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Wednesday, December 11, 2013

Treating Girls like Boys Equals Feminism, NOT Transition

From the article: "A 6-year-old girl who wants to be treated as a boy has been given a support worker to make sure she is treated as a member of the opposite sex at school".

My first thought after reading this was 'why are or would a child be treated/educated differently because of their sex, in school'?? The immediate second thought that followed was 'if this same girl and her mother declared her a lesbian, would she still be given a "support worker" to ensure her lesbianism was being properly upheld by her teacher and fellow student body'??

The mother claims she well knew her daughter was truly a boy because by age three her daughter refused to wear dresses and tried cutting her hair short, including the girl later telling the mother she was a "boy". Ignorant simplistic Gender Straight Jacketed thinking that would have millions upon millions of girls past, present and future deemed boys, including myself!

The teacher of this girl apparently declined to treat the girl like a boy-again, this in itself makes ZERO sense and if this particular teacher is treating the girls and boys in her class differently she should be fired outright!-but I digress-the miffed mother took her cause lezbophobia to the NHS in order to acquire an "authority" that would back her narrow delusions of the sexes. The NHS Proper Sex Behavior Relegaters went so far as to install a "support worker" behavior nazi in class, policing both teacher and student body, in effect coercing them into maintaining the mother and child's delusions or else!

I cannot even begin to imagine the utter confusion this insanity would be causing the other children in class, especially the other girls. Girls whose little worlds are further circumscribed by their sex while this particular girl's world is widened to the unlimited world boys live in, simply because this girl's mother deems her behavior male and insists everyone else does as well. NOT because any of these girls should have their worlds constricted, BUT the price for a world of possibilities shouldnt be dependent upon their/their parents calling them boys!

The mother also stated I’ve neither encouraged or discouraged it, I’m just going with it. I just want her happy and confident with who she is”, she added. It is clear from this article and other articles on this girl that the mother has done nothing BUT encourage her daughter's confusion, beginning with planting the idea that her daughter is a boy based on shit like hair length and pants! The mother screams of lezbophobia. I would bet my very fucking life neither this woman nor the NHS has done anything to investigate this child's possible lesbianism anymore than they explained to her she didnt have to be a "boy" to be herself. No they instead explained and encouraged the exact opposite, that in order to be herself she MUST be a boy!

Last from the article: "In October The Times newspaper reported that the number of children wanting a sex change in 2012 saw an increase of 50 per cent compared to the previous year". 
As has been sadly predicted here far too many times and for too many years. Numbers which have also been predicted to sky rocket post publication of the DSM V, have and continue sky rocketing.

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  1. Like I had said in one of my other post...

    I completely agree that many many people are transitioning these days and I think it's doctors to blame... Walk in and say the magical words "I'm not in the right body" and they fling fairy dust on you and give you hormones.
    There is a process that needs to be gone through to make sure that transitioning is completely necessary and doctors should honestly be revoked of their license from failing to follow through with the process.


    There is something very wrong with this article, I agree.
    Like you said, children shouldn't be treated/educated differently because of their sex.
    I also agree that it does seem that the mother encouraged her daughter more than anything.

    Most kids don't understand the difference between a boy or a girl until it is directly pointed out to them and/or they are taught "gender roles".

    It's sad that society really plays the main part (in my opinion) in someone being "transgender".

    I don't understand how a child can feel as if they are transgender when at their age they shouldn't even know about the "gender roles" society has given us.

    If little girls can dress up in "boy" clothes then little boys should be able to dress up in "girl" clothes as well.

    What is the big deal?
    If there wasn't such an issue with "gender roles" in society and people could dress and act how they please, I think there would be a lot less transgender people.

    I think the actual issues of one being transgender go deeper than what we think. It is more than just "gender roles", that is just my opinion thought, I am not a doctor.

    Again though, that is why there is a process that needs to be forced to go through (for one choosing to go through such a process) by all kinds of doctors.

    They give hormones out like it is candy. Aside from certain beliefs, at a certain age you (if capable) have the right (choice) to do as you please to your own. Thing is though, this is changing your identity almost entirely. Therefore that alone gives grounds for a strict processes to take place.

    -The youth is corrupted, society is corrupted, the world is corrupted.

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  3. This article is from http://www.christian.org.uk/news/school-gives-go-ahead-to-treat-6-year-old-girl-as-a-boy/

    I don't know if it is a credible source, but I've read about the Tavistock clinic. The article states the mother is "working with the Tavistock and Portman Clinic in London."

    This clinic gives GnRH agonists (puberty suppressing drugs) to children. Below is an article about this particular clinic.

    "But it emerged this week that a little boy called Zach Avery, just five years old, now wears his hair permanently in bunches after being assessed by ‘experts’ at the Tavistock and ‘coming out’ as a girl...

