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Monday, September 2, 2013

Transition and the Myth of Stealth

This trans female video made a few years ago, was recently emailed to me.

The video deals with a job disappointment that this trans female clearly feels she was entitled to and rob of and as a result feels life isnt fair and the world is out to get her.

The story in a nutshell is this, she is a mother (1 or more children) who after going to school later in life for a college education, better job opps, transitioned as part of her new you and between the two, believed the world was going to be her oyster! So with a few college degrees, legal male status change, passing male privilege change, she applied for (from what I gather a white collar) job and was to be hired AFTER her background check. The job has something to do with security, she flat out lied about being female and having changed her name. The company found this out and retracted its offer to hire her.

She says repeatedly in this video how "honest" she is, yet says nothing of lying to this company. She claims this company didnt hire her because she is "trans". But clearly, what security company on the planet is going to hire someone caught in a web of lies, trans or not??? NONE. Not a single one. She who has worked so hard to "better" herself via education AND transition believes she has been robbed because her trans status has been found out.

I get a sense from this and other videos of hers, she really thought she beat the patriarchal male privileged system when she transitioned! Now her true FEMALE self/sex keeps coming back to haunt/taunt her. Whether she has to be reminded of her biology when she is in the shower, getting dressed, going to the bathroom, or getting a background check, all reveal the hated thing she keeps trying to bury!!!

I have no idea who told her life was fair or if she believed a new better fairness would now apply to her as a woman pretending to be a man. But it is incredibly selfish and misogynistic to complain about losing out on a job because her true female sex was found out! Most women do not have the luxury of hiding their sex from prospective employers and because of that and that alone they arent even called in for interviews, let alone getting hired for a job. Women arent promoted within companies for the same fucking reason, because of female biology and the negative female hating history behind it! And for minority women it is much much worse.

Why isnt her complaint, her gripe and her anger directed at why she felt she had to transition in the first place? To escape not how she felt as a woman, but how society TREATED and is still TREATING her AS a woman (albeit a woman who lied)!

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  1. Dirt, please do us a favor and kill yourself.

    ~ The World

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  2. Dear "the world,"

    Is that really all you've got? Asking someone to kill herself for stating her very rational, fact-supported opinions, that happen to go against your own tortuous, nonsensical beliefs?

    Guess what? More and more people are waking up to the fact that calling yourself a man or woman doesn't make you one. Neither does sewing on a chunk of flesh, lopping off flesh, taking hormones or performing stereotypical behaviors.

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  3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_6vDLq64gE

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  4. After Bradley (Chelsea) Manning illegally leaked 700,000 classified documents which included a quarter of a million State Department logs,
    (260,000 to be exact), what law firm or security agency would hire a transgender person to guard their secret files? Who wants private client information compromised?

    Yes, the leaked video of the Apache helicopter shooting wounded civilians and a Reuters camera man could be construed as a war crime. It looked brutal and wrong to me. Having said this, judging by the sheer volume of what Bradley illegally leaked, there is no way that he, I mean, "she" could possibly have known what was in each and every file. 99% of the illegal leaks had nothing to do with possible war crimes. It was just the random dumping of files on a massive scale. I'm not buying into the idea that he did it to let people know what was going on in Iraq. Everyone knew what was going on in Iraq. Bradley joined the Army in 2007 and wasn't sent to Iraq until 2008. There hasn't been a draft since Vietnam and he volunteered to serve his country. By 2007, basically the entire world knew that Iraq was based on a pack of lies about WMDs, and that everything coming from Bush's mouth was a bald face lie. The horrific Abu Ghraib abuse of prisoners surfaced in late 2003 and 2004. People knew about Falluja and secret CIA detention centers. They knew yellow cake uranium from Niger was a lie based on forged documents, and they knew about all the B.S. lies surrounding WMDs. Joe Wilson knew and so did Scott Ritter, former Marine Major and U.N. Weapons inspector. Where was Manning during these four years when the entire world knew what was going on in Iraq? I was on the streets protesting in February 2003 even before the start of the war. I stood in the pouring rain with my anti-war sign. Where was Bradley then? People knew Iraq was bullshit in 2003. So, Bradley comes along in 2007/2008 and says, "you mean to tell me that there are war crimes going on in Iraq...who would have guessed...golly gee". Freaking everyone knew. There is a lot of information that states that Manning was having a hard time adjusting to the military, and a female superior had to hold him down.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8964543/Bradley-Manning-attacked-female-soldier-and-sent-picture-of-himself-as-a-woman.html

    There is no way he knew what was in each and every one of the 700,000 files. He just wanted to get back at the Army.

