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Tuesday, January 27, 2015

Transmen-Wide Womanly Hips-Before and After Transition

This blog receives daily searches from assorted trans females struggling with the unhappy truths of what testosterone/transition DID NOT and CANNOT do for them. A profound and striking distress encountered by many trans females post transition, centers on biological female shape, particularly the discernible broad hips females need, in order to bear children. 
This unmistakable difference, clothed, naked or nothing but bones between males and females cannot simply be swapped out with a choice pronoun anymore than they can be changed via testosterone.

Searches regarding post female transition like the one you see below are a common search:
Both the psychiatric and medical complex mislead females transitioning by using male nomenclature, as if switching biological nature were as easy as switching words. It isnt by the way. Trans females will ALWAYS possess and reflect wider hips than men, no matter their size/shape/athleticism before transition

Take the German pole vaulter Yvonne Buschbaum, she was a very fit and athletic woman before testosterone:
Fit though she was, Olympic fit, her wider hips are still visible. Lets look at Yvonne post transition:
Female hips, even fat distribution around the hips remains firmly intact.

Lilia Silveira:
Kimberly Ann Sallans:
 Ian Harvie:


Susan buck angel Lee:
All five (trans) women used here as an example of unchanging female pelvis/hips, are either in great shape (at one point) or average. None the less, even the more naturally narrow and athletic hipped seen here before transition, STILL possess obvious womanly (curvy) shapes after. Exercise can help disguise the natural hour glass female figure, and clothes too go a long way to hide curvaceousness. But if you cannot reckon that transition in and of itself will NOT remove your female hips/shape, then you might want to do some serious therapy to address this discomfort BEFORE you transition. And if you have transitioned already and the masculinizing effects of synthetic hormones and surgeries only go to emphasize your feminine attributes, increasing them even. Or for some, the first time developing dysphoria, you will need to come to terms with being a woman even if you are passing as a man, if you wish to truly be at peace with yourself.

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  1. Caged says:
    Wow! Unbelievable how eye opening your blogs are. I wish women who want to transition really think about and see what the facts are. Your right on every time. I nominate Dirt for an Oscar! And if I need to post my real name I will.

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  2. I have hips like a snake and Im a small butch woman 5 ft 3.

    I dont think I was built to have children, but the world needs Butch Aunts too, not just Moms.

    Somebody has to let the nieces and nephews paint animals all over the garage door - and show the next generation of Tomboys how to step with your feet sideways down a steep trail,and make nunchucks out of some pvc pipe and a piece of jump rope or junk chain.

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  3. Dirt, just fucking give it up already. Keep your fucking nose out of trans issues, stop posting pictures of people and putting them in danger. I hope you and your little radfem group die out soon.

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  4. When we do I hope the biological males you idolize will be willing to be there to support you through all your future mental and medical issues. Its you who hang on us.
    Your doing it right now, reading my dyke words.

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    1. Idolizing someone and being trans is completely two different things. If you haven't figured that out yet, please go read a book or something.

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  5. @10:28 I wouldn't worry, were I you. All the men mentioned in this article are, in comparison to some other (the "Who is transitioning" ones) open to everyone and something like this cannot hurt them. The writer is showing her opinions, let her. Just the fact she is using the birth names of the people mentioned instead of the official ones are signs of something.
    If you know some transmen, you know how things worked out for them and you know it isn't true. If you are trans yourself, you know best what can and cannot make you happy. You should also know what hormones and all the stuff can and cannot do. I even heard a interview with Balian Buschbaum where he talks about this. He knew and knows his body will never be a male stereotype. But even though practically everyone who meets him knows not only that he has wide hips (as you can see) but also that he transitioned, they treat him with respect. Because he was a great athlete and is a great person, trainer and author. He doesn't need any protection for us.

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    1. I completely agree with you and I understand what you are saying. It is often when people are transitioning they research as much as they can so that they know what can and cannot happen and come to terms. Often they do whatever they can do get as far as they can. It is a journey not only trans people are going through but also scientists and it is obvious that most things with transitioning are not perfected yet. Most trans men and women know that and learn to understand that. I would probably respect this article a bit more if it was more like a warning so trans men can understand some cons about transitioning so they know what they could be going into but I dislike that this is more trying to change their minds. I think that maybe with a bit more research on how trans people feel about this as well as how they understand that this is somewhat true they can see that they are not so much upset with that the medical industries have not gotten this far but waiting and being grateful for how far they have gotten. I also believe that this is very much so a single story and they have only picked through these problems with transitioning and if anyone who is doing so is looking through this they should know there is much more to it and research a lot further than this small article. I also apologize if this is somewhat repetitive and rambling a bit.

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    2. We know and understand what transition means! WTF?! The problem is YOU HAVE NO IDEA what YOU'RE talking about. You don't know the first thing about being trans and all of this is rubbish. You can find plenty of CIS men with wider hips and plenty of transmen and women with narrow hips. And that's NOT what makes gender. You are a fool.

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    3. this is perfect

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  6. Perhaps protection is needed. Protection from adopting an ideology that one is victimized by ones birth name, is, to use your comment 5:34.. " a sign of something.."

    In Dirt's entire post there isn't a single negative word about Buschbaum's character or achievements.

    Is discussion about the skeletal form victimizing, too? Along with being named at birth?

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    1. Well, as I say each and every time, all discussion is useless here.
      But yes, calling you something you're not definitely says something about your character. Use feminine pronouns if that's your ideology - I know in your case I cannot change that. But the using of birth names is hilarious. If a woman changed her name because she didn't like the old one, you wouldn't use it. But here, it's some exception I guess.
      Nobody needs protection from being trans.. . Your ideas are irrational but if I discussed this I'd just repeat things said here million times before. That there are more butch lesbians than trans people and they by no means hate them. That it's not true that when somebody detransitions they all go hate them (I know this isn't true as I know three people who decided to "go back" - nobody stopped them, the majority supported them. Nobody attacked them and everyone used new pronouns. What people wrote here is simply not true). That no trans person would push someone into transition - they know it's hard. That they are aggressive and neither lesbians nor straight girls will date them - I date one. I'm happy. I don't see any symptoms that you list here and I'm with him for over year now. This will just exist, as some yin to yang I guess.

