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Monday, October 28, 2013

Trans Trending-Who is Transitioning-The New Female Malady

 
Ophelia

Augustine

Anna O

Dora

Crazy Jane 

Lucia

Lucie B

 Mary B

Anna W

A short list of young women making up today's female malady victims. The female malady merely changes as society/culture changes, sprouting new disorders and offering up new cures with each generation of women/psychiatrists/therapists. Each cure in each generation failing in their curative promises because the focus of the disorder remains on female victims, rather than the society that created them.

Change society, NOT yourself!

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  1. Every time I start a comment, I end up erasing it. You guys are so pathetic. Feel free to waste your precious life worrying about us, I guess. We are fine. I just feel bad for you.

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  2. Every time I start a comment, I end up erasing it. You guys are so pathetic. Feel free to waste your precious life worrying about us, I guess. We are fine. I just feel bad for you.

    I do worry about females, especially the 14 and 15 year old girls who are already breast binding and talking about "T". At age 16 and 17, they are already talking about "T" (testosterone) and "top surgery" (elective mastectomies with the surgical trimming down of areolas and nipples).

    I also wonder how the doctors who mutilated Nathan/Nancy Verhelst through "top surgery" and then "bottom surgery" feel. How does the doctor who euthanised this poor, profoundly troubled person feel?

    "Each cure in each generation failing in their curative promises because the focus of the disorder remains on female victims, rather than the society that created them.

    This statement is to the point and true. We only have a thousand plus year history to prove this is often correct, and each generation always thinks it's smarter than their predecessors.

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  3. Blogs like this offer a different perspective and that's needed.
    Every girl who doesn't transition after reading it is worth it.
    And we know now that this blog saved women.


    Big

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  4. Hey big thats the biggest load of crap ive ever read ..

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  5. No its not. I was seriously considering transitioning but then I found this blog. I spent hours perusing it, and came to the conclusion that I did not need to change myself to feel okay w myself. I realized I was being plagued by societally imposed internalized misogyny. I have since been much more comfortable and happy with myself, and I've never been more aware of all the blatant misogyny throughout our society that mostly goes unnoticed, and certainly is not criticized

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  6. You had to come to a site where people HATE on transpeople, call us rapists and child molesters, claim we will never find love...to learn about how things really are. To learn to accept yourself. That says a lot about your character. There are many other resources for empowerment that needn't involve denegration of marginalized groups, but this is what you latched on to. This is what I've been saying all along- there is something intrinsically wrong with the people who support Dirt's strategy. You were mentally ill
    long before you ever heard of transpeople.

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  7. I do not believe Dirt or anybody here hates transpeople. We just understand that there is no need to be "trans" and radically alter ones natural form. Society teaches us to fit ourselves into a box of what gender "is". Dirt understands that this is ludicrous and tries to get people to see through this flawed way of thinking. Open your eyes, if you think you need to transition in order to truly be yourself, you are being close minded!

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  8. Very well said, Superslayer.

    Big

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  9. Okay. Look back in her posts. If you believe suggesting a group of people are rapists and child molesters at a higher rate than the general population BECAUSE they are a part of a minority is not hate, then you fail. If you
    discovered you can opt out of transness because there was no need, then you, me and
    Dirt all win. I have no desire to share ranks with gender dilettantes and women with low
    self-esteem looking for a cure all. Or to be
    "hotter". All the theory in the world will not stop a person who desires the changes available through surgery and hormones. I think there are a bunch of confused lesbians getting wrapped up in this issue and maybe that's who you want to save. I personally wish they would fuck off too.

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  10. These beautiful young women (they are female) have been brainwashed.

    They really think just because they didn't play with Barbie dolls when they were seven years old, or didn't do things stereotypically associated with girls, then this must mean they really are "trans" or boys. Twenty years ago, these girls were just called tomboys, but now they are saying they are "pre-T" at age 16. Enforcing sex based stereotypes on girls who don't play with dolls or like wearing dresses by telling them they really are trans, or are actually male is sexist on its face. In reality, transgender as we see it evolving today is one of the most regressive things imaginable. Humans born female who step outside the boundaries of traditional sex roles are really boys because only girls do X and boys do Y. It's an Orwellian form of sexism cloaked in a veneer of something viewed as progressively trendy and cool. They even hide the reality of the ghastly surgical procedures involved in FTM "transitioning" behind words such as "top surgery" and "bottom surgery".

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  11. @October 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    What happens to the female sex does matter. I sure as heck hope you are right about FTM "transitioning" because it does resemble female genital mutilation if you are wrong. We already have seen one example of a female post "transitioning" mutilated and euthanized body.

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  12. In a world in which girls are so devalued that there are 163 million missing girls from India and China (Hvistendahl), what does it mean to further erode female identity. These are female fetuses that weren't even allowed to come into this world. Think about this for awhile. This amounts to approximately the entire female population of the U.S.

    What happens to the female sex does matter. We need more females in the world not fewer females. No one is telling these girls that it's okay to break out of the sex based stereotypes and still be a proud and strong female. What we are seeing today is almost the eugenics of gender-nonconforming females. When 5 year old girls are being called "trans" and "he" because they don't like playing with dolls, something is going on that most people intuitively sense is troubling.

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  13. @superslayer

    Stay strong...you are beautiful just the way you are...

    For any female to truly feel comfortable in her own skin is a revolutionary act in and of itself. Think of the millions of dollars spent on all the plastic surgery, fashion, makeup, Botox, accessories, etc., etc. The only way they can sell all this is by convincing women that they are some how inherently flawed, and thus in need of some external source (chemical/surgery) to make them complete.

