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Wednesday, October 16, 2013

Portrait of a Transman

I do not consider this "portrait" to be the typical trans female experience/case. I do however consider her treatment by/from the Male Medical Machine to be typical doKtor/female patient experience, historical to present.

The source of information comes to me from someone with verifiable intimate knowledge of the trans female outlined below in this portrait.

For the sake of anonymity I will refer to this trans female simply as A.

In the span of a few short decades prior to transition, A had been diagnosed with a litany of mental disorders (PTSD, Bi-Polar Schizophrenia, Multiple Personality disorder, Chronic Anxiety, Cutter) and prescribed a choir of drugs (Trazdone, Adderall, Seroquil, Xanax, Azor,Symbyax,Valium, Lunesta). A's numerous diagnoses and daily cocktail of drugs did nothing but get her state assistance and cripple her with a slew of ongoing side effects.

It was around this time A stumbled across the outbreak of Trans Trending and decided testosterone would be the next drug to cure her from all her various ills. My source tells me A studied all the female trans forums that give clear instruction on what to say to therapists so that her testosterone prescription would be issued without hitch. After a few visits to a therapist, A received her grand certificate to testosterone access pending seeing an endo doctor and giving blood work. A went outside her own doctor/s fearing her long history with mental illness, her daily cocktail of drugs and especially her high blood pressure would halt her transition and her transition dreams would be quashed.

Blood work was done, processed and A DID receive her tax payer paid for testosterone prescription. Even if doctors didnt test beyond the transitional purposes of A's blood, at the very least A's blood pressure would have been taken, registered as high, according to my source, quite high. Yet none of these poor health roadblocks sent up red flags to the Male Medical Machine or as I suspect the red flags went ignored so long as A's Medicaid pays for the latest addition to A's nearly full medical cabinet.

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  1. "Verifiable intimate knowledge," huh? That's funny. Because there is no such thing as "bi-polar schizophrenia." Also, "multiple personality" disorder is not called that anymore and hasn't been for a while. There's also no "mental disorder" called "chronic anxiety." Nor is there a drug called "Tradzone," nor "Seroquil." Also highly questionable is your claim that Medicaid covers hormone therapy. If you could substantiate that claim, that would be helpful.

    Also, you never answered my question about why you always use the word "breast" in the singular.

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  2. Who knows what the PC terms are for those types of conditions/problems/disorders for those of us not in psychology or medicine who don't get the up-to-date lists. There is a drug called trazodone.

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  3. I believe she meant Trazdone and Seroquel. In case you try to say those drugs don't exists, here are a few links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trazodone and http://www.seroquelxr.com/

    Yes, Anxiety can either be Acute or Chronic, again a link for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety_disorder and if you need help understanding the difference, Chronic never goes away and you continue to have episodes and need continuous medication and therapy. Acute stays for a while, but usually you can handle it with a bit of therapy and little to no drugs.

    Bi-Polar Schizophrenia is now called as Schizophrenic bipolar manic depression ... still means the same thing.

    MPD is now called Dissociative Identity Disorder... again still means the same thing.

    I know for a fact that Medicaid in my state pays for the Hormone therapy and needles if it is an injection.

    Simple misspelling are not something where you can refute the information given. Just that, simple typos. Just because someone calls them by their old names, means nothing except at the time that is probably what the diagnosis was called. Dirt did say this person had a medical history spanning decades.

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  4. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/ny-considers-medicaid-transgender-surgery_n_988561.html

    It seems to be a state by state thing and to be expanding - Oregon will cover puberty blocking drugs soon and NY is looking at covering surgery.

    I think the anecdote is atypical, but it does suggest the need for care in diagnosis and prescription.

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  5. It seems to be a state by state thing and to be expanding - Oregon will cover puberty blocking drugs soon and NY is looking at covering surgery.

    I think the anecdote is atypical, but it does suggest the need for care in diagnosis and prescription.


    This particular example is NOT atypical. It is all too typical.

    As to Oregon and GnRH agonists, there is an online petition to ban the GnRH agonist Lupron. This class of drugs was originally used to treat hormone sensitive advance prostate cancer and endometriosis. They block the hormones that stimulate tumor growth and spur the growth of endometrial tissue. GnRH agonists are also used for precocious puberty. Precocious puberty is NOT the same as transgender.

