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Wednesday, January 13, 2016

Radical Feminism-An Open Harbour to an UNSAFE Haven

I've debated with myself for a while now as to whether or not to write this post and after much self debate and many lengthy discussions on the subject with my wife, I've come to the conclusion that this post will save much time when certain internet topics/arguments arise and clear away any friends, followers or supporters of Dirt, the work Dirt does and lesbianism.

Radical Feminism and its motley crew of acolytes (RadFems) is a severed branch of 70's Feminism (Women's Lib). RadFems of the 70's (think Dworkin/Firestone) were excised for their seeming hatred of men, lesbianism and separatism, not necessarily in that order and not necessarily subscribing to any of the three, but there you have it none the less. I have written intermittently on Radical Feminism then and now, due to both the movement's heinous hatred of Butch/Femme lesbians and the shared writing (VERY differently and for VERY different reasons) around transgenderism. That and more, MUCH more is what's lead to this once-and-for-all RadFem post.

Lets get this out straight away, I AM NOT A RADFEM NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN A RADFEM! (I suddenly feel like Bill Clinton sans the blue dress) By the very nature (Butch lesbian) of my being, it would be impossible for me to do so. RadFem politics are HIGHLY critical of Butch/Femme lesbians, even the belief that we actually exist. I assure you, this isnt a computer writing this post, but me-Dirt-a living, breathing, thinking, feeling, loving Butch lesbian. RadFems despise Butch/Femme because they claim we're mimicking heterosexual relationships. Yes, trust me, I know as that question just entered your mind. How can a relationship between two LESBIAN women, be at all similar to a MAN and a woman? Apparently if one of us wears pants more than the other or one of us is the primary domestic goddess (in truth I call myself the domestic godless), we're Butch/Femme and we're a stain on women/feminism everywhere.

Now like Then, Radical Feminism is of the opinion and practice that the more equals the merrier. Now like Then, Radical Feminism boasts a large growing lesbian constituency. A Radfem refrain is ANY WOMAN CAN BE A LESBIAN! And while there certainly were and are RadFem lesbians, they are the minority, the majority being straight women invited to lesbian, as if lesbian was a destination that one could merely go to by casting off men. That said:

CHOOSING TO NOT DATE/FUCK MALES (FOR A TIME) DOES NOT MAKE YOU A LESBIAN.

CHOOSING TO DATE LESBIANS DOES NOT MAKE YOU A LESBIAN.

CHOOSING TO NOT DATE MEN DOES NOT REMOVE YOUR ATTRACTION TO MEN.

CHOOSING TO DATE LESBIANS DOES NOT REMOVE YOUR ATTRACTION TO MEN.

CHOOSING TO LET A LESBIAN LICK YOUR PUSSY DOES NOT MAKE YOU A LESBIAN.

PRETENDING A LESBIAN IS KINDA LIKE A GUY SO YOU CAN FEEL LESS DISGUSTED DOES NOT MAKE YOU A LESBIAN.

HATING MEN/DICK BECAUSE THEY/IT HURT YOU DOES NOT MAKE YOU A LESBIAN.

ESCHEWING MEN AND PARTNERING WITH WOMEN FOR POLITICAL REASONS DOES NOT MAKE YOU A LESBIAN.

PRETENDING YOU'RE A LESBIAN ONLINE FOR ANY REASON DOES NOT MAKE YOU A LESBIAN.

LESBIAN ISNT A PARTY YOU CAN SIMPLY JOIN!

THE ONLY POLITICAL LESBIANS ARE LESBIANS WHO VOTE!


Because Radical Feminism has an open door/arms/legs policy, it naturally attracts women who view RadFem like a different person might view Jesus, with Radical Feminism being a kind of a saveHER. This is why Then Radical Feminism attracted the likes of Andrea mylifeisamess Dworkin or Shulamith offthedeepend Firestone and NOW why it attracts any straight woman on social media sites who've been hurt by men and cannot (in some capacity) function.

So using Radical Feminism what did RadFems Then do to secure/improve the rights and welfare of women past? Little. And what are RadFems Now doing to harvest better/equal conditions for women? Less than little. Now RadFems are too busy:

Useless/Needless Arguing among themselves.