    @superslayer

    Have you ever been to this blog?

    http://crashchaoscats.tumblr.com/

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  14. Will be interesting to see what evolves as the younger FTMs age. That smug,precious widdle boy look will fade and they'll be left looking like some off center creepy dude with a bald spot. If they survive the years if injecting hormones that is. Since this is basically an unregulated experiment,we may never know. Especially if FTMs top posting on YouTube.









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  15. "Smug, precious widdle boy"

    You sittin around waiting for us to die? That sounds like the mentality of a sociopath. You
    are dead on the inside already. And probably
    out of shape and ugly to boot, but who's really
    keeping score here? I mean, why else would
    you be sounding so bitter? I like to assess
    people's worth based on their character, personally, rather than their gender- trans or otherwise. That concept seems to have eluded this particular subset of a subset of
    (in)humanity.

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  16. @October 31, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    Yes, it is an experiment. The GnRH agonists for children and the "T" (testosterone) are all experiments of sorts. I don't know if I would call FTM "top surgery" and "bottom surgery" experiments. To me, they resemble female genital mutilation.

    @October 31, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    This ghoulish experiment being carried out on the female sex ("transitioning") "top surgery" (elective mastectomies with the surgical whittling down of areolas and nipples), "bottom surgery" (ghastly surgical procedures on health female genitals), and "T" (testosterone) didn't work for Nancy/Nathan Verhelst. This emotionally fragile person was so depressed after sex reassignment surgery that she begged a doctor to euthanise her. She wasn't happy with the way she looked after the surgery, and said the skin flap taken from her arm that were sewn onto her female pubic area shown signs of rejection.

    After the eutanasia of Nancy/Nathan, what did the transgender community do? They essentially blamed it all on the mother. It wasn't the doctors fault who mutilated this healthy female body, and it wasn't the doctor who euthanised her. I haven't come across one trans identified person who said, "Wait, perhaps some people shouldn't "transition".

    I want ALL females to live, and they don't need to mutilate their perfectly healthy bodies. Also, 11 and 12 year old healthy kids don't need GnRH agonists. Not only do trans activists promote FTM "transitioning", they support the drugging of children. They don't even care if these children are sterilized because they know full well that cross gender hormones followed by GnRH agonists can cause infertility. It's amazing what doctors can do under the general heading of "gender identity". They can even sterilize children.


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  17. RE:"And probably out of shape and ugly to boot, but who's really
    keeping score here? "

    Since you're keeping score: I work out regularly, and don't have to do T to pump more weight to prove my manliness. That's sick son.

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  18. Since this is basically an unregulated experiment,we may never know.

    Calling this an unregulated experiment is correct. They don't want regulation no matter how many mutilated bodies stack up. The unpleasnt things are hidden. When they can't be hidden any longer, they go into damage control mode. This is being pushed primarily through politics not sound science, logic, or reason. They don't care about the children who are drugged, or what "T" does to biological females.

    There isn't even a precise definition of "gender identity" or "gender dysphoria" in that it's mostly up for individual interpretation. How do we actually quantify a feeling or belief that someone is "trapped in the wrong body", or whatever? There are therapists and online gender therapists who will write a "T letter" for just about anyone. Some doctors are even giving out prescriptions for "T" on an informed consent model. The woman doesn't even need a letter from a therapist saying they are "gender dysphoric", or whatever. Besides, on thousands of trans blogs, they will tell you best places to get the "T letter", and the doctors and therapists who ask few questions.

    It's amazing how history tends to repeat itself. Respected physicians who were performing lobotomies and other ghoulish treatments and procedures were seen as progressive humanitarians too.

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  19. They don't even care if these children are sterilized because they know full well that cross gender hormones followed by GnRH agonists can cause infertility.

    Clarification...GnRH agonists

    If cross gender hormones are given after the GnRH agonists, future fertility can be compromised. They know this, but trans activists usually leave this part out of the discussion. These children aren't allowed to go through normal adolescent development because they are drugged with GnRH agonists. Human beings who are denied a normal part of human development because they are said to have a psychological disorder, "gender dyshporia", or GID. It sounds all so Orwellian. Some of these kids are slapped with this label at age 5 or 6. Then, some are given cross gender hormones at age 16.

    Lupron is one GnRH agonist that was, and perhaps still is, given to children because of the psychological diagnosis of "gender dysphoria". There have been complaints about this drug going back decades. The GnRH agonists were originally used to treat advanced prostate cancer and endometriosis. They block the hormones that stimilate tumor growth and spur the growth of endometrial tissue. They have also been used to treat precocious puberty in children. Precocious puberty is NOT the same as transgender. The Supprelin implant is usually used.

    The medical rationale is that it would be too traumatic for some "transgender" 11 or 12 year old kids to go through puberty. Also, these kids are said to "pass" better as adults. It's primarily for cosmetic reasons. They weren't allowed to go through puberty to being with, and then they were pumped with cross gender hormones.

    There are usually ethical issues involved in the sterilization of children. It's usually seen as a human rights abuse. Moreover, I argue that deliberately stopping a normal part of human development, adolescence, comes with its own set of ethical issues.

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  20. For the record, I do crossfit stuff, rather than lifting lots of weight. I care about strength, agility, fitness, and cardiovascular health. In case you were worried about my health, you should know I have excellent blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, and liver values. Not to mention a BMI in the "athlete" range. Since
    you are the one bringing up competitiveness,
    I'm assuming that's your prime motivation here. I've got nothing to prove to anyone. Son.

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  21. Nothing to prove but yet you list your activities and athletic range. You win son. Bragging rights and all. Crossfit is nothing short of narcissist bullwaddle. But it sure is trendy,son. As is the FTM craze. So it all fits, don't it? Yeeha.