    As to the person in the video, she looks either a tad intoxicated or disturbed. Watch it and judge for yourself.



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  5. ^ Leave Chelsea alone, asshole!



    .. whoa! Early 90's flashback.

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  6. This individual could have been an excellent female employee. Actually, she is still female. Who can trust anyone who isn't upfront and honest from the very beginning. Yes, my name is so and so, and I've never had another name. Well, I once was called [insert whatever woman's name], but that was then and this is now. No wonder the background check came back the way it did. They call it a background check for a reason, and law firms and security agencies certainly are thorough.



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  7. Ya gotta tell them your old name. I passed a background check under pretty intense scrutiny. I'm happy to say I got the job. I make really good money and have an excelkent career. There are women who hold the same position, as well as women who are my superiors. God, I love my life. I think its sad and a little funny that Dirt and you other poor souls have the time and interest to devote to trolling around on the internet lookin for information about transmen. If you are trying to show us what kind of life we miss out on when we transition, you're doing a helluva job. Keep going! We enjoy witnessing you wasting your precious time on this earth obsessing about us!

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  8. Honesty is always the best policy if it’s something very basic like your sex or really anything else where there’s a legal paper trail. I also have a pretty satisfying career, but I know men doing the exact same work I do get paid more. That’s pretty much true for all women in the workplace, wherever you are in the world and no matter what your job is.
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  9. she seems miserable in every video, thought pretending to be male is supposed to fix everything!

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  10. @Dirt
    I really don't understand what you're getting at with these posts. Some people are trans, some people aren't. If someone identified as lesbian then came out as trans it doesn't mean that they are betraying women or the lesbian community. In fact, not all transmen are straight. Many are gay or bi.
    I also don't understand why you don't use male pronouns for these guys.
    You, Dirt, and everyone else on here seems to think that females are either straight or lesbian, and that they must identify as female.

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  11. to 'James'
    I don't claim to speak for any other people who post here but my beliefs are
    females are female and remain so no matter the cosmetic or chemical outside intervention
    (same for males)
    what people 'identify as' means fuck all.
    (besides, I 'identify as' someone who thinks the whole thing is bollocks.)
    forcing people to pretend to believe something that they assuredly do not (that people are actually the opposite sex that they idealise for some reason) is somewhat cruel and definitely delusional.

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  12. You, Dirt, and everyone else on here seems to think that females are either straight or lesbian, and that they must identify as female.

    Females can be heterosexual, bisexual, or lesbian, but the one thing they can never be is male. Identifying as male doesn't mean they are male. I could tack a tail on my rear and call myself a donkey. It doesn't mean I am one.

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  13. I also don't understand why you don't use male pronouns for these guys.

    If this person wants male pronouns, I'll give an example of the proper use of pronouns.

    She is not a "he". There, does that satisfy everyone?


    Haven't people been brow beat and berated enough with all this political correct hooey about "proper pronoun use" and how it is so oppressive. Even when FTMs get pregnant and have babies just like other women, we are evil and loathsome for referring to these females as "she" or "her". Isn't it true that the person in the video is a mother? Dads don't get pregnant. Guess what! We really don't have to put up with this PC B.S. I refuse to use "proper pronouns". I refuse to drink the Kool Aid.

    By playing along with a delusion that no one really believes anyway, we are just reinforcing and perpetuating the fantasy.

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  14. She is a woman and a mother, so it’s really not a question of political correctness to refer to a biological female as „she“. Political correctness in general is very important in society, and I always say it’s really not more difficult to say one word instead of another. But this is more like asking us to refer to white as black (not even “whitish black”), based on someone’s emotional whim. Why should we call an obviously fertile female a man?
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  15. To those saying that he cannot be a man because he gave birth: more and more men are actually having children and giving birth. Sound weird, right? But it is possible.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy#Humans

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  16. 'James,' did you even read what you linked to?