    Over the past year, 165 children have been referred to the clinic’s team of social workers, child psychotherapists, psychologists and psychiatrists.

    Seven children under the age of five were officially diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder (GID) — when a person is born one gender, but feels they are the other. "


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106215/Mixed-year-olds-alarming-growth-gender-identity-industry.html#ixzz2nFAb9hB9

    How in the heck does anyone "diagnose" GID in children under the age of five?





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  4. I think children learn early about gender roles, but late about actual biological sex.

    It doesn't take long to work out that your Mum and Dad treat you and your sisters differently from your brothers, that the toys you get are gendered, that no, you can't have a blue toothbrush, you have to have the pink one, that you have to do chores that the boys don't, that what you get rewarded and punished for is the opposite of what the boys get rewarded and punished for... and so on.

    Expressing a desire to 'be a boy" at that age is partly a desire to get yourself out of the class of people whose behaviour is restricted and policed in ways that boys' behaviour is not. Depending how straitjacketed gender roles in the family and school are, it can be no more than a desire to be treated as fully human. It's not a desire to be chemically altered or surgically mutilated, but a desire to be allowed to be psychically whole.

    Anorexia and other eating disorders in children and young people are often not much to do with the desire to be slim, as with what being slim seems to represent. Wouldn't we condemn parents who instantly got their child diet pills?

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  5. Our society is too sensitive. We don't want to discriminate, we want to be understanding, modern and openminded. It seems to me that some doctors and shrinks support the transgender train because they think they're modern and hip. They lost their common sense button, it's misplaced political correctness times 1.000. A huge overkill.

    One day they wake up and realize what they did. The world will be ashamed of the size of the biggest mistake of the century. Ppl will say: How could this have happen? Where were our minds?
    And some ppl will think of a a few blogs who seemed so hostile at the time.


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  6. Kids under five have no clue what it means to be a girl. They believe things like if you dress a boy in pink he will be a girl.

    A huge part of the problem is how adults react when a preschooler says they are really a boy or girl.

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  7. I remember being a 5-year-old gay boy. How badly I wanted to be a girl, so that I could grow my hair long and play with dolls and do all the fun things girls were allowed to do* without being shamed! Thank God it was 1994 and no one dragged me to some perverse "Gender Clinic" so that frankendoctors could pronounce me mentally ill and assign an officer of the jendur police to my kindergarten class. All because of hair and clothes. When this madness comes crashing down, will it bring us gays and lesbians down with it?

    *I have a better perspective on that now, thanks to Radfems.

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  8. Kids have to have pronounced and prolonged gender dysphoria to have medical intervention- not just a passing fancy. It can go on for years and years before hormone blockers are considered. I believe gender identity goes far deeper than sexuality and can be determined earlier. Sexuality often fluctuates. Often "confirmed" lesbians end up going straight later- quite seamlessly. The statistics on de-transition and regret are nil compared to gay attrition. Nevertheless, I would urge kids, parents, and adults to be very, very sure before medically transitioning. The last thing trans people need is a bunch of mentally disordered lesbians and gays claiming to be victims. You have brains- fucling use them. I did.

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  9. I share JDaniel's concerns. If we can't put an end right now to transsex activists' entryism into mainstream gay and lesbian organizations, we will pay a heavy price for it later.
    All my friends were girls until I was sent to an all-boys school at age 7. That was in 1963, and I thought I had it hard then, being forced into boy activities that I utterly failed to understand or relate to.
    We have a duty to try to protect the upcoming generation of proto-dykes and proto-faggots from a worse nightmare of hormonal and surgical manipulation.

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  10. "too sensitive"?

    Fuck that shit, it's not half sensitive enough to the needs of anyone in any way different. I am autistic, as well as intersex, and had to deal with emotional abuse from teachers, violence from other students, getting called a tranny 'cause of my body, and so on. And how does the bullying help anyone?

    Mary.

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  11. @December 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    If GnRH agonists are followed by cross gender hormones at age 16, future fertility can be compromised. We are talking about the sterilization of perfectly healthy children. In addition to the real issue of making children infertile which is usually seen as a gross human rights abuse, Lupron, one of the GnRH agonists that has been given to "gender dysphoric" 12 and 13 year old children has some rather horrible side effects. Simply google it. This class of drugs, GnRH agonists, were orginally used to treat advanced prostate cancer and endometriosis. They shut down the hormones that stimulate tumor growth. They are also used to treat precocious puberty which is an actual medical condition NOT a psychiatric diagnosis in twelve year old children. I could be wrong, but I don't believe GnRH agonists are even approved by the FDA for a psychological diagnosis.

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  12. @December 13, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Mary, disorders of sexual development (intersex) ARE NOT the same thing as transgender. If you don't believe me, then simply google it, or go to any mainstream intersex organization. This has been pointed out on this and other blogs numerous times. Physically, the vast majority of transgender identified people are no different than other people. Disorders of sexual development are actual medical/genetic condtions. The fact that many have children before, or in the case of some FTMs, after "transitioning" is further proof that they have no disorder of sexual development. Many people with a DSD are infertile.