    Some kids go straight from the GnRH agonists to cross gender hormones at age 16. If cross gender hormones are given after GnRH agonists, future fertility can be compromised. The sterilization of children could be construed as a human rights abuse.

    http://www.cbc-network.org/2009/11/sign-a-petition-and-demand-a-lupron-investigation/

    Lupron Victims Hub

    http://www.lupronvictimshub.com/

    Online petition to investigate Lupron (READ THE SIDE EFFECTS, AND ASK YOURSELF IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CHILDREN SHOULD RECEIVE)

    http://www.petition2congress.com/1902/investigation-lupron-side-effects-leuprolide-acetate



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  6. Wow. If I start thinking about all the people on Medicare/foodstamps/welfare/disability who shouldn't be...I'm a transman who pays taxes. LOTS of taxes. All of my trans friends work and pay taxes. Whereas certain lesbians of privelege....not so much. Its enough to make a person want to join the Tea Party!

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  7. Do you mean that paying taxes justifies the way it's spent?
    Like: It's all good that my meds arep are payed for, because I pay taxes too. That's too simple.
    It's about WHAT we pay for. Is it needed to pay for and is it a medical condition? Important questions.
    Transition is a socal construct and a personal choice, it's not medical en people should pay it themselves in my opnion.

    The way you talk about taxes is morge like saying:
    Hey, I'm a biker and I pay taxes too. Therefore they should pay for my bike!


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  8. I'm a trans man with mental health issues and when I was in my early 20s Medical covered my hormones; funny thing is once I was on hormones my anxiety levels decreases, my mood swings and manic/depressive episodes lessened. Testosterone helped me in many ways not just being seen as the man I am. Now because my bipolar and anxiety are more manageable I am able to work and pay for my own hormones. Funny thing how appropriate health care works...it made me better, who'da thunk...

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  9. A drug that robs women of their full range of emotions, isnt better, we're only taught that it is because the male species cannot attain it. And a drug that immediately shortens your life span, isnt better, again patriarchal conditioning alert.

    How about a drug like feminism that would allow women to live primarily, (socially) mental issue free, drug free and experience ALL life has available in ways mot women cannot even dream? A much BETTER choice!

    dirt

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  10. I'm saying I work, I pay taxes, and pay for my health insurance, which covers my medication. I covered my surgery myself. It cost less than a used car.I think my taxes are used for all kinds of disgusting bullshit. Most
    transmen I know feel immense pressure to be "successful" given their newfound privilege. I'm saying I don't much mind covering people who can't deal for one reason or another but I don't like the thought of covering liars and cheats.Transsexuals take a lot of shit and you are part of that. You are shit.

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  11. Wow. If I start thinking about all the people on Medicare/foodstamps/welfare/disability who shouldn't be...I'm a transman who pays taxes. LOTS of taxes. All of my trans friends work and pay taxes. Whereas certain lesbians of privelege....not so much. Its enough to make a person want to join the Tea Party!

    What does all this have to do with 13 year old children being prescribed GnRH agonists?

    Because I've always been a Green/Democrat, I have no idea what the Tea Party has been up to lately. As for taxes, statistically speaking, there are far more non-transgender people paying taxes than transgender tax payers. Where would transgender identified people be without non-trans people paying taxes for things like education, transportation, infrastructure, health care, etc. that transgender folks take advantage of. Personally, I think all people deserve access to basic necessities like education and health care, but 13 year old kids don't need to be injected with drugs. Moreover, if a person is born female, NO amount of surgery is going to make her fully male. I'm sick and tired of living in this fantasy land. The same goes for males who identify as "women". They are NOT women.

    This individual might want to thank all the non-transgender identified tax payers. We outnumber you.

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  12. I'm saying I work, I pay taxes, and pay for my health insurance, which covers my medication. I covered my surgery myself. It cost less than a used car.I think my taxes are used for all kinds of disgusting bullshit. Most
    transmen I know feel immense pressure to be "successful" given their newfound privilege. I'm saying I don't much mind covering people who can't deal for one reason or another but I don't like the thought of covering liars and cheats.Transsexuals take a lot of shit and you are part of that. You are shit.