Tweeting and ReTweeting.

Sabotaging other women and each other.

Setting up other women for failure if they seem to garner any attention for their feminist contributions.

Undermining the legitimacy of lesbianism by claiming any woman can be a lesbian.

Treating feminism as if its a support group whereby asking an honest question is met with distrust/suspicion/dismissal and even aggression.

Using "victim blaming" as readily as Trans Politics use "transphobia" to silence discussion, end discussion or paint those who start unwanted discussion as bullies/trolls/MRAs/Woman Haters or friends thereof etc.

Using a multitude of user IDs to attack other women, then stirring other women into a frenzy attack mode by using this faux strength-in-numbers which has a dramafied snowball effect.

Sucking the dicks of the dickless, ie RadFem lesbians straight women oohing/ahhing any trans male who seems to criticize trans politics all the while he calls himself she/her. Think the nerd dude in junior high ready with a shoulder anytime a girl was dumped giving him spank material for later on.

Tweeting/Retweeting/Sharing at the top of their lungs TRANSWOMEN/TRANS WOMEN/MTF/MTT ARE NOT WOMEN! Meanwhile trans males are home jacking off because RadFems in part either believe a guy in a dress is a woman or are too afraid to say a guy in a dress isnt a woman or are again too invested in pleasing men in dresses to gain male approval! Anyways you slice it (even if its sliced off) trans males being identified by women as a form of woman is hella spank material!

Taking a drugstore supply of bipolar meds/ADHD meds/depression meds/sleep meds/awake meds/anxiety meds-all supplied by the same mental health assholes transitioning gays and lesbians as young as TWO!

Falling apart at any slight, perceived or real.

Adding sister to their names while simultaneously missing the most basic tenants of feminism.

Getting angry over trivialities rather than being able to take a joke.

Searching throughout the net for anyone/s they can gaslight giving them ammo to take back to their sisters as proof they were attacked/bullied/sullied etc.

Making mountains out of molehills for the sole purpose of attention.

Attention seeking.

Not practicing what they preach.

I could go on but wont.

Radical Feminism was/is a decayed branch of Feminism attracting only the most desperate and often damaged women searching for something, anything to fix their broken lives. But broken women dont a revolution make anymore than a lesbian is made with parts of a broken woman straight. Wounded women wanting feminism because they've been hurt by men, doesnt make them the best candidates to distribute feminism and there are 40 years of RadFem diatribes out there as proof.

While I can and do feel sorry for women hurt by men, women trying to change patterns they held with men. But when those changes come at the expense of feminism, the expense of language compromising feminism and particularly at the expense of lesbians, I draw a very clear and distinct line. Being hurt by men/male structures entitles RadFems to nothing, because all women are hurt in the very exact same ways. No woman on this planet is exempt from the harm males commit with every breath they/we take and all the breaths before us and lord knows how many breaths after us. And no women who puts males/male systems before women or hand holds men in any capacity, radical or otherwise is a Feminist/friend of or lover of women.

Radical Feminism is a 40 year old open wound attracting and breeding nothing but dis/ease. And dis/ease has only ever killed, it has never cured.

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  1. they are an embarrassment and a hindrance to lesbians being able to address lesbian oppression. they repel lesbians away from basic feminism and push them toward the queer community. they fawn all over "gender critical" males while pretending to be manhaters.

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    1. What is "basic feminism" nowadays?

      I have found radical feminism to be the only space where one can be critical of gender nowadays. "Mainstream" feminism, so to speak, is all transactivism and "female penis" and nonsense.

      "And what are RadFems Now doing to harvest better/equal conditions for women?"

      What are any other feminists doing to achieve that goal? Or, like, people in general. Who is doing activism better than radical feminists?

      I want to do feminism right, but if you tell me that radfems are doing it wrong, you'll have to present me with an alternative.

      If you tell me that only lesbians can get it right, then at least I can go home and read a book instead of trying to achieve anything.

