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Monday, December 2, 2013

When Fear Creates Hate

Still very much in the process of recovering my health and this is some of the ignorance, hate and putrid vile aimed and fired at me, albeit behind the cover of a computer:

I'll briefly address all underlined points.

The subject listed is "dirt hates her body"- a curious subject title considering this is a space that dismantles how misogyny attacks the female body to such a deep extent that females turn that external misogyny within and on themselves. I and many other women have been quite forthright regarding how dysphoria made our teen and young adult lives nearly unlivable. And how feminism and loving lesbian friends and lovers helped us to steal our female lives back from misogyny, to achieving a powerful female pride and an eventual boring comfortableness. I suspect the remark is the typical fear inspired "trans in denial" remark so often applied to any lesbian who lives outside the Gender Straight Jacket comfortably.

Next up is the chosen email name "teabag your face"- If not familiar, this is meant to be a degrading sexual act of a male placing his testes on or near the eyes of a female partner and his penis in or near her mouth. Its prime aim is to degrade, not to initiate any pleasure for the female. That a woman would use such a degrading, misogynistic male phrase illustrates a deep sense of shame and weakness in herself, specifically herself as a woman.

Next is something that makes no sense at all to me regarding being "sexually abused". As I was fortunate as a female not to have been sexually abused on any level, I can only speculate that either she hasnt read this blog for any length or the more likely culprit, pure transference.

Then we have "hating other people"- Outside of despising the systems of patriarchy/misogyny and all systems spawned from either, not having even a person or persons in my personal life that I have "hated" this remark makes zero sense to me.

Moving on to "you deserve to be raped"- this smacks of some serious self female hatred. No woman would EVER wish rape on anyone or thing unless so deep into self loathing from perhaps having been raped themselves or angry at their own fears of being vulnerable to rape. No matter how you slice it, it bespeaks of horrific internalized misogyny.

And then we have her wishing a trans female would "strangle" me and rape my dead body "tear your vagina to shreds"- Interestingly she doesnt put herself in the place of doing so, clearly she sees herself as much too weak and scared for the job. Again, this remark clearly illustrates this woman's notions of herself as powerless/weak simply because she's a woman. She needs a woman who has taken on a male role to do the killing and the raping because she as a woman is incapable.

Last but not least she says she would like to "jizz" on my "ugly face"- interestingly for the climax she momentarily puts herself almost in the male role in wanting to ejaculate IF she were a male, but because she isnt all she can do is wish.

Its interesting to break down comments that at first come across as nothing more than hate filled nonsense, but once we deconstruct such remarks the truths revealed underneath belie pain, fear, shame, self loathing and a host of other sordid emotions such comments seek to hide. I find it also interesting that dismantling misogyny leads some woman into perpetuating it.

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49 comments:

  1. that's a horrible think for anyone to say to someone. How do you know the writer of this email is a FTM though? you are assuming this because it obviously clear you hate transmen such as myself.

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  2. Good assessment, Dirt. Very well said.

    I also think it was an Ft2. What woman or real man talks about a Ft2 with a fat cock? That's delusional.
    Ppl only tend to respoind with so much hate if it hurts them personally.

    It's a damn shame that ppl are able to say things like this. But it's good to know that these ppl are hurt and unhappy. She definately heeds help.


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  3. THIS NEEDS TO BE PROSECUTED AS A FORM OF DELIBERATE HATE SPEECH.

    ALL OF THIS IS BEING RECORDED AND SAVED AND THIS PALES IN COMPARISON TO SOME OF THE UTTERLY MISOGYNISTIC COMMENTS.

    I SUGGEST THAT DIRT SEEK LEGAL ADVICE.

    THREATS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ARE HATE CRIMES.


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  4. any judge who sees the shit that Dirt posts will throw it out of court. People really shouldn't such horrible things to or about anyone; it's just wrong, that said, there was no actual threat of violence.