    Non-transgender identified people who, by the way, are in the MAJORITY appreciate being told that they are shit for paying taxes.

    By the way, who protects transgender people? Non-transgender law enforcement and non-transgender soldiers.

    A simple thank you would suffice.

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  13. I'm a trans man with mental health issues and when I was in my early 20s Medical covered my hormones; funny thing is once I was on hormones my anxiety levels decreases, my mood swings and manic/depressive episodes lessened. Testosterone helped me in many ways not just being seen as the man I am. Now because my bipolar and anxiety are more manageable I am able to work and pay for my own hormones. Funny thing how appropriate health care works...it made me better, who'da thunk...

    Who'da thunk, indeed....

    I'm not a psychiatrist, but don't most people with bipolar disorder require medication? I am curious to know whether or not this individual takes medication for bipolar disorder (manic depression). So, am I correct to assume that this individual takes testosterone in addition to medication for bipolar disorder?

    I'm not aware of ANYTHING in any medical journal that says testosterone is beneficial to people with bipolar disorder. I'm pleased that this individual's mental health issues are under control. However, it's probably the psych meds and mood stabilizers.

    Some people report mood swings on testosterone.

    "Two of the most common changes are a lower anger threshold and an increase in libido".

    http://www.ftmaustralia.org/transition/medical-affirmation/hormonal-treatment-testosterono/effects-of-testosterone-therapy

    Isn't it true that bipolar disorder is a mood disorder? These are individuals who have difficulty regulating their moods/emotions (sadness, depression, feelings of euphoria, etc.). They might go months or years without a major episode, but a drastic change in mood is possible. So, let's give bipolar people something that could possibly increase their moodiness, especially feelings of rage and anger.

    Please keep in mind that the levels of synthetic hormones SHOULD be monitored.

    I don't think testosterone and a diagnosis of bipolar disorder makes much sense.

    Again, I'm very happy that this individual is reportedly doing well. At least, for now.

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  14. I'm saying I work, I pay taxes, and pay for my health insurance, which covers my medication. I covered my surgery myself. It cost less than a used car.

    Non-transgender identified people make up the vast majority of people who either get insurance through their employer, or pay taxes for some sort of European universal health care system. We are carrying this person, and they have the audacity to bitch about paying taxes. Taxpayers in Belgium even paid for the euthanasia of a female who was so depressed after sex reassignment surgery that she opted for euthanasia. After paying for the elective mastectomy on this poor soul and the skin flap from the arm that was sewn onto her pubic area, they went ahead and euthanized this deeply depressed and troubled individual. Who picked up the tab for all the failed surgeries on this depressed and poor pathetic soul? It was non-transgender tax payers.

    As to surgery costing less than a used car, this might be true for "top surgery" (elective mastectomies with the surgical whittling down of areolas and nipples) HOWEVER "BOTTOM SURGERY" (MULTIPLE SKIN GRAFTS, ETC.) CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE AND IN NO WAY DOES IT CREATE ANYTHING LIKE A FULLY FUNCTIONING PENIS. Skin flaps from the arm are not erectile tissue. It's basically skin flaps sewn onto the female genital area. Metioplasty is cheaper than a phalloplasty, but everyone knows that it's really not suitable for penetration.

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  15. I am that transguy who commented earlier, and I've actually been off all medication except tertosterone for nearly 10 years, and while I occasionally have my struggles I am much better off than before and I experience of full range of emotions just fine, hell, even more so than my own girlfriend who has trouble expressing her emotions. I'm not an anger person, I talk through issues, I cry when something is said or just so beautiful as one can do is cry. I'm living a much healthier and fuller life being on testosterone and being seen for the man I truly am and my partner and I have a great life together. We are out as a queer couple and take joy and pride in not fitting into rigid stereotypical boxes. We get mani pedi together, facials, I love to cook and am great at being a domestic housewife as we like to joke while she prefers to not do such things. Our life works for us, and most other trans folk I know their liveswork for them. What I want to know is why Dirt spends so much of her time hating and bad mouthing an entire group of people who really couldn't care less about her. Why don't you go live your life and be happy rather than spend so much time tearing others down. Has no one realized how disfunctional and sad this whole blog is?