    It's possible for an individual with a disorder of sexual development to identify as transgender, but DSD are actual medical/genetic conditions whereas transgender is essentially a psychological diagnosis. That is, it's in the mind, and thus at least partly culturally based.

    In the 1970s, it was common for surgeons to operate on intersex infants because their genitals didn't look "normal". Most intersex organizations don't believe that children should be automatically subject to surgery. They take a wait and see approach. What does this have to do with transgender? Today, "gender therapists" slap labels of transgender or GID on 5 and 6 year old children. When these kids start puberty, they drug them with GnRH agonists. These children don't have the mental capacity to make informed decisions anymore than the intersex infants that were routinely operated on.

    Haven't people realized that in many cases experimenting on children usually has more to do with the family dynamics, what the parents think, and how they are influenced by cultural factors than anything else.

    Isn't it true that some of the same surgeons who were pioneers in sex reassignment surgery also worked on intersex infants and children?

    Mary, I don't mean to pry, but do you mind if I ask you what DSD (disorder of sexual development) condition you have? The reason I ask this is not to be disrespectful, but some transgender activists have taken upon themselves to throw intersex under the transgender umbrella. Indeed, they have appeared to have completely co-opted the word for their own use.

    Below is a graphic of the "Transgender Umbrella" that lists "Intersex Persons" has transgender. This is such shameless appropriation in my opinion.

    http://transaustin.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/transumbrella.jpg

    This is what a mainstream organization for children and families with DSD (disorders of sexual development) has to say:

    "No. “Transgender” means a person feels the gender assigned to him or her at birth was not the right one for him or her. DSD is, by definition, about atypical development of a person’s body, not about how a person feels about herself or himself. (Recall that DSD are defined by the medical community as “congenital conditions in which development of chromosomal, gonadal or anatomic sex is atypical.”)

    Although it is certainly possible that a child born with DSD will eventually identify as a transgender person, it is also possible for children born without DSD to eventually identify as transgender. Most people with DSD are not transgender, and most transgender people have no identifiable DSD."

    http://www.accordalliance.org/learn-about-dsd/faqs/

    Shameless co-opting intersex. Perhaps this is why people use the term DSD now.

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  13. @December 13, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    The British Society for Paediatric Endocrinology and Diabetes, in its May 2012 Guidelines, list only two licenced indications for GnRH agonist therapy (Triptorelin) in children:
    1. Central precocious puberty;
    2. To delay puberty to maximise growth potential in growth hormone deficient children.

    http://www.bsped.org.uk/clinical/docs/GnRH_AgonistsSharedCareGuidelines-May2012.pdf

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  14. @Anonymous @2:13, therapists may not get involved if a kid says they want to be the other gender one morning, but there are other adults who will react to the kid. That can reinforce the idea that you may be a different sex than your body or that you can change someday.

    I think parents and other caring adults don't see what is coming down the tracks if the kid gets into the idea they are the other sex and need to change their body.

    I think most parents would be horrified if someone said up front, "your kid wants to be the opposite sex? How about we sterilize them with hormones? We don't know the long-term effects, although there is some evidence of increased risks of stroke and cancer. And we can make their genitals match their toys, but they may lose some sensation or be unable to orgasm."

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  15. @anonymous 2:13 again - I think gender identity is something we form early on as we interact with society. It is an intersection between our individual personality traits and how society tells us we should behave based on our sex. Small children are actively interpreting and constructing definitions of what boys and girls are supposed to be. They tend to be even more rigid about this than adults.

    I think it's separate from sexual orientation which shows up later on. However, there is clearly a huge link as most kids who identify as the opposite sex grow to be attracted to people of the same sex (as they were born).

    In terms of de-transition and regret, they really don't know what the rates are. People who detransition may not go back to their therapist. The studies that I have seen have flaws like not everyone who transitioned could be found, the study was done relatively soon after transition, or the questions focussed on how well the operation went. There is also the fact that suicide rate are still higher than the general population.

    It is fair, however,to say that many people transition and are glad they did.

    What we should remember though is that the information on regrets is based on people who were screened before transition. It is from a time when many fewer people transitioned and nobody was posting personal transition videos for their internet friends.

    There are no studies of the long term happiness of kids who were encouraged to believe they could change sex or who delayed puberty, etc. This is a new, fundamentally untested treatment.

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  16. @Anonymous @2:13, therapists may not get involved if a kid says they want to be the other gender one morning, but there are other adults who will react to the kid. That can reinforce the idea that you may be a different sex than your body or that you can change someday.

    I think parents and other caring adults don't see what is coming down the tracks if the kid gets into the idea they are the other sex and need to change their body.

