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Saturday, February 8, 2014

The Trans Politic and the Eradication of Biology

A comment from a few days ago...

First, any parent consenting to any aspect of transition, isnt a show of support, it is an acknowledgment of homophobia/lezbophobia, even if the child is straight.

Second and more to the point I wish to address, science worked diligently both morally and immorally for many centuries to arrive at and document the very basics of the sexed genetics of male/female. When the eugenic homophobic practice of transition in its infancy began in the 1930's, attempting to transition a masculine intersexed person into resembling a Gender Straight Jacketed female of the day (whom died from botched surgeries btw) it piqued the twisted cock response of female fetishizers far and wide.

In less than two decades female fetishizers employed society's/the medical community's homophobic fears/anxieties utilizing all three as it inched toward new masturbatory highs via transition. As these white straight men played the system, fabricating their homosexual natures, small numbers of actual gays and lesbians were being caught in flourishing transition bear traps. For the next twenty years female fetishizers used under ground snail mail groups and similar means to reach each other with the homosexual blueprint to medical transition.

Thence came the Stonewall rebellion that birthed an angry powerful we're-mad-as-hell-and-not-going-to-take-it anymore Gay and Lesbian Movement. And in less than four short years that movement forced the medical community to remove homosexuality from the DSMIII as a mental illness. The Gay and Lesbian Movement proved itself worthy of normality and some basic human rights. Gay and Lesbian money, work, blood, sweat and tears continued to pave the way for visibility and hopes of tolerance and equality. Our voices grew louder and female fetishizing groups took notice. In less than ten years from Stonewall, female fetishizing groups pressured larger gay and lesbian groups to add them to their/our movement. Siting those few gays and lesbians the transition nets captured while transitioning horny female fetishizers as a link to our "common" needs/goals etc.

Thirty some odd years later, not only have gay and lesbian needs been subsumed into the Trans Politic, but that Politic has rewritten common sense biology to such extremes that our gay and especially lesbian youths believe man can be bought off a shelf for the right price. The Trans Politic aka female fetishizers had no voice, masturbated in girls or women's clothes in the dark and in last century went largely unheard.

In the short time they latched onto the Gay and Lesbian Movement they have bullied gays and lesbians from the political arena, forced their way into lesbian spaces, encouraged gays and lesbians to transition in order to justify their own disordered thinking, put their cock issues over basic human rights and the needs of gays and lesbians, helped to pass the legal transitioning of gay and lesbian children, in some Nietzsche-like way declared BIOLOGY IS DEAD, and continue to legally bulldoze the legal system with erections of laws based on dangerous Gender Straight Jacketed behaviour aimed at giving these fetishizing males full masturbatory access to whatever few private female spaces there are left. Because once biology is legally struck down, expect soon to be sharing a public shower with a male stranger, dick optional.

Something to think about...in the Twilight Zone.

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  1. I think you're putting too much blame on the non-gay transitioners.

    There is enough homophobia, and lesbophobia, and sexism out there to make people want to transition.

    Throw in videos making it look cool to teens and "experts" who promote earlier transitions and you have a disaster in the making.

    What we really need is more honest talk about the side-effects and problems with transition up front. Before kids watch a video of someone's time-lapsed transition set to music, how about looking at surgery? how about reading about strokes and hormones?

    It's like smoking and advertising in the bad old days.

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  2. I also wonder if these girls who want to be boys, also want to become bold middle aged men. Being a boy is totally different then beging an old man.
    Because after years of transitions, that's how they end up.
    In the beginning of the transition it all looks so cool. But when the changes stop, the attention they get also stops.
    Look at Charles Asher now. She used to be one of the first F2T on Youtube and now she just looks like a boring old bold man. Nothing exciting at all and she kinda got forgotten.
    I do think that many girls go for the thrill and all the excitement, but that they don't realize the life time effects.
    The chance that they regret it in time is big. It's such a waste of healthy young girls. :(

    Big

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  3. ^^Big.
    but as a cis woman youd get lots of attention to how "fit" and "hot" you look whilst you're young, eg. 15-35yrs old. Then you get old and wrinkly and saggy. If U were a hawt milf you might get attention from us younger lads, but unless we were looking to accumulate a vast amount of LAD-points we wouldn't touch your old stinky f*annies XD
    so therefore this is kinda irrelevant. Nobody really stays sexy forever!

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  4. LAD points? I swear, Gender-obsession is the controlling factor of the trans universe. So openly sexist too!