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  22. Now we have a term that neatly describes the FTM phenom...narrcisstic bullwaddle. I for one am relieved.

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  23. Hmmmm. Crossfit is for narcissists as opposed to....weightlifting and having big muscles that one can barely do anything with? Sounds logical. Good comeback, too. I think I know who's doing the waddling here.

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  24. Well I'm a rancher so my muscles do get put to use. But look, glad you're healthy and living your dream. Just makes me sad to see all the tykes changing, thinking they've found the answer thru hormones and surgery.

    I'm very grateful feminism gave me a perspective early on so I didn't need to alter my body and being. Because you'll never alter the core.Take care.

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  25. In all seriousness, it makes me sad to see *anyone* think they've found any one answer to the problem of being human. So many people think of themselves as different from other people in some fundamental way. This can lead to some very self-destructive behavior. I've seen so many gays and lesbians in the throes of addiction and self-hatred or putting up with abusive relationships. Around me I see so many people frantically trying to heal themselves with a thousand forms of co-opted religious practices and spiritualities which cannot be lifted from a people and transferred to another people. Life is hard. It sucks sometimes. Also, there is so much beauty. There is no one fix for all your suffering. I know you cannot change the core of a person, and I definitely don't want to change my core. The way I see it, this problem of people wanting a cure-all is a human problem. Not just a trans problem. The fact that you pick on us seems like a real personal issue for you. I understand that but I wish you would just be honest about the emotional component that leads you to choose us to pick on. Honestly, I sincerely doubt that many transitioners will wake up one day and decide that *transition* was the one thing they wish they could take back. We all have a process as humans. Growth and change and maturity are not precluded by transition. We still get to have a human process. When I get to my deathbed, I will still have to accept myself and the way I lived my life. I have done everything I can to be as true to myself as possible, despite the naysayers, the mentally ill meddlers, the shit-talking sufferers. I have accepted the one thing I was most terrified of admitting from the time I learned to speak. I'm glad that you are happy with your choices but I don't accept that they are superior. This is my row to hoe.

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  26. To above beautifuly written:-)

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  27. If tomorrow women decided they really liked their bodies imagine how many industeries would disappear from madonna site..

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  28. I don't think it's a matter of non-trans-believers 'choices' having superiority over any others; for me it's just a belief that one's 'gender' is no more a choice than any other biological happenstance (and that it has nothing to do with how one thinks or what one likes to do or wear).

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  29. So if people stop justifying their transition by saying stupid shit about clothes and toys (which they will eventually as the public and the medical establishment realizes they have no right to demand justification) then you'll be fine. 98% of us you wouldn't even know about if you weren't seeking us out. Tracking down the issue.

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  30. So then, do tell, what IS gender defined by?

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  31. In all seriousness, it makes me sad to see *anyone* think they've found any one answer to the problem of being human.

    No one has found the answer to the problem of being human. If someone says they have, this individual is delusional. About the only thing more delusional is the idea that humans born female can magically make themselves male, and males can make themselves female. Sex reassignment surgery is nothing more than extensive plastic surgery one one's healthy genitals. They aren't actually the opposite sex, but we have to pretend they are. I haven't found the answer to being human, but basic biology teaches us that primates can't change their sex, and humans reproduce sexually. Please don't go into the whole intersex argument because intersex (rare disorders of sexual development) are NOT the same as transgender. The vast majority of transgender identified people are biological male or biological female with no actual DSD medical diagnosis. It's all in their minds, and thus at least partly culturally based. History has taught us four things. First, seeking true fulfillment and an inner sense of peace based on years of injecting external chemicals and undergoing surgical procedures on healthy organs and tissue often leaves one ultimately feeling empty. We are left with a surgically altered body, but are still depressed. It sure didn't work for the trans female in Belgium who was so depressed after sex reassignment surgery that she begged to be euthanized. If a person doesn't love themselves to begin with and is emotionally unstable, no amount of surgery can change this. We have one mutilated and euthanized female body. What more proof do we need? Second, all drugs and surgical procedures come with risks. If drugs and surgery are needed to treat an actual medical condition, then most people would agree that risk is well worth it. As to FTM "transitioning" (biological females who "transition"), there really isn't any medical rationale to perform radical surgery on healthy breasts and genitals. The stark reality is something that is cloaked behind words such as "top surgery" and "transitioning". Females are getting what essentially amounts to elective mastectomies with the surgical trimming down of areolas and nipples because of what basically amounts to a psychological diagnosis. Because it's essentially a psychological diagnosis, it's partly cultural based. It's not something that can be clearly quantified. The fact that trans activists see no problem in drugging children with GnRH agonists is rather shocking to me. Third, the history behind surgical cures for what is a psychological issue or diagnosis is rather ghoulish. Indeed, ghoulish doesn't properly describe it. Psychiatrists once held in high esteem used to perform transorbital lobotomies to cure mental illness and various other mental conditions and maladies. Some actually considered it a cure because many of these patients were docile afterward.

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  32. Fourth, if we look at FTM "transitioning" realistically, it radically alters healthy female breasts, genitals, and reproductive systems. I've said it many times before, but I'll keep repeating it. The mutilation of female bodies has history. From Chinese foot binding to breast ironing, it never seems to completely go out of style. It's always been with us. I've always said that I would be more willing to accept FTM "transitioning" if we lived in a world where crushing misogyny didn't exist. In a world in which girls are as valued as boys. People have no problem accepting the idea that deep seated cultural misogyny is responsible for female genital mutilation, breast ironing, and other practices. For some reason, FTM "transitioning" is off limits. We are supposed to believe that FTM "transitioning" exists in a complete cultural vacuum. All the trans blogs, websites, plastic surgeons, gender therapists, etc. play no role in pushing transitioning. We know something is going on, and it's mostly cultural driven. By cultural, I mean everything around us including media sources. All we have to do is look at the mutilated and euthanized body of Nancy/Nathan Verhelst and watch youtube video after youtube video of 15 and 16 pre-everything ("T", surgery) girls.