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    2. Whining on social media achieves zip. Gas lighting random men then subtweeting achieves zip. It reeks of disorder. Radfems brought gender/transgender INTO the LGB, they certainly arent going to do anything to remove it now.

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  2. Wow. Always fascinates me how much more angry some women can get at other women than at patriarchy, which deforms EVERYONE. After 45yrs as a Kinsey 6 lesbian, I guess I needed you to tell me I'm really a closet het. My partner (now spouse) of 40yrs is going to be so surprised.

    I began to call myself a RadFem in 1970, when I was 19. Radical feminism was one of the best things ever to happen me in my life. Unless you were were a working-class Southern woman trying to find her way against the blatant misogyny of 1970, STFU. You don't have a clue what RadFems did. RadFems purpose in women's movements is to push them to the Left. Otherwise all you get is LIBERAL feminism. That's where all the straight women were in the 1970s; I think it is really liberal feminists you are so very, very pissed-off at.

    Radical feminists CREATED the AUTONOMOUS women's liberation movement of the 2nd Wave!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good grief, stop believing all the crap woman-haters have told you about RadFems and learn some real history. "Daring to be Bad" by Alice Echols is a good place to start. Then try "Sisterhood is Powerful" ed. Robin Morgan. The early journals "No More Fun and Games" and "Lesbian Tide" are also great, if you can find them.

    RadFems are far from perfect people. We have lived our whole lives in the capitalist-patriarchal cesspool neoliberalism calls "culture." We do tend to like androgyny, but that doesn't mean we reject butches, ffs. Sexuality is as much a social construction as all the rest of our identities. We're all doing the best we can. Try to grow some compassion for other struggling women maybe?

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    1. Reading rather than reacting is precisely why this post was written. Thanks for the validation.

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    2. "Kinsey 6 lesbian", huh? So, does that mean your sole sexual attraction is to women (versus sexual behavior) -- those are 2 very different measurements.

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    3. I have also witnessed this behavior on social media. So unproductive. And sad.

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  3. Dirt, do you realize that an evil "radical feminist" has been posting on your blog for approximately 3 years, and has posted about 100 posts over the course of several years? Seriously, most of the posts on this blog are from a woman who has "radical feminists" views on certain subjects. For example, the posts from "DSM-5 Gender Dysphoria-The House of Homosexual Horrors" were all from a radical feminist except for a few posts. The article on Dorothea Dix garnered one post, and it came from a "radical feminist". Since the majority of the posts weren't deleted, I have to assume that you agree with certain things that a "radical feminist" has posted.

    Are you saying that women who partially agree with "radical feminist" principles aren't allowed to post on this blog?

    At any rate, good luck to you. I will not post here again if it makes you happy. I really wish you all the best in whatever you do. Stay strong and persevere. The world needs more butch lesbians because we are being "transitioned" at an alarming rate.

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  4. Where did Dirt say anybody isn't welcome to comment on her blog? I didn't see that in her post.

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  5. Butch/Femme is just more gender.

    Sounds like Dirt just doesn't like other butch-gendered women transitioning because she has fewer Butches to be butch-y with I guess. It's like male-ish bonding for gender binary lesbians.

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    1. Male is meaningless to us.

      and your constructs cant find us.

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  6. Butch/Femme is just another gender binary.


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  7. Rad feminist and butch here. Not conflicted at all.

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    1. Because you don't know any better.

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  8. Lots of people have incorrect and uninformed and just plain ignorant opinions about Butch/Femme. Like some of the commenters above.

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  9. The level of ignorance about Butch/Femme is staggering. Yet lack of even basic knowledge doesn't stop some people from spewing their unwanted, ridiculous assumptions and idiotic opinions. Thanks to Dirt for trying to help people understand. It's too bad some people would rather assume than learn.

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    1. Ignorance is bliss, or in the case of Radical Feminism, rule of thumb.

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    2. As a femme who has recently (a year or so) been learning and joining radical feminist FB groups, it is discouraging that Butch/Femme is looked at so contemptuously. Is there any way to explain (or resource?) it to them so that there is a better understanding or is it futile?

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  10. Dirt: who died and made you lesbian king?

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    1. Gender Straight Jacket much? That would be Queen were I to follow YOUR logic.