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  5. Still there’s a huge difference between the 2 – 4 years an ftm gets, or the 15-25 years everyone else gets. C. Asher looks like a paunchy, old bald guy. She compromised her health for “looks” and it’s a sad, artificial result, and not the vibrant young man she wishes to be.
    Germany

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  6. Dirt--with all the messages and/or hate mail you receive from young transitioners, I wonder if you've noticed any pattern of low levels of literacy? I do realize that my question might sound offensive to some, but, still, I really want to check my perceptions on what I see as a possible correlation. That is, if low literacy, itself, may be a contributing factor to such profound confusion.

    What I'm hearing/seeing in these emotional messages from young trans people is that they simply refuse to be denied what they desire at this very moment: "you can't tell me what to do!" And I find it disturbing that a teen who cannot yet put together a coherent thought on paper, who cannot yet understand the arguments against transitioning, or rationally evaluate the rhetoric of her own subculture, is regarded as mature and thoughtful enough to take dangerous, permanently altering hormones, or put her body under the knife.

    What do you make--if anything at all--of their often shaky grasp of language, when language is a necessary tool for attempting to understand the world and oneself?

    - Morag

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  7. Morag, the spelling and grammar might just be because they are writing comments from a phone and using their thumbs to type.

    I think you are 100% right though about the rest of it. If someone can't read arguments against transition and make a coherent response, they are not ready to make a life-altering decisions about hormones and surgery.

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  8. Charly Asher is still somewhere around 30, if I'm correct. I bet she never wanted to look like an old bald man at this young age.

    Cheeky Mister,
    you totally missed my point.

    Big

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  9. I like Charles Asher.

    He started his transition about eight years ago when he was in college.

    What seems most important to me is that he is still dealing with issues like, will I always be seen as trans, you don't transition to cis, dysphoria, and feelings about having a small penis.

    Transition doesn't fix everything. You can't have whatever body you want. You may have to deal with society treating you the way it treats short bald guys or masculine-looking women.

    What if you can figure out how to deal with dysphoria before you start taking a drug that increases your risk of stroke?

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  10. Have to wonder what would happen if queer women would stop validating, dating, and sleeping with transitioning people.

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  11. It may seem more "natural" that lesbians grow old, their asses grow wide and flat, that they often become overweight. They often look more weathered than other women their age.
    That's natural, but its not attractive at all. Its
    like they know society generally finds them
    unattractive so any attempt to take care of
    themselves is pointless. As far as getting
    queer women to not date us- good luck with
    that. Love is love and you should probably
    recognize that. We are taken individually as
    people. Based on our character, sense of
    humor, intelligence, caring, hotness, whatever
    it is that we bring to the table. And to our
    partners. There will be no widespread
    rejection of us by queer partners. We might
    seem in style to someone who bases their
    self-worth on being a member of some group
    that seems to be out of style. I stand on my own identity and never relied on being trans to appeal to anyone before I got hitched. Queer women loved me because I am lovable and hot. This is true for other people too. You sound sad.

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  12. Queer women loved me because I am lovable and hot.

    I'm so lovable and hot no one can resist me. I'm talking about smoking hot! I have to beat girls off with a stick. They can't get enough of me. One day this individual will wake up and look in the mirror and see a bald headed, pudgy old fart and say, "Damn, I'm not so hot anymore". That is, if all the "T" (testosterone) and complications from various surgeries doesn't shorten their life span.

    In the words of Judge Judy, "beauty fades - dumb is forever"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhBa9N3bL2E

    Words of wisdom...dumb is forever!

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  13. Is sad these people think queer women love them because they are hot and loveable.

    We as women are conditioned from birth to save, protect, and indulge the sorry asses of men and now pseudo men. It's not love. It is conditioning.

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  14. Biology is NOT dead because the human species is dependent on the environment for its very survival and interacts with other organisms every day. Indeed, humans have different species of organisms such as bacteria living in and on us all the time. In the time span of four and a half billion years that there has been life on earth (most of the time only prokaryotes existed), humans represent only a small dot on the long timeline of life on earth. All primates are 90% genetically similar. What do we know about primates? They don't change their sex and they reproduce sexually. The same is true for virtually all mammals. Some species of fish can change their sex, and in some reptiles, temperature determines sex. Slugs and snails are hermaphrodites. How similar genetically are humans to fish or snails and slugs? Do rational people really believe they can change their sex? They certainly aren't going to change their chromosomes. Sex reassignment surgery doesn't actually change one's sex. SRS basically amounts to extensive cosmetic surgery on healthy breasts and genitals. There really is no way to completely rule out loss of sensation. Think about it. A surgeon is taking a scalpel to a person's healthy genitals. Few people realize what this really entails. To hide what is actually going on, they call it "top surgery", or "bottom surgery". In FTM "bottom surgery", or phalloplasty, a six to eight inch skin flap has to be taken from the arm, thigh, or wherever. It doesn't create a "penis" because a penis is an actual organ that is part of the male reproductive system.

