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Saturday, January 4, 2014

I'm Transgender FTM and I dont Hate my Breast

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There are many things worth pointing out in this comment, beginning with her own self deception, she says she didnt "hate" her "breast" but didnt want them because males do not possess them. She also mentions the pain, discomfort and dangers of "binding" her breast down. Stacked self deception piled high in hopes of (why?) convincing me she doesnt "hate" her "breast." I suspect it is more a matter of convincing herself, like most/all? trans females who have had unnecessary mutilative double mastectomies.

She goes on with her self deceptive breast hating by claiming she had to have her healthy breast torn from her because by having them, as a female on synthetic testosterone, she could be in danger or be treated "poorly" because she may look "abnormal" and/or reveal her dirty little secret, that she is a trans female, so much for trans pride! Being a Clare Kendry involves risks, it may even lead to tragic outcomes similar to Clare's. Those risks will never change unless you risk everything fighting to change them, instead of yourself. You risk taking a drug that poisons your body, but wont risk fighting to change the world around you to remain intact! If that isnt female self hatred, I dont know what is.

And there is nothing to be "sorry" about, as an adult female, you ARE a woman. It makes no difference whether you appear as the constructed idea of woman. I've never fit that criteria either, I'm still very much a woman. But unlike you I dont apologise for carrying female MY way, in fact I shove it down the world's fucking throat with both fists so that it choke on it! As my dad used to say "like it or lump it!"

dirt

ps On a side note as something for readers to think about, she says she is "post-transition" meaning some doctor/s have/are writing prescriptions for her HRT and removed her breast DESPITE her not having dysphoria.
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  1. I didn't mention the "mentions the pain, discomfort and dangers of binding." Said it was "causing me problems." Pain? No. Discomfort? No. Dangers? No. Then again, you do love to shove words in other people's mouths. For a feminist who's convinced people like me are women, you sure like to tell us what to think!

    Binding was diminishing my lung capacity. Nothing more, nothing less. It wasn't hard to breathe with a binder on, but it was too easy to fall into a pattern of shallower breathing than what's considered healthy when you're doing hardcore work-outs and sports. Taking in full breaths had to be a conscious effort, and it was a pain in the ass to be frank. Impossible to breathe right? No, not at all, but I had to focus on it to some extent, and dividing your focus is NOT SAFE with some extreme sports.

    You don't have to hate your body or have a problem with it to be transgender. It's a perfectly acceptable female body. Nothing wrong with it. I just didn't care for the attention that was being drawn to "that man with boobs" wherever I went. At one point, someone cornered me around the side of the gym about it and we had a physical altercation that resulted in both of us going to the hospital. I started wearing binders after that (I was not binding prior to that incidence) because "trans pride" is not something I care about when I feel like my physical health in danger. Not too long after that, I had surgery so I wouldn't feel like I had to wear a binder anymore.

    To be frank, you are a really angry and gross person. The massive conclusions you leaped to based on those few short sentences were almost comedic. I'm not going to live my life according to Dirt's Agenda. If you see me as a woman, then treat me like one. If you're a true feminist, don't tell me what to do with my own life. That makes you just as bad as "the patriarchy."

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  2. I have been following your blog for a long time now and love lots of your posts, but I stopped sharing your blog with my circles because of posts like this :( You're such an inspiration to me but saying these things is so wrong :(

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  3. @January 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    I'm deeply sorry about the incident at the gym. It must have been a frightening situation. Thinking back, I probably would have had my breasts surgically removed too. My grandfather molested me, and after that I couldn't stand to have anyone even look at my breasts. I would wear heavy sweat shirts or a coat to hide my body. When I was in high school, I was constantly harassed for looking like a dyke. I didn't get beat up, but I narrowly escaped a royal ass kicking several times. I'm not a violent person, and never did anything to cause anyone to threaten me. I was just different, and this was why I was taunted. At any rate, I eventually learned to cherish and accept my body. Indeed, I wouldn't change anything about my body because it's perfect the way it is. When I finally realized that I didn't owe the world any explaination, and I would be who I wanted to be, it was a liberating feeling. I never did breast bind, and I never got "top surgery".