    Robert Winston, a pioneer of in-vitro fertilization, told London's Sunday Times that "male pregnancy would certainly be possible" by having an embryo implanted in a man's abdomen – with the placenta attached to an internal organ such as the bowel – and later delivered by Caesarean section. Ectopic implantation of the embryo along the abdominal wall, and resulting placenta growth would, however, be very dangerous and potentially fatal for the host, and is therefore unlikely to be studied in humans. Gillian Lockwood, medical director of Midland Fertility Services, a British fertility clinic, noted that the abdomen is not designed to separate from the placenta during delivery, hence the danger of an ectopic pregnancy. "The question is not 'Can a man do it?'" stated bioethicist Glenn McGee. "It’s ’If a man does have a successful pregnancy, can he survive it?’"

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  17. Okay, maybe not ACTUALLY giving birth, but it's possible. I don't think you guys are at all fair. You're all immature and not accepting of how people are.
    People don't choose whether they are trans, and it's not a made up thing. So much proves that it's real. It's the same as someone saying that there isn't such thing as depression, or there isn't such thing as being gay.

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  18. People DO choose to be trans, I've seen that so many time on YouTube.
    They stumble on video's in YouTube and the trans idea is put in their head.
    Before the internet I never heard of FTM's, it was something really really rare. And I never talked to women who were men trapped in their bodies in all these years.
    Being trans IS a choice.


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  19. Being trans is not a choice. So many trans people new that they were trans even when they didn't know what trans meant. Most trans people don't even watch YouTube videos about transpeople, so don't say that YouTube is the 'cause' of being trans.

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  20. @Big

    Funny, last time I checked people used to and some still do say that being gay is just a choice.

    Pot calling the kettle black.

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  21. Being trans is not a choice. So many trans people new that they were trans even when they didn't know what trans meant. Most trans people don't even watch YouTube videos about transpeople, so don't say that YouTube is the 'cause' of being trans.

    For whatever reason, some people have always stepped outside the boundaries of tradtional sex roles. This is nothing new. They weren't always called transgender, and they certainly all didn't get mutilative surgeries on their bodies, take "T" (testosterone), or be given GnRH agnosist (puberty suppression) when they were 12 or 13.



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  22. There is no scientific 'proof' of transsexualism, only peoples' word, and a 'theory.' Yes, there have been these 'brain studies' which, looking beyond their flaws, could possibly show that certain people do not think in the way that their gender is stereotypically expected to think. There is quite a leap from there to saying that these people's brains are somehow in the wrong bodies, or that anything is 'wrong' with them whatsoever. It's called variation and it's natural, not a mistake.

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  23. "Robert Winston, a pioneer of in-vitro fertilization, told London's Sunday Times that "male pregnancy would certainly be possible" by having an embryo implanted in a man's abdomen – with the placenta attached to an internal organ such as the bowel – and later delivered by Caesarean section. Ectopic implantation of the embryo along the abdominal wall, and resulting placenta growth would, however, be very dangerous and potentially fatal for the host, and is therefore unlikely to be studied in humans. Gillian Lockwood, medical director of Midland Fertility Services, a British fertility clinic, noted that the abdomen is not designed to separate from the placenta during delivery, hence the danger of an ectopic pregnancy. "The question is not 'Can a man do it?'" stated bioethicist Glenn McGee. "It’s ’If a man does have a successful pregnancy, can he survive it?’"

    @James
    I don't know if this has been tried in primates, much less humans. Please note that this paragraph says "embryo implanted" in that the poor sap that would undergo this risky procedure would be contributing NO genetic inheritance to the child. In essence, this person would be something akin to an incuabotor. It's dangerous to both the embryo and the host.

    "with the placenta attached to an internal organ such as the bowel – and later delivered by Caesarean section. Ectopic implantation of the embryo along the abdominal wall, and resulting placenta growth would, however, be very dangerous and potentially fatal for the host, and is therefore unlikely to be studied in humans."

    Why would any male choose to do this? It doesn't make sense.

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  24. @September 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Well said.....thank you...

    There is no scientific 'proof' of transsexualism, only peoples' word, and a 'theory.' Yes, there have been these 'brain studies' which, looking beyond their flaws, could possibly show that certain people do not think in the way that their gender is stereotypically expected to think. There is quite a leap from there to saying that these people's brains are somehow in the wrong bodies, or that anything is 'wrong' with them whatsoever. It's called variation and it's natural, not a mistake.