    These teenage girls think they can be boys, but someone should tell them that they will never completely be male.

    As to teenagers, the prefrontal cortex, sometimes called the judgment center of the brain, isn't fully developed until the early to mid twenties. Teenagers aren't known for making rational choices. Read the post again. This is a teenager. The teenage girl in the post dirt talks about says she has been on testosterone for four months and she is sixteen years of age. She says her parents are supportive. Are children this age capable of making informed decisions? They old enough to vote, drink, or buy cigarettes, but they can take drugs that can potentially harm them. Keep in mind that physically there is nothing wrong with these children. It's basically a psychological diagnosis. We know that psychiatry has such a stellar record, especially with the lobotomies and other procedures. If this girl's future fertility is jeopardized, or her health is damaged by taking drugs at such an early age, could she sue her parents or doctors later on. In all honesty, I don't know because this is uncharted territory. I wonder if this child was given GnRH agonists for puberty suppression. The sterilization of children usually is seen as a human rights abuse.

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  15. I think you are 100% right though about the rest of it. If someone can't read arguments against transition and make a coherent response, they are not ready to make a life-altering decisions about hormones and surgery.

    February 9, 2014 at 1:10 PM


    The healthy children who are being sterilized with GnRH agonists and cross gender hormones aren't capable of making rational decisions. This is something that is being done to them. I hope to hell the doctors and parents are right. It's really insane because experts have known for some time that many children with gender dyshporia outgrow it.

    “An additional obstacle to consensus regarding treatment is the lack of randomized controlled treatment outcome studies of children with GID or with any presentation of GV (2). In the absence of such studies, the highest level of evidence available for treatment recommendations for these children can best be characterized as expert opinion. Opinions vary widely among experts, and are influenced by theoretical orientation, as well as assumptions and beliefs (including religious) regarding the origins, meanings and perceived fixity or malleability of gender identity. Primary caregivers may, therefore, seek out providers for their children who mirror their own world views, believing that goals consistent with their views are in the best interest of their children.

    The outcome of childhood GID without treatment is that only a minority will identify as transsexual or transgender in adulthood (a phenomenon termed persistence), while the majority will become comfortable with their natal gender over time (a phenomenon termed desistence) (3-6). GID that persists into adolescence is more likely to persist into adulthood (2). Compared to the general population, the rate of homosexual orientation is increased in adulthood whether or not GID was treated (2, 4). It is currently not possible to differentiate between preadolescent children in whom GID will persist and those in whom it will not. To date, no long-term follow-up data have demonstrated that any modality of treatment has a statistically significant effect on later gender identity.”

    Report of the APA Task Force on Treatment of Gender Identity Disorder Approved by the Joint Reference Committee, July 2011

    Can anyone predict with certainty that how any fifteen year old girl feels now will be the same way she feels when she is twenty five of thirty?


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  16. "Look at Charles Asher now. She used to be one of the first F2T on Youtube and now she just looks like a boring old bold man. Nothing exciting at all and she kinda got forgotten."

    Male pattern baldness is a side effect of testosterone. I suppose FTMs could pay for Hair Club for Men hair transplant or whatever. Unlike males who only pay for hair transplant once, FTMs would have to pay twice (the "T" which caused the baldness and the hair transplant to fix the baldness). Also, testosterone tends to distribute fat in more of a male like pattern. That is, with the pot belly, beer belly look if they don't exercise and watch the weight. When "T" is first started, acne can be a problem.

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  17. Can anyone predict with certainty that how any fifteen year old girl feels now will be the same way she feels when she is twenty five of thirty?

    The answer is no.

    ‘I was born a boy, became a girl, and now I want to be a boy again’: Britain’s youngest sex swap patient to reverse her sex change treatment

    October 29, 2012

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2224753/Ria-Cooper-Britains-youngest-sex-change-patient-reverse-treatment.html#ixzz2AjFa43a9

    Below is a link to a MTV video of a young man who identified as a girl and now wants to return to being a man. Also, in the MTV video, a young woman who once identified as a boy changed her mind and returned to being a girl. The young man who appears to be in his early twenties discusses having his breast implants removed. In the same MTV video, the young woman who looks like she could be in her mid-twenties is shown undergoing laser treatments to remove the facial hair that was caused by earlier testosterone use.

    http://www.mtv.com/videos/true-life-im-questioning-my-gender-again/1704884/playlist.jhtml

    Detransitioning stories are easy to run across on the internet. Transitioning essentially means the process whereby one changes his or her outward appearance to match or coincide with how one identifies or feels internally. Transitioning usually involves cross-gender hormones and surgery. Detransitioning is the opposite of transitioning, and there are numerous examples of people stopping cross-gender hormones. Testosterone is commonly referred to as “T” and FTM means female to male.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHFV7Upr52M

    http://detransition.blogspot.com/

    “I am a 22 year old woman who lived as male for 3 years and took testosterone for a year and a half. I am currently 8 months into detransition.”

    http://twentythreetimes.tumblr.com/T.

