some of these look really really young. so sad. :(
And posting their pictures on this blog helps because...?
It brings fruition to the subject as well as dismantles the mystic notion that most if not all female transitioners are Butch.dirt
i think it's good in a way to show how many new ones can be found weekly so easily
Why is it all the people you speak about that are transitioning are female-to-male? Why don't you also include male-to-females? Or are FTMs the only "confused" ones? Is it your right to speak on transmen because you're a butch female? Not all transmen begin life as butch females. Some of the transmen you have linked in your blog have been feminine transmen. Even you have said being butch doesn't make you trans. So why is it you assume all transmen are were once butch women? Just curious about all of this.
posting pics helps because pictures speak louder than words. these pics show how young and how often this is occuring. were not addressing MTF's because um, were women and this is a blog for and about women. durrrrrit's true that not all transmen start as butch girls- but open your eyes, most clearly do.
"So why is it you assume all transmen are were once butch women? Just curious about all of this."JESUS. Did you not just read what Dirt said ONE INCH above you????Reading comprehension- fail.Seriously, WTF.
I worry that posting these pictures is going to feed the persecution complexes of those involved.
Anon@2:27,Exactly. Cant exactly deny its a trend. And Keep in my I'm only posting 9, not all of them.dirt
@Anon March 18, 2011 3:48 PM"Long live transmen, we need these people as much as butch lesbians and any individual outside mainstream identity."Unfortunately, it is the MtFs desire to conform to mainstream indentity that is the issue. The fact that transitioning fails to bring them into the mainstream does not make them subversive to the mainstream."These transmen were female born, celebrate them on their journey and their choice to embrace masculinity in their own unique way, like we choose ours as butch women."By speaking of "masculinity" and by implication "feminity" you lay the groundwork for designating certain human traits as belonging only men and others belonging only to women.This ground work is the foundation that sexism is built on and in turn sexism fuels the self hatred that alienates transitioners from their own bodies, prompting them to think that the only way to "embrance their masculinity" is by changing their bodies to present as male.In contrast butches express those traits deemed as masculine without the need to present as male because they understand on some level that the designation of those traits as "masculine" is arbitrary and not tied to a specific gender.
what are we supposed to do? Beat the shit out of these transmen? I know you're trying to "spread" the word but they are gonna do what they're gonna do no matter what you do. Obviously talking to them before their transition may get some to not do so because they were never trans in the first place. But no matter what you tell a real transman, they are gonna do what they decide to do no matter what, their families reject them but they still decide to go through with T and surgery. The only thing you're doing is making people more aware of these people and giving confused lesbians the sources of the trans community which is the opposite of what you're trying to do. A lot of girls I've talked to have seen your blogs and while you say being trans is bad or whatever, these girls found out about transgender issues in here and are now convinced this is right for them. Are these "transmen" hurting you? if not then there is no reason for you to bash them. I've known a few who have commited suicide from all the negativity like yours.
Butch women see themselves as women correct? transmen may be female bodied but it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation, it's how they see themselves. They see themselves as male. Will you continue to discriminate on something you havent gone through? Just because you're a butch does not mean everyone is.
Butch females with work can see themselves as women. Without that very critical work, the othering that occurs in early developmental stages remains through out their lives.dirt
"Butch females with work can see themselves as women." I know your expertise/experience is butch women but you've raised the point about not all ftm being former butch lesbians. Is the reparative process different for females who aren't butch?
Dismantling the misogyny that creates female self hatred, then go forward with that self understanding and discovery. dirt
I actually happen to be one of those people pictured. I was never a butch lesbian, nor do I really find girls sexually attractive. I think that transitioning is what is best for me. I do not hate females, but being one causes me massive depression and just. isn't. ME. All I want is to be who I picture myself as, and be happy. Anywhosen, that is how I feel about this, take it how you will.
but you will always really be one (a woman)well you'll be some type of hermaphrodite reallyhow do you know what being a man is?
no not a hermaphrodite, a neuter
I disagree with the word neuter(such an...ugly and unnecessary word), however i agree with the fact that I will always be biologically female. However, that does not change how I feel. I will aim to live my life how i want, and the billions of other people in this world can live theirs just how they like it. To each, their own.