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  33. @ superslayer

    "So then, do tell, what IS gender defined by?"

    As I understand it, they don't have a precise definition of "gender identity" other than how one self-identifies at any particular point in time. People do detransition, or go back to being the sex they were born into.

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  34. Why dont you transphobic bigots piss off back to the planet from which you came from!

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  35. "So then, do tell, what IS gender defined by?"

    Gender is a bunch of shit. The *body* however, is another story.

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  36. "We have one mutilated and euthanized female body. What more proof do we need?"

    Uh, more than one. That's how much more. Are you an idiot?

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  37. Anon @8:57, As they get older they end up like charles asher - single, balding, very labile, looking 10 years older than they really are and grappling more than ever with the fact that they don't have a dick and trying to rationalize that - it's fully nuts actually - going to extremes to redifine penetration, saying they are in fact more manly than real men,etc. That's pretty much the hard,cold reality. Just being so lost in themselves.
    It's really the opposite of just going through life as a Lesbian, where out in society you may always have people looking at you like you have 3 heads,and it does suck sometimes, but you can make peace with yourself, find a great partner and have a very positive private life.
    Germany

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  38. I'm 21. I began binding my chest when I was 14. I've been on testosterone since I was 17. My health insurance just approved me last week for the bilateral mastectomy (keyhole procedure) I plan to have. None of these things have ever been "pushed" on me. There were endless obstacles I had to navigate. I had to see a psychologist very regularly for more than a year before she would consider referring me to an endocrinologist. I had to have a complete physical before hormones were prescribed. I get blood tests every three months to make sure my cholesterol and hormone levels are healthy. There has been rigorous requirements for each step of this process.

    I am out, because I have nothing to hide. I love my body because it is uniquely mine. I love every curve I have and every muscle and every freckle. I do not have any body hatred. This is how I am today, and I will be different in a few months, and I will my body then. I will love my body when I get wrinkles and age spots. Each is a stage, and I respect that fact that each stage has something knew to teach me about myself.

    To the person that "spent hours perusing" the idea of transition... I'm glad you DIDN'T transition, with that piddly amount of forethought. You're not skimming a magazine in a waiting room. It's a very serious, deeply personal, life-long decision. Perused... honestly.

    I am not transitioning because I hate myself. I have never identified as a lesbian. I have never identified as female. I am transitioning because it is what is right for me. I know this after more than 15 years of contemplation, not perusing.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this, but I would always ask for basic respect. I am not a female. Calling me, and people like me, 'she' just systematically devalues the struggle I've been through in my life.

    All of the 'facts' I've seen on here are hearsay, outdated, or argumentative. You have de-transitioned people that speak of the evils of transitioning? Is that not like me citing ex-lesbians that speak of the evils of lesbianism? Isn't it more reasonable to assume they weren't trans or lesbian in the first place? That's not a case of regret, that's a case of poor forethought.

    Maybe you should spend more time cherishing all of the good things in your lives, than spending your time attacking innocent young adults and an already demonized segment of society. You have to admit it's a little odd for adults to dedicate so much time and effort to talking about something they are not interested in. You thinking you should be able to stop a transman from transitioning is like a man thinking he has say over women's reproductive health. It's not your body; keep your politics / ideals away.

    I have a lot of happiness in my life, between my job and my fiancee and my family. I hope each of you trans-critics can find that same happiness some day.

    Have a lovely day. I know I will.

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  39. Anon 5:20 - When something new starts going on in society affecting large numbers of young women, especially as in this case the ftM trend is affecting predominantly young Lesbians, you can be sure the "older" Lesbians will be looking very critically at what's going on.
    Germany

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  40. Nicki, you are a pure product of the Gender Straight Jacket, along with the Male Medical Machine you sought/seek help from. You werent raised in a vacuum, but you do have the choice via feminism to see outside of it.

    dirt

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  41. This response is not meant to pick.As a butch who has lived and witnessed six decades of woman hating and loving, one does not have everything figured out at 21. Yet you are undergoing a radical and irreversible change to your body.

    And yes, part of the trans trend is to viciously attack and devalue older feminists who question the craziness of the whole FTM thing...but just like you have the right to mutilate your body,we have the right to call it like we see it. I do hope you find your peace. But turning yourself into a faux male is not the answer. That you may realize at 27 or 31.

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  42. @5:20: I don't give a flying fig about ex-lesbians or anyone else criticizing lesbianism.

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  43. Dirt, my name is Nicholas. Legally. Changed it when I was 18. You feminizing that is offensive.

    Anonymous 7:17- I don't feel anything I said was vicious. I think that half the people I've see post here go a little overboard in their feminism, but if it makes them happy, cool. I've certainly found my peace.

    Anonymous 7:32- many of the arguments used against trans people are the same arguments used against gay and lesbian people.

    "Not natural"
    "Brainwashed by society"
    "Just a phase"
    "Too young to know how they feel."
    My favorite: "Deep down, you really are straight."

    A lot of people have elective surgeries. Fork tongues jump to mind. My question is, why do you guys devote so much effort to discussing a topic that doesn't pertain to you? If you don't like SRS operations... don't get one.