    “Anonymous asked: I’ve been off T for 5 months now. My hormones are still balancing themselves out, and as that happens I find myself discovering more and more of my inner world that I didn’t even realize I lost while on T. It’s a beautiful thing. I feel like my mental self is re-awakening and growing again. I’m so happy to re-discover the real Me that I love.”

    http://atlasstrawberries.tumblr.com/post/49896874618/ive-been-off-t-for-5-months-now-my-hormones-are-still

    “My name is -name redacted-, im 25 and i am a former FTM, also detransitioning and having a rough time through the post traumatic stress after being on testosterone, my body, my face, my feelings went all wrong on T and know im fighting to come back..”

    http://atlasstrawberries.tumblr.com/post/32054720795/happy

    http://atlasstrawberries.tumblr.com/

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  18. Adults who identify as transgender, or say they “feel trapped in the wrong body” also change their minds and revert back to the sex they were born into.

    I’m a guy again! ABC newsman who switched genders wants to switch back

    August 6, 2013

    “He thought he was a woman trapped in a man’s body — but it turns out he’s “just another boring straight guy.”

    ABC News editor Don Ennis strolled into the newsroom in May wearing a little black dress and an auburn wig and announced he was transgender and splitting from his wife. He wanted to be called Dawn.

    But now he says he suffered from a two-day bout of amnesia that has made him realize he wants to live his life again as Don”.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/guy_again_eKq3Jw6LjgsjpBdmZklrtM

    In 2012, there was an incident in the UK in which a physician was investigated for not following established guidelines in prescribing cross gender hormones and referring unsuitable patients for sex reassignment surgery. One woman regretted undergoing a double mastectomy.

    Doctor under fire for alleged errors prescribing sex-change hormones

    “Dr. Richard Curtis is under investigation following complaints over treatment of patients seeking gender reassignment. A woman who alleges that she was inappropriately prescribed sex-changing hormones and then wrongly underwent a double mastectomy is one of several complaints being investigated by the General Medical Council about the doctor who oversaw her aborted gender reassignment, the Guardian has learned.

    The GMC, the doctors’ professional regulator, has received at least three separate complaints against Dr. Richard Curtis, a London GP who specialises in the treatment of gender dysphoria, particularly transsexualism. The complaints concern the alleged inappropriate administering of sex-changing hormones to patients and at least one allegedly unsuitable referral for gender reassignment surgery.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/06/transexualism-gender-reassignment-richard-curtis

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  19. @ Morag,

    Well said...

    I'm not so much concerned about grammar as much as the ability to reason and weigh one's options.

    Any mother knows that teenagers make rash decisions. They think they know everything, but they don't. Teenagers are impulsive. Part of this is based on science. The prefrontal cortex often referred to the judgment center of the brain isn't fully developed until the early to mid twenties.

    "Insights into how the brain works have already greatly influenced the law as it relates to children. In the 2005 case of Roper v. Simmons, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that capital punishment for minors was unconstitutional, reversing the death sentence for Christopher Simmons, who killed a woman when he was 17. Groups of scientists sent in "friend of the court" briefs outlining the current state of psychology and neurology research, demonstrating, in part, that the brain does not finish developing until our early 20s."

    http://www.ucop.edu/sciencetoday/article/18977

    Kids can't vote until they are 18, and buy alcohol until they are 21. Children who are given GnRH agonists which can cause infertility and other health risks aren't capable of making informed decisions. Healthy children should never get synthetic hormones or GnRH agonists. This is happening to children based on a questionable psychological diagnosis. The fact that these children feel different doesn't mean that they have the metal capacity to weigh all their options and make informed decisions. Besides, there is no way of predicting which children will outgrow gender dysphoria.

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  20. It may seem more "natural" that lesbians grow old, their asses grow wide and flat, that they often become overweight. They often look more weathered than other women their age.
    Do lesbians age differently than other women? What a bizarre statement. I think how one ages has more to do with heredity and environment. But obviously this person thinks that by pretending to be male she's escaping the Dreadful Lesbianism!