I agree neuter implies something missing that was once there. FtMs are fully functional females, they have pussys, therefore nothing is missing.dirt
Well, while I will agree that all of my genitalia and my breasts are female, I identify as a male. Now, I understand that you think that most, if not all ftm transgenders are butch lesbians or such. I would not want to have sex with a female, and the thought of having 'straight' sex with a male is repulsive to me. So I'm safely not a lesbian. I am just wondering, why did you feel the need to put my image up on your blog and say that transmen contribute to misogyny, when I have no hate against women, and I may not like having a female body when I identify as a male, but I certainly do not hate my body as a whole. This is not meant as an accusation, so i hope you do not take it as one.
Rayne your question/s have been asked over and over again, in all honesty your wasting your time.Dirt thinks she is telling the truth which is right for her perception, but may not be for yoursshe thinks she is stopping transition but really she is enforcing it, im seeing more and more people being introduced to transition via dirts blog and they are thinking its right for them and transitioning, if anything we should look at it as bringing our issues we face daily forward, im sure there are studies being conducted on this blog and the number of people who being transition due to exposure to this blog.she says females need to love and nurture and break down misogony but where is the info in helping people?
"It brings fruition to the subject as well as dismantles the mystic notion that most if not all female transitioners are Butch.dirt"looking at you some people would assume you are trans and label you that way. Why are you labelling these kids, when you wouldnt want to be labelled yourself. You are self imposing your identity on other people. "were not addressing MTF's because um, were women and this is a blog for and about women. durrrrrit's true that not all transmen start as butch girls- but open your eyes, most clearly do."The last time i checked FTMs were neither male or female to the blogger here, after they transition, wouldnt it make sense if the focus would be on "real" female issues, instead on focusing on these non female "species"
@Rayne,I'm sorry, but I don't think most people understand where you're coming from. I have a (nonButch) lesbain friend who also transitioned and now thinks she's a gay man. She was really good-looking (I don't mean like a barbie) and could have gotten any "straight" man for any kind of activities,etc. in the bedroom. I honestly thought she was too embarrassed to admit she found some men attractive after having been a Lesbian for years.She also said how she only wanted to have "gay sex" with gay men, etc. and be seen as male by them. In the end she transitioned, and looks like a strange little man, never goes out,etc. When I look in her eyes, I see a different person, a stranger. She never had that "gay sex" either.
Anon@1:51 -I really enjoy reading this Blog, because it's the only one I know of where people can look critically at the trangender question.I've also seen the transgender community trying to do everything they can to get it off-line. Occassionally they send their "brains" over and we're treated with long, convoluted gender theory BS. You refer to ftm's as a different "species." In my eyes, they are labile women with mental issues. We're all Homo sapiens, like it or not.
The number of young women doing this astounds me.
I agree that this blog is not bad for trans men. At first I was horrified that people can honestly think they understand another persons reasons for doing things, but now I see this blog as a great source of information. Through links I've found some great friends and surgery options.
"Rayne said...Well, while I will agree that all of my genitalia and my breasts are female, I identify as a male. Now, I understand that you think that most, if not all ftm transgenders are butch lesbians or such."Where did you see this said? Because I've seen Dirt say the opposite, over and over and over. Which leads me to believe you've not only never read anything on the blog you are critiquing, but are projecting your own fantasized arguments onto it.
re : neuterwhat about if an ftm has a hysterectomy thus removing reproductive capabilitydoesn't that make one a neuter?like what we do to our dogsspayed
Rayne...you say you have sexual feelings for men, but that straight sex disgusts you. It's no wonder. I'm a heterosexual woman and what passes as straight "sex" in patriarchy disgusts me too. The obsession with penetration, and men being dominant, and the shaming of female bodies and desires, and so on. I used to admire male/male relationship, for the equality. A real intimate sexual relationship, being seen as an equal person - that was what I wished for. I thought I might be a gay man inside because I didn't accept the submissive girly female role. But the female role is not the truth of what women are. We are just people with a certain type of body - who happen to be opresssed and unvalued in this patriarchal society. I'm getting the feeling that many ftm's just want to escape this opression, and gain more freedom via the male role.