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    2. To say what wasn't yet said:
      Well, if something happened to Buschbaum, she would definitely say it's because of testosterone. Any health problem ever.
      It's not that it's victimising. There is just absolutely no reason to write about him or about his skeletal structure. you just took his photo, made a blog post and showed him along with four other people to say "Look! Bones ain't gummy bears to change shape!" Girl, I don't know that! As I wrote in my previous post, trans people should know what hormones can and cannot do. Both me and my bf go to group sessions and you can see how your body changes and how it doesn't.
      And I can't help but think that you do this to somehow convince yourself that trans guys will never be guys. Because these filthy chromosomes are not to be seem by eye, nor is genitalia. So you need to show them they'll never be that - and look, there is hips! OMG. But no amount of your blog posts will change the fact that when a trans guy who is on hormones for a long time goes out, nobody "shes" him. This, along with the fact that his chromosomes or bone structure won't change is a fact.

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  7. Dirt is spot on, and trained forensic experts can tell the difference between males and females by just looking at the bone structure, wide pelvis etc.

    @January 27, 2015 at 10:28 PM

    Not any time soon.....

    @January 28, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    That no trans person would push someone into transition - they know it's hard.

    What planet does this person live on? Or, has he or she been hiding in a cave? The push to "transition" is all around us. There are 13 and 14 year old girls who say they are "pre-everything" ("T", top surgery, etc.) They read this on the zillion and one trans* blogs, websites, youtube, etc. Some trans websites give away free breast binders to teenage girls despite the fact that breast binding for long periods of time can damage the rib cage.

    We collect new and pre-owned chest binders from guys who don't need them anymore and donate them to trans-masculine youth in need absolutely free of charge.

    http://www.transactiveonline.org/inabind/faqs.php

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    1. 14 year old transition - well, the dysphoria hits in the puberty. Mostly because these guys hate the changes and breast growth. Where I live, my bf became hormones at eighteen and was really terrible until then. He also had a blog because it was only place he was supported at. He was thrown out of school even though a straight A student and his family stopped contact with him. They reconciled later but he would always choose them over some people from internet. The people weren't pushing him - they were, along with his friends, the only support he had. You don't know what dysphoria is like - I don't either - but I certainly know it was terrible for him. I also know he is happier now - it's not as you write here that the run after a perfect body never stops - he is quite undysphoric for almost a year now (since top op), his anxiety is a lot smaller and he is a happy person. I and other people get a lot from this and as far as I know, practically nobody knows he's trans now. So he cannot hurt picture of any butch woman. And he's quite feminine at some things AND gets laughed at. He says that this never stopped him. I would lie if I said he is like stereotypical gay feminine or a gay activist but he definitely isn't something to put anyone into danger of losing identity. I think dysphoria is really something physical rather than social. I even remember my bf talked one girl out of transitioning because she REALLY was a confused teen (not even lesbian I think but hated her high voice). And then helped some trans guys. I, as a woman (as you say born woman) don't have any negative experience with him or the majority of other trans guys (some idiots are everywhere) neither my bf became an aggressive monster on T - more confident and with a bigger appetite for sure but never aggressive. His personality stayed the same. There I know his was carefully measured - I believe shit can happen if people get illegal steroids.
      Free binders - saved my bf's spine. He used ace bandages to bind - and that was some serious damage. Not to ribcage (or not obviously) but to the upper part of spine. He had migraines, fainted often and noone could convince him to stop binding with that shit. I think he would cause himself severe damage if he didn't get that one for free. He still has to do exercise for scoliosis he caused himself with that fuckery. A good binder works almost like a sports bra - I even use one sometimes during my PMS because then my boobs are super sensitive during sports. Holds them firmly in place. You are confusing things here - a binder made for binding doesn't hurt rib cage - it has no hard material at the back side and is made from velcro or another stretchy material to not restrict breathing - ace bandages, tape and the cheap 'binders' that ain't stretchy hurt people who use them. These giveaways give away normal binders that don't cause any harm to users - not having a binder doesn't stop trans people from it, rather they choose destructive methods. That's one myth on this website. Even if the people using the free binders weren't actually trans you should still be happy for these people even (and especially) with your opinions - they cause these people not to hurt themselves with dumb methods of binding their breasts.

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  8. So you need to show them they'll never be that - and look, there is hips! OMG. But no amount of your blog posts will change the fact that when a trans guy who is on hormones for a long time goes out, nobody "shes" him.

    As to "passing" in public, this individual has no way of knowing what people are actually thinking. The fact that most people remain silence doesn't mean they can't tell that something looks different. Some "pass" better than others. I've seen some short FTMs with round womanly looking hips. The main reason "nobody 'shes' him" is because transgender activists have browbeaten and intimidated people into disregarding their own common sense. When a person remains silent when he or she sees a trans person who doesn't "pass" very well, it's not because we actually believe it. We are being forced to play along with the charade. We are humoring you.

    I really don't care how people dress, and I don't care if people identify as transgender. I hate to be part of another person's fantasy world. No one can force me to believe that females are actually male. It's bad enough that they pitch a huge hissy fit if anyone uses the wrong pronoun. I refuse to play along with anyone's personal delusions.

    Other ways it's impossible to deny the fact that FTMs are still female.

    (1.) When the pants come down, people know that they are female. Most FTMs never undergo "bottom surgery", and when they do, it's not comparable to a penis on a biological male.