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  21. I think your average person only notices the Lesbains who look like what they expect a Lesbian to look like. But the reality is, most of them look just like straight women, and so don't get noticed out running around in society. Lesbians don't age any differently than other women.
    But the women taking "t" do seem to have a faster aging process, it looks noticable to me after about 4-5 years. But what they are doing to themselves is an extreme stress on their bodies, so I guess it's understandable.
    Germany

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  22. Actually transition didn't help me escape being bisexual. But transition was about me and my body, how I feel. Not about sexuality. Heh, only gay people try to force everything to be about being gay. The rest of do have some more mental space for other concerns. That is one benefit to being slightly less immersed in queer culture that I will cop to enjoying.

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  23. transition didn't help you escape being 'bisexual' (most ftm's even starting as dykes end up wanting dick exclusively anyway from what I've seen) but (you're the one who was saying how ugly dykes are, right?) I suppose most people won't see you as one of those barfy lesbos due to your disguise
    I personally am not involved with gay or 'queer' community but it is clear that trans see everything through a distorted 'gender' filter

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  24. But obviously this person thinks that by pretending to be male she's escaping the Dreadful Lesbianism!

    February 10, 2014 at 8:17 AM


    "Transitioning" is a more refined and politically correct form of gay and lesbian eugenics. The medical profession has been experimenting on homosexuals for decades. We are supposed to believe that lesbian phobia plays no role whatsoever in a female's decision to abandon her female identity and get her boobs lopped off. All we have to do is ask ourselves who has more social status and privilege. Is it males or females? Who is more marginalized? Is it heterosexuals or lesbians?

    In a world in which girls are so universally devalued, there is no way to completely distinguish between internalized misogyny and "gender dysphoria".

    "Transitioning" allows girls to dump the female and lesbian label.

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  25. transition didn't help you escape being 'bisexual' (most ftm's even starting as dykes end up wanting dick exclusively anyway from what I've seen)

    The reason they do this is because "T" increases the sex drive, and it's no secret that men will do just about anyone. Many lesbians don't want to date a transman, and most women like to be wooed and courted instead of quick sex. Who is left if the "T" increases the sex drive and they don't have a steady girlfriend? Some FTMs end up with queer identified men or bisexual or gay men. A heterosexual man wants a woman, and gay men want penis. The FTMs who still like men usually end up with queer or bi men.

    Every FTM I've known was interested in women. They either had a girlfriend, or was in a relationship with a woman. Some are bisexual. They call it pansexual. As to wanting dick, it's no secret that "T" (testosterone) can increase the libido. Their sexual desire sort of mimics how a male reacts. If they don't have a girlfriend and want quick sex, FTMs will turn to gay men or some guy. FTMs who have sex with men call themselves "gay" as in gay man which is really ridiculous considering the fact that gay men want penis. Truth be told, most FTMs are lesbian or bisexual women who got their boobs lopped off. I don't care if it offends anyone, it's true. Some turn to males, and when they are involved with a man, they call themselves "gay". In reality, they are just women who still want penis every now and then.

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  26. Every time we humans try to prove we are smarter than mother nature, she inevitably ends up smaking us along side the head to get out attention. This is our history.

    What we really need is more honest talk about the side-effects and problems with transition up front. Before kids watch a video of someone's time-lapsed transition set to music, how about looking at surgery? how about reading about strokes and hormones?

    It's like smoking and advertising in the bad old days.


    It wasn't that long ago that cigarettes were advertised on televsion. When I was at the local public library not long ago, I checked out a very old DVD about the history of tobacco use. In one of these old black and white commericals, some actors playing the role of doctors said that such and such a brand was "milder", and it was implied that this was actually better for your health. I don't think they were actual physicians, but they played the role of doctors to advertise tobacco use. Some tobacco companies even had the nerve to say that a certain brand of cigarettes was "preferred by doctors". In one old black and white t.v. program, there was even an actor playing a doctor. After the doctor was finished treating a patient, he stepped into the hallway and lit up a cigarette. This was in the hallway of a hospital.

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  27. But obviously this person thinks that by pretending to be male she's escaping the Dreadful Lesbianism!

    True, and this is the elephant in the living room so to speak. We know it's happening and we know it's there, but everyone politely pretends it doesn't exist. There is something going on, and it's largely culturally based.

    If we look at history, it's only been one way. That is, some ghoulish procedure, therapy, or whatever to change homosexuals into straight people. There has never been an instance in which straight people were "treated" and supposedly converted into homosexuals.