Why does it seem so hard for you to let people make their own choices and not ridicule them for it? It's not an easy decision to transition, and it's not one to be taken lightly. I've read posts of yours, and it feels to me like you dislike transmen for making one of the hardest decisions of their lives. Why not support people in their choices as you would want them to support you in your own? As for the whole 'it's misogynist and conforming to the patricarhy, etc' arguement, I've honestly seen more misogyny come from the lesbian community than the trans community. The folks I know don't hate their bodies, they don't hate women, and they don't perpetuate any stereotype of man/woman. I do agree with Anonymous @2:33, it's good to have information from all sides of the argument. But shaming people for making such a tough decision or even contemplating it - that saddens me.
"Why does it seem so hard for you to let people make their own choices and not ridicule them for it? It's not an easy decision to transition, and it's not one to be taken lightly. I've read posts of yours, and it feels to me like you dislike transmen for making one of the hardest decisions of their lives. Why not support people in their choices as you would want them to support you in your own?"People can make their own choices no one is stopping them. However, people should not have the expectation that all of their choices will be validated by everyone all of the time.Also, their is a difference between "support" and blindly accepting anything a person does.I have friends who are supportive, but, if I make a bad choice or do something destructive to myself or others, I expect to be called out on that by my friends. One facet of providing support is being truthful.Just speaking for myself, I don't dislike transmen, but I don't agree with their choices. That is not akin to invalidating their personhood or wishing violence on them.
Canadian, i think that many people get from Dirts blog is her "invalidating their personhood"im unsure of her wish's but i dont think she may intentionally do it but she is pushing violence onto these people whos faces she posts on here i know of a number of them who have since experienced some sort of violence because their faces have been seen on here, many people didnt know about youtube communities until poeple saw/see this blog unfortuantly these are real peoples lives involved, and at that childrens lives (i say children as they for the most part are under the age of 18yrs and many have been under 16yrs), this is or can be damaging for the rest of their lives, job futures, all the above, just makes me sad that dirt feels she isnt destrying these peoples lives... sure they put a vid on youtube but they can pull it down Dirt refuses to remove a picture when asked
Why isn't anybody in the "trans" community warning these extremely niave girls/young women about putting so much personal info out in the internet? By the way, this isn't a hate blog, and you might want to look at what's really out there as far as hate groups, etc. go.
These female victims help justify their own doubts and delusions, thats why.dirt
Anon 11:48 - people do warn these children. In the trans community, especially in trans support groups if you dare to question what people are doing you get shunned. Been there, done that, smelled the BS.
Your lack of understanding sickens me. Being trans isn't just about "being uncomfortable in your own body." If it was, a lot of overweight bullied girls would be trans, and so would underweight anorexic girls, and just about every girl with Body Dismorphic Disorder.In fact, on every autopsy of a Female to Male transsexual, it has been shown that they all had Male brains! Furthermore, in every Male to Female transsexual autopsied, they've had Female brains!This mixup between brain and body happens during gestation due to a hormone wash. The timing of this wash determines whether your brain becomes male or stays female (everyone starts out female brained.) Sometimes, this wash's timing is off, and suddenly a female body gets a male brain, or a male body keeps the female brain.This is the heart of what causes transsexuals. Meaning, the real disorder to this disorder is the mismatch between brain and body. And, we can see further that the brain (not nurture) ultimately determines the sex one feels thanks to Anne Fausto-Sterling in her Sexing the Body, where she explores a boy who, after a circumcision gone wrong, looses his penis and is raised as a girl. Ultimately, he transitions back to being a man. She lists several other such examples of this attempt for nurture to override nature, all of which fail.Rather than trying to make young men and women in the wrong body suppress their true selves and live with self hate, why not try understanding what they're going through and helping them become the people they need to be for themselves to be happy.
Deana your man-brain, woman-brain pseudoscience fetishistic fantasy mansplanation sickens me. There is no thought, emotion or human characteristic that is biologically hard wired, much less according to sex.
"pseudoscience fetishistic fantasy mansplanation"Haha, you sound dumber than i bet you look.
Anon @ 7:56FAIL. Ever read any Noam Chomsky?