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  16. Kevin,

    I'm very happy for you, but I don't think "transitioning" is always the answer for people who already have mental health issues to deal with. There was a recent case where a deeply depressed woman was so distraught after sex reassignment surgery that she actually asked to be euthanized. She was euthanized because of severe psychological suffering. Google Nathan/Nancy Verhelst.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/10346616/Belgian-killed-by-euthanasia-after-a-botched-sex-change-operation.html

    As doctors seem more eager and willing to write more prescriptions for "T", logic tells us that sooner or later these physicians will eventually encounter individuals with mental health issues. It's my understanding that under an "informed consent model" some physicians don't require a letter from a therapist saying someone has "gender dysphoria".

    “Was in Dunedin when I was a student there, So I got to see her for free, and only for 20 minuets before I got my letter for T..”

    http://ataulfomangos.tumblr.com/post/33935814815/lesley213-just-reading-the-posts-and-came

    Should people with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia be on testosterone? What about severely depressed people? Should they get sex reassignment surgery? NO ONE IS SAYING THAT TRANS IDENTIFIED PEOPLE ARE MORE PRONE TO MENTAL ILLNESS. My point is this. As the number of "T" (testosterone) prescriptions increase because doctors are more willing to give "T" to pretty much any female who asks for it, common sense tells us that some of these people are bound to have mental health issues.


    If I google FTM and bipolar there are blogs from FTMs who say they have bipolar disorder. For example, FTM bipolar kid.

    http://ftmbipolarkid.tumblr.com/post/36769555548/im-ftm-and-bipolar

    Some say that testosterone makes their mood swings worse, and some say there is no effect.

    "While I realize I’m at the age where underlying bipolar tends to come out (I’m 22, almost 23) and that stress is a major trigger for it, I’m curious to see if perhaps being on T makes bipolar manifest quicker or any differently. (I’m also still in the process of getting diagnosed, probably BP II.) From what I have read, women tend to have more depressive and mixed episodes while men tend to get more manic. Pre-T, I was very prone to depression with some dysphoric (hypo?)mania and now that I’m approach 11 months on testosterone, I’ve been VERY rapidly cycling between hypomania and depression."

    http://mattstransition.tumblr.com/post/29088993719/fuck-yeah-ftms-testosterone-and-bipolar-disorder

    "another ftm bipolar boy here. It's so frustrating. Because we don't have to deal with the dysphoria and gender exclusion everywhere else! huff. My biggest problem is that my older brother is bipolar as well. So he's the only example I had for the longest time. And he terrifies me when he's manic. So I'm terrified of my own emotions now. It's a struggle."

    http://mentalillnessmouse.tumblr.com/post/43532346436/another-ftm-bipolar-boy-here-its-so-frustrating

    Kevin, I'm glad you are doing fine, but this doesn't mean everyone with a history of mental health issues should be "transitioning" or on "T"

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  17. How about a drug like feminism that would allow women to live primarily, (socially) mental issue free, drug free and experience ALL life has available in ways mot women cannot even dream? A much BETTER choice!

    Yes, it's a better choice, but there is no money in it for the doctors, endocrinologists who give out GnRH agnonists (puberty suppression), and plastic surgeons ("top surgery", "bottom surgery", etc.)

    Making a buck off the bodies of females is nothing new. Indeed, it's very lucrative.

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  18. Oooh la la! Lesbians of privilege! That's a good band name. Get ready for our 1st single : transgender taxpayer

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  19. @superslayer

    This post makes no sense at all. Also, I'm not sure what the "Oooh la la", band name, and 1st single means.

    I'm wondering if superslayer took his or her psych meds today.

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  20. This is America dude, learn English. Obvs I was referring to an earlier post. And I did take my psych meds today, thanks for the concern!

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  21. Taxes are a big fat red herring. I am happy to pay for cleft palate treatment, even though people with cleft palates are in the minority.

    The real question raised here is whether some people are getting the treatment when they shouldn't.

    Kevin, it sounds to me like you didn't really have bipolar disorder, you were misdiagnosed and once you could transition, you were okay.

    However, I agree with the other anonymous above who says that as we make it easier and easier to get hormones, we will get some people transitioning who have other mental health issues and shouldn't be transitioning. In the long run, this will give people who truly need to transition a bad name.