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  44. None of these trans-supporters have sufficiently answered my question. If gender is NOT defined by socially dictated stereotypes, then what IS it defined by?? And if you do define yourself based on socially dictated stereotypes, then at least call it what it is, you are trying to fit and follow other people's rules rather than make your own. Also, at 'Nick', you misinterpreted my comment. I did not only spend hours considering transition, if you would like to understand my experience look in the 'why I haven't transitioned' stories under 'cassandra'

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  45. "but you can make peace with yourself, find a great partner and have a very positive private life."

    ...consisting of relentlessly obsessing over people who are different than you. Very nice life indeed!

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  46. This is your big fight in life, then. To be gender non-conforming and to treat it as the fulcrum point of your entire life here on earth. The friction that makes your life worth living, I guess. This is the way you are going to "think for yourself"? I can think of a hundred other ways a person can be of think for themselves. A person can transition and still: make art, write and publish, make films and documentaries bringing injustice to light, be a political organizer, be a social worker, be a nurse, be a public speaker, raise a child, be an educated consumer and support local businesses, have a radio show, be a musician, be monogamous, be polyamorous, be pierced and tattooed, be straight-laced and church-going. Choosing the body you want to do all that in is hardly the crux.

    Because you are so wrapped up in this issue, you can't see beyond the end of your nose. Your identity is now wrapped up in this anti-trans thing like your lives depend on it. Meanwhile, trans people are saying, "this is how I want to go through life" and then they are doing it. Just going ahead and doing it without your permission, without your approval of their definition of gender, without explaining their gender to you satisfactorily. You don't grill perceived straight dudes and ladies about their gender, or gay dudes and ladies, so why grill us? Gender presentation is about 1% of the entire package. There are so many other ways to make up and live by your own rules. Your focus strikes me as childish and naive, which should come as no surprise. I mean, how mature are you going to be allowed to get as a human if you are so waylaid by this non-issue?

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  47. Anyone know lizard man hes awesome:-)

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  48. "We have one mutilated and euthanized female body. What more proof do we need?"

    Uh, more than one. That's how much more. Are you an idiot?

    Exactly how many mutilated female bodies do we need before people finally admit that trans activists, trans blogs, trans websites, plastic surgeons, gender therapists, doctors who prescribe "T" etc. have been all too eager to push "transitioning" (surgery and hormones)? Could someone give me a number?

    Nancy/Nathan was so depressed after botched sex reassignment surgery that she asked to be euthanized. I would say begging a doctor to euthanize you falls under the category of serious depression. By all accounts, this poor soul was brought up in a dysfunctional home and was emotionally unstable. Still, the doctors "transitioned" her.

    "I was ready to celebrate my new birth. But when I looked in the mirror, I was disgusted with myself. 'My new breasts did not match my expectations and my new penis had symptoms of rejection. I do not want to be... a monster.'"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441468/Mother-Belgian-transsexual-chose-die-says-death-doesnt-bother-me.html#ixzz2jcSRqolp

    The skin flap taken from her arm that was sewn onto her pubic area to fashion a "penis" was about to rot off. I imagine this was would make anyone depressed.

    Again, could someone please tell me how many mutilated female bodies do we need? It would be helpful to give me a number.

    Sex reassignment surgery is not something that can be easily undone.

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  49. A lot of people have elective surgeries. Fork tongues jump to mind.

    Do people who do that demand that everyone else pretend they're actually reptiles?

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  50. Anonymous 7:32- many of the arguments used against trans people are the same arguments used against gay and lesbian people.

    In this post, I will restrict my comments to "transitioning" (surgery and hormones). There is probably more of a biological basis for homosexuality than there is for transexuality. By transsexual, I mean people who undergo sex reassignment surgery and take hormones. Gender non-conforming people have always existed, but they weren't always called transgender. Sex reassignment surgery is relatively new on the long time line of history. Homosexuality, or same sex sexual behavior has been observed in certain species of primates and most mammals. Of course, non-human primates can't identify as homosexual, but we can observe the sexual behavior. Do primates change their sex? There are some species of fish that change sex, but primates and mammals don't. I suggest the following experiment. Go to a primate center or zoo and watch the different species of primates. Spend several hours just observing. Take notes if necessary. Do this every day for a month or two. Do they change their sex? Genetically, all primates are 90% similar. Same sex sexual attraction goes back to ancient Greece, and it's observed in primates and mammals. Sex reassignment surgery is a socially prescribed cure for a culturally defined condition. There really is no biological basis for it.

    Please stop comparing homosexuality to sex reassignment surgery. It's a fact that there have been periods in history in which sex reassignment surgery has been used as a means of social control, specifically the erasing of gay and lesbian identity. It's a well documented fact that the Iranian government uses sex reassignment surgery as a way to deal with its homosexual problem. Apparently, there are no homosexual in Iran. At least, this is what the government tells us. However, the Iranian government will help pay for sex reassignment surgery. Technically, if they change their sex, gay men are "women", and therefore it's not a sin if they have sex with a man. Or, something like this. Homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran. Why would one of the most oppressive governments on the face of the earth pay for sex reassignment surgery yet execute homosexuals?

    Perhaps in western countries we engage in a more subtle form of gay and lesbian eugenics. I'm not saying it's intentional. Rather, it's a more refined and subtle approach. We slap a label of "transgender" on tomboys (think butch lesbian) and sissy boys (think limp wristed fag) when then they are ten or eleven, and pump them full of GnRH agonists when they start puberty. Cross gender hormones and surgery follows. What do we know about gender non-conforming children?

    According to, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981931

    “Most children with gender dysphoria will not remain gender dysphoric after puberty. Children with persistent GID are characterized by more extreme gender dysphoria in childhood than children with desisting gender dysphoria. With regard to sexual orientation, the most likely outcome of childhood GID is homosexuality or bisexuality.”