    "I just didn't care for the attention that was being drawn to "that man with boobs" wherever I went."

    No matter how we look at it, it all boils down to the idea that in order to be safe or accepted, girls and women have to either hide their bodies out of shame, or physically alter them in some way. It sucks and it's wrong. I don't want to judge you, but why are we evil for stating the obvious. It all boils down to females altering their bodies to feel safe or accepted.

    At one point, someone cornered me around the side of the gym about it and we had a physical altercation that resulted in both of us going to the hospital. I started wearing binders after that.

    After my grandfather molested me, I started to hide my breasts. I don't anymore.

    Again, I'm sorry about the incident at the gym.



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  4. Binding was diminishing my lung capacity. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Breast binding for long periods of time can do more than diminish lung capacity.

    Costochondritis....

    "Are you thinking to yourself, “I know all about chest binding dangers, that’s why I’m using a specifically designed chest binder from FTM underworks…. I’m safe!”

    You’re wrong!

    Most people seem to know that binding with tapes and bandages can be dangerous, but few people realize that the same risks apply to chest binders.

    And the damages do occur: bruised ribs, deformed ribs, broken ribs, lung collapse,….

    Here’s the story from a guy who’d been wearing ONLY Underworks binders for 6 years:

    ◾He developed costochondritis (rib inflammation)
    ◾His ribs are deformed and compressed into his lungs
    ◾Some of his muscles have shifted position…."

    http://theartoftransition.net/chest-binding-dangers-ftm-transition

    Even though they know full well that breast binding can mis-align ribs and cause other health problems, there are transgender websites that give away free used breast binders to young women under the age of 21.

    http://inabind.transactiveonline.org/

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  5. @January 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    Why do women have to look like men, or assumed to be men in order to feel safe and secure, and to navigate in our completely screwed up and misogynistic culture?

    I can certainly understand why any female would pass as male to avoid harassment (in addition to all the social/cultural privileges of being male), but I can't help but see it as form of capitulation. I suppose that makes me a horrible person.

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  6. @January 6, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    The difference is that I'm a big hairy guy that doesn't look anything like a woman at all, regardless of what you think I am, and boobs really stuck out on me. If I were fat, I would've left em since it wouldn't be so obvious. Wasn't binding because of shame, but so I'd be left alone by people who felt like they had a right to punch me in the teeth next to a gym. Wasn't afraid of him, but I was afraid for my pearly whites to be sure. To be frank, I'm not ashamed of a damn thing in my life! ;)

    I don't think you're evil. I think people like Dirt are misguided and don't get it. Certainly not evil or you folks wouldn't devote so much time and passion to your odd cause. Are the heterosexual Christian assholes who say lesbians and gays are going to hell evil? Nope. Misguided. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, they say.

    Glad you're comfortable with your body now, sorry to hear about what happened with your grandfather.




    @ January 6, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    Yup I've got costochondritis, but that's from fibromyalgia and I've had that for a lot longer than I was binding. I didn't bind for long. I get your concern about binding and its health implications and I think doctors need to be more honest about those, but for a lot of folks, it doesn't matter, just like people smoke even though that's not too good for them either. In the end it's not really up to anyone to make judgments or decisions against anyone else's bodies. Especially if you think they're women. Women get told what to do all the time, and it's high time that stopped. If you think these transgender individuals are women, you've got to treat them like women and let them guide their own destinies.


    @ January 6, 2014 at 7:22 PM

    Didn't transition because I'd feel safe and secure. Transitioned because, much as I love you ladies and fight every day for your rights, I'm not one! I got surgery so I could stop wearing binders, and I was wearing binders to avoid getting beat up - not for being a woman, but for being a "freak." I'm a big guy but he was bigger.

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  7. I don't really buy the gym incident. I've been going to gyms for over 25 years in Europe and the States (including some very conservative ones)and I've seen every size, shape and form of person(including pleanty of men with tits - every overweight man has them to some extent, and I've never seen anyone pick on anyone for how they look (people get mad about things like others not wiping their sweat off the machines). I'd say a gym is one place you can feel safe, and as a very androgynous woman I've never had any problems, even using the free weights with the real "big hairy men", people are just focused on themselves mostly.
    Germany

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  8. ..." much as I love you ladies and fight every day for your rights, I'm not one!"
    I'm not sure how many women here consider themselves 'ladies,' but you and we are equally (100%) female.

