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Wednesday, February 26, 2014

Kelsey-Seybold Clinic Seeking Transition Info? Here? You betcha!

Thought this was interesting and worth sharing. Someone, presumably a medical person at a Kelsey-Seybold Clinic was seeking information, presumably for an (ftm) patient on detransition. The interesting thing being...1) a medical person used the internet to find medical information. 2) Said medical person sought answers for their detransition inquiries right here!

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  1. Great they're looking and I hope they can find the info here, but seriously, it's ridiculous that clinics don't know how to help people who detransition. Some people can't take hormones! Some people find it doesn't help their dysphoria!

    Doctors should be figuring this out for their patients!

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  2. Yes, they are all too eager to start people down the road to "transitioning". If people want to de-transition, it's like you're on your own.

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  3. God help them if they dont have better help than you nutjobs. Detransition is fine. The accusations and slander towards transpeople on this site could possibly get this "group" classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

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  4. @February 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    From what I gather, the SPLC was representing the adoptive parents of an intersex child that underwent surgery on his genitals when he was in the care of the state. Children do not have the mental capacity to make informed decisions.

    The sterilization of healthy children is usually viewed as a human rights abuse. The transgender community knows full well that GnRH agonists, especially when they are followed by cross gender hormones can cause infertility. GnRH agonists are given to 12 and 13 year old children.

    As we have seen with the euthanasia of the Belgian woman after the botched sex reassignment surgery, some people are too emotionally unstable for "transitioning" (surgery and hormones). She was so depressed after sex reassignment surgery that she begged a doctor to euthanize her.




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  5. @Anon at 6:08- Except that you can't find info on detransition on websites for trans people.

    What happens when you go off hormones? Should you do it gradually? Will you need to take your original-sex hormones? What kind of dose?

    What happens if you have a stroke and have to stop taking hormones? Do you have to detransition? What kind of counseling can you get?

    Who can you talk to for emotional support if you are detransitioning? Where can you find people like you? What do you have to do to change your name back?

    Why can't you find that information on sites for transpeople? Where else do you think they're going to go?

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  6. It does make you wonder, though, if a clinic is trying to figure out what to do to help someone who is detransitioning. How many doctors across the country are grappling with this question?

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  7. "Why can't you find that information on sites for transpeople? Where else do you think they're going to go?"

    Actually, we can talk to our doctors about anything regarding hormones. Non transpeople have to take hormones too. The vast majority of transpeople will probably seek some kind of medical transition. That's why there is so much information about transition. People who detransition usually AREN'T TRANS. Trans individuals will provide information to other trans individuals seeking information, but there are only a few of us who are medical professionals. Despite your paranoid, self-involved, dystopic imaginings,there is no giant TRANS clearinghouse pushing people through like Sneetches. People really should know themselves quite well before transitioning. A *mistake* is buying the wrong car or even marrying the wrong person. A "mistake" that changes your entire body, life, relationships, outlook, and how you are seen in the world is more indicative of a problematic relationship with yourself. Trans people are not responsible for others' catastrophic lack of self-knowledge. Sorry.

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  8. @February 28, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    Some women who decide to detransition are often harassed, especially if they are vocal about what "T" can do. The transgender community treats people who detransition as pariahs, or they say, "Well, they really weren't trans to begin with". It's always about silencing detransitioners one way or another.

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  9. People who detransition usually AREN'T TRANS.

    They were transgender when they were injecting the "T" (testosterone). Wait, you actually mean people can change their minds. Physicians prescribe testosterone to females because of what basically amounts to a psychological diagnosis. If the female detransitions this must mean that the psychological diagnosis was wrong to begin with.

    I knew that sooner or later they would get around to, "They weren't trans to begin with". At the time they were taking testosterone and undergoing "top surgery", etc. they truly believed they were transgender. People can change their sexual orientation too. For example, people can identify as gay, and then realize they are bisexual or straight, or vice versa. This can happen every now and then. Detransitioning involves going off cross gender hormones and/or undoing radical surgery to healthy breasts and genitals.

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  10. Non transpeople have to take hormones too.

    This is true, but there is a major difference, and I wish people would stop being so disingenuous. People who don't identify as transgender are prescribed hormones for MEDICAL reasons whereas people who identify as transgender are prescribed hormones for PSYCHOLOGICAL/CULTURAL reasons. People can and do change their gender identity. The transgender community tries to hide and silence people who detransition.

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  11. The vast majority of transpeople will probably seek some kind of medical transition. That's why there is so much information about transition.

    No, it's more like this. When 12 and 13 year old girls talk about "T", breast binding, packers, and being "pre-everything", it's primarily cultural factors at play. We know it, but people refuse to acknowledge the proverbial elephant in the living room. It's occurring, but people pretend it's not happening. It's a form of denial.

