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Saturday, April 4, 2015

Trans Trending-Who is Transitioning


EE-Age 21

Eli-Age 17

Matt-Age 22 (3 years on T)

Dan-Age 18

Eli-Age 22

Sage-Age-20

Nik-Age-18

Devin-Age-17

Jase-Age-19

A worrisome recent search by a trans female that hit this blog:

While studies of trans female hormone treatment sadly still remain few/small, it has become apparent from the deaths of notable trans females such as Barbara Eads, 10 plus years of testosterone treatment seems to be the impetus toward cancer. While reported cases of trans female testosterone related cancers are individual, these individual cases are clearly on the rise as post Queer Theory 90's trans females are being stricken one by one with cancer issue and studies are suggesting stricter cancer testing guidelines.
Testosterone treatment in trans females who have not had full hysterectomies, which is most trans trenders and a good deal more, their estrogen levels are as high or higher than they were pre testosterone treatment! Their levels of estrogen then are similar to that of post menopausal women using hormone replacement therapies, thereby increasing estrogen driven cancers. Meaning, while testosterone may not be DIRECTLY responsible for these types of cancers in trans females, it is none the less responsible!

But it is precisely this hocus pocus verbiage the medical and trans community are using to continue to promote and deny the clearly harmful and dangerous side effects of high long term dosing of cross sex hormones!

Testosterone might not kill you in a year, but it just might in ten! Thats not a treatment, its a death sentence!

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  1. You are giving her an opportunity to explain herself, uh? That's just a little bit patronising, if you ask me.

    Dirt is publishing pictures and data that these young women post themselves, so she is not violating any law. She does not insult them neither she is profiting from using these images, so I'm really curious about why you are so upset. She is just stating that they are transitioning, and whoever comes across the photos can make their own mind about the pictures themselves.

    Look, J, I will be patronising myself: I will give you the chance to explain to me why young women are mutilating their bodies and taking dangerous hormones to look like men. They are not men. They have learnt to love their female bodies. That's what you should worry about.

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  2. *They have learnt to hate (not love, if only...) their female bodies

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  3. "It seems to me that content aside, what have you, and no bias, that your pushing your agenda, which is fine to have, by using photographs is unethical."

    The woman who runs this blog has had her photograph Photoshopped with a Hitler style mustache and big bushy eyebrows, and then J comes on this blog and lectures us.

    We are critiquing a cultural phenomenon. These beautiful young women (they are still female) are the products of this particular point in history. Something is happening to young people born female, but we are told we can't show their faces. These photographs are plastered all over the internet, and anyone with a computer and internet access can view them. Google "FTM", and there are
    about 20,700,000 results. Out of the millions of transgender websites, blogs, and youtube videos, this blog only examines a tiny fraction of what is out there.

    I want to know why 13 year old girls are talking about testosterone gel. J has no answer, nor does he seem concerned. I want to know why transgender organizations give away free breast binders to young women under the age of 18. Breast binders can deform the rib cage. I want to know why transgender organizations promote the use of GnRH agonists (puberty suppressing drugs) and/or cross gender hormones for teenagers. If the GnRH agonists are followed by cross gender hormones, infertility is an issue. We are talking about sterilizing children, and J comes on this blog and lectures us on ethics. Will future historians view the "transitioning" of children as just another ghastly human experiment similar to lobotomies?

    How ethical is it to push "transitioning" on a seriously depressed woman? Nancy/Nathan Verhelst felt so depressed after botched sex reassignment surgery that she begged a doctor to euthanize her. Did the death of this seriously depressed fragile woman make transgender organizations think twice about pushing hormones and surgery on people? No, it was business as usual.

    Will future historians view FTM transitioning as just another form of female genital mutilation? Throughout history, culture has always left its mark on the female body.




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  4. "Conclusions: There are so far only a few cases of hormone-related cancer in transsexuals. There may be
    an underreporting. The probability of a hormone-related tumor increases with the duration of
    exposure to cross-sex hormones and the aging of the population of transsexuals."

    http://www.eje-online.org/content/159/3/197.full.pdf



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  5. The topic is using high doses of testosterone in female transition and the dangers of estrogen driven cancers as a result. If you cannot be on topic/stay on topic your comment WILL be removed regardless of length/time spent.

    dirt

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  6. Illusion is a considerable part of the trans community. Self determination of gender is fine past the age of reason. But then there is the expectation that the rest of the world believe gender can be flipped, and that posters on the internet can choose who can look at their pics and profiles.

    One reason young trans trenders show up on this blog is that we are watching. And how horrific it is to watch young young girls act out internalized misogyny by attempting to become young boys.

    Why would one try to become part of a group (men) that actively seek to destroy the other (female)? Survival. And twisted societal thinking.