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  9. @January 6, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    Didn't transition because I'd feel safe and secure. Transitioned because, much as I love you ladies and fight every day for your rights, I'm not one! I got surgery so I could stop wearing binders, and I was wearing binders to avoid getting beat up - not for being a woman, but for being a "freak." I'm a big guy but he was bigger.

    This is rather confusing. A lot of women are perceived as "freaks" for whatever reason. Butch lesbians are constantly seen as "freaks", and every now and then they are harassed, threatened, or physically attacked. They don't bind their breasts to appear as men so they won't be subject to harassment. Perhaps all women who are viewed as "freaks" should start binding their breasts and ignore the health risks associated with breast binding for long periods of time. By doing so, they pass as men (they really aren't men, but they "pass") and they would be less likely to be harassed by men. Again, I pose the question. Why do women have to look like men, or assumed to be men in order to feel safe and secure, and to navigate in our completely screwed up and misogynistic culture?

    The decision to undergo "top surgery" was based on the discomfort and reduced lung capacity resulting from breast binding.

    I'm sorry about the gym incident, but I'm curious. Were you hanging out in the men's locker room or restroom? Did you ever use the men's locker room or restroom at this facility? Any female who goes into a men's locker room or restroom must know that she is courting danger. It might not be right, but it's likely to occur. Why would a stranger at a gym harass you?

    ..." much as I love you ladies and fight every day for your rights, I'm not one!"

    These are your rights too. Before you "transitioned", didn't you have the right to vote and a right to an education and health care? Thank feminists for this.

    If a human being is born female, they are still of the female sex. Nothing they ever do will change this.



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  10. much as I love you ladies and fight every day for your rights, I'm not one!

    I'm not a lady either, I don't like to be called a lady. I'm okay with woman, but lady? No.
    I'm not so different them women who choose to transition, the difference is that they transition and I don't.


    Big

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  11. The 'lady' referral seems condescending and intentionally creates a gap between females. I don't have a quarrel with removing your breasts if that's what makes you happy. But separating yourself from the other 'ladies' smacks of the superiority most males feel when considering the female race.

    I've seen it time and time again with FTMs who proudly talk about sprouting whiskers (mostly weird neck beards) and being able to do more pushups at the gym.

    Despite artificially bringing about changes that make you male, you'll always be a female. nature made it so.

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  12. I hope you know that everyone starts out female in the womb ..even men do the same as transmen no difference ...

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  13. @January 8, 2014 at 4:22 PM

    I hope you know that everyone starts out female in the womb ..even men do the same as transmen no difference ...

    January 8, 2014 at 4:22 PM


    Some of us have taken biology at the college level so please don't tell us things we don't already know.

    In terms of fetal development, this is partly true up to a certain point. Fortunately for us, the human fetus doesn’t stop developing after the 9 to 12 weeks in which the external male and female genitalia are usually formed. As to genetics, it definitely is not true. Genetics still matter in fetal development, and XY is still XY and XX is still XX. This doesn’t change. Indeed, it’s the presence of the Y chromosome that signals the development of the male reproductive system. It’s the SRY gene (sex determining region of the Y chromosome) that kick starts development of male genitalia. In males, around week eight of fetal development, testosterone and another hormone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), cause the external sex organs to become those of a male. Yes, there are rare genetic disorders, but the vast majority of transgender identified people don’t have an actual DSD. Please don't prattle on about disorders of sexual development because DSD are not the same as transgender. We have covered this subject several times on this blog. In the absence of the Y chromosome, or in rare instances in which the body can’t recognize testosterone (androgen insensitivity – a DSD), the developing fetus will phenotypically be female.

    It's the gentetics at critical points in fetal development that probably matter the most.

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  14. I don't have a quarrel with removing your breasts if that's what makes you happy.

    Why stop at the breats?

    In a way, I can understand where this person is coming from, but how females think about their bodies has always been tied into the culture in which they are raised. Culture has left its mark on the female sex for thousands of years. Is it completely free will? There appears to be something else going on.