    I can't stand it when they always compare sex reassignment surgery, or "transitioning" to gay and lesbian. It's not a matter of whether or not "transitioning" is being used to erase gay and lesbian identity. Rather, it's a matter of degree, or to what extent it's happening.

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  51. A lot of people have elective surgeries. Fork tongues jump to mind.

    Excellent response...

    Do people who do that demand that everyone else pretend they're actually reptiles?

    It would be politically incorrect to not call them reptiles. All that it takes for a human to be a reptile is a bit of plastic surgery. If we really want to get ghoulish in a creepy Frankenstein kind of way, geneticists could try some weird genetic experiments, but I would hate to see the results. Breed humans with reptile genes. We could have transgender trans species human reptiles.

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  52. You thinking you should be able to stop a transman from transitioning is like a man thinking he has say over women's reproductive health. It's not your body; keep your politics / ideals away.

    This is my suggestion. Replace transman with who this human being really is and transitioning with what it actually entails and see how this sounds.

    You thinking you should be able to stop a transman (biological female) from transitioning (elective mastectomies with the surgical trimming down of areolas and nipples, radical alteration of female genitals and reproductive systems) is like a man thinking he has say over women's reproductive health. It's not your body; keep your politics / ideals away.

    It's really difficult to keep the politics completely out of the dialogue. The mutilation of female bodies has a history, and girls and women are still universally devalued.

    If anorexic females want to starve themselves to death (this has happened), then it's their body. Why are most anorexics and bulimics female? We aren't supposed to ask this question because it's their body. Why are the vast majority of plastic surgery patients female? We can't ask these questions because it's their body.

    If a pregnant female is feeling pressure to abort her female fetus because the family and the culture prefers boys, it's her body. Technically, the 163 million aborted female fetuses that are missing from India and China were the result of choice. No one put a gun to the heads of these women.

    I don't know why this person brought up reproductive health care for women. I've always supported contraception and abortion. However, I also realize that there are enormous and systematic cultural pressures put on women. Simply saying keep politics out of it because it's the individual's body as if humans aren't influenced by culture is rather simplistic.



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  53. A lot of people have elective surgeries. Fork tongues jump to mind.

    Excellent response...

    Do people who do that demand that everyone else pretend they're actually reptiles?

    What about the cat lady? Wasn't there a lady who got a zillion plastic surgeries because she wanted to look like a cat? We have to start addressing her as feline something or other.

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  54. Dont know cat lady but know cat man he looks like a tiger hes awesome..

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  55. I want to follow up on the Lizard Man, cat woman, tiger man, or whatever. When we look at these people (they really are people not reptiles or cats), it should be obvious to anyone that these individuals have almost an addiction to plastic surgery.

    Look at this photograph of this woman. This woman looks freakier than Michael Jackson whose nose is said to have fallen off from so many surgeries. Did the zillion plastic surgeries make Michael Jackson feel more secure and at peace with himself. He was one screwed up dude. Talented yes, but screwed up. This isn't funny to me. It's incredibly sad and pathetic. It's has to be coming from a deep seated sense of insecurity.

    http://starcasm.net/archives/15419

    This video of people who went over board with the plastic surgery is down right creepy.

    http://www.surgeryshock.com/celebrities/eric-sprague/



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  56. I think i read somewhere the cat man transformed himself into a cat because he loved cats so much..theres also the vampire lady .. I wont ever judge these people there special..

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  57. You have de-transitioned people that speak of the evils of transitioning? Is that not like me citing ex-lesbians that speak of the evils of lesbianism? Isn't it more reasonable to assume they weren't trans or lesbian in the first place? That's not a case of regret, that's a case of poor forethought.


    These sentences make no sense at all.

    Is that not like me citing ex-lesbians that speak of the evils of lesbianism?

    No, it would be more accurate to state that FTM "transitioning" is one way to dump the lesbian label and step up in social standing. All we have to do is ask ourselves who has more privilege and social standing. Is it males or females. Who is marginalized more? Is it heterosexuals or lesbians? Many FTMs have relationships with women before getting their breasts lopped off and becoming straight "men". They still are biologically female no matter how much "T" they take. They will never know how men feel when they are sexually aroused. Biological females who are primarily attracted to other females are called lesbian. Biological females who are primarily attracted to other females and who take synthetic hormones and get their breasts lopped off are called transmen even though they will never know how males actually feel when they are aroused. They don't ejaculate like men, and they will never make a female pregnant. Some even have children AFTER legally changing their sex to male. Many do this when they are legally married to females, or with women. Some still have sex with males. Here is the truth folks dare not whisper. Most FTMs are just lesbians who got their boobs lopped off.

    You have de-transitioned people that speak of the evils of transitioning? ...That's not a case of regret, that's a case of poor forethought.

    Read this article from a detransitioner called "Socialized Trans".

    "One way to describe part of my experience is to say that I was socialized “trans”. That is, people assumed I was trans and treated me how they thought a trans person ought to be treated regardless of how I identified myself at the time. This treatment over time began to effect how I saw myself, helped to instill a trans male identity and encouraged me to transition. I think this is a phenomena that effects many females who are butch, “masculine” or otherwise don’t fit conventional “femininity”.

    When I say that females are socialized “trans”, I mean that they’re treated as though their qualities, behaviors, mannerisms, appearances, and so forth are taken as indicators that they’re trans and so they get male pronouns, get asked when they’re going to transition, complimented on how well they pass, etc."

    http://crashchaoscats.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/socialized-trans/

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  58. "Socialized Trans" continued...