    Kevin, I agree that dirt is often unbearably insulting. I think she's wrong to completely dismiss all transitioners. Unfortunately, she is also one of the few voices out here that willing to question what is going on.

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  22. Kevin, I agree that dirt is often unbearably insulting. I think she's wrong to completely dismiss all transitioners. Unfortunately, she is also one of the few voices out here that willing to question what is going on.

    I ditto that.
    I also believe that there are people who suffer from gender dysphora. But just a few, it's very rare.
    Nowadays, lots of lesbians claim gender dysphora and jump on the popular bandwagon. Being a lesbian is so oldschool, being FTM is cool.
    No way I believe all these transtrenders suffer from gender dysphora, it's just a story they tell after listening to ohters.

    Dirt tries to warn women about what's going on.
    Testosteron will cause cancer and heart/blood pressure problems. It will cause an early death.
    The surgery is mutulating.
    The whole thing is irreversable and that's very scare.
    There are already stories about transtrenders who have regrets and are on their way back to womanhood.
    Dirt loves women enough to take her time to warn them.


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  23. "...we will get some people transitioning who have other mental health issues and shouldn't be transitioning. In the long run, this will give people who truly need to transition a bad name."

    the thing is that every person who 'transitions' thinks that they 'truly need to.'

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  24. Yes, this trend is hitting the Lesbian community the hardest. Who’s surprised when you look at the message society gives Lesbians – not only worthless, but everyone knows 2 women can’t even have sex together – so who can blame them for not wanting to be that? So the labile Lesbians (who have other problems as well) fall for it. The craziness of it goes so far that 2 ftm often pair up and call themselves gay men – I have 4 such individuals in my circle of friends. I’ve noticed stabile confident Lesbians don’t transition.
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  25. Oh Germany, how lucky those ftm's are to have you in their circle of friends. I had "friends" like you when I transitioned. Now all of them have fucked off, thank God, or have realized their objections were entirely innapropriate and entirely about them. Do your friends know exactly what you post on this blog? Or are you just another lying, backstabbing, cowardly piece of shit? Oh wait. I'M QUITE SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ALREADY.

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  26. Taxes are a big fat red herring. I am happy to pay for cleft palate treatment, even though people with cleft palates are in the minority.

    I'm happy to pay for cleft palate too as most people are. How is cleft palate related to sex reassignment surgery, GnRH agonsits for healthy 13 year old children, and synthetic hormones for otherwise healthy individuals?

    Is this individual comparing cleft palates with sex reassignment surgery or GnRH agonists? I wonder if this person even knows what "top surgery" and "bottom surgery" on a biological female entails. These radically later healthy female anatomy. "Top surgery" essentially amounts to elective mastectomies on healthy female breasts with the surgical trimming down of areolas and nipples. Depending on the size of the breasts and the procedure, areolas and nipples are literally cut off, resized, and then sewn back on. Loss of sensation is common, and every now and then a nipple graft doesn't take resulting in the loss of a nipple or two. Phalloplasty on a biological female is ghastly by anyone's standards. Skin flaps (skin, fat, arteries) are usually taken from the arm or some other donor site and sewn onto the female pubic area. It's possible that the skin grafts won't take, and the lenthening the female urethra has its own set of challenges. I've repeatedly said that if we are wrong about FTM "transitioning" it does resemble female genital mutilation. Comparing an obvious physical defect such as cleft palate to radical surgery on HEALTHY female anatomy doesn't make much sense to me. How can perfectly healthy female reproductive systems and genitals be defective? If anything, as we have seen with the recent article on the Belgium woman who was so depressed after sex reassignment surgery that she begged to be euthanized, "transitioning" doesn't always guarantee that the person will be (1.) pleased with how they look after the surgery (2.) not experience loss of sensation (3.) experience complications from the surgery, etc. Please keep in mind that this is done on healthy female anatomy.

    The mutilation of female bodies in all its myriad of forms has a thousand plus year history. There is no way to objectively ferret out the "gender dyshporia" from cultural influences (everything people read on thousands of trans websites, blogs, etc. about "T", breast binding, "top surgery", etc.) As to FTMs (females who "transition"), there is no way to clearly distinguish between internalized misogyny and "gender dysphoria". Girls are universally devalued.