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  5. Kevin, are you saying that this is not a threat of violence? Are you sure you live in this world?
    Worse then that, you're saying that it's okay to make a threat like this because Dirt blogs things you don't like. I've no words for this.


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  6. Dirt, that was an amazingly compassionate response to hate and evil. I'm sorry you have to see things like that when you're healing.

    Get well soon and keep speaking your truth!

    Anonymous

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  7. Kevin, I'm not sure if you meant that a judge would look at the hate speech someone sent Dirt and throw out the case or that the judge would be upset by what Dirt posts in general?

    Because the general public would not think that what Dirt posts is hateful or uncaring. She has a negative view of transitioning, but she does not attack people. In fact, she expresses a lot of concern for the young women who are transitioning.

    (Just for the record, I do not agree with everything Dirt says. I think there is a place for transitioning for some people, but I also believe that transtrending is real and hurting many young people.)

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  8. I'm saying that there is no actual threat of violence in that segment of the email Dirt posted. A judge will throw it out and while it is could be considered harrassment, it's not even hate speech. She wasn't sent that email because she's a woman or because she's a lesbian, she was sent an horrible email because she says horrible things about transpeople.

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  9. She has stated that ftm's are predatory rapists and child molesters at a higher rate than other people and that our female partners must be child molesters as well. Its not that hard to go back and find these posts if you don't mind feeling like you want to barf. Not that any woman here wants to acknowlege anything that's uncomfortable or inconvenient to her platform. Its rare that I read anything from anyone here who sounds like they have an ounce of integrity or accountability.

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  10. IF THIS ISN'T HATE SPEECH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS...

    “…..You are such a weak little old hag of a bitch. Get raped by a bunch of niggers you old crow.”

    “You made this story up you fucking ugly OVER-THE-HILL sagging tits, fat ass ugly repulsive CUNT. You’re just jealous that you’re OLD AS HELL and can NEVER EVER transition successfully the way us young dudes do! We are the men you can never, ever be. Medical science, nanotechnology and genetic engineering is advancing in ways your tiny female, estrogen-dominant gossipy female brain can NEVER imagine. CUNT. And being 25 I will reap the benefits and you will just be a corpse. You’re not even masculine, this shit you’re doing here is totally female…gossipy manipulative psychological warfare. Why don’t you take your fat, over-sized, child-bearing hips sagging cottage cheese ass back in the kitchen and cook your disgusting wrinkled, obese crew-cut trainwreck you call a “girlfriend” another Swanson dinner you useless OLD HAG. KNOW YOUR PLACE and stop treading on us. Stupid useless cunt. No wonder there is so much misogyny…it’s because of bitches like you. Suck a fat one and get AIDS”.

    SOURCE:

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2011/12/so-much-fear-and-hatred-from-this-trans.html

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  11. Yes those comments are over the top and from some young and obviously angry transman, or at least the second one. Neither are actually threats. But neither are actually hate speech. Both, and especially the second are harsh and graphic in nature and obviously not something someone in the right state of mind who would say, but again not hate speech; harassment yes.

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  12. Kevin, can you tell us what hate speech means in your opnion?


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  13. Hate speech is communication that attacks someone based on their religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc, Dirt was not "attacked" because of any of those. She was harassed for her own actual hate speech on transpeople.

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  14. Kevin, a lot of the hateful comments are directed at Dirt's womanhood. Threatening rape is generally an attack on someone's gender or sexual orientation. So is insulting your appearance or telling you to get back into the kitchen. Those are forms of speech that are used to keep all women down.

    My first reaction is to wonder what the world is coming to that talking like that isn't recognized as woman-hating and therefore hate speech. My hope is that you have binders on because you are mad at Dirt personally.

    As a woman, I feel very strongly that I should be able to say things that upset men without being called ugly and a failed woman and especially without being threatened with rape.

    That is not how things work in our world, but it should at least be an ideal supported by feminists, gay and lesbian people, and transgender people.