    "This “trans” socialization consists of several components. One is deciding that certain actions, appearances, practices etc are signs that a person is trans/male rather than a woman, female, and/or butch. This is based off the assumptions that any perceived “masculinity” is maleness and that stepping outside the female role and temperament makes one not a female. This belief that being/acting a certain way puts one outside “woman” or “female” can be an unconscious policing of the female category, a way to ensure that its boundaries are maintained. These judgments and assumptions are also linked to the belief that “man are like this, women are like that” and that these differences are fixed and innate and due to biology, not culture. Therefore if a female is “like a male” then they must be biologically male in some sense because biology is what makes someone “like a male” or “like a female”. There is constant propaganda that women and men are different and that these differences are rooted in the body and there’s not too much out there challenging these beliefs with the same force of those promoting them.

    Another part is treating the presumed trans man’s behavior and self expression as more acceptable because they’re trans/male. This “masculinity” or whatever isn’t supposed to be present in a female body but being trans explains and makes it acceptable. What was unsightly, confusing or unnatural before is now something this person can feel entitled to. Males are still generally treated better than females and male “masculinity” is certainly better respected than female “masculinity”. I’ve found that people will treat me more like a human when I’m seen as a “normal” male instead of a female genderfreak. When I pass I don’t get stared at, people don’t get confused or disturbed and not know how to handle me and I don’t need to be as anxious about people fucking with me. Being seen as male can grant females more freedom to express themselves, ease some social burdens. We should not be surprised to find some females taking on trans male identities because of this.
    "

    http://crashchaoscats.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/socialized-trans/

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  59. You have de-transitioned people that speak of the evils of transitioning? ...That's not a case of regret, that's a case of poor forethought.

    Every person who "transitions" was convinced that she or he was doing the right thing. Perhaps it's not so much "poor forethought" as it's cultural forces (trans blogs, websites, countless youtube videos, etc.) which tell 14, 15, and 16 year old girls that they really must be trans because they didn't like Barbie dolls when they were kids.

    Here is another detransition blog.

    http://atlasstrawberries.tumblr.com/

    What exactly do people "transition" to, and what is the origin of this word?

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  60. Anon@2:40 -- I would say we are more alike than different, which is why I understand you. You and I are both women. No matter what you do to yourself in efforts to conform and “be normal”, your core female self remains. That’s why it’s a good idea to make peace with yourself without all the superficial “beauty” operations, permanently f—king up your health with hormones, and even lessening your ability to feel sexual pleasure through these mangling operations which always result in scar tissue. I’m not saying it’s easy, but I’m very sorry for you that you will never know what it’s like to have made the most of whatever you were given and to be able to look at yourself clear-eyed in the mirror. That goes for all these young girls in these videos.
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  61. And what do you all have to say about the transmem and transwomen that undergo SRS and then, you know, live happily ever after?

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  62. well you know,a lot of them aren't you know living happily after after. as evidenced by a good portion of the youtube vids. diappointments,unknown illness, not passing after four years of hormones. and even the FTMs who do pass find something else to boo how about. because a good lot of the whole FTM thing is narcissistic,look at me I'm a special snowflake. sad really.

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  63. "You and I are both women. No matter what you do to yourself in efforts to conform and “be normal”, your core female self remains."

    Let's see...normal? Not even close. I have no aspirations towards being normal or conforming. In exactly ONE out of ONE THOUSAND ways might I be considered normal. I no longer look like a gender non-conforming woman. That's it. The end. Why do I have to keep explaining to you that a human life has so many more aspects to it? Is it because your life doesn't? That seems sad. What is your potential as a human? What could you be doing if you didn't substitute being a mild aberration on a boring scale with having an actual identity?

    As far as being a woman goes, I know my chromosomes are xy. Since we can agree that socialized gender is bullshit, that leaves the physical. I have predominant male hormones which affect my mind, my body, my relations, and my experience in the world. Also, its been many years, so that experience is gathered over a substantial portion of my time on earth. I don't think a "core" or a "self" actually has a gender in the way that most people think about gender. I know how I feel, but I would never talk about it in terms of clothing or toys. If you'd like to quantify what part of me is a "woman", I'll listen. You should share what meaning that is supposed to have for you, me, or anyone else in the world. Chromosomes don't dictate how a person relates to the world or who they are. Chromosomes don't talk through me as some kind of "self".

    "...permanently f—king up your health with hormones, and even lessening your ability to feel sexual pleasure through these mangling operations which always result in scar tissue."

    Like I said, my health is pretty awesome and my sexual pleasure is well, none of your business, but it's great. Thanks for your concern.

    "I’m not saying it’s easy, but I’m very sorry for you that you will never know what it’s like to have made the most of whatever you were given and to be able to look at yourself clear-eyed in the mirror."

    I have indeed made the most of what I was given. I'm not lying to myself about anything-but I used to. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror when I said things like what you are saying now. That's how we were alike at one time. I hated myself when I really thought I knew the truth about other people's lives and their motivations. I hated myself when I projected my fears and self-hatred onto transmen who transitioned. I felt falsely superior because I thought I was "being who I am". But who was that person? A lying, obsessive shell. That's when I couldn't look at myself in the eye. But you can only lie for so long before the pressure becomes unbearable. Once I admitted what my real motivation for the hatred was, truth became preferable. I'm not sure if I'll ever forgive myself for the length of that self-deception. Can you forgive a homophobe who beats up gays if they come out later? I'm not sure I can. I'll admit I have a chip on my shoulder regarding trans-bashing "lesbians". I've seen far too many of you transition later. I don't want to see any of you fall in the same trap. I don't think we are all that different either. So if you find you aren't quite getting on with your life because of this issue...