    As to "what makes you happy", as we have seen with the mutilated and euthanized Belgian woman, botched "top surgery" doesn't always make people happy.

    Unless we take the time to actually research it and see it ourselves, we don't see the blood, or violence being carried out on the female sex. "Transitioning" sounds so benign, even progressively trendy. When I first saw the video of "top surgery" in which the nipples and areolas were literally being cut off and surgically trimmed down to size, and I saw what is for all practical purposes elective mastectomies, the images haunted me. Think about this carefully. It basically amounts to elective mastectomies with the surgical trimming down of areolas and nipples.

    How did we get to this point in time in which healthy female breasts are called "tumors", or portrayed as useless pounds of flesh or appendages that can be twisted, or plunked off the body without any blood? It's the way that the transgender community, particularly FTMs, and the plastic surgeons that appear to have such a cavalier attitude about healthy female anatomy.

    I know this link has been posted on this blog several times, but everyone needs to see exactly what "top surgery" entails. Because male areolas and nipples are usually smaller, strictly for cosmetic reasons, the areolas and nipples are cut off, surgically trimmed down, and then sewn back on after the double mastectomy. Loss of sensation to the nipple area is common, and every now and then a nipple graft doesn't take resulting in the loss of a nipple or two.

    http://www.surgerytheater.com/video/6423/Dr.%20Daniel%20Medalie%20performs%20FtM%20top%20surgery%20(double%20incision%20mastectomy%20with%20nipple%20grafting

    There are other surgical procedures besides the double incision with areola and nipple grafting, but these procedures are only done on small breasts (an A cup for example).

    Look at this graphic in which healthy breasts can be "plopped off" magically.

    Getting "top surgery" comes with no blood, or pain, and all we have to do is tug or pull them off. See, it's just like a fashion accessory. We can take them off as we please. It's as if healthy female anatomy is designer appendages.

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2013/10/breast-shame-fear-and-sexism-in-all-ftm.html

    Transmen have been known to call healthy female breasts "tumors".

    "From a friend: her peak trans was when she asked a transman politely not to throw the word ‘tumors’ around (this is ftm slang for healthy breasts) because as a cancer survivor she found it insensitive. She got dogpiled for saying this, “OMG go educate yourself” etc. But what really turned her stomach was that another transman spoke up for her and said something about respecting boundaries and they flipped out at him: “poseur cunt, you obviously dont know what dysphoria is” “get cancer lol”."

    http://peaktrans.tumblr.com/post/28784657646/from-a-friend-her-peak-trans-was-when-she-asked-a




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  15. Germany, just because YOU feel safe at the gym and haven't been harassed or assaulted there, doesn't mean that is everyone's experience. This is a dominant theme in this blog, people unable and unwilling to open their minds and accept that people have different experiences.

    As for culture, it is not a big secret or some sort of conspiracy theory that culture shapes us in profound ways. I don't think anyone denies this, and it doesn't change the trans* reality. The reality of gender variance/gender blendedness/multiply gendered (etc. etc.) people exists in every single culture past, present and future, and is just seen and treated radically different depending on the culture.

    I do agree that extreme care and caution must be taken with kids with gender dysphoria, and I always wonder what kind of values and worldviews parents have instilled in kids who go the trans* route. That said, I know parents who are very open-minded, accepting and liberal, whose kids ID as trans*, so I don't know, there are so many layers of issues to all this, and it's a big, hot mess.

    Adults have a right to do whatever the hell they want with their bodies, and we have a right to accept or reject altered bodies in our bedrooms, such as trans women who ID as lesbians -- some bio womyn accept this, some don't. If I dated a lesbian trans woman, my deal breaker is a neo vagina, for health/safety/hygiene reasons -- not to be mistaken with lack of self-care on the trans woman's part, but because it is not a self-cleaning organ like natural vaginas (plus I'd be scared to break or injure it!) -- I would accept her natural penis, but not a fake vagina. Some may say this is transphobic but I don't think so, it's just me having boundaries, and trans* people need to respect this just as I respect them.