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  27. October 18, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    Totally inappropriate, but I'm not surprise. The subject at hand was emotionally/psychologically vulnerable people who "transition".

    All we need to do is look at some of the reactions from transgender identified people when they are seriously questioned about things like "transitioning" ("top surgery", "bottom surgery", the all important "T", breast binding, GnRH agonists for 12 and 13 year old children).

    I've never seen the woman from Germany openly insult anyone on this blog. If anything, she is far too polite. Their problem is that they simply cannot be questioned about anything.

    Do your friends know exactly what you post on this blog? Or are you just another lying, backstabbing, cowardly piece of shit? Oh wait. I'M QUITE SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ALREADY.

    @Germany

    You have been far too kind to these people. Also, what you type of this blog or any other blog is none of their business.



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  28. The real question raised here is whether some people are getting the treatment when they shouldn't.

    I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but is this some kind of joke? How much more proof do we need. We already have a post "transitioning" mutilated and euthanized female body. Euthanized because "transitioning" could not cure the deep anguish this woman felt. She was disappointed in how her chest looked, and she said that the skin flap taken from her arm and sewn onto her pubic area shown signs of necrosis. There are 14 and 15 year old girls already talking about "T". They don't call it testosterone. It simply goes by "T". They say they are "pre-everything" which I assume means surgery, etc.

    The real question raised here is whether some people are getting the treatment when they shouldn't.

    People are getting the "treatment" for sure.

    Since when is the mutilation of healthy female anatomy "treatment"? I strongly suggest watching an actual video of "top surgery" and "bottom surgery" on a female. Have the courage to see exactly what FTM "transitioning" entails. The sterilization of children could be regarded as a human rights abuse. They know full well that future fertility can be compromised when GnRH agonists are followed by cross gender hormones. Lupron has side effects that can be horrific, and this was given to children with "gender dyshporia". I argue that intentionally delaying a normal part of human development, adolescence, because of what amounts to a psychiatric diagnosis in children could be viewed as a human rights abuse.

    Again, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I don't know where this person has been hiding.

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  29. Taxes are a big fat red herring. I am happy to pay for cleft palate treatment, even though people with cleft palates are in the minority.

    I see no logical reason to compare cleft palate to GnRH agonists. Please read some of the complaints about Lupron before making this comparison.

    Oregon will cover puberty blocking drugs soon

    I want to return to GnRH agonists. I'm not familiar with
    Oregon health care policies. However, it's my understanding, that GnRH agonists for "gender dysphoric" children will be paid for by the same Oregon state health care plan that covers low income children/disabled children, etc. Some disabled children and seniors can't get the medicine and proper treatment that they need, but Oregon is willing to give Lupron to healthy children even though people have been reporting side effects from this particular GnRH agonist for years. I don't even know if the use of GnRH agonists for "gender dyshporic" children is even approved by the FDA for this particular purpose. Kudos to well organized trans activists for pushing this through. This decision will haunt Oregon.

    Disabled children and seniors can't get health care, but these very expensive drugs are given to healthy children. I don't know what other countries pay for this, but in the U.S., big Pharma sticks it to people. Are taxpayers picking up the tab for these "treatments"?

    This online article is from trans activists and an endocrinologist.

    "These agents (medicines) are both medically necessary and expensive."

    http://transactiveonline.org/community_education/TransActive%20OHSC%20Testimony.pdf

    (***Yes, to being expensive, but NO to being medically necessary for a questionable psychiatric diagnosis in children.)

    Typically, Depot-Lupron costs range from around $700 (online) to $800 (Portland area) to $1,500 dollars a month elsewhere for the monthly preparation. The 3 month preparation is equivalent in price.

    (***lowest price is around $700 per month...sh** load of $$$ for pharmaceutical companies and the endocrinologists who give the drugs and monitor the kids)

    The histrelin implant is approximately $15,000 total for the device and the cost of surgically implanting it.

    Also, labs need to be monitored while on these agents. A pre-treatment LH, FSH and testosterone or estradiol level is checked, as well as a post treatment level to assess the level of suppression."

    http://transactiveonline.org/community_education/TransActive%20OHSC%20Testimony.pdf

    Please note that the histrelin implant is used for precocious puberty which IS NOT THE SAME THING AS TRANSGENDER.