    (2.) When any medical and/or genetic tests are done, people know that they are female. Rare disorders of sexual development are not the same thing as transgender. The vast majority of transgender identified people have no intersex medical condition.

    (3.) Any trained forensic expert can tell a male skeleton from a female skeleton.

    Because these filthy chromosomes are not to be seem by eye, nor is genitalia.

    Are chromosomes filthy? Being born XX is filthy? WTF!




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    1. I'm sorry for the "filthy". I meant another word, similar but... Now I don't wanna search it. English is not my first language, I suck at it.

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    2. You know there are several factors that identifies a person's sex? You also know that people can be male female and intersex. You also know the only reason we identify sex is to identify how a person reproduces. We completely ignore the factime that some people are born intersex. We may not have all the science to figure out why people are trans but a lot of it is pointing to abnormal chromosomes and hormone levels. You know gender is also something completely different from sex? I am sure you have no problem calling drag queens she and her? There is no delusion trans people know very well the way they are born they also know very well how they can reproduce. What we don't know is why it conflicts with the wiring in the brain. If there was an off switch I'm sure 99% would turn it off. Most of us is just trying to live happy. Most lesbians that have a problem with this are closeted butch lesbians. I have never met an even somewhat feminine lesbian that made cruel remarks. You can call a male gendered person she... but that would just be odd. I can guarantee you if you were to call me she I was sir and he you back. It is absurd. On top of that you may think someone is trans and they may not even be trans. Even a 5 foot guy.

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  9. I have a question about Buschbaum's medals and athletic achievement.

    Since Buschbaum is "male" now, he should be judged in comparison to other males. Nothing that "he" has done compares to male athletes.

    Buschbaum isn't even the best female pole vaulter. Buschbaum's personal best is 4.70 metres, achieved in June 2003 in Ulm.

    On March 2, 2013 Suhr broke Yelena Isinbayeva's world indoor record (set on February 23, 2012 in Stockholm) at the USA Indoor Track & Field Championships in Albuquerque, New Mexico with a vault of 5.02m (16 ft. 5.5 in.), becoming the 2nd woman in history to vault over 5 meters.

    This is what the male athletes do:

    6.16 m Renaud Lavillenie

    Buschbaum's main claim to stardom is her, I mean, "his" trans status. Other than being FTM, she is just an ordinary female athlete.



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    1. Well, he was well known when I was little (I'm German). He stopped with sports during transition, of course and didn't go back, so no idea how he would score now.

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    2. Why on earth do people make comments with absolutely no research?

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  10. Even if the people using the free binders weren't actually trans you should still be happy for these people even (and especially) with your opinions - they cause these people not to hurt themselves with dumb methods of binding their breasts.

    This link was posted on this blog several times before, but no one must have read it.

    Most people seem to know that binding with tapes and bandages can be dangerous, but few people realize that the same risks apply to chest binders.

    And the damages do occur: bruised ribs, deformed ribs, broken ribs, lung collapse,….

    Here’s the story from a guy who’d been wearing ONLY Underworks binders for 6 years:

    •He developed costochondritis (rib inflammation)
    •His ribs are deformed and compressed into his lungs
    •Some of his muscles have shifted position….


    http://bundlr.com/clips/51c7e9b2244d316b250004dc

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    1. Well, that's because Underworks aren't made for trans people. They are for non-trans (see? Read comment policy) males with some chest issues that cause them to have small 'breasts'. But it's made for this small thing and not for some trans D cup.
      Still, as a physician (I'm a pediatrist but still have some idea) this wouldn't cause any harm if the person using used the right size. However, this "binder" works only a little bit better than a sports bra and of course, loses its stretchiness with time, which leads the guys to get a smaller size than they need, which causes some problems.
      But still, I think this guy must have used something else as well or had scoliosis before. My bf had Underworks and it wasn't perfect but not bad either. And definitely better than ace bandage of any sort.

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  11. You are confusing things here - a binder made for binding doesn't hurt rib cage -

    Read the earlier post....

    Duct tape, Ace bandages, etc. are dangerous, but breast binders themselves can also be dangerous.

    "Most people seem to know that binding with tapes and bandages can be dangerous, but few people realize that the same risks apply to chest binders.

    And the damages do occur: bruised ribs, deformed ribs, broken ribs, lung collapse,….

    Here’s the story from a guy who’d been wearing ONLY Underworks binders for 6 years:

    •He developed costochondritis (rib inflammation)
    •His ribs are deformed and compressed into his lungs
    •Some of his muscles have shifted position….

    http://bundlr.com/clips/51c7e9b2244d316b250004dc

    "He used ace bandages to bind - and that was some serious damage. Not to ribcage (or not obviously) but to the upper part of spine. He had migraines, fainted often and noone could convince him to stop binding with that shit. I think he would cause himself severe damage if he didn't get that one for free. He still has to do exercise for scoliosis he caused himself with that fuckery."

    I'm really sorry about this. It is sad, and I hope this person improves. Breast binders can do the same thing. Girls and women don't have to bind. Use a sports bra and wear a lose shirt. It's better than using any breast binder.

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    1. Thanks for the sentiment. He's definitely better now. While I know you guys (girls) don't like top surgeries, his definitely helped a lot. His spine is not perfect but significantly better (I had to force him to exercise but it helped).
      Mostly educating them won't help. My bf even wrote extensively about the damage ace bandages caused him, with photos of his damaged spine and everything but when asked about it, he said that he doesn't honestly believe it will stop many people - they just want to feel "flat". The sports bra variant actually works well for some. But for bigger breasts it isn't enough and then... We both know where it ends. And the people especially at danger are the high school kids. During attending the group sessions I met a lot of these - they mostly weren't even "out" because they were afraid of reaction - kids are cruel but they still bound their breasts because they just didn't want to see them, feel them. A lot of these had panic attacks because of them and their parents refused to see a therapist - not for hormones but for the anxiety. my bf couldn't get hormones for quite some time and therapy helped a lot - the dysphoria stayed but he could work normally, concentrating on things he loved to avoid having anxiety or a panic attack. The "T" and the top of solved this almost completely but I think that the lack of a therapist is cause for a lot of trans suicides. I sometimes make 'binders' for the high school guys to keep them from experiencing what my bf did. It's honestly sad and that's why I appreciate the binder giveaways. Even if they got a size smaller, it's about million times better than ace bandage and you'd be lying to yourself if you believed that not having access to a binder stops you from binding if you're trans. Most kids at these giveaways don't get these for fun but because they're sure about their identity and can't afford one and whether you believe it's legit or not I think we all don't want anyone to be hurt, regardless of sex and identity.