    Dirt, do you know of, or have you written about Cai and Emily, a young American FTM and MTF couple who had a baby? It was on TV last month (though I think the story is over 2 yrs old) and is said to be the first known case disproving that trans women go sterile from hormones (the pregnancy came as a big surprise to the couple) -- Emily had been on hormones since age 16 and impregnated Cai at age 28.

    http://www.growingyourbaby.com/2011/07/31/transgender-couple-welcomes-miracle-baby/

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  16. "I'm not a lady either, I don't like to be called a lady."
    Good to see you back, Big. You can just call me Madam, though now we've shared your dreams of a fridge just to store oranges, I guess you can call me Sister. Did you have a good holiday in Spain?

    On the actual subject, I guess as a native male with breasts I ought to have something to say, but find it curiously difficult to find anything. Yes, when I was young and skinny and they, as someone here remarked "stuck out" (yes, they'll do that, pesky things!), I did my best to cover them, but I don't think I actually contemplated binding them. Yes, I guess it was tough when I was young, being a "man with breasts", especially when straight(?) men started showing a creepy kind of interest in them. Now that I'm well stricken in years and many of my male contemporaries have grown their own (kind-of) breasts, I'm a little nostalgic for my exclusivity.

    Being different or even unusual doesn't mean you have to think of yourself as "abnormal". Also, having breasts does not make me female, or even "a bit" female. Being female, or male, is a fact of mammalian biology, and has to do with chromosomes and primary, not secondary, sexual characteristics. Whether having an unusual anatomy may have nudged me toward rejecting full-scale identification with the gender-class "man" is an open question. Write me an essay about it; don't write on both sides of the paper at the same time.

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  17. "As much as I love you ladies and fight every day for your rights, I'm not one!"

    My Transition From Black to White European

    I was born in Zambia in Africa as were my parents and their parents going back generations. My family is part of the Tonga tribe. For as long as I can remember, I've always "felt white inside", similar to the way the white Europeans I see on billboards and in magazines look. My Tonga features, hair, the shape of my face, and dark skin aren't the real me inside. I plan on leaving my village and try my luck in Lusaka. I want to find a job where I can earn money for my transition (skin lightening and plastic surgery to make me look white - the real me).

    After my transition from black to white, if anyone asks why I did it, I will tell them, "As much as I love you black folks and fight every day for your rights, I'm not one!"

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  18. @Petre

    Something just for Petre...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02y-U_U_g0g

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  19. Hahaha... Petre, that video cracks me up! LOL

    I had an awesome time in Spain, I enjoyed the warm winter sun so much.

    To the black man what wants to be white, when do you get your first B shot?
    I heard that you can get it after talking to an online shrink, just as easy as that.
    For starters, B stands for Bleach.
    A nasty side effect is that you become a worse dancer. ;)

    Big

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  20. Yikes!

    But race is mostly made up. There's rarely any connection between skin color, hair texture, and other superficial features, and any deeper ones. Genetic variation doesn't match up with traditional racial categories. Tooth types sometimes do. Certain diseases sometimes do, but Tay-Sachs is specific to certain European populations exposed to tuberculosis, and Sickle Cell Anemia is specific to certain African populations exposed to malaria, so race is often misleading there.

    Sex is not mostly made up. There's always a connection between body shape and the underlying hormone levels and endocrine system. There are intersex conditions which don't fit into the standard classification, but each of these has a connection there. Genetic variation usually matches up - sry usually turns someone male, and its absence usually turns someone female. Certain diseases also match up.

    So I don't think there's any real comparison. The only way you can sensibly talk about a biological mismatch is if there is a biological connection between different things. Which there is with different aspects of sex, and there isn't with different aspects of race.

    - Mary

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  21. @Mary,

    So I don't think there's any real comparison. The only way you can sensibly talk about a biological mismatch is if there is a biological connection between different things. Which there is with different aspects of sex, and there isn't with different aspects of race.


    Confession...