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  11. Where are you getting this information? Your assertions are contrary to my understanding of radical feminism. You seem really personally upset about something here.

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  12. I'm also confused. I'm 20 yrs old, I found Dirt's blog first and stayed here for the longest time, and I've agreed with practically everything. I've since been to some radfem blogs/sites and they seemed to roughly agree too, they were gender critical for sure and rejected the "queer" distinction at least, which on the other hand libfems supported.

    However, I did see a couple of posts on radfems sites vouching for "separatism" and the idea that "women are being prevented from loving other women, let's get away from men so we can all be lesbians." Um, no lol. That's not how it works.
    I have also seen some saying that "femmes" are lying that they like how they express themselves and that if men didn't exist there would be no more femmes, which I also don't really buy. I mean, it's hard to tell when we're all brought up wearing skirts to school and stuff to tell what's forced and what isn't, but if you're uncomfortable with that as an adult you don't have to keep doing it. I really believe that some people like it. Of course, as someone who prefers typically masculine wear, I can only assume that people have different tastes and that they're not all like me.

    In any case, I think if the views are roughly similar enough and if it helps people find peace with themselves (i.e. learning to seek an internal cure of learning to accept their bodies rather than an external cure of surgeries, hormones, etc.; and thus allowing them to better the world for the future generations), then even with slight differences/labels/terms or whatever one calls it, can we find a common ground? Internal fighting often leads to downfall. There's already not enough of us compared to the majority that buy into the gender shit.

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    1. I'm a lesbian femme and I do see Dirt's point about radical feminism not understanding (or wanting to) or accepting butch/femme lesbian history (and, according to my partner, never have) and looking at me askance for identifying as such. I am offensive to a lot of them, as, apparently, I'm not bright enough to consciously understand the social forces that have engaged my outward presentation. However, my desire for butches certainly is real and, I too, am upset my hundreds and thousands of lesbians transitioning to appear male. As for the rest, I don't really 'get' some of the things she is saying. I do consider myself a radical feminist but I can understand some of Dirt's points here; others are less clear. --M.

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  13. I too "debated with myself" about whether or not to post a comment on your article. I don't really fear being cast as "the nerd dude in junior high ready with a shoulder", about whose motives you and the radical feminists and I are in agreement; but it might legitimately be said that, because of my sex, I have "no horse in this race".

    Nevertheless, I will venture into no-man's land, prepared to draw fire from both sides.

    You describe radical feminism as "a severed branch of 70's Feminism (Women's Lib)" who did "little ... to secure/improve the rights and welfare of women past". You make your view of Andrea Dworkin and Shulamith Firestone clear, but what is the catchment area of your net of condemnation? I can easily imagine that it encompasses Sheila Jeffreys and perhaps Janice Raymond. But does it extend to Monique Wittig, Rita Mae Brown, Robin Morgan, Mary Daly, the N.Y. Redstockings, Kate Millet and [as mistress of ceremonies I am obliged to remind non-feminists that we genuflect at this point] Germaine Greer?

    If those women represent the "severed" or as you later describe it "decayed" branch of feminism, then what is the main trunk from which it was cut? Betty Friedan and her NOW? Puh-leeze!
    If women who may not be among those you condemn but who themselves identified as Radical Feminists had not been strong in the 1970s and 80s then Friedan's view that the involvement of lesbians in the Women's Movement was "damaging" and "unhelpful" might well have prevailed.

    Does "claiming any woman can be a lesbian" really "undermine[...] the legitimacy of lesbianism", or does it rather, as it was clearly intended to do, challenge the hegemony of heterosexuality? I know gay men in the 70s envied it as a slogan, when the best we could come up with was "All men have homosexual tendencies: why persecute yourself?" Radical feminism doesn't ask "Why are some women gay?" but rather "Why are most women straight?"

    You seem to castigate "Wounded women wanting feminism because they've been hurt by men", but if we hadn't all been hurt by men, either individually or as a class, what on earth would be the point of or need for feminism or gay liberation?