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  25. Exactly, it's just a bunch of variations. If society wasn't so strict/justmental on male en female behaviour/roles, it wouldn't be a problem at all. People would be more comfortable and the need to transtition wouldn't exist.
    That's why we should change society and not our bodies.


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  26. It has nothing whatsoever to do with gender roles or anything like that.
    Some transmen are effeminate, some transwomen are masculine.
    Also, what do you guys say about dysphoria such as genital dysphoria? That has nothing to do with gender roles either.

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  27. Hey James,
    I experience dysphoria. I am a butch female. Discomfort with your primary or secondary sexual organs or characteristics do not make you trans. Many, many butch females (and females who are not butch at all) experience these things. I've posted here before and spoken of my experiences of having something that I can only describe as a phantom penis, and it's been there all my life. This doesn't make me trans, doesn't make me a man. It definitely makes me a female that desires to penetrate rather than be penetrated, but still female. My chromosomes are still XX. My genitals are still female. My reproductive system is still female. No cosmetic changes (surgery, HRT) will change any of these things. No, not even bottom surgery really CHANGES what your genitals are, it merely changes what they look like (hint: an enlarged and released clitoris is still a clitoris).
    Gender non-conforming people have been around for ages. People have experienced dysphoria for ages. It used to be that you figured out coping mechanisms and made the best of your life and learned how to be tough in order to handle it. Now it's been pathologized and "requires medical treatment," which to me (someone in the field of medical and biological research) smacks of bullshit. There are no reputable studies that can even distinguish between male and female brains, so how in the world can a "female" brain be in a male body or viceversa?
    Read "Pink Brain Blue Brain." Read "Delusions of Gender." Educate yourself on the science (rather, pseudoscience, as elucidated in these books) of brain sex and then maybe you'll begin to think a little differently. Cosmetic changes are not the answer.

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  28. @Zombie:
    I never said that dypshoria makes someone trans, but it is something that most trans people experience.
    I know that cosmetic changes never MAKE someone the opposite physical sex, but it helps get rid of some dysphoria. Of course an enlarged clit is still a clit. Of course trasnwomen are XY and transmen are XX. I know, and so does everyone else, that that fact does not change.
    Gender, however, is different to sex, and can be different. Not everyone is cisgendered.

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  29. You'd benefit from some real critical, rational thinking James. Seriously read out loud what you just wrote. So what is gender, then? Try not to be sexist. Well you're at it, how would you define transsexuality, then? If it's not dysphoria (because people that are not trans experience dysphoria), then what's the defining characteristic?
    Oh, that's right. The CHOICE to physically modify your body. "Choice" being the operative word. I'm sorry but if there is a way to live while experiencing dysphoria and not being trans, then physical transition is a choice. Cut and dry. It's that simple.

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  30. Looks like you would benefit from some critical thinking as well, friend. Sex is between the legs and Gender is between the ears. Is that really so difficult to understand? There's stuff we still don't understand about the human brain. How is this any different?

    Being trans is not a choice. Transition is, but a lot of people that begin it are at their wits end anyways. It's either make that life choice or continue to suffer. Dysphoria is a symptom of being trans. The defining characteristic is feeling no connection to your body, or feeling that you should be the opposite sex etc.

    And yes, again, transition is a choice. A choice that for a lot of trans people dulls or removes their dysphoria. Just like conversion therapy doesn't work for gay people, conversion therapy has proven to not work for trans people either. They still have those feelings of disconnect with their body or dysphoria. The point of transition is to make a person comfortable in their own skin. Nothing more.

    If someone chooses to transition that is their CHOICE. Not yours. I'm so sick of you people policing other people's lives.

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  31. @Anonymous at 4:04PM, thank you.
    Everyone needs to read what that Anonymous wrote, as all of it's completely true.
    Being trans IS NOT a choice. Physical transition IS a choice. Not all trans people transition, but many do.