    January 9, 2014 at 10:10 PM
    was meant as satire. I made this up, and I apologize. It was just a thought/experiment to get people thinking about "transitioning" and what it really means. I was commenting on the post from the FTM (human born female who identifies as male) who stated, "As much as I love you ladies and fight every day for your rights, I'm not one!". Some black people have always tried to "pass" as white for social privilege and status. The same goes for dark skinned people in Latin America. They don't bleach their beautiful dark skin as a fashion statement. It's for the social status of looking more white European. It's money, power, and privilege.

    @Mary

    I am aware of the biological/genetic issues involved in race. Some biologist claim that "race" has no coherent biological meaning. It's hard to demarcate when it comes to the issue of race. When people do genetic testing, they often discover that many African Americans have some European ancestry. The same goes for any other racial group. Having said this, black people aren't going to wake up one day and become completely white. They still retain some genes that code for characteristics associated with their race.

    Whether or not race is an actual biological/genetic reality is open for debate, but race and racism are still very much a part of every culture and society that has ever existed. Both race and sex have social and cultural significance. It shouldn't be this way, but it's part of our collective history.

    I didn't mean to offend anyone, or any particular racial/ethnic group. All Homo sapiens are beautiful. I see race as variation in the human species. Different racial and ethnic groups evolved in different regions of the world.

    Good article on race...

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/does-race-exist.html

    Sex is not mostly made up.

    All primates both human and non-human reproduce sexually. Sex exists whereas gender is largely culturally constructed.

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  22. I hope you know that everyone starts out female in the womb ..even men do the same as transmen no difference ...

    This is mostly true. Without the SRY gene on the Y chromosome which initiates the development of the male reproductive system, the developing fetus will be female.

    We also get our mitochondrial DNA from our mothers.

    Over millions of years, the Y chromosome has steadily shrunk. The X and Y chromosome used to have about the same number of genes.

    The female chromosome, X, has almost 1,000 genes, while the shrinking Y chromosome is holding onto a mere 80 genes.

    http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/evolution-y-chromosome

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  23. OK, I was going to come back and respond to you... people? Not sure what to call you if you don't want to be called ladies... I'm guessing girls is out... guys might set you off since it's a more masculine term... geez... I don't know. but all the flak about using the word "ladies" makes it impossible to sift through the comments for ones I can actually reply to. I just don't have time - I apologize.

    Funny thing is, though, you don't like to be called "ladies," but you'll call me a woman or a female... obviously I don't like that at all. Why should I care that you feel disrespected when you continuously disrespect me?

    Ah, well, I will be the bigger person here and apologize. I'm sorry if I offended anybody. I wasn't aware that "ladies" was an offensive term. It's a term of respect where I'm from, which is more than most of you have shown me, even if you're not being intentionally disrespectful. If you really see me as one of you, I don't see how it could possibly be offensive, but that's OK, I really am sorry.

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  24. I will respond to Anonymous @January 7, 2014 at 9:58 PM since that was the one that stuck out as something that I could actually reply to...

    "This is rather confusing. A lot of women are perceived as "freaks" for whatever reason. Butch lesbians are constantly seen as "freaks", and every now and then they are harassed, threatened, or physically attacked. They don't bind their breasts to appear as men so they won't be subject to harassment. Perhaps all women who are viewed as "freaks" should start binding their breasts and ignore the health risks associated with breast binding for long periods of time. By doing so, they pass as men (they really aren't men, but they "pass") and they would be less likely to be harassed by men. Again, I pose the question. Why do women have to look like men, or assumed to be men in order to feel safe and secure, and to navigate in our completely screwed up and misogynistic culture?"

    Not here. The culture where I live is not remotely misogynistic. Men are kind of seen as stupid to be honest and women are celebrated. I don't know where you live but that's not the case here. I'm not attracted to women, so maybe I wouldn't know since I was never part of the lesbian community, but that's been my experience.

    It had nothing to do with feeling safe and secure... not sure where you got that from. As I said, women are celebrated in my culture, not looked down on, and it's certainly not unsafe to be a woman, not here.

    "I'm sorry about the gym incident, but I'm curious. Were you hanging out in the men's locker room or restroom? Did you ever use the men's locker room or restroom at this facility? Any female who goes into a men's locker room or restroom must know that she is courting danger. It might not be right, but it's likely to occur. Why would a stranger at a gym harass you?"