    Some of your criticisms of RadFems are very general, and while true, could apply to anyone engaged in political argument, e.g. "Useless/Needless Arguing among themselves"; and let's search our own hearts before castigating others for "getting angry over trivialities rather than being able to take a joke", let alone "attention seeking" and not practising what we preach. You write a lot of stuff that I agree with, and when I don't immediately agree, I spend a little time on it, and sometimes my view changes. But this time, bene volente, I don't think I can agree with you.

    Of course, conflicts between PoliticaLesbians and ReaLesbians are very old (see Abbot and Love, Sappho Was a Right-on Woman). Gay men who had friends on both sides were torn apart by that in the 70s and 80s. And the Golden Award for Endurance Fence-Sitting goes to...

    petre

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    1. Petie, a day late and too many dollars short. Ask yourself where is the Butch/Femme community? Ask yourself what was the main reason for its end? Ask yourself where are all the dykes post queer theory and why have they disappeared? Ask yourself why transgenderism dramatically grew and feminism in all areas failed? Ask yourself why women are systemically abused, raped, fodder for male use? Ask yourself why we still live in a world waged by constant war? If even one of these questions you have asked yourself is correctly answered, you'll remove your comment and see the error of your lack of lesbian/female logic.

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  14. You run this blog, not me. The privilege of deleting contributions is yours, not mine. I am all too aware of the backlash, but am unclear whether you attribute it to me, or to radical feminists. I try very hard to agree with you.

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    1. It has nothing to do with deleting, merely knowing your facts.

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    2. "you'll remove your comment and see the error of your lack of lesbian/female logic"
      Please supply your definition of:
      (A) lesbian logic
      (B) female logic

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  15. Remove doesnt equal me deleting, it would mean answering correctly you would realise the non sense of your comment and remove it. I'm not anyone's mother, least of all yours. And I would like to assume you know me well enough to know powdering behinds is not my job. I'll the behinds up to you!

    Answering the questions reveals the logic.

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  16. I agree with you about so many things that it makes me very sad when we disagree.

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    1. You invite me to realize the "nonsense of my comment", but I maintain that my comment is not at all "nonsensical". We may hold different opinions about its truth, but that is a different question.

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    2. The lived experiences of lesbians/straights isnt male opinion, but I can see how your dick might get in the way you, a MALE not understanding that.

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  17. "Taking a drugstore supply of bipolar meds/ADHD meds/depression meds/sleep meds/awake meds/anxiety meds-all supplied by the same mental health assholes transitioning gays and lesbians as young as TWO!"

    As a person with an autoimmune/neurological disability I take meds for waking and sleeping. My immune system attacked my hypothalamus. The hypothalamus controls the body's sleeping and waking cycles.

    I don't understand what meds have to do with radical feminism? I'm tired of seeing feminists, or whatever you call yourself, throwing disabled women under a bus. If you are able bodied you shouldn't try to 'med shame' adults for taking meds. I can't legally drive without medication.

    I thought you were better than this.

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    1. After a quick google of you, it seems beyond this comment alone you are precisely what I'm talking about. With regards to me being "better than this" I'm happy to disappoint you. In the time I took to reply to this, 100s of lesbians have been given the green light to transition aka sanctioned to early graves. Good job!

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    2. dirt you are a disillusioned white knight of a TERF. You seem to alienate even the craziest of feminists. You will die someday (hopefully soon!) very lonely with your cat, your wife, and your callous thoughts.

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    3. Anon @ January 20, 2016 at 11:56 PM: Spoken like a bitter, sad troll. If you had actually read the post, you would have seen that Dirt said she is NOT a radfem; therefore, not a TERF (look it up). Also, the thought of dying "lonely" while WITH her wife and cat is nonsensical. Good try, but try again.

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    4. You can be lonely and still have people in your life who care about you. Dirt is a prime example: spends her life on the internet trolling for friends because she doesn't have any in real life!

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    5. Anon @ 1/21 at 8:13 am: Dirt's posts and tweets certainly do not appear lonely; and she clearly does not care whether she pleases people so she is apparently not "trolling for friends". Guess we will have to disagree on our opinions.