    I think most parents would be horrified if someone said up front, "your kid wants to be the opposite sex? How about we sterilize them with hormones? We don't know the long-term effects, although there is some evidence of increased risks of stroke and cancer. And we can make their genitals match their toys, but they may lose some sensation or be unable to orgasm."

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  17. I think children learn early about gender roles, but late about actual biological sex.

    It doesn't take long to work out that your Mum and Dad treat you and your sisters differently from your brothers, that the toys you get are gendered, that no, you can't have a blue toothbrush, you have to have the pink one, that you have to do chores that the boys don't, that what you get rewarded and punished for is the opposite of what the boys get rewarded and punished for... and so on.

    Expressing a desire to 'be a boy" at that age is partly a desire to get yourself out of the class of people whose behaviour is restricted and policed in ways that boys' behaviour is not. Depending how straitjacketed gender roles in the family and school are, it can be no more than a desire to be treated as fully human. It's not a desire to be chemically altered or surgically mutilated, but a desire to be allowed to be psychically whole.


    As a 40 year old transsexual M2F, I've pretty much come to accept that this is who I am.. end of story, and as such I am dealing with it as best I can.. However, what Sarah said sounds like pretty much how my own feelings of dysphoria began).

    Soon after I turned five, the first of my two sisters was born.. and yep, it took no time at all to see there was a world of difference there (I would hazard to say that prior to that time, my exposure to little girls was minimal at best). That and the very rigid gender stereotyping my parents felt they needed to force on me, their "son", do appear to be what caused my lifelong feelings of being misrepresented.

    As of late, I have begun to speak more openly about this and do believe that had my parents been more supportive of self expression, I feel fairly certain I would have never reached the point where I now live (identifying as female). Instead, I suspect I would have simply been a very effeminate boy and been happy with that.

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  18. Katherine B. - What do you think of modern families who deal with gender non-conforming kids by letting them live as the opposite gender - i.e. dressing like the opposite gender, using pronouns for the other sex, etc.?

    I think there are repressive parents who promote limited sex roles still, but there are also some liberal parents who go along with letting their kids say that they really are the other sex. I find it very troubling.

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  19. gyne = female: going, going, gone?

    http://www.cbc.ca/whitecoat/blog/2013/12/03/why-cant-gynecologists-treat-male-patients/

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  20. "Mary, I don't mean to pry, but do you mind if I ask you what DSD (disorder of sexual development) condition you have?"

    I don't know. I had a bunch of tests, x-rays, etc. when I started bleeding, but I never found out what the results were. I wish I knew.

    Whatever it is has given me a lot of endocrine trouble. So it is a disorder, but not all intersex conditions are disorders.

    - Mary.

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  21. You'd like Mary to dissociate herself from the selfish and crazy transpeople, but first you have to be the judge of whether or not she is a legitimate intersex person. Nice. I think her point is that you are not being decent humans in your approach. Anyone willing to hear that?

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  22. Mary, I hope you are feeling better and the doctors tell you what is wrong.

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  23. Katherine, thanks for your input. I think I understand what you're saying. Your words should be very loud so everybody could hear them.
    I'm sorry to hear that things turned out this way for you and I hope that you still have peace with it. Hugs,


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  24. i think its funny how you think that because the young person wants short hair and wants to were pants that makes the young person interested in being with a female when there older. haha.
    i bet theres millions of people in the world with short hair and pants that have a very happy relationship with a male.

    you should be able to have anybody you want,
    and you should be able to choose weather your perceived as male or female. or choose weather you don't care what your called.
    no matter what you are.
    if you want boobs and don't have any.. go get some don't let fear hold you back.
    and if you want popping "i work fucking hard" pecks and a bit of chest fuzz.. fucking do it . I'm sick of all these scared people in the world who hate change... change is the only thing in this world that will happen for eternity.

    yes the world is sexist... but over time this will change..

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  25. anon at 3:08 - The truth is, we can't have any body we want. We don't get to choose our nose or our age or our genitals. Rich people can pay to change parts of their bodies, but even then, there are physical limits to what is possible.

    You can't choose whether people perceive you as male or female. People get to choose what they think about you.

    Sometimes fear is good. Taking hormones to get breasts makes you infertile. This is a big decision to make.

    Taking hormones to grow muscles is known to cause all kinds of problems for athletes.

    We don't know what the long-term effects are for taking hormones. From what we do know, there is the possibility that it increases the risk of cancer.

    Taking hormones also changes your personality.

    Physical transition is not something people should do just because they want to look a certain way. It should be only for people who really hate their bodies and have gender dysphoria and have tried therapy.

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  26. Nobody's 100% happy with the body they have, or the place they were born or many other things. The trick is to play the best game you can with the hand you were dealt. You don't get any "do-overs". Only children and Americans think that.

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