    Anonymous from 5:08 and 5:18

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  15. Excuse me, I mean blinders on. That was a typo!

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  16. I expect to be able to be a transperson without being accused of being a rapist or child molester. You have no business coming here and expecting any support or from transpeople for your ideals. Your ideals consist of elimination of our identities. Why should I give a fuck about your identity or protection? Have a good look at what you perpetrate and perpetuate and then ask what you deserve.

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  17. Anonymous 12:32, I'm not finding articles that say FTMs are predatory rapists and child molesters, etc. Could you link to them?

    I wonder if you are thinking of some other websites I have seen that are much nastier about linking transwomen to predators?

    What I've found on Dirt's blog so far is a statement that most FTMs are not violent along with the suggestion that being on testosterone might make some FTMs become violent and could lead to rape. She also talks about some cases of individual FTMs raping people.

    I agree with you that this is a very negative thing to say.

    I don't think we have any data to suggest that transmen are more violent than women or other men.

    Again, outside of very liberal circles, her suggestions would not be considered hate speech. Most people buy into the idea that men and women are biologically different and testosterone causes male violence.

    I do not believe that, but I do think that changing your hormones will affect your personality. I also believe that big and abrupt changes might change people in a way that causes problems.

    This is a link to a very good article talking about how testosterone does not cause violence. The suggestion is that culture plays a role - something we should all be able to agree to as feminists!

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-testosterone-alone-doesnt-cause-violence

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  18. Anonymous @12:10 - has anyone accused you of being a rapist or child molester?

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  19. To anonymous @12:10 again - why should you care about protecting women or lesbians? Because the people who are against them are against you, too. Because the society that makes it okay to threaten women with rape when they step out of line is the same society that does not accept transmen as men and would be violent against them. Because you presumably love some women who are affected by the way our society hates women. And, of course, because if you don't care, you become a bitter hater yourself.

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  20. Sorry about making too many separate posts. This is the last one.

    What do I think Dirt deserves?

    I think she deserves respect for speaking honestly and bravely. To quote J.K. Rowling - "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends."

    I think she deserves compassion because she is a human being going through a health crisis.

    I think she deserves outrage at people who threaten her or call her names.

    I think she deserves respect for actually caring what happens to a bunch of young women she doesn't know.

    I think she deserves to have people debate her claims in a strong but respectful way.

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  21. I'm saying that legally, the chances of that email being considered hate speech or a threat are very low. If you go back and look at any of my comments on this blog, none of them are at all threatening, harassing, nor hateful in anyway. I have been more support of compassion towards Dirt during her recent illness/injury than probably just about any trans person on this blog. I don expect support for being trans at all, I come here and give my opinion as a trans man to merely offer an opposing view to Dirt's. It is my opinion as person who works in the field of civil rights and in the court system that this would be thrown out as it doesn't meet the legal definition of a threat or hate speech; not because I am a trans person. People here seem to be looking for a way to place Dirt as a victim whereas she is continuously and unapologetically spews lies and her biased opinions on trans people as facts or takes extreme example from angry outliers as a statement of the entire population or community of people. Dirt has shown her true colors again and again and you just swallow with no fact checking or critical thinking whatsoever.

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  22. and to be honest, I'm not at all mad at Dirt; I don't even know her, all I knew is she stream of consciousness she lets run on this blog. I agree that women should be able to state their opinions and those opinions be judged based on merit rather than how she looks, dresses, or their be ad hominen attacks on her character or body.

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  23. Though I'm not very sympathetic toward Kevin's opinions, I think she's right that the comments in question are not actionable. "Hate speech" or the equivalent would be thrown out of court in England or any US State I know. Maybe if it happened in Canada...?

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  24. If you insist on not usin male pronouns can you at least use my name as a placeholder. Because in real life, off this blog; people look at you funny for using female pronouns to address me.