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    6. If Dirt accepts it, I am happy to count myself as her friend, despite our disagreements. But I would be surprised to learn that she had been "trolling" for me.

      Who isn't lonely sometimes? I have my boyfriend, but I still miss my cat who, at the end of her ninth life, went the way of all cats.

      Dirt publishes serious articles on her blog which should be of concern to all reflective people. I can't see how childish ad hominem insults advance any discussion of them.

      P.S. to Dirt regarding our earlier exchange: while I cannot agree that I was, as you phrase it, letting my dick get in the way of my understanding, I do accept that I would have been better advised to keep my own counsel. Expressions like "fishin' in my neighbor's pond" spring to mind.

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  18. Dirt, I love you. Keep speaking your truth, fearlessly!

    This is the best line ever: "THE ONLY POLITICAL LESBIANS ARE LESBIANS WHO VOTE!" :)

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  19. wow. As a radical feminist before I ever started reading this blog--I will be after too. Despite the fact that from the very beginning I liked and agreed with so much you say. I think its crazy that you would try to separate out radfems from radical lesbians. We are distinct, but politically as feminists, we need eachother. I support butch lesbians, it never crossed my mind not to. I do believe that butch lesbians share some very key experiences with radfems, and that femme lesbians share some key experiences with liberal feminists.

    I can see that you are defending butch lesbians, I agree, i dont think you can be a lesbian by not fucking men. Some groups of radfems may think that, but its not a political tenent & honestly its kind of a throwback. No one I know believes that and I've been to many radfem conferences and , yes, tumblrs.

    One of the strengths of radical feminism that you might be able to see some value in is the writing. To me, and to so so many radical feminists the literature and thought produced by radfems is important, historical, and awe inspiring. I don't know if you have actually sat down with a dworkin book and really spent time with it. Because to me, that is what changed my life and turned me into a radical feminist. Even today, rereading I am inspired and awed by the intellectual power of that woman and so many radical feminists, sheila jeffreys being another.

    my question for you is what movement ARE you a part of? Which group of feminists ARE you aligned with? We know who you aren't supportive of (radical feminists, liberal feminists, queer activists, trans activists, detransitioned trans feminists)

    Stop and think...are butch/femme lesbians capable of being in and of themselves a feminist movement?

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  20. With respect I wonder if you could answer a question about your Twitter post re Dr. Zucker. I just don't understand what you're saying: he did back conversion therapy for lesbians?

    I haven't followed this much for recent health reasons.

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  21. First of all, I'm straight and survivor of male violence, rape and sexual abuse, but also radical feminist. I haven't read so much feminist theory, I don't know all past and current second waver writers and I came to feminism for my own experiences. This post left me upset, sorry, I have no other word.
    I know I have straight privilege, I assume that I don't know what is to be a lesbian in a heteronormative culture, but blaming us all for what a bunch of so-called radical feminists have made to you is unfair. I'm in radfem groups in Facebook, with straight and lesbian women, real lesbians if you ask me. Perhaps because the most come from non-white countries, including myself, and we are a little group, we can work together in harmony, as equals. In other groups I have seen some straights thinking to go into lesbianism and I disagree with those women, as they disagree with me if I say that is a form of sexual exploitation of women. It breaks my heart seeing young lesbians pushed into transition for the societal homophobia or parents pushing their kids into it. I have never seen lesbians as a menace, I would never engage with one for the sake of escape from men, shit, I hope my comment makes any sense. English is not my first language, please forgive me for my spelling mistakes.

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    1. You might be in a FB RadFem gr, but I guarantee you it isnt with BIOLOGICAL Lesbians!

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    2. Like you said in other posts, many radfem pretend to be lesbians as a political statement, but surely there are real lesbian radfems. The girls in my group are biological lesbians if you mean for real lesbians, or I believe so. Damn, now I have doubts. If I think as hetero, I don't see and I don't share the vision of homosexuality as a choice, you are or you aren't is my motto and women using lesbians for their shit are not different of those men exploiting women for their pleasure. Perhaps because I didn't read so much theory before becoming radfem I think that way but I thank you, you are helping me to see some sacred activists in a different light.

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