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    2. Most people don't identity as 2 genders. You do know what gender is right? It is not the same as sex. Like drag queens for example. They identify as men except when they change their gender to female for show. Most people then call them she and her during that time. Same goes for Trans people. Although a lot of Trans people change their sex not all of them do some of them just their gender. We have this idea that a person's reproduction process should define their gender... it doesnt. Although normally it does.

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  12. @January 28, 2015 at 3:03 PM

    Thanks for the input...

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    1. You're welcome. I think you mean we with being against breast binding but it's important to know more about what it causes and why this happens because then you can actually actively do something against people hurting themselves.

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    2. /... you mean well

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  13. @ Anon 12:38...

    hmmm. So you werent calling chromosomes "filthy" k.

    Was it Pesky? Was that what you meant? Messy? Naughty? Just What ARE those irrepressable buzzkill XX chromosomes??

    Nobody buys the "English Second language" BS. Like we cant look at your diction in text.

    My point being that it doesnt matter that you Cant Stand those *%@#&! chromosomes, or that some people speak/write more than one language, but its that trans will uh, Fib, so readily.

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    1. I wouldn't excuse myself if I wasn't sorry. Your comment makes no sense. You see people attacking you where they are not. I said I meant other word, I meant other word. As you could tell from what I wrote here, I respect you, your opinions and comment policy (not using the "c" word when you don't respect that). I respect this is a personal blog for opinions that are not similar to mine and I'm here for a normal discussion, not attacking people who are against me. Also if you read what I wrote, you'd know that I'm not a trans person, rather a girlfriend. But you probably do not believe this as well. Because all trans people make terrible significant others, probably murdering their girlfriend in a "testosterone rage".
      I have absolutely no problem with my chromosomes and with the exception of some stretch marks (and after some body image issues) I like my XX body, I also like being a woman. But I know a lot of people who don't agree with this statement, my boyfriend included and what Dirt writes here are often true statements (some dangers of testosterone and bad binding) but I believe some of her insights are wrong and I'm trying to show it here, especially since I know a trans person for a long time and know that "T" helped him and that he didn't become some terrible person (or suicidal person chasing after unreachable ideal) but rather a pretty normal person not meaning any harm and definitely don't pushing anyone to transition as well.
      So please, calm down. You can't except any people to respect what you write when you react like this. You look like a choleric person who can't take anything.

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      sounds like a whole lot of bullshit to me. (?)

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  14. Clarifying that @Above meaning 4:06, I wasn't "excited" nor need I think people were "attacking" me. So you are reading some emotive subtext (choleric - Nice!) which wasn't there, but with this kind of format unless its made quite obvious with caps or italics, personalizing dynamics can happen. The word Respect is constantly brandished in the trans trend world. One can't force anyone to respect anything. There is no law (yet) that regulates what I will and won't respect. You don't have to respect my views, either. Basically we still just have the freedom to state them.
    And yes, I did assume you were trans, you mentioned your bf and I took it to mean you both were of the trans ftm genre that pretend to be gay men together.
    My Bad.

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    1. Respect isn't a "transtrender" value rather the word I heard again and again when in discussing club. To convince others of your opinion, you discuss, not call bullshit.
      You might not convince me, as I obviously chose my side a long time ago but when you react like this, you only rise the chance of a undecided person reading this choosing my side and my arguments. Fact.
      There is a difference between respecting a person as a person and accepting their views. You can still treat trans people with respect even when you don't believe they're right or argue against them.
      And sorry to break this to you, but the couples including two FtMs are rather rare. There isn't that much of them and most of them are with nontrans people. In quite normal relationships I'd say even though it definitely needs a lot on the part of the partner.

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  15. After reading this post I started looking around me at work. I noticed at least 3 non-trans men who have wider hips than myself and a few women with narrower hips than a "standard" man. I'm remembering men I've seen in the locker room at my gym who have *very* wide hips. In fact, there are all kinds of bodies across the board-as you well know since some of you certainly pass as male in public. Frankly, it's incredibly easy to pass for many of us if we were not burdened with alot of curves. Which brings me to my second point: I'm absolutely convinced I know how person behaves when they are confident and proud of who they are. I've seen it in person. A proud butch does not waste her time looking at transmen on the internet. A proud butch does not think about transmen more than she thinks about anyone else or come here making disparaging remarks about dick size. What a pathetic display this is for all of you. It makes me wonder if this blog is the collected misery of those who *would* transition if they thought they could pass. I know, that's a horrible thing to suggest. But I'd bet money there is a larger proportion of curvy, wide-hipped, or unusually short women posting here. I don't want to seem uncharitable. I just can't think of any other credible reason that so many bitter, ugly people would collect on one place to try and hate on transmen. What you are saying here reveals more about you than it does about us. That I know for sure. Do yourselves a favor and don't waste too much more of your precious time on this earth despising us or obsessing about us. We are doing just fine.

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  16. No one despises you, or obsesses over you.

    We See, We Speak, We do what we want.

    Always have, always will.

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  17. Transgender thought police. Who are you to speak for all "proud" (wtf) butches?