    No, we have universal changing rooms here with private stalls. I was harassed for walking around and working out lol.

    "These are your rights too. Before you "transitioned", didn't you have the right to vote and a right to an education and health care? Thank feminists for this."

    Sure and thanks.

    "If a human being is born female, they are still of the female sex. Nothing they ever do will change this."

    What if you found out that you were born intersex and your parents chose to surgically alter your genitalia so you would be a female? What if you're not a female at all, but a male with ambiguous genitalia that went under the knife before your memory could form? If you woke up tomorrow and found out about that, I guarantee you wouldn't suddenly stop considering yourself a female.

    There are a lot of people that consider gender identity disorder an intersex condition as well. It may eventually be considered one by the medical community; we just don't know enough about it at this point to change the way it's classified. I would refrain from making statements like that when we know next to nothing about this disorder.

    Hope you're OK with that being my last post here. I don't have time to keep checking, especially after a flood of comments about my use of "ladies." I run my own business and have too much work to do to devote energy to something that's pointless - I know I won't convince any of you that bullying kids because they don't fit your agenda is wrong. You're entitled to your opinions but that doesn't mean it's OK to force them on random people who haven't done anything to you.

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  25. You don't have to apologize for calling me lady, I'm not offended at all. It's just that I don't like it and I surely don't look like a lady.
    You don't know me and I know you had good intentions. ;)


    Big

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  26. You're entitled to your opinions but that doesn't mean it's OK to force them on random people who haven't done anything to you
    People aren't being forced to read this blog!

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  27. There are a lot of people that consider gender identity disorder an intersex condition as well.

    There are just as many people who disagree, and we have sound science to back us up.

    How many times do we have to say it before it sinks in. Gender identity is not the same thing as disorders of sexual development (intersex). DSD are actual genetic/medical conditions that can be quantified/diagnosed with medical testing whereas "gender identity" is largely a psychological diagnosis, and thus at least partly culturally based.




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  28. @January 11, 2014 at 10:19 PM

    What if you found out that you were born intersex and your parents chose to surgically alter your genitalia so you would be a female? What if you're not a female at all, but a male with ambiguous genitalia that went under the knife before your memory could form? If you woke up tomorrow and found out about that, I guarantee you wouldn't suddenly stop considering yourself a female.

    It's no wonder that doctors prefer to use the term disorders of sexual development. The transgender community continues to shamelessly co-opt the term intersex.

    Why one earth do they continue to act as if intersex (rare genetic conditions) are the same as transgender when every major intersex organization makes a distinction between intersex (disorders of sexual development) and transgender? It's possible for a transgender identified person to have an intersex medical condition, but they are NOT one and the same. Before the hormones and surgery, the vast majority of transgender identified people are physically no different than other people. Indeed, before they "transitioned", many MTFs were married to women and fathered children. Also, some FTMs (female to male) get pregnant. FTM Thomas Beatie gave birth to three babies after legally changing her sex to male. People with rare disorders of sexual development (intersex) are often infertile.

    Does this individual have a rare disorder of sexual development? If so, when was it diagnosed?

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  29. Yes, quite a few FtM get pregnant, and on Youtube it seems like they are getting pregnant right and left. At least 2 I noticed: sillyyetsuccinct and mrsexyrexy8907 have videos up with their babies.
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  30. "There are a lot of people that consider gender identity disorder an intersex condition as well."

    Sure there are. Just like there are a lot of people who think the world and the universe we live in were created 4000 years ago. What can we say? They're just wrong.

    "Disorder of sexual development" (+/- intersex) is well defined in physical terms in humans and other mammals. I'm not aware that psychologists dealing in terms like "identification" or such nonsense can deliver as valid definitions.

    "What if you found out that you were born intersex and your parents chose to surgically alter your genitalia so you would be a female? What if you're not a female at all, but a male with ambiguous genitalia that went under the knife before your memory could form? If you woke up tomorrow and found out about that, I guarantee you wouldn't suddenly stop considering yourself a female."

    Absolutely true. The nearest I can find to this in the modern, western world, is the experience of XY individuals with fetal androgen intolerance. Every one of them as good a woman as you and.. well, not me, of course...)






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