@7:56Well, there is a biological basis for a lot of factors in personality, as evidenced by twin studies with the Big Five factors of personality (extraversion, neuroticism, openness to experience, conscientiousness, agreeableness). While they aren't hardwired, precisely, and nurture does play an effect, many aspects of humans present themselves through a combination of biology and environment (since environment influences how traits are expressed). These factors also have a neurological basis (the reticular formation in the case of extraversion, for example). To ignore that such things are possible is ignorant, given overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Brains are physical organs, and as such, yes, they are influenced by biology.
there is no f'ing way ALL these young kids were 'born in the wrong body' (a ridiculous phrase)how many autopsies have been done on dead ftm's?i mean the numbers are obviously just starting to grow astronomicallydid something happen in the world's environment 15-25 or so years ago to cause so many oopsies in the fetal 'hormone wash?'
@ Anon "there is no f'ing way ALL these young kids were 'born in the wrong body' (a ridiculous phrase)how many autopsies have been done on dead ftm's?i mean the numbers are obviously just starting to grow astronomicallydid something happen in the world's environment 15-25 or so years ago to cause so many oopsies in the fetal 'hormone wash?'March 20, 2011 5:39 AM"Yes we started chemically engerneering much of our foods, growing food products with synthetic hormones for faster production, we had mass out breaks of diease cause by man and then created "fixes" for these without considering other issues.... MANY of the young people you see on youtube will phase out as they age they will find identities many are children still exploring life, also with the mass amounts of media we have there is no wonder there is so much confusion, we as an idividual have no control many people are searching for a place in their life they can control as such u get drug abuse, self harm, anorexia so on... we also have mental health issues in the world so really in the las 15-25 years a lot has fucking changed and it will, there will always be a dirt even when my generation dies of it might just be a different topic...i might go find some socialists blogs least they fight for a real issue, this one is just lame and getting boring....Dirt until u show me how to LOVE MY BODY then all u talk is just shit, see u next 'trans trending' post!
to deanna:...and just about every girl with Body Dismorphic Disorder.i suspect some young women with BDD turn to transition as a quick solve. i've seen plenty of young transmen with anorexia.In fact, on every autopsy of a Female to Male transsexual, it has been shown that they all had Male brains! Furthermore, in every Male to Female transsexual autopsied, they've had Female brains! OMG@@#@1!! EVERY AUTOPSY of an FTM THAT'S EVERY BEEN DONE! THEY HAVE BRAINS THAT ARE STAMPED WITH THE WORD "MALE". FURTHERMORE...!!!1! c'mon deanna, you may as well be saying that because i have black skin, my blood is a different color to a white sister's. you are talking BS!
@ lesbianThere are differences between the brain of a males and females. There has also been studies on the brains of transgender people of both ftm and mtf. I thought it was interesting what Deanna said too, so I looked it up. Maybe you should try that also before you criticize someone.
@anon March 20, 2011 1:33 PMDid you happen to take a close look at those studies?The sample size for most are less then 10. The white matter study in particular is contradictory.
their brains before or after years of T...
Deanna said... Your lack of understanding sickens me. Being trans isn't just about "being uncomfortable in your own body." If it was, a lot of overweight bullied girls would be trans, and so would underweight anorexic girls, and just about every girl with Body Dismorphic Disorder. In fact, on every autopsy of a Female to Male transsexual, it has been shown that they all had Male brains! Furthermore, in every Male to Female transsexual autopsied, they've had Female brains! This mixup between brain and body happens during gestation due to a hormone wash. The timing of this wash determines whether your brain becomes male or stays female (everyone starts out female brained.) Sometimes, this wash's timing is off, and suddenly a female body gets a male brain, or a male body keeps the female brain. This is the heart of what causes transsexuals. Meaning, the real disorder to this disorder is the mismatch between brain and body. And, we can see further that the brain (not nurture) ultimately determines the sex one feels thanks to Anne Fausto-Sterling in her Sexing the Body, where she explores a boy who, after a circumcision gone wrong, looses his penis and is raised as a girl. Ultimately, he transitions back to being a man. She lists several other such examples of this attempt for nurture to override nature, all of which fail. Rather than trying to make young men and women in the wrong body suppress their true selves and live with self hate, why not try understanding what they're going through and helping them become the people they need to be for themselves to be happy. March 19, 2011 7:36 PMI totally agree with you because it is the truth!
lol good one, lesbian@8:57. Deanna is an idiot.