    I see many many trans people that don't pass. They seem to live in a neitherland. That's fine really, that's a choice each person can make. It's also my choice to not blindly swallow your illusion.

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  18. I don't speak for butches, god knows. I just know a few good ones who love themselves enough to be enjoying their own lives. Instead of lurking around YouTube, trying to find transpeople to disparage. That's not a life. I also have seen transpeople who do not pass. I would have a hard time walking that path. Thankfully, I don't have to.

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  19. Part of the illusion is to expect others to not seek out or watch ftm YouTube videos. I understand the safety factor, and it's a public forum. Still I watch to learn, to understand and frankly because I'm curious why a woman would want to join the male ranks.

    If that's lurking so be it. I mean no harm.

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  20. I won't be manipulated into looking away There's a toxic influence being served up fresh and cutting edge to young girls, and tomboys, and its not going to happen unnoticed. This blog helps that.

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  21. Wrong! Bio men can have wide hips to! And hour glass shapes.

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  22. The Trans trenders on you tube seem just like any other girls who are fixated on their external appearance. Instead of: Does My Butt look fat in these jeans? - Its: Does my chest look like a guy in this shirt? How about this one? What about my hair? et etc etc.

    They sound Exactly like any girl talking about fashion and features to other girls in front of the mirror when Ive gone to the restroom, or had girly roommates. It is definately not a male vibe.

    I think that this is embarrasing to them or at least the those who have posted on this thread, who have engaged in the transparent tactic of designing rhetoric to deter attention from their You Tube presentations and public disclosures.

    This, along with the endless procession of new trenders make it obvious that it is indeed a trend, but one with great potential for future and health damaging impact.

    Trying to deflect unwanted scrutiny by deprecating the observer is also a behavior often used by girls, especially in adolescence, to defend their behaviors, i.e; "You have no life! Get out of my room!!!"

    When it continues into adulthood its an immature and self defeating way to relate to others.

    We are only as sick as our secrets.

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  23. Hey no one's telling you what to do with your time or interest. I don't expect people not to look at You Tube. I'm a huge fan of curiosity. If I thought you were merely curious rather than fascinated, judgmental, and sanctimonious that would be one thing. But you don't really go into this with an open mind, do you? I don't expect anyone here to be less indoctrinated by the overwhelming hatred and distrust that the rest of the world has towards transpeople. You are inclined not to believe us in the EXACT way that men are inclined not to believe a woman is actually a lesbian. You are part of that huge thing. You can color it all in with feminist rhetoric and make it special because you think we are killing the butches or some shit, but the bottom line is that you believe you know who we really are better than we do. That is nothing new or special.

    I do *expect* adults to have some level of accountability to themselves. I expect people to do their due diligence when they find themselves preoccupied with breeding hatred and mistrust for a group of people. I expect people to ask themselves, after a certain point, why they are so drawn to spending their energy in this particular direction. Rather than, say, at least 1000 other worthy pursuits that would actually be good for the world. Why? You owe that to yourselves.

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  24. The thing is that alot of those YouTube trans people are actually teenagers. How do you expect them to behave? Christ, I can't even watch that shit-it makes me cringe. I also don't hang out with the teenagers on my street or on the bus. Why? Because they are annoying, self-involved, dramatic, awkward, petty, and silly. And they care about shit that I don't care about. I would never try and deflect attention from the trans YouTubers but I seriously question whether you are actually accepting dorky kids to be representative of a group that spans entire generations. Actually I question how you can stand to watch that shit at all.

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  25. The fact many are teenagers is my point.

    I do not blame them nor hold them in any contempt. Its this -

    A young girl asked this question with her posted photo for feedback from experianced ftm viewers: "Does my face look too feminine?"

    Besides advice on what to do with her eyebrows and such, was this comment : Its nothing that a little T wont fix.

    I didnt "save the link" or remember the names, because no, Im not obsessed. I have a very full life with many responsibilities. But this is disturbing to me as a person who cares about women, young girls, the very old, women in other parts of the world, women in my family, all women. Im a Feminist FFS. This is an issue that I care about now that Ive been made aware of its extent.



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  26. @12:54 who posts :

    "You are inclined not to believe us in the Exact way men that men are inclined not to believe a woman is actually a lesbian."

    The above statement is so foundationally weak and full of holes that I re post it here for to be read again.

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  27. My god dirt you're really grasping at straws these days. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Stop fantasizing about Sheila Jeffrey's twat long enough to realize that you've become as bad an oppressor as any man ever was. You're disgusting, and the reason many people laugh at second wave feminism.

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  28. @anon 8:23..

    Historically, Feminism has always been trivialized by stupid people.

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  29. PS,

    And Thanks for turning tons of young readers on to the badass brilliance of Dr Sheila Jeffreys Awesome!

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  30. Sheila Jeffreys and her feminazi faithful. Real, confident lesbian women know how to promote true feminism without making disparaging remarks about other communities. This radfem bullshit just makes you all look like a bunch of sour puss, outcast women who aren't confident enough in who they are not to tear others down. Poor women.

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  31. 3:35 WAIT!....

    Did you just write FEMINAZI up there, ala RUSH LIMBAUGH?????

    WOWIE!

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  32. With regards to myself and the sheila jefferys comments:

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2014/08/butchfemme-radfem-thierstory.html

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/09/radfem-absence-of-feminism-presence-of.html

    http://rictornorton.co.uk/social26.htm

    Its important to look before you leap.

    dirt

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  33. I've got it. Finally. Transnazi.got quite the ring to it, don't you think?

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  34. @ Dirt

    Yes Thank You for the deeper delve - as always.

    As for tagging the word nazi on any one or group, its not a good idea. Im not the most politically correct person but, when nazi is applied by any one to anyone it stops any possible communication.

    A demonizing hyperbole made famous by Rush Limbaugh isn't anything I would have in my vocabulary.