    Going after this blog for posting heartbreaking pics of young girls is easy pickings. We care enough to be aware. It's the rest of the world that turns a blind eye that is truly frightening.
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  7. In light of "J's" inability to do simple searches to answer her questions, stay on topic or follow simple instruction, her comments have been removed. If she bothers commenting again, do not engage her, she will be dealt with properly by me.

    dirt

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  8. Illusion is a considerable part of the trans community. Self determination of gender is fine past the age of reason. But then there is the expectation that the rest of the world believe gender can be flipped, and that posters on the internet can choose who can look at their pics and profiles.

    One reason young trans trenders show up on this blog is that we are watching. And how horrific it is to watch young young girls act out internalized misogyny by attempting to become young boys.

    Why would one try to become part of a group (men) that actively seek to destroy the other (female)? Survival. And twisted societal thinking.

    Going after this blog for posting heartbreaking pics of young girls is easy pickings. We care enough to be aware. It's the rest of the world that turns a blind eye that is truly frightening.
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  9. Once again, 1, 5 and 9 have that same expression. Where the autogynephile smirk reads as contempt, this emerging female version feels like under the self-deprecating "aw shucks, I'm just a regular dude" is an undercurrent of fear: "oh shit, am I doing this right?"

    - Wanted to Change my body, decided to change the world

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  10. Dirt,

    After carefully looking through the study, I would like to reassert (as many have said it before me) that testosterone has not been shown to increase the risk of hormone driven cancers.

    In your article you said:

    "While studies of trans female hormone treatment sadly still remain few/small,"

    This is a key point which should read as "Take with a tablespoon of salt". The studies themselves can't even find significant numbers of ftms to poll, sources 34 and 44 both had 35 ftm subjects and tracked them for 1 and
    0.75 to 3 years respectively. This is not sufficient to show a statistically significant outcome, and even so; neither found testosterone to be a contributor to hormone related cancers.

    " it has become apparent from the deaths of notable trans females such as Barbara Eads, 10 plus years of testosterone treatment seems to be the impetus toward cancer"

    Robert "Barbara" Eads died of ovarian cancer which is rare enough in ftms that the cited study only found three documented cases. Had his doctors not refused treatment for a cumulative total of a year, the cancer may not have metastasized and he may have been fine. Ovarian cancer tends to have a better prognosis the earlier it's caught.

    As for everything else, it can be rebuked again by the fact that the data in the study (and the link to cancer.org) simply don't back up the claims.
    1) The article states that the estradiol levels may be similar to post-menopausal women on estrogen treatment, the link you gave states that the risk is increased by .1% (an additional thousandth), or an extra 220 cases per year globally. This is according to one study which compiled over 50 others, but still had a relatively small sample size (and no representation from the group that you claim is at risk).
    2) Ftms with ovarian cancer are rare enough to be considered an insignificant number (3 have been reported, a number consistent in all of the above articles), and once again, the sample size is too small to make determinations.
    3) A lack of long term studies prevent us from having any real data on the long term effects of testosterone on ftms, so claiming that testosterone might kill you in 10 years is simply unsubstantiated.

    The issues go on, but those are the important ones: sample size, lack of correlation, and lack of long term studies. All three of which indicate that there is no correlation between testosterone usage and hormone related cancers.

    Overall: Cases of hormone related cancers in ftms are not "clearly on the rise", and testosterone is not responsible for any sort of hormone related cancer according to the study that you cited and it's relevant sources.

    The risk of hormone related cancers in transgender patients is greatly exaggerated by many, and doesn't actually exist as far as medical science has been able to determine. If you wanted to talk about the risks that the article DOES show (like hypertension or increased BMI), or any of the other scientifically supported issues that ftms suffer from (decreased likelihood of proper healthcare, increased smoking risk, etc) then you would have an excellent scientific platform to stand on, but as of now you are simply incorrect.


    Perilecoda

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  11. " and doesn't actually exist as far as medical science has been able to determine" and as the article and countless others, including blogs such as these (those viewing transition without prejudice), not to mention countless trans sites with prejudice assert, there is NO determination from science to test/find and document these cancers!

    Science AND trans females/males invested in transition to normalise the abnormal/fulfill paraphilia highs arent invested in transition related cancers. The fact that transition has been around for nearly a century is proof in the absence of these long term studies despite trans related cancer deaths from transition treatment's inception.

    dirt

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  12. Instead of worrying about the risk of cancer some decide it's a good idea to "prove" that the risk doesn't excist. Just close your eyes en think it away, yeah right.
    There are studies that prove that synthetic testosterone is dangerous for born males and that they can't take it long term.
    Still F2T's think that a female body can take synthetic testosterone a life time. If a born male can't handle it, then how can a female? Just because they didn't study the effect on female bodies doesn't prove that it's not very dangerous. That's too simple.