The complaints about these studies is that they have small sample sizes, but just becaues they have small samples doesn't mean the results confirms the opposite viewpoint. They are just weaker support for the hypothesis they put forward. Besides, if there is a lot of convergent evidence, that's just as good as a single study with a huge sample size.I don't know much about the neurological data supporting trans, but I do know how science works. Some of the 'refutations' of these studies are non-refutations. They provide reasons to doubt the results, but they provide no reason to outright reject them. I would just like to know if there are any convergent studies in the area.(And yes, there are neurological differences between male brains and female brains. That's a no-brainer. Hoo hoo hoo!)
There is no such thing as brain sex, or kidney sex, or gall-bladder sex.http://www.annelawrence.com/brain-sex_critique.html
Dirt, I'm confused about your message: Are you saying trans is only acceptable for NON-butch women? Or trans is unacceptable, period?
Barbie- the only reason you're "confused" is that you haven't bothered to read the blog. Try reading some of the articles before demanding the woman writing them provides you with a synopsis. -Skipper
@Nat"The complaints about these studies is that they have small sample sizes, but just becaues they have small samples doesn't mean the results confirms the opposite viewpoint. They are just weaker support for the hypothesis they put forward. Besides, if there is a lot of convergent evidence, that's just as good as a single study with a huge sample size."Small sample sizes indicate a need for more studies with larger samples sizes. I never maintained that a small sample size was confirmation of the opposite view point, but a study with such a small sample size really cannot be cited as proof and be final word on the issue. Trans adovocates cite the same 4 to 6 studies which in turn cite each other. Further, one study cited here had results which overlapped the control group and had a high standard deviation(another red flag pointing to the need for a higher sample size).A couple of real world examples of flawed science based on low sample sizes:1)The now famous study of 12 children used to link autism to vaccines and later discredited.2)The question of whether caffiene is harmful or benificial.
@Anon March 20, 2011 1:53 PMPretty interesting synopsis of Anne Fausto-Sterling's work that you chose not to cite. Note the acknowledgement of the interplay between enviroment and biology.If this blog serves any purpose it allows a place for a more honest disussioin of a topic that the trans community tries to depict as being beyond debate."Compared to other primates, humans take far longer to reach maturity. One can argue that the evolutionary benefit derived from remaining so long in such a vulnerable state comes from the increased opportunity for environment (cultural and physiological) to shape our behavior. Understanding this sort of dynamic system requires both a change of view and extensive research collaboration across disciplinary boundaries. Sexing the Body promotes the dialogue required to move in this direction. Fausto-Sterling claims to "have written two books in one: a narrative accessible to a general audience and a scholarly work intended to advance discussion and arguments within academic circles" (p. ix). She has succeeded on both counts."http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_1_38/ai_75820044/pg_4/?tag=content;col1
fuck you bitch
Females have totally different brains than males. Except when they don't.
The ultimate cult phrase: Females and males have different brains.Spoken as a droning mantra by people who don't have any kind of objective, rational, and professional grounding in medical science. Eh, whatever, the cult told you to say, so what if it's nonsense words.You're zombies, folks, wind-up toys droning what the cult is telling you to drone. You have no understanding of what you're saying, you're just repeating something that sounds like it has meaning.You have no idea, because medical science has no idea, whether female and male brains ARE actually different in any substantial way AND whether the differences have any affect whatsoever on our lives. Yes, real live researchers don't know. So, guess what, that means your mantra is complete and utter cult speak bullshit.
What do people think of the theory that GID is hardwired in some cases? Nothing as crude as the brain of one sex in the body of the other - but something dysfunctional happening within the brain?
I think the most obvious reason why females bodied transition is because they want to see a male body when they look at their bathroom mirror in the morning.So I don't understand why FTM are keen to develop all those non-fact based bullshit about female/male brains differences instead of just writing: "ok Dirt, I have transitioned because I wanted to look like a male"...Is there any reason why you are not comfortable with this simple and quite understandable explanation?Is it the effect of the queer bullshit, scholars put in the LGBTQI community brains to search for elitist intellectual explanations instead of going for the most simple one?