    There are youtube videos of 13 year old girls who say they are "pre-everything". "Pre-everything" basically means "T", "top surgery", etc. There are transgender websites that give away free used breast binders to girls under the age of 21.

    I whole heartedly agree that there is "so much information about transition". At least they are being honest about it. I prefer to characterize "so much information about transition" as cultural factors and/or promotion by transgender activists, "gender therapists", thousands of trans websites and blogs, and plastic surgeons.

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  12. A "mistake" that changes your entire body, life, relationships, outlook, and how you are seen in the world is more indicative of a problematic relationship with yourself. Trans people are not responsible for others' catastrophic lack of self-knowledge. Sorry.

    In other words, they admit that it's possible for a woman to regret getting her healthy breasts and genitals mutilated. If such an incident occurs and there is regret, their answer can be summarized as:

    A "mistake" (the radical alteration of healthy female reproductive systems, breasts, and genitals) "is more indicative of a problematic relationship with yourself".

    Surgeons don't cut off a person's leg because the patient has serious mental issues relating to his or her body, or is just plain emotionally damaged.

    Even after the tragic euthanasia of the Belgian woman who was so depressed after botched sex reassignment that she begged a doctor to euthanize her transgender activists went about business as usual. Transitioning as usual still continued. Why was Nancy/Nathan Verhelst transitioned? Even with a mutilated and dead body, they still don't care.

    You really have to hate the female sex to mutilate a perfectly healthy female body and then euthanize her. Gee, "mistakes" happen.

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  13. @February 28, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    Excellent questions...

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  14. "The transgender community tries to hide and silence people who detransition."

    We don't have a community, any more than gay people have a community. Yes, ex-gays exist and are probably intimidated by crazy gay people when they speak out. That doesn't mean all gay people give a shit. Ex-gays and detransitioners should not be trying to convince others to take their path. Period. This "silencing" you speak of may consist of people saying mean things anonymously online. Unless you have been living underneath a rock, you will have noticed that almost anything you do or say online will subject you to the cruel and largely stoopid judgment of the masses. You need to have a thicker skin to transition, to detransition, or to go against the grain in any way in this life.

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  15. Anon at 10:57

    I don't expect *anyone* to be able to tell every side of the story. But how are people supposed to decide whether to transition, or how to transition, without reading up on the challenges of transition, alternatives to transition, and the challenges of detransition. I do expect a trans support site to try to point people towards places with that info and to try to continue to support members who decide to detransition. And the more trans sites encourage people who are in doubt to try transition, the more they need to support detransition. It can be hard to find any kind of endocrine health information. Medical articles are behind paywalls. Other articles are often just ads for hormone supplements or quack therapies or the like.

    - Mary

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  16. That doesn't mean all gay people give a shit. Ex-gays and detransitioners should not be trying to convince others to take their path. Period

    I think this person missed the point. Changing one's sexual orientation doesn't involve undoing what years of "T" use does to the body, or undoing radical surgery on breasts or genitals. Stop denying there is a difference.

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  17. What Mary said!!! Trans sites and organizations need to provide the information to everyone.

    @Anonymous at 10:57, Feb. 28th - I don't hold the trans community responsible when someone transitions who shouldn't. I hold doctors and therapists responsible.

    I cannot think of any other medical treatment out there where if you discover it doesn't work and it causes huge problems for you, it is your fault for choosing the medical treatment. What????

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  18. About doctors and hormones - @anon at 10:57, Feb. 28th.

    Unfortunately, doctors don't really know what is the safe, best way to go off cross-sex hormones. That's probably why a clinic googled dirt.

    To be honest, they don't really know what is the safest, best way to take cross-sex hormones. They know that people who have taken cross-sex hormones for a long-time have a higher risk of heart problems and possibly some forms of cancer. They aren't sure what's going on. There are very few studies and nothing with controls. So we're left with guesswork, but a strong probability that it is bad for your health based on what happens to cis people.

    Still, there are at least some written protocols a doctor can consult to find out what other doctors think works for transition, but I've never seen anything about detransition.

    Please keep in mind that going off hormones is something that can and does happen to trans people who don't want to detransition but have health problems from the hormones. The data could help you someday.

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  19. @Anonymous: "This "silencing" you speak of may consist of people saying mean things anonymously online."

    Unfortunately, I've heard of people being shunned by their friends. Some people have been harassed as well.

    I've watched a YouTube video that tells people who detransition to please shut up.

    There is a common sentiment, that detransitioners can detransition if they want to, but they must never, ever suggest that there was something wrong with the medical care that led to their transition.

    Nor are they supposed to say that they think some other people might not need to transition or that transition isn't a good treatment.

    This doesn't happen to people with other illnesses.

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  20. People who detransition usually AREN'T TRANS.

    Exactly!
    And so isn't the majority of the rest of the transtrenders.
    That's why this blog warns people, because far out the most of you AREN'T TRANS.

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