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  35. If you are going to repost my statement, which you describe as foundationally weak AT LEAST COPY IT CORRECTLY. Braniac.

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  36. 3:33, My point was intact, despite a irrelevantly executed typing mishap. To try to deflect that point is petty and weak. So since you brought it up again, with caps in your post for emphasis and everything..
    Explain your theory? I await your enlightenment, with enthusiasm!
    I was very careful not to make a typo so I hope this post meets with your intellectual standards.
    Waiting here to read your theory!

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  37. @ 3:33..

    Because there were so many incredible moments of laser like insight in your January 30, 12:54 post, to help reiterate let me quote the portion again that I would be interested in having you explain :

    "You are inclined not to believe us in the EXACT way that men are inclined not to believe a woman is actually a lesbian. You are part of that huge thing."

    Could you please expound on this analogy?

    Instead '@ date/times' for clarity - I'll henceforth refer to you as That Huge Thing, K?
    Im sure you don't mind..

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  38. THT for short! ( ;

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  39. @January 29, 2015 at 1:20 AM

    It makes me wonder if this blog is the collected misery of those who *would* transition if they thought they could pass.

    If I decided to mutilate my female body and pump it full of synthetic hormones, I might be able to "pass" as a "man", but what is the point? Doesn't "pass" imply that people know deep down in their hearts that they aren't what who they say they are. "Passing" implies a certain amount of either disingenuous fakery, or naïve wishing. I'm "passing" basically says I'm pretending to be something I know I'm not, but I hope I fool enough people.

    In case you are wondering, my hips are about average size for a woman. The reason I refuse to mutilate my female body has nothing to do with hip size, or whether or not I think I could "pass". I have no need to "pass" as something that I know I'm not, or ever will be. Being a woman is an honor, and my female body is beautiful, complex, and glorious just the way it is.

    I wonder if Nancy Verlhest would still be alive today if she wasn't pushed into "transitioning" and "passing".

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  40. You are inclined not to believe us (transgender) in the EXACT way that men are inclined not to believe a woman is actually a lesbian.

    WTF? This has to be the strangest thing I've read in a long time.

    Seriously, WTF does this mean? How do men view lesbians, and how do men who "identify as women" view lesbians? It's basically the same sexist attitude, but it's "progressive" and cool when it's coming trans.

    This is from the same people who gave us the "Cotton Ceiling" in which lesbians are branded bigots for not wanting penis on a pre-op transwoman. Many men believe that lesbians secretly want their dick. The "Cotton Ceiling" is just another version of it.

    MTFs JUST LIKE MEN

    While "T" can make FTMs aggressive, and sometimes sexist, they are still female and socialized as female. I seriously doubt that FTMs would have anything like the "Cotton Ceiling" to shame straight women into sleeping with them.

    As to FTMs (females), they might drop the dreaded lesbian label if they "transition", but no female will ever be male, or experience male sexual pleasure the way a biological male does. So, they are still female and in a relationship with a woman. Even in their deluded and naïve minds they must know they will never experience sexual pleasure the way a man does. Never call them lesbians because it hurts their feelings. Even if they were a lesbian before "transitioning", never, never call them lesbian again. We must go along with the politically correct charade.

    In Iran, gay men and lesbians get their genitals mutilated and told that they really are members of the opposite sex. It sure beats being executed for being homosexual. In Iran, it's more or less through coercion. I suppose in the U.S. it's primarily caused by delusional thinking, and a zillion and one trans websites and blogs.

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    1. Hey, hold on: ever thought that maybe a trans man could be bisexual or pansexual, or asexual altogether (for example; this is "including, but not limited to" in terms of sexual orientation)? or that he might not be ashamed of liking whomever he likes? even if he's called "gay" for being with another man? and being therefore vulnerable to homophobic attacks?

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  41. Didn't fat, obnoxious Rush Limbough coin the term "feminazi".

    When trans folks call a woman a "feminazi", it's cool...

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  42. Question:

    Did Rush Limbaugh or an angry, sexist trans person say this,

    Sheila Jeffreys and her feminazi faithful.

    Damn Feminazi....

    Sometimes it's hard to tell because they sound a lot alike. Under both Rush Limbaugh misogynist beliefs and the current trans thought police, women who don't do as they say are "feminazis".



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  43. Point taken 5:14
    Yeah I'm getting pretty sick of the pushy manly crap that they clumsily practice . Adopting male buffoonery as a character value. Wtf.
    Buffoons.

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  44. What's so great about passing?

    I was just dating a F to M who passes perfectly. 'He' spends his time hanging out with mostly straight, mysogenistic men who have no clue that 'he' is really a she.

    'He' apes them and absorbs more and more of their hatred and bad attitudes.

    I knew 'him' before T and 'he' (she passed then too) was androgynous and beautiful with a capital B. Now he seems just like any run of the mill guy and has become a serious abuser to boot.

    When I broke it off I heard that he was ranting to his friends that it didn't work because I was demanding he cut off his (imaginary) dick and balls (not true of course) and become my lesbian lover. His friends no doubt agreed that I was mad.

    Who is the crazy one here?

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  45. Just let people be happy with themselves, stop outting and hating on people, dirt

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  46. You all disgust me. WTF is wrong with you guys. Did your parents not give you enough love? I'm here to tell you they gave you too much. Your father should have left you in a tissue wad.

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  47. How do you "Out" those who have already presented themselves publicly on a global media level?

    The misinterpretation shown by trans critique of this blog, is it ignorance or desperate manipulation? So many posts of epic projection and pathological rampage. It reminds me of borderline personality disorder behaviors.