The "simple" question that the trans community doesnt want to answer is what informed that desire?We're all still waiting anon.dirt
@Dirt, well because they don't feel comfortable in a female body for what it implies of constrains in our society and so they don't want to fight/struggle to create a different female image (clothes, look, job position, attitude, political role, social positioning, sexual orientation, same sex mariage...) that the misogynist society in which we live in allocates to women (ana women, used as fantasy for straight males)...They just think "malehood=a certain number of privileges in our society". Privileges being: being able to date women without being seen as a freak but a normal straight couple, being able to get married, having a better salary, being able to have male jobs or hobbies (without being questioned every 5 min for that), being able to wear males/sportwear clothes... and they prefer to mutilate their body instead of struggle to be accepted as they are: butch women....Just as simple as that!In a sense, they prefer to wear a valued male social role (the young sexy dude) than a very bottom female social role (the butch everybody point his fingers at). Even if this role lasts only a few months of years depending of the T impacts on their body.Look at this previously young dyke (photo prior to T or surgery): http://irc-galleria.net/user/SirMichael/album/161047-a-sairausand look at her after the surgery/T:http://www.flickr.com/photos/sirmichaelfinland/Apparently she is happier with a badly mutilated body than being a butch/dyke...
Anon 10:04 "for what it implies of constrains in our society and so they don't want to fight/struggle to create a different female"How can FTM be good feminists then?
Lesbian feministsscum of the earthshould be gassed
I love how almost all of you have called the men, including myself, in these pictures children under the age of 18. While I don't know the ages of all of them, I know that I, myself, am 21. Please stop telling me that I'm a child and have no idea what I'm doing. I'm well aware, and HRT is going swimmingly. Thanks. :)
uhm who the FUCK do you think you are to be posting pictures of someone else's business or lifestyle on your blog my friend is one of those pictures do you SERIOUSLY have NOTHING better to do then bash on someone else's lifestyle???? they are in no way affecting your life so stay the fuck out of it and no its not sad and anyone should know its not a choice either the same as being gay or being born with a specific skin color so why dont u shut your disgusting mouth and keep out of it kthnx
I dont know how people that run sites like this can live with themselves? Its disgusting to me that you take time out of your day to bash people who are going through something you would know absolutely nothing about. I think the only one with a problem here, is you. I hope you feel good when some trans finaly gets upset enough about your posting and offs themself. Go find a fucking hobby and quit posting your nonsence as if youre god-all-mighty and know what you're talking about. because you dont, and you're probably just some loser freak of nature who finds sexual pleasure in hurting others feelings.
First anon, I "bash" no one, that you comprehend this blog as bashing only illustrates your own internalized misogyny. Second, if you do not like this blog's content, then do not read it. The world doesnt revolve around you, an entire blog is going to cease because you cant handle what YOU CHOOSE to read.dirt
LOL you posting pictures up of these people, saying that its "only a trend" is bashing there decisions. like i said, you posting this blog when you're rather misinformed is ridiculous. And you acting like youre so informed of what you think is a trend, doesnt make up for what you will never understand. like i said, go make some friends, find yourself something to do that doesnt involve posting your pointless blog that is doing nothing for you. are you enjoying getting replies from nobody other than dykes, and trans people? youre just watering a plant that you want to be disposed of.
I understand what informs transition as well as the backlash against feminism that informs the trend.dirt
You people are fucking crazy. I'm really good friends with one of the people you decided to make apart of your poster thing. They don't have anything wrong with them, not at all. I love him for the way HE is. I've known him almost all my life. You're trying to stop a "disease" well maybe the only disease around here is about people being different. NOT EVEN DIFFERENT. All of them are the same as you and I. Another thing, don't you think it's kind of wrong to just be putting their pictures on your shit? People can get seriously hurt that way. The last and final thing I have to say, is that the one that I know, used to be girly, really girly, not butch. I'm a lesbian a really big butch lesbian. It's their life, let them live it, you live yours without being pointed out everyday. Maybe I'll create a blog about douche bags who have their head up their ass.