    FTMs get to dump their female identity and, if they are primarily attracted to women, the dreaded lesbian label. How can people not see that this would be inticing in that it's a step up in social standing.

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  28. As a gay man this F2T fad is really weird. A loss of butch lesbians due to misogyny and a very odd bunch of het women who have a fascination with gay men/culture. Some call themselves girlfags (just as offensive as het men calling themselves guydykes imo) but we have women believing they are gay men. No, I don't believe any 100% gay male wants a hormonally and surgically butchered woman, tbh you can tell 9 times out of ten that they just look like butch lesbians with facial hair (I don't mean offensive but the facial structure and muscle+fat distribution is a direct giveaway).

    End this trans fad accept our bodies like lesbians and gays do. certainly do not expect us to do your political bidding which is antigay, antilesbian and antiwomen.

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  29. ^^^^ Hells yea! anon 742 ^^^^
    thats some real shit.

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  30. Excuse me while I cry myself to sleep over one 100% gay man who isn't into me. There are plenty of people who are. Personally, I don't want into your pants or your vapid,
    narcissistic culture of addicts and alcoholics. Love is love and plenty of us have it in our lives. If you are on this list posting your sick hate, I'm doubting you are getting any real love from your celebrated "100% gay" men. Pathetic.

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  31. 10:17,
    if you feel that way, PLEASE help us work on separating the T from the LGB

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  32. and how is wishing people would accept their bodies an example of 'sick hate?'

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  33. "@e, if you feel that way, PLEASE help us work on separating the T from the LGB

    February 13, 2014 at 12:23 PM"

    Yes, before every last butch lesbian is "transitioned". Stop pretending that a more subtle but just as deadly form of gay and lesbain eugenics is going on under our noses. People choose to ignore it, but it should be obvious to anyone who has the courage to look around an ask questions.

    They have been riding the political coat tails of the GLB for way too long. They don't care how many youn butch lesbians are "transitioned" and end up taking "T" for the rest of their lives. Effiminate boys are also subject the the trans delusion. They get slapped with a label "gender dysphoria" or trans at age six or seven. When they start puberty, they are prescribed GnRH agonists followed by cross gender hormones at age sixteen. What do the experts say about these young kids? Most of them will eventuall grow out of "gender dysphoria", and the likely outcome in adulthood is homosexuality of bisexuality.

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  34. @e and how is wishing people would accept their bodies an example of 'sick hate?'

    February 13, 2014 at 12:25 PM


    Like any good marketing campaign, they hide the actual violence being carried out on the female sex by words such as "top surgery" and "bottom surgery". These are ghastly procedures by anyone's definition.

    We are told that there isn't hatred involved in the mutilation of perfectly healthy female breasts and genitals. If the sex reassignment doesn't work, they can always go to Belgium. Doctors there euthanized a severely depressed woman who opted for euthanasia because the botched sex reassignment surgery made her more depressed.

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  35. @February 11, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    Thanks for the post. It kind of goes like this. When it is to their advantage, trans activists demand that gay men and lesbians work "togther", and it's like we are all in the same boat. Kumbaya, peace, brotherhood, etc., yada yada yada. Then, trans activists will turn on a dime if they think the GLB don't put their interests first. In reality, transgender activist have been very slick in the way that they have colonized the GLB. They really isn't anything that they haven't shamelessly co-opted. They co-opted intersex individuals. Intersex is not the same as transgender, but they don't care. They have gone out of their way to systematically appropirate feminism. Misogyny has historically meant discrimination based on sex. That is old school, and the dump ass dykes and feminists had better get with it. Misogyny is taking a back seat to trans-misogyny. Although silly liitle things like voting rights and reproductive health care are the result of feminists, according to trans folks, these dinosaurs just need to die off. They actually call second wave feminists "dinosaurs" who should just die off. These are the women who gave us rape crisis centers and abortion rights. Get rid of all of this because "trans-feminism" will lead all the bitches. If it's not about "women" who have a penis and all the hormones and surgery they need, it's not feminism.

    Trans activists also shamelessly appropriate two spirit people. What in the heck does a white, middle-aged cross dressing autogynephile have to do with native tribes and cultures?

    There isn't anything they won't co-opt because deep down in their hearts they know their whole existence lacks history and substance.

    There is no such thing as trans-misogyny or trans-feminism. Trans activists have no right to take what does not belong to them. I'm not saying that trans folks don't experience discrimination, but not in the same manner as women experience it. Come up with your own words to describe your own experiences.