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  48. You all go way beyond a critique of transpeople. You can call me she all day long and it won't matter, but you try and attack our characters. As if there is something wrong with us as people outside of our transition or causing our transition. That's hate. That's predjudice. So when less mature trans individuals get angry and lash back at you, you feign shock about how angry and violent we are. I can't imagine any behavior more pathetic and less deserving of respect. There's not a single one of you with any accountability.The moral relativity must drive you completely insane! You should at least be able to expect that if you goad a people with hatred and disrespect, that's what you'll get in return. I'm not accepting any of your false victimhood, you dim
    - witted squawking harpies.

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  49. 1:20

    Are you aware that resorting to an ad hominem in discussion can have the effect of conceding defeat?

    I'm not experiencing "feigned shock"...wtf?

    Im not experiencing real 'shock' either.

    The victimhood comment really seems like more projection.

    1:20 your comments would be taken more seriously if it appeared you comprehend what you critique.

    Otherwise you aren't making any real impact, unless all you are really after are some hi fives from your pals which could very well be the case, if so well you just go for it ( ;

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  50. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/6/florida-bill-seeks-to-set-bathroom-rules-for-trans-people.html

    Finally. Someone protecting women-born-women. Brace yourself. Here comes some fertilizer from the Men With Fake Tits.

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  51. "Sheila Jeffreys and her feminazi faithful."

    I guess that inludes me. Wake up, sisters (and brothers). Nazi, schmazi...

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  52. Unlike males who get hormones and surgeries to appear more feminine, these females never get lucky.
    Males, if given the right height, small frame, feet and hand size; they can completely pass. As the males in miss international queen, miss tiffany's and the likes. Or famous m2t as Harisu or Lee Si-Yeon. But ALL f2t never have such luck. They never get bigger hands, bigger feet, squared jaws, skull bossing, bigger frames, get taller or have their curved noses not curved. No, they just age really fast, most get bald and extremely hairy, while still looking female.
    Not all men get bald, not all men are ultra hairy, men don't age so fast! And men don't have such helium like voices!

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    1. I have never seen a MTT "pass" as a "woman." Your examples still don't pass with visible Adam's apples, and so forth.

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  53. The article and hatefilled feminazis/hyperfeminist lesbians here is exactly why so many men, transmen, and ladies who are not lesbians do not have anything to do with lesbians and feminism. You look like the KKK, a real hate group. But what you do is make people FEAR you, and thus not support anybody who is similar to you. You are hurting your group not transgender people.

    But your desire to hurt them, that shows you need mental health meds STAT!

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    1. I am Trans... hypermasculin and a proud feminists. It has helped me so much feel comfortable with my feminine side... which is incredible for me. I feel like growing up I never knew what that even meant. Being masculine came very easy to me. Must be the odd hard wiring of my brain that lead me to transitioning in the first place. Most people on here are just misinformed. This blog isn't meant for Trans folk it is meant more closeted self hating butch lesbians lol no I have no idea. I just remember how I used to be before I transitioned and the terrible things I used to say about Trans people. So I can relate. My job is to shed some light. Some people are just so quick to make assumptions. Anyways, it is so much easier to spread equality of women when I get to hear all the sexist crap. I feel like a spy. A very sneaky spy turning men into feminist 1 guy at a time.

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  54. No one spend this much time talking about Trans people without being in the closet.

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  55. Im a manwith a very wide pelvic bone no matter how skinny ir fat I get. I also have gynecomastia and a smaller than usual waist for a man my size. I have broad shoulder though.
    It took me a long time to be ok with it.

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    1. That's my configuration too (and sorry ladies, I'm gay). The few times some guy has commented about my form while we're getting undressed I simply ask "do you want to fuck or talk?" and that takes care of the chit chat.

      This site seems to be for angry lesbians who want to talk about pointless divisive stuff when you could be fucking. Goddamnit, FOCUS!

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  56. I find it annoying that the post continuously refers to trans men as "trans females" and then uses the female names of all of these men, even though they have a chosen first name. It's really offensive, you shouldn't do that. A man is a man, not a trans female. Stop insisting on focusing on the assigned sex.

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  57. I barely even know what these circles are supposed to be showing. You could be circling random men's hips for all I know. Trans people aren't going to stop transitioning just because they can't change their bone structure. They are happier after transitioning than they were before. Regardless of that, there is a wide amount of diversity in human body shapes. People have hips of all shapes and sizes no matter their sex assigned at birth.

    I understand why you are so preoccupied with this issue. People are feeling uncomfortable with their bodies and you want to help them accept themselves rather than change. That makes sense. This is not the way to go about it. This comes off as shaming trans men for their bodies.

    Being trans is about several different issues. Some of it is about the body, some of it is about the presentation, some of it is the way we are treated, and some of it is the words that are used to refer to us. I think it is wonderful that you are able to overcome the societal stereotypes based on your genitalia and accept yourself, but to other people, that feels like giving in to what society wants to label you. To some people, other things matter more than their natural genitalia, and are happier when moving away from the labels given them based on those genitalia.

    I definitely sympathize with your concern here. There is a very real issue when it comes to the way society treats genitals. But I think there are ways to encourage acceptance of one's own body without targeting trans people. We suffer from this just as much as you. This is not a loving way to encourage feeling comfortable with having a vagina. This will not make a questioning trans person realize, "Oh, maybe my big hips aren't so bad... hey, in fact, maybe I don't mind calling myself a lady!" It will only make them feel hopeless about their future, as though the body they wish to be in will never be accomplished. You may even push someone to suicide. I strongly ask that you find a different way to communicate your message.

    -Zephyr (they/them)

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    1. The suicide of trans people is likely to happen after transition, because they see, it wasn't how the thought and felt mutilated and betrayed. If somebody will commit suicide for a random post in a random blog in the internet, well, it's not fault of the author and if you feel triggered for every fucking shit someone else says, to the point in thinking to take your life, you are really mentally ill and need help ASAP. Stop your bullshit.

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  58. What the fuck is this horse shit?