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  64. 8:16

    just a longer version of the standard 'you are scared of trans because you are really trans in denial' crap

    and do you really think that being opposed to the theory of transsexualism means not getting on with one's life?

    & how is accepting one's body self-deception! such a twisted version of reality.

    (trans to me looks like any other mental illness/pain made physically manifest, like with anorexics or people with other food issues, plastic surgery addicts, the steroid abusing muscle-obsessed etc)

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  65. "As far as being a woman goes, I know my chromosomes are xy."

    Chromosomes don't dictate how a person relates to the world or who they are. Chromosomes don't talk through me as some kind of "self".


    Is this individual female? I'm confused because I was assuming that this person was a transman (biological female who identifies as transgender). XX is female. Every now and then there is XXX or X0 (only one X chromosome -Turners Syndrome is viable). Yes, females really exist because all primates reproduce sexually, and without the mitochondrial DNA which is inherited solely from the mother, humans don't exist. No human can exist without at least one X chromosome. There is no such thing as a Y0 (only a Y chromosome is not viable). The X chromosome has far more DNA than the smaller Y chromosome.

    The X chromosome spans about 155 million DNA building blocks (base pairs) and represents approximately 5 percent of the total DNA in cells.

    The Y chromosome spans more than 59 million building blocks of DNA (base pairs) and represents almost 2 percent of the total DNA in cells.

    In a way this makes sense, but there are hundreds of ways in which female are male are different. If this individual doesn't believe that females exist, then where did she or he come from? No mitochondrial DNA, no human survives. No X chromosome, not viable.

    The cultural differences between the way males and females are treated are too numerous to list here. With the exception of some native and indigenous matriarchal cultures, males are usually valued more than girls and women.

    Biological sex is a reality whereas gender identity or transgender is largely socially constructed. Please don't go off on a wild tangent about rare disorders of sexual development (intersex) because we have been through this hundreds of times. The vast majority of transgender identified people have NO actual DSD medical condition.








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  66. "I hated myself when I projected my fears and self-hatred onto transmen who transitioned. I felt falsely superior because I thought I was "being who I am".

    It's just sad to me....

    People can have two different perspectives. It's not about feeling superior. It's a different way of looking at things. When I look at the scars from FTM "top surgery" (elective mastectomies with the surgical trimming down of areolas and nipples), I sure as heck don't feel any sense of superiority. The first time I watched a video of FTM "top surgery", my initial gut reaction was that I was witnessing a form of violence being carried out on the female sex. When I read about the poor Belgium woman who begged to be euthanized after botched sex reassignment surgery, it was one of the saddest things I've ever read. When I read about GnRH agonists given to healthy "transgender" 12 and 13 year old kids, I wonder what is going to happen to them 10 or 20 years from now. Environmentalists and health food companies don't want artificial hormones in animals, but we are drugging perfectly healthy children with GnRH agonists, and in many cases, cross gender hormones at age 16.

    It irritates the heck out of me because some FTMs act as if they have no connection at all with the female sex. How can a human born from the womb of a woman, and born female not be of the female sex? Her grandmother is or was female, and so was her mother.

    How can the erasing of female identity not be a feminist issue? The erasing of female identity in whatever form does matter. We only have 163 million missing girls from India and China. So, when I hear these 15 and 16 year old girls start calling themselves by a boy's name, and insist that they are boys, or trans instead of girls, a little piece of my heart breaks. A human born female comes into this world with female biology, and is thrust into a culture that universally devalues girls.

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  67. Can you forgive a homophobe who beats up gays if they come out later?

    WTF statement is this?

    I don't want homosexual, straight, bisexual, or trans identified people hurt. I would have trouble forgiving a homophobe for beating up gays. I would never forgive the government of Iran for coercing gay men and lesbians into sex reassignment surgery. The government of Iran will pay for sex reassignment surgery, but it executes homosexuals. I have trouble understanding the doctors who euthanized the Belgium woman who felt deeply depressed after the botched sex reassignment surgery. What can we say about people who would mutilate a healthy female body and then euthanize her. If ten or fifteen years from now, the kids who were given GnRH agonists become ill, I will blame transgender activists. You better be right about this.

    The history of medicine, and especially psychiatry, is littered with trends and fads that seemed so right at the time, but became ghoulish experiments. I hope the hell you are right.

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  68. "I'll admit I have a chip on my shoulder regarding trans-bashing "lesbians". I've seen far too many of you transition later."

    When lesbian conversion therapy is a good thing...

    Replace "transitioning" with what it really entails and see how it sounds.

    "I'll admit I have a chip on my shoulder regarding trans-bashing "lesbians". I've seen far too many of you [get their healthy breasts removed, renounce their membership in the female sex, and dump the lesbian label] later." In other words, a socially prescribed way to erase both female and lesbian identity is a good thing.

    Female and lesbian conversion therapy is a good thing. However, some states have outlawed gay conversion therapy.

    If someone said that they were going to turn females into males and lesbians into straight "men", people would think it's odd. Some would say it's down right sexist in the most profound way, but when it's called "transitioning", it's okay.

    Some states have banned gay conversion therapy, or therapy designed to convert homosexuals into straight people. If this is true, then why do they ignore "transitioning"? FTM "transitioning" is one of the most blatant of all gay conversion therapies. It's done in the open, and hidden behind politically correct words such as "gender identity", or "transitioning". We are going to take girls who have a primary sexual interests in females and make them straight 'men'. If we get them when they are really young, they don't even grow up to be lesbian. Scientists and researchers have known for decades that most children with gender-nonconforming behavior eventually grow up to be gay or lesbian. Not in every case, but in many. It's no secret.







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