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  25. (& how people look at you is the most important thing!)
    (really, I understand that what 'Kevin' is saying is that 'he' passes so very well (like every 'trans' person claims))

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  26. Kevin, I know you are not using hate speech and are sympathetic to Dirt as a human being.

    I think the anonymous comment Dirt got was threatening - the person who submitted it says Dirt deserves to be raped, he hopes she is killed and raped, and that he would come on her face. I consider that a threat.

    I also consider rape threats to be a form of hate speech against women.

    I believe it might not meet the standard for legal prosecution, but I do think it is hate speech.

    This is an interesting article on the issue in general on the Internet:
    http://quiteirregular.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/rape-threats-its-a-free-speech-issue/

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  27. I will concede I do believe it hate speech, I was speaking legality wise it would most likely be thrown out.

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  28. Thanks for clearing that up, Kevin.
    Your comments are appreciated, I noticed that your a nice person. ;)

    Big

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  29. Thank you Big, I appreciate not being seen as bad or wrong simply for being trans.

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  30. Nobody is bad or wrong simply for being trans, I would never say that. That would be wrong.


    Big

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  31. Thanks, Kevin. I think you're probably right about the law.

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  32. Another fake email account created by Dirt to send herself hate mail. And who would be low enough to rape such an UGLY creature. /barfs

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  33. Kevin, stop apologizing like a woman. White knighting a bunch of ugly butch lesbians is about as low as a man can go.

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  34. Will you stop posting that "swanson dinner" comment that so-called transman wrote (or a troll pretending to be trans). That shit's embarrassing.

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  35. Alas, if only I were pretty enough to be raped!


    '...who would be low enough to rape such an UGLY creature. /barfs'

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  36. @Anon @12/8/13 2:11, seriously? To apologize and clear up miscommunications or apologize when I feel I am wrong or to express empathy is not a bad thing or a woman thing as your clearly state. It is a mature adult thing to do.

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  37. For what it's worth, this reads to me as though written by a MTF. "I hope some big burly FTM strangles you..." If the author is him/herself FTM, why invoke a third party rather than cast herself in the role? And have the Dr Frankensteins now come up with some bio-hydraulic system that allows FTMs to "jizz"?
    (Actually, if not, I'm horribly afraid they're working on it.)

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  38. Petre you're right. It was probably a MTF insulting us by implying that we're low enough to rape an ugly creature like Lynn Marie Jew-Baker.

    And rape is not something that's promoted in the ftm community. There's more lesbian and gay rapists, dumbasses.

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  39. I love comments like the one above! Who is good-looking enough for you to rape, 'dude?' And what's with the 'Jew' reference? Anti-Semetic as well as anti-female? Or just a delusional adolescent?

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  40. Kevin, stop apologizing like a woman. White knighting a bunch of ugly butch lesbians is about as low as a man can go.

    I don't know any born man who would say such a nasty and hateful thing. I don't blame you, you obviously need help.

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  41. @December 10, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    And rape is not something that's promoted in the ftm community. There's more lesbian and gay rapists, dumbasses.

    Because they are female, lesbians, and even FTMs are more likely to experience rape or sexual assault than to be the perpetrator.

    Fact: The vast majority of registered sex offenders are male. Males commit more violent crimes than females. How many school shootings were carried out by females?

    "One of the most prevalently found conclusions within the field of criminology, regardless of the society, time period, or geographical location, is the finding that males are more violent and aggressive than females (Wright, Tibbetts & Daigle, 2008)"

    Men commit a larger number of violent crimes than do women. In 2009, men accounted for 81% of persons arrested for violent crime and 66% of homicide perpetrators.

    US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Crime in the United States, 2009. Washington, DC: US Department of Justice; 2010.

    http://www.csom.org/pubs/female_sex_offenders_brief.pdf

    The Center for Sex Offender Management from the U.S. Department of Justice states,

    March 2007

    National criminal justice statistics reveal that of all adults and juveniles who come to the attention of the authorities for sex crimes, females account for less than 10% of these cases (FBI, 2006). Specifically, arrests of women represent only 1% of all adult arrests for forcible rape and 6% of all adult arrests for other sex offenses.