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  30. We have universal health care and I don't mind paying for whatever is deemed nesessary. I do personally see a difference between fixing somebody's cleft pallet versus somebody who has perfectly good hormones but wants to replace them with another kind and permenently f--k up their ability to produce them.
    I would not discuss that with my trans friends, by the way I also have 2 MtF friends who are in a "Lesbian" relationship. All of my trans friends play hard-core gender stereotypes. So if I was at the table with these 2 "Lesbians" and there was a difficult jar to open they would hand it to me, even though in the long run either of them could open it easier. It's because I'm not a barbie doll and they think they are.
    Germany

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  31. LOL @ Germany.
    That sums it up. Being transgendered and then try to perfecty fit in the stereo typical sex role. How liberal.
    I saw FTM's telling other FTM's that they should get a haircut because it wasn't manly enough.
    I try to get rid of typical sex roles but these folks are giving me a hard time.

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  32. I try to get rid of typical sex roles but these folks are giving me a hard time. ~Big

    AND that is what it all boils down to in my opinion. While I will also concede, that as another poster said, this MIGHT a RARE phenomenon that some people do suffer from a real condition, the fact of the matter is society placed gender rolls. I also can not wrap my head around the literally thousands of women who think they were born to be males in the wrong body.

    Does anyone realize (or know) the statistical numbers in relation to the world's population? In my not so scientific estimate, and only based on what I have seen on the web, that would mean that a large percentage is suffering from this disorder, which would put it at epidemic standards.

    I personally think it has more to do with the fact that society thinks that in order to be strong, and dominant you have to be a male. Weak and cute, female. Until we wipe out that stereotyping, more and more women will fall into this trans-trending trap.

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  33. Well, that other poster was me too. ;)

    I don't know statistics. But I do know that the numbers are growing fast. Most lesbians know several FTM's these days. Figure that out.
    I know a FTM who admits that many FTM's are transtrenders. But not her, no no no.


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  34. At big ..and do you tell this ftm that you dont approve of him and that you come on a blog and spew hatered about trans people????

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  35. I don't spew hatred, I have an opinion, that's different.
    And yes, I always tell how I think. I'm that honest.

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  36. At big ..and do you tell this ftm that you dont approve of him and that you come on a blog and spew hatered about trans people????

    What exactly is hatered, and who is spewing it? Does this person mean hatred?

    The violence and hatred against the female sex is carefully hidden behind words like "transitioning", "top surgery", and "bottom surgery". Few people really understand how ghastly these procedures are. They don't see the blood, and the nipples and areolas cut off and surgically whittled down. They don't see the skin flaps taken from donor sites on the female anatomy. Scars left behind are all visible, but no one sees the actual violence being carried out against the female sex. No one sees female urethras that were never designed to be lengthened and fashioned into a facsimile of a "penis". Nathan/Nancy Verhelst begged to be euthanized after sex reassignment surgery left her feeling more depressed. You really have to hate the female sex to carve up a healthy female body and then euthanize her. I don't give a rat's patooty if I'm not politically correct by not addressing this poor soul as "he". This human being was born female, she had her female breasts and genitals mutilated. None of this helped the poor soul, and she asked to be euthanized. The medical system that mutilated her also killed her.

    Please don't preach to me about "spewing hatred". Drugging and sterilizing children could be viewed as a human rights abuse.

    History shows that some of the most hideous forms of violence are carried out with state permission by men in white coats. Indeed, it's a very long history.

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  37. At big ..and do you tell this ftm that you dont approve of him and that you come on a blog and spew hatered about trans people????

    @Big

    I don't spew hatred, I have an opinion, that's different.
    And yes, I always tell how I think. I'm that honest.

    Big


    It's hatered that you are spewing. If you figure out what "hatered" is, please tell me.



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  38. I brought up cleft palate to suggest that the issue is really not about Medicaid. It's about what the treatment is. I'm glad we are discussing that.

    I would separate treatment for minors from treatment for adults. First because they can't give informed consent to losing fertility and sexual function. Second, because there is almost no research showing this is the right thing to do.

    Delaying puberty for transgender kids began in 2000 abroad and in 2009 in the U.S. So there's not a hell of a lot of data. There is one study of a few kids in Holland who had puberty delayed and cross-gender hormones. It is important to note that those kids were very carefully screened. Some kids were not allowed to transition. They did not have surgery.