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  13. Let me add, least you remember the likes of drugs like Thalidomide or fen-phen to name merely two whereby within a few years were removed from the market as soon as a small number of DOCUMENTED cases in the negative hit the public media domain. So ask yourself then, why has cross sexed hormone treatment continued to go undocumented in serious studies, despite cancer related deaths of transitioners?

    dirt

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  14. Dirt (6:24 comment),

    "there is NO determination from science to test/find and document these cancers!" " The fact that transition has been around for nearly a century is proof in the absence of these long term studies despite trans related cancer deaths from transition treatment's inception. "

    There are three immediate issues that come to mind with these statements. 1) The earliest clinical usage of cross-sex hormones that is commonly cited was in 1948, a century ago transgender people were only beginning to be studied. 2) Studies take money and scientific interest, neither of which tend to be applied to trans topics, especially since there hasn't really been any increase in cancer noted in the population. 3) As previously stated "trans related cancer deaths" don't appear to actually exist, ovarian cancer (for example) affects about 1 in 75 women over the course of their lifetimes, with a .1% increase in post menopausal women on estrogen therapy. If we assume that ftms have similar hormone levels (as you do above) then that means that non-operative ftms have a similar risk of ovarian cancer (0.0133%). This number is simply not different enough from average to warrant specific studies on cancer in ftms, and won't be until a clear reason to do more exist.

    Big,

    There has been no "thinking away", the "proof" is the lack of cancerous ftms and the fact that their hormone levels don't indicate anything dangerous.

    Additionally, I would love to see the studies that you are referencing, because most of the risks that I am seeing are fertility issues, which are something that ftms are warned about going into their treatment. Other than that, their greatest risk would be a possible increase in risk of prostate cancer.

    Dirt (6:36 comment),

    The difference between the drugs you listed and testosterone therapy is that thalidomide caused over 10,000 children to be born with birth defects and fen/phen had 30% of those who took it to develop heart problems. On the other hand testosterone has no known dependent cancers that would affect ftms, the slight increase in estradiol levels is within studied ranges, and no statistically relevant percentage of studied ftms have developed hormone related cancers; certainly not enough to give anyone a cause to believe that it's dangerous.

    Once again, cancer related deaths in transitioners simply aren't numerous enough, and studies don't seem to indicate that we have any reason to believe that they ever will be.


    Perilecoda

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  15. We in the community have NEVER and could NEVER/can NEVER rely on science for the truth. Yet WE see it regularly, suffer it regularly with those suffering cancer related issues from HRT and mourn those deaths individual and collective. Science/society/anti feminist however cannot afford that if they are to continue the eradication homosexuals/paraphilliacs.

    dirt

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  16. Also you still seem to neglect asking yourself J, why did it take a certain percentage of deaths to remove those drugs from the market? What is the magic number of transition related deaths required, whether from cancer, heart disease, suicide, AIDS, diabetes etc?

    For me, it is ONE. Thats ONE too many for a treatment aimed at treating something non existent in 99.999999999% of transitioners and which doesnt CURE it in the other fragment percent.

    dirt

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  17. @Perilecoda

    Speaking from a strictly historical point of view, drugging people with hormones for long periods of time doesn't have a very good track record. Doctors used to routinely give menopausal women hormones (estrogen alone, or estrogen and progestin ). They are more cautious now because over the years they have learned that it's not a good idea to routinely drug women.

    I don't think anyone can predict what the long term effects of "T" (testosterone) are in biological females. In a real sense, it's something of a cultural/social/medical experiment in the making.

    As to FTMs, even transgender sources say:

    What we DO know about transmen’s health and ovarian cancer

    • The American Cancer Society has asserted that, due to the amount of testosterone ingested, transmen have an increased risk of ovarian cancer. Excess testosterone is converted into estrogen in the body, adding to our ovarian cancer risk (2).
    • Several studies of transmen (4, 5, 6, 7) have found an increased incidence of Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS), even in those who have not taken
    “T”. For example, gender.org (2002) writes, “PCOS may affect as many as 25% of Female-to-Male (FTM) transsexual persons. The symptoms of PCOS may include hirsutism (in the absence of androgen treatment), irregular or absent menses, dysmenorreah (painful menses), obesity, and, rarely, true virilization. However, many people show no obvious symptoms.
    (7)” PCOS is a hormonal condition believed to be caused by an overproduction of insulin, which in turn stimulates the ovaries to produce testosterone. PCOS is associated with increased risk for a number of health
    problems. Possibly including ovarian cancer (4).
    • There is limited and contradictory evidence of a link between PCOS and ovarian cancer (5, 8).
    • Ovarian cancer is sometimes called the “silent killer” because of its death rate of 65%, and because there are usually no clear symptoms until it has
    spread (9).