    Again, transgender activists are in the process of colonizing gay and lesbian politics. They do this even when they know that many of the little gender non-conforming children who are slapped with a label of "trans" at age five or six would likely grow up to be gay or lesbian. That is, if they were left alone.

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  36. End this trans fad accept our bodies like lesbians and gays do. certainly do not expect us to do your political bidding which is antigay, antilesbian and antiwomen.

    February 11, 2014 at 7:42 PM


    Well said...

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  37. The history of transgender is only around 100 years old,and is clearly documented.
    Whereas, all through history you can find evidence of Gay people, cross-dressing people,even Lesbian couples where one of them may have dressed and acted like a man out in public/workplace but that was for safety reasons and there is no indication these women, in the privacy of their home, had any problems just being women together.
    I think trans people can't (or don't want to) accept their reality of having a condition western medicine created for them, so they jump on every bangwagon imaginable - from intersex and two-spirit to (and this is the most mind-boggling)the micropenis guys . Now GLB all sort of look like nutcases because of all this wishy-washy gender language and so many kids wanting to transition. Not one trans person counts as a feminist in my book.

    Germany

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  38. Germany, talking about wishy-washy gender language, I just heard that Facebook offers more then 15 gender choices in the US. This whole gender thing is out of control, people are so keen on labels, it's unfuckingbelievable.
    People are just people and roles are just roles. If we quit labeling roles, then there's no need for people to label themselves.

    Trans-feminist is to weird for words.

    Big

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  39. Germany,

    "The history of transgender is only around 100 years old,and is clearly documented."

    So what about the Enarees, the Gallae, the earlier history of the Hijras [although not all Hijras are trans], and so on?

    - Mary

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  40. The Enarees were male cross-dressing Scythian priests. The Galli were similar priests of the goddess Cybele in Rome, who practised self-castration. All ancient sources refer to them as “Galli” (Latin) or “Galloi” (Greek). The grammatically feminine term “Gallae” with this reference is a modern coinage, by trans “scholars”.

    More germane to Mary's point might have been the Roman Emperor and flaming queen Heliogabalus, who reputedly offered vast sums to any doctor who could equip him with female genitalia. By this he clearly meant more than simply forging a front fuck-hole for men to put their cock in, something which had already been done to a few unfortunate (and thereafter short-lived) slave boys after castration. His aim appears to have been to become genuinely hermaphroditic (rather than 100% female). He was 14 when he became Emperor, and 18 when he was murdered. If the bust of him in the Capitoline Museum is to be believed, he was a real cutie to look at. His name lives on in the Spanish word “heliogábalo”, which means “glutton”. With the distinction among Roman Emperors of having received an even worse press down the ages than Nero or Caligula, he is a figure whom both gay and trans historians may (or may not) wish to reclaim.

    Regardless of any of the above, Germany's observation still stands: the medical ambition to transform a person anatomically and physiologically from a man to a woman or vice versa is a 20th century phenomenon, part of the overweening scientific conceit to which the prescient Mary Shelley alerted us in Frankenstein.

    On a separate question:
    Big, mijn liefske, I must know, what are those 15 gender categories? I've been trying to make them up, but get stuck around 9!

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  41. “... all through history you can find evidence of Gay people, cross-dressing people,even Lesbian couples where one of them may have dressed and acted like a man out in public/workplace but that was for safety reasons and there is no indication these women, in the privacy of their home, had any problems just being women together... “

    Thank you for reminding us of this, Germany. Gay people, male and female, have always “done drag”, whether for survival or to mock the gender-stratification of “straight” society or just to have fun dressing up on a Saturday night. We've used gender-inappropriate pronouns and names, sometimes to great effect: when baton-wielding male cops broke into our bar, us crying: “Oooh, get her, Lily Law!” really did make us stronger, less afraid. It's theatre, play-acting.

    In a gay club one time, a drag act came on stage, called the “Disappointer Sisters” (they were quite good, if you like that kind of thing). One of the fags with me asked: “Do you think they're really sisters?” We just looked at him, while he tried to untangle his thoughts. Theatre, play-acting, suspension of disbelief.

    My close gay-male friends are my sisters, not my “brothers”. Theatre, play-acting? Reluctant as I am to acknowledge it, yes: I could not legitimately aspire to be the “sister” of my female friends.

    Cross-dressing, cross-naming, cross-imagining have all been weapons in lesbians' and gay men's armoury for surviving in this world. That this rich and powerful resource should be hijacked in the service of the mutilation of the bodies of young dykes and faggots horrifies me.

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  42. nice, petre; thanks so much for that!

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  43. @Petre,

    Gay people, male and female, have always “done drag”, whether for survival or to mock the gender-stratification of “straight” society or just to have fun dressing up on a Saturday night.