    First of all, shame on you for dishing out the VERY SAME bullshit that any fucking lesbian-hating asshole ever heaped onto you onto trans people!

    It's LGBTQ because we united AGAINST THE HATE that gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans and queer people have been subjected to for forever. Check your history. We're an "US" against people who have hated/harmed/murdered one subgroup of us or another.

    What is this shit of hate coming at us from the inside? Are you seriously fucking attacking trans people and fantasizing that you're not?

    Clearly, it's no mystery that I am trans. As pissed off as I am about your post, I come from an inclusive, LGBTQ-loving, FEMALE LOVING point of view. Not for a single second have I ever lumped women or lesbians into some corner so I could pummel the shit out of them with harmful assumptions and judgements. I love my lesbian sisters. Try loving your brothers in return.

    God damnit.

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    1. God damn it is right, but not the way you mean it. There is no "LBGTQUIIAA+ community" and if you think there is, you're not paying attention. Or, perhaps in your case, you're trans, so you're one of the ones trampling all over lesbian rights, so you think it's all flowers and sunshine out there. It's not. If you actually loved lesbians, you would already know this. Don't mistake critical thinking for "hate". It's not. Shame on you for not knowing the difference.

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  59. In my opinion, there is a lot wrong with this article. How something so short can be filled with so much error, is beyond me. Cisgendered people should not speak on trans issues, especially if their knowledge is this limited. Hips do not decide someone's gender, and as previous commentators have mentioned, there are cis men with wider hips and trans men with more narrow hips. It really comes down to genes. Also there is "Body contouring" that is an option for transmen to make the body appear more masculine, and to appear as the "male stereo type" or as close as possible. Furthermore, transMEN never want to be referred to as women, nor do they want to be called by their birthnames and pronouns. Please be respectful enough to use preferred names and pronouns. Also, how would you like it if someone took pictures of you and circled things you didnt like about yourself, and publish it on the internet? Something tells me you wouldnt be too fond of that, so also please show that courtesy to others. Stop using your blog as a means to intimidate and transmen and to undermine their masculinity and make them feel like they can never be real men. They deserve better.

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    1. Give it a rest. Have you ever heard of free speech? This blog is optional reading; if you don't like it, don't read it. Words are not violence. If someone is "intimidated" by reading words, then they have a lot more issues than the normal person. As far as contouring, sure, there's liposuction and exercise...but you can't change bone structure.

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  60. I just want to clarify that these are not trans women. Trans women are mtf, or also known as male to female. These men are ftm, female to male. They are trans MEN, not women. They are not 'she's' unless they specified that they are so. Yes, while trans men will still retain some womanly characteristics, they are still men. You use their pre-t names, and call them she's. While you might not see a problem with that, these people may not be comfortable with you calling them that. It's disrespectful to undermine someone like that. I know you might be trying to help, or to sympathyze with trans MEN. Though please, if you are doing something like this, do your research. The sky is not purple, and the grass is not blue. You could blantanly say things such as this, and people who do not know any better will take your word for it. RESEARCH. As a trans activist, and as I am trying to find myself in this world, not only I, but other people would appreciate it if you did.

    Thank you-

    A possible trans person

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  61. There is so much transphobic shit and stupidity on this page... it's making me cringe BIG Time.. like guys who THE FUCK GIVES A FUCKING SHIT?! People are people.. some people you wanna have sex with, others you don't... let people transition and do their own thing. Their not forcing ANYTHING on you.. if they correct you with a Pronoun than use the pronoun they want.. like honestly guys who the fuck cares it's just saying "oh my name is Trisha.. not Tracy" like honestly who gives a fucking shit?! Just respect people

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  62. They're trans-men not trans-women. You don't really sound like any kind of authority. You just started a blog to spout your ignorance.

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    1. Reading IS fundamental. Trans FEMALES! If you cannot use proper biological terms your comment/s WILL be removed.

      dirt

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  63. The one thing that is almost universal amongst people who transition is how HAPPY they are.

    So you can believe what you want. It won't affect their happiness.

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    1. The universal truth about happy/content people is and has always been,they dont feel the ongoing need to going around telling everyone how happy they are. Transition has the HIGHEST number of suicides among the mentally ill, superseding Anorexia. Fact.

      dirt

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    2. And perhaps part of the reason that they are lured into suicide is due to people across all aspects of their lives (not just online) being hateful. Just saying. Transfolk who are widely accepted in their immediate social circles are far happier and have far lower suicide rates.

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    3. Did it ever occur to you that bigotry such as the kind you are spouting with this blog post, lack of support, being made to feel like a freak... that this is what goes into the high suicide rate?

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  64. Why should it matter if trans men have 'female' shaped hips. They still identify as male and who the hell really takes that much notice of someone's hips anyway? Having 'female' hips doesn't change who these guys are on the INSIDE. It's like saying that someone with no legs isn't 'normal.' Get a life.

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  65. wtf...???? ahhaha i just found this blog and omg. why are the gays hating on transpeople??? like leave them alone please. is PRIDE not a thing anymore??? The rainbow?? The comunity?? lol this is so stupid

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  66. "Trans females will ALWAYS possess and reflect wider hips than men, no matter their size/shape/athleticism before transition.". Because medical science *never ever* progresses... genius observation. In <20 years, mark my word, people will be able to free themselves to change everything to match cis bodies in order perfectly to fit their cognitive identity. Deal with it. Nice touch with the "trans females" misgendering nonsense, but it gives away the loaded agenda before even reading this 4th grade show-and-tell, that really demonstrates nothing in the field of gender theory. Hip surgery for trans men will be made available eventually as Necessity "gives birth to" (since wides hips according to the blog writer mean something needs to be given birth), Invention.

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  67. if you're trying to convince us not to transition, you're failing - all these photos have proved to me is that you can have 'feminine' hips and still look rad as fuck and masculine! :)

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