    We do have some research on adults. It is not very good research, but it is clear that many adults are happy after transitioning.

    The lack of research is a sign of our society not giving a crap about transsexuals. It is closely linked to homophobia and sexism.

    By the way, I think the parents who agree to treat their kids are often desperate. They are afraid their kids will commit suicide unless they can transition. Anyhow, that's how it seems to me.

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  39. @Big -

    From transgender law.org:

    "An estimated 2 to 5% of the population is transgender (i.e., experience some degree of gender
    dysphoria). The number of people who identify as transsexual and undergo sex-resassignment is
    smaller. Recent statistics from the Netherlands indicate that about 1 in 12,000 natal males undergo
    sex-reassignment and about 1 in 34,000 natal females. Over time, the gap between the reported
    numbers of MTF and FTM transsexuals is closing." (numbers of transsexuals are from a 1996 study)

    So, most of us should know some people who are uncomfortable with their gender. The number would probably be higher among lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people.

    Most people would probably not know a person who transitioned physically. However, if you are hanging out in LGBT groups, you would naturally meet some people who transitioned.

    To put it another way, in a high school of 1000 people, there would be 20-50 kids who had some discomfort with their gender.

    There would probably not be anyone who actually transitioned physically.

    That's not just while they were in school, based on those stats, you would not expect anyone in your high school while you were there to transition.

    Even if you went to a large high school with 3000 kids in it, you would not expect to know someone who transitioned.

    Over time, the school might have an alum or two who did, but most classes wouldn't.

    So there's the big question. In any given American high school right now, how many kids are physically transitioning?

    How many are on track to make physical changes when they turn 18/go to college?

    Are there schools or communities where the numbers of transitioners/pre-transitioners are higher than elsewhere?

    http://www.transgenderlaw.org/resources/transfactsheet.pdf

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  40. I live in Holland/The Netherlands. We have transgender clinics for kids since a couple of years.
    They screen indeed very carefully. Also for adults it's not easy to get a green light.
    I do think that gender dysphora excists and that help is needed for them. I'm not against transtitioning. But I do fear for the fact that transitioning became a trend and a choice for those who don't need it.

    The statistics from the Netherlands might differ from the ones in the US. Especially the last couple of years the amount of transitioners became a lot higher then before. The internet plays a role in it.
    Kids see FTM's on YouTube and they find out soon enough what's needed to get a "T-letter". It's even possible to get in online. It looks cool to them and I don't think that they oversee what they're getting themselves into.

    Big

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  41. @ big .. I think ftm making youtube videos trying to get others to follow them should be banned ..i know one transguy and he transititioned way before the internet was around hes a true transsexual man ..

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  42. Anon @8:47: What about some statistics more up-to-date than from 1996? This trend took off more like around 2000, was in full swing by 2005 which is about when FtM's began infecting eachother over the internet via YouTube videos. It was also around 2000 when all these "Drag King" groups started forming in major cities around the Western World. In Berlin, many members got too caught up in it and sadly ended up "transitioning" a few short years later.
    Germany

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  43. @Germany - I don't know about more up-to-date stats. The old stats are just something that looked pretty reliable. I got them with a quick search.

    However, if transitioning increased dramatically after 1996, that is something our society needs to talk about.

    Why would transitioning increase? The three main possibilities would be:

    All along, there were many people who wanted to transition, but just didn't realize they could or didn't know they were trans.

    Something changed in the environment causing there to be more people with gender dysphoria - pesticides, porn, or some unknown factor.

    Something changed in our culture, causing people to transition physically who don't need to or would be better of not changing their bodies.

    I have my opinions on this, but I think it's an issue that therapists and scientists need to research. What are the numbers now? Why are they going up? Should we bring them down and if so, how?

    Getting research done will be hard. On the one hand, trans advocates are naturally afraid of losing access to health care for those who need it. On the other hand, most of society is homophobic and won't care if this is mostly happening to LGB kids; it might even be easier for them to deal with the idea that some people need to change sex.

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  44. What the fuck is a "doKtor"? Go back to school you dumb fucking retard, it's spelled doctor.

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