    What we DON’T yet know about transmen and ovarian cancer

    • How many transmen are affected by ovarian cancer.
    • Why higher rates of transmen are affected by polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) in comparison to other individuals who were assigned female at
    birth.
    • If there is, in fact, a direct link between long-term hormone therapy (testosterone) and incidences of PCOS and ovarian cancer among transmen

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  18. I'm sorry for not listing the source:

    http://www.cancer-network.org/media/pdf/Trans_men_and_ovarian_cancer.pdf

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  19. On other words, they don't know the long term effects.

    https://www.sgim.org/File%20Library/SGIM/Resource%20Library/Forum/2014/Oct2014-06.pdf

    "Studies to date investigating the incidence
    of hormone-sensitive cancers in transgender individuals receiving hormone therapy have been predominately
    retrospective and limited by small cohorts, short-term follow-up, and lack of inclusion of older participants
    who are most likely to develop cancer."

    Endometrial (Uterine) Cancer Testosterone use may increase the risk of endometrial cancer, but evidence
    is limited.3

    Ovarian Cancer

    Testosterone use may increase the risk of ovarian cancer among FTM individuals, but evidence is limited.3 An
    increase in ovarian androgen receptors has been reported after long term testosterone administration.5 No
    long-term studies have investigated ovarian cancer incidence among FTM individuals.

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  20. @ J, Perilecoda, or whatever his name is,

    "There has been no "thinking away", the "proof" is the lack of cancerous ftms and the fact that their hormone levels don't indicate anything dangerous."

    Again, the jury is still out...

    Why does J, Perilecoda, or whatever his name is assume that all transmen (biological females who "transition) get their hormones level routine checked?

    Aromatase converts testosterone to estrogen. This is why too much "T" can be as bad for FTMs as too little. It's well know that estrogen therapy alone can increase the risk of certain cancers in women. For menopausal women who still have their uterus, HRT with estrogen alone can increase the risk of uterine cancer.

    "The use of hormone replacement therapy that contains only estrogen increases the risk of endometrial cancer. For this reason, estrogen therapy alone is usually prescribed only for women who do not have a uterus. "

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/prevention/endometrial/Patient/page3

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  21. I'm flattered that I'm being confused for someone who has more knowledge than I do on the statistics of the drug effects of testosterone. The only thing I know of testosterone based on a general consensus from transgender people is that there are usually doctor follow ups and bloodwork done in several month intervals based on how much they are taking or if they have graduated to a higher dose.
    I actually don't know nor have I ever heard of a trans person who doesn't do follow ups with their doctor or get bloodwork done, at least for the first few years. And when I did a Google search on a trans forum the majority of trans men seemed to reference their doctors. I'm sure they're out there flying solo, though, so don't quote me.
    That's about as far as my knowledge goes and it's based on what I've heard from transgender people from transgender people. I'm lucky enough to know a few transgender people and I can say what I've heard from them.
    I also don't know any trans people who have cancer but I'm sure they're out there as well.

    I don't know anything about estrogen but if you want me to get on topic about T, Dirt, all I'm aware of from what I've been told is that it often causes high blood pressure, mild temporary irritability, fatigue, acne, increased appetite and sometimes hair loss. The hair loss, I've been told, can be combated with other drugs if it becomes an issue. And most trans guys I've talked to or have been told of have accepted that hair loss is just a possible nature of the game. I also know testosterone use has to be used responsibly by anyone, and that it can cause health issues such as enlarged liver or heart.
    And no doubt T can cause some serious health problems, like any drug. I'm not disputing that.
    I know based on the protocol of testosterone use that transgender people are told of these possible health problems before starting testosterone. So there's my two cents on testosterone and that doesn't come from what I've read it's just what I know from what I've been told first-hand.

    -J

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  22. "I actually don't know nor have I ever heard of a trans person who doesn't do follow ups with their doctor or get bloodwork done, at least for the first few years"

    Suuuuure, do you think those 15 year old girls who upload videos on youtube talking about their experiences with "T" do get regular blood tests? Do you think those underage girls who haven't came out to their parents get prescription notes to get testosterone shots? If you do, I don't know what kind of delusional reality you live in.

    Most transmales and transfemales self-medicate. On forums they act as if they don't. But in reality, they do. Youtube, reddit and tumblr have more than enough evidence of that.

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  23. The entire community involved in the transition trend, from those in the medical field to individuals transitioning are just guessing at this point. Data is being collected, but it has to be read thru the desires of those who feel the need to transition being fed by greedy and opportunistic doctors. However it is common knowledge that large doses of synthetic hormones leads to cancer.

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  24. If you desire to comment on this blog, CORRECT terminology is a MUST. If you cannot comply with basic biological sense, your comment/s WILL be removed.

    dirt

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