    I don't know whether it's socialization or testosterone, or a combination of the two that causes males to be more aggressive. I've known males who are incredibly gentle and peaceful, but statistics show that males are responsible for most of the violent crimes.

    As to FTMs, with the exception of FTM individuals such as Kael T. Block and Ira Gray who definitely appear to have serious self control and anger issues, I don't think FTMs are any more prone to violence than other people. No one said FTMs are more prone to violence. Information about Kael T. Block and Ira Gray can be found by just googling it.

    If FTMs really are male like they say they are, then the fact that they are male would make them statistically more likely to be a registered sex offender than a female. By the way, I don't believe FTMs are male. What happens to females who start being socialized as males with a taste of male entitlement and routine injections of testosterone? Only time will tell, but I've never said that FTMs are anymore prone to violence than anyone else.



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  42. ^ If you're cute I'll prove how male you don't think I am, bitch.

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  43. transpeople make up less than 1% of the population so of course we're not going to commit crimes like cisgendered men. We're focused on transition (and other forms of self-improvement) and don't want to go to prison which will mess up our dreams.

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  44. The men who commit violent crimes are a type of violent psychopath with no self-control. Just because most violent psychopaths are male doesn't mean those who aren't violent psychopaths are less of a man. Believe me, I have had the natural aggression of a male since I hit puberty. I get just as pissed off as a man and am able to visualize beating the shit out of people (and even killing) those who piss me off in many creative ways. But I don't act on it.

    The fact that my anger can reach the level of 1,000 atomic bombs and that I can control it and be cool as ice on the surface is POWER. That's what anger is. It's power. As long as it doesn't control you.

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  45. @ 11:44 - Anger is definately not power. You feel it so strongly because of weakness and impotence, in other words: powerlessness. If you visualize beating up and killing people on a regular basis (especially for mild frustrations/disagreements that happen to everyone)then you should get some help. You don't want to end up exploding over something trivial.
    Germany

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  46. Most FTMs are not violent and will not be violent.

    However it is true that the recent long-term follow-up on all the transpeople in Sweden who transitioned in the past 30 years found that:

    Transmen were more likely to be convicted of crimes than women their age. They were similar to men who had been born men.

    Transwomen were also similar to men who had been born men - they were not more or less likely to be convicted of crimes.

    We don't know if transitioning increased the chances the transwomen would commit crimes or if they were already more likely to or if the life experience of being on outcast played a role.

    However, there is a very real issue and it is reasonable to be concerned that transition might make a person born female more violent.

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  47. “Kevin, stop apologizing like a woman.”
    Yeah, stop that, Kevin. Welcome to being a man. Now you can start apologizing like a man. We have so much more to apologize for, like centuries of enslavement and brutality and rape. “But I didn't do that!”, you protest. No indeed, neither did I. But men did, and I didn't actually choose to be one. Which of us is more guilty?
    Actually, don't apologize. Men are good at apologizing. “I'm really sorry I hit you, it'll never happen again.” Just like the last 20 times. Of course you don't hit people. Neither do I. But men do.
    Now that you've done Man 101, the next stage is Man 202, unlearning to be a man. Good luck!

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  48. @ "Germany" I don't "visualize beating up and killing people on a regular basis " it's only around people like in this blog. There's a difference between a thought and actually doing it. And I don't explode in public nor do I carry anger around with me. I'm very healthy and have low blood pressure. But if someone ever attacks me it will come in handy.
    @ Peter by "don't apologize" I meant more in the way of being namby pamby and trying to please others who don't care about you and conforming which is common among *most* women. Apologizing for something you actually did that's wrong is a noble gesture. But apologizing for being yourself and not hurting anyone is weak.

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  49. Apologizing for being born white or male is totally absurd. You are not responsible for what other people did but for your own actions.

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