    Transgender activists act as if they have a patent on all gender non-conformity both past and present. They do not own exclusive rights to "gender non-conformity". Some trans activists even claim that Joan of Arc was "trans" because she wore men's pants and didn't ride side saddle like women of her day. I was a tomboy when I was growing up. Now, tomboys are calling themselves "trans" and can't wait to go on "T" and get their breasts lopped off. Actually, I really don't like the term "gender non-conformity" and prefer to call it something simple like human variability, or people who go against the grain or rebel against sex based stereotypes. People have always stepped outside the boundaries of traditional sex roles, and they went by many names.

    I argue that the concept of gender which is culturally constructed needs to be abolished entirely.

    The End of Gender: Revolution Not Reform

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  44. Cross-dressing, cross-naming, cross-imagining have all been weapons in lesbians' and gay men's armoury for surviving in this world. That this rich and powerful resource should be hijacked in the service of the mutilation of the bodies of young dykes and faggots horrifies me.


    February 14, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    "Transitioning" is a new form of gay and lesbian eugenics, especially the most visible homosexuals. That is, butch lesbians and effeminate gay men.

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  45. The history of transgender is only around 100 years old,and is clearly documented."

    So what about the Enarees, the Gallae, the earlier history of the Hijras [although not all Hijras are trans], and so on?

    - Mary"

    Whether we call it gender non-conformity, cross dressing, or whatever, these people have always existed. How these people behaved and dressed can't entirely be separated from the culture in which they were raised. As Petre points out, some gay men and lesbians have always dressed in drag. It doesn't mean that they actually believed that they were the opposite sex. Then, transgender activists came along and said that anyone from the beginning of time until now who didn't adhere to particular cultural standards of "masculinity" or "femininity" must really be transgender.

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  46. Petre, I forgot most choices Facebook offers, but I do remember pansexual, trans man, androgyn and non comforming.
    It's pure nonsense made up by people, I see no value in it.
    But I do wish I was a pansaexual, asexual, lesbian man. ;)

    Big

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  47. Petre,

    "Cross-dressing, cross-naming, cross-imagining have all been weapons in lesbians' and gay men's armoury for surviving in this world."

    True. But self-castration, the use of mare's urine, which Ovid noted, and the relationships some gall-- had with women instead of men, which Martial complained about [epigram 3.81] suggest that these communities weren't just gay men and weren't just cross-dressers.

    - Mary

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  48. Mary, the sentence you quote from my post wasn't addressed to your point about the Galli. It would be wildly ahistorical to categorize these celebrants of an ecstatic oriental cult EITHER in terms of modern gay men OR the modern phenomenon of transsexualism.

    But they are a fascinating bunch, from any perspective. An interesting essay on the subject by Mary Beard, "The Roman and the Foreign: The Cult of the 'Great Mother' in Imperial Rome" can be found here:

    https://lists.lsit.ucsb.edu/archives/borderlands.religion/attachments/20090118/bfc8fa79/attachment.pdf

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  49. It would be wildly ahistorical to categorize these celebrants of an ecstatic oriental cult EITHER in terms of modern gay men OR the modern phenomenon of transsexualism.

    @Petre, I agree with this statement. The Gali were an ancient sect of eunuch priests. They willingly castrated themselves in an ecstatic celebration called the Dies sanguinis, or "Day of Blood".

    Since we are on the subject of strange ancient religious cults who require male members to cut of their own testicles out of obedience, it's been going on for some time.

    Google "Heaven's Gate". This cult was run by the nut job named Marshall Applewhite (aka Do, or whatever). He spent time in several mental institutions, and castrated himself to avoid homosexual urges. Before the cult committed mass suicide in 1997, several male members castrated themselves as a way to curtail sinful and distracting earthly pleasures.

    It was later revealed that the men and women were members of the "Heaven's Gate" religious cult, whose leaders preached that suicide would allow them to leave their bodily "containers" and enter an alien spacecraft hidden behind the Hale-Bopp comet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqSZhwu1Rwo

    New Age followers still waiting for aliens to beam them up 15 years after Heaven's Gate cult suicides left 39 people dead.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120869/Heavens-Gate-cult-committed-mass-suicide-15-years-ago.html

    "Dr. Brian Blackbourne, the San Diego County medical examiner, provided the first count of the castrations of cult members yesterday, saying that leader Marshall Herff Applewhite and seven followers had had their testicles removed."

    http://articles.philly.com/1997-04-01/news/25529322_1_cult-members-castrated-marshall-herff-applewhite


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