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  32. Not your friend, and actually you don't know me at all. I underwent social transition for years and physical transition as well before I came to my good senses. You can't tell me that there aren't other ways to deal with it. There are.
    As for gender being between the ears... back yourself up. Show me papers. I've cited relevant scientific sources (i.e. the two books above, written by PhDs in Psychology and Neuroscience) that completely dispel the "brain sex" theory. If "brain sex" does not exist, then what do you propose gender is? What is this nebulous "gender" in your brain that is somehow different from your sex if brains from both sexes cannot be distinguished from one another? While there are things that we do not understand about the brain, the non-existence of brain sex is not one of them. There is literally zero evidence that there is any such thing as "gender" within the brain. Also, if the mismatch exists within the brain, then why is the therapy to the body?

    You know what could really elucidate this for you? Think about the differences between a trans identified female and myself. Both experience dysphoria in relation to physical sexual characteristics. Both experience social anxiety as related to being "treated as a female." I feel disconnect with my body, so does a trans identified female. When you get right down to it, the only real difference is the CHOICE to identify as trans, and the the CHOICE to physically transition. Do whatever you want to your body, it is literally no skin off of my nose. But it is a choice. Good luck with your choices and reconciling them with yourself in your old age.

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  33. @James
    What is trans if it is not body dysphoria (because non-trans people experience body dysphoria) and it is not brain sex because brain sex does not exist? What makes "trans," then?

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  34. @Zombie.
    Neither of the sources you posted PROVES that there's no difference in female and male brains.

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/men-women-different-brains1.htm

    http://www.channel4embarrassingillnesses.com/episodes/episode-guides/embarrassing-bodies-series-6/episode-3--caerphilly/brain-gender/

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html#.Uijw_BtQFAg

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/01/26/scans-show-difference-in-transgender-brains/

    And, of course it is the choice to physically transition. Of course it's the choice to accept being trans. But being trans itself is not a choice. Trans people can't help it any more than gay people being gay.

    Again, brain sex more-than-likely does exist.

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  35. Okay... so I post published books by well-respected PhDs and you post pop news sources. Did you even read them? Nope, clearly you didn't read two entire books in the past two hours. We're done here. I don't have time for this. I've got way more important shit to be doing.
    By the way, try looking up things on reputable sources like pubmed instead of just googling news articles.

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  36. I'd leave you with this - If you do your real research (primary sources, peer-reviewed articles, studies with n > 100, published books, etc), and come to the conclusion that brain sex does not exist - then I don't see how there's any possible way to conclude that there is any real impetus to transition that exists outside of a psychological failure to cope. Good luck. I'm 100% happy with my decision to accept myself as female and work hard to deal with that, because I cannot submit to medical alteration of my body without a provable biological imperative to do so. If you do not need this biological imperative and are happy functioning on just your feelings, then you're of course free to do so. All I can do is offer the information that there is nothing biological forcing you to transition or identify as trans, and it is 100% your choice. You'll do as you will.

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  37. @Zombie.
    Of course I haven't read those books in the last two hours, but clearly they're mostly full of shit.
    You should actually do research instead of just claim something that is more-than-likely not true.
    You should really be nicer to trans people, whether you believe in them or not. Once upon a time people acted towards lesbians and gays as you're acting towards trans people now.

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  38. @James
    You missed the part where I'm a biomedical researcher. This sort of thing is not only a personal interest, research is my job. I know you'll want to have the last word after this, and that's fine. Honestly, I wish health and happiness on everyone in the world, and that includes trans people. All I'm saying is there's nothing biological that makes trans people trans. Maybe there's nothing biological that makes gay people gay (in fact, I hope that it's the case), but being gay doesn't require medical intervention and I don't see how a non-transitioning person is trans if there is no such thing as brain sex. Again, read real articles. seriously anything with n < 50 [i.e. every trans study ever] cannot be reputable, and if you knew about real science research you'd realize that transitioning people are really just being experimented on.
    I wish you well. I wish you health. And I wish that you would read real science.

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  39. @Zombie.
    I'm completely speechless about what you said. Just because you're a biomedical researcher doesn't mean that you know everything about biology and human science.
    Also, trans people don't always transition, which has been said so many times. You need to stop assuming that there's no such thing as brain sex. There probably is. Just because you've read a couple of books on it doesn't mean you know all about it.

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  40. Once upon a time people acted towards lesbians and gays as you're acting towards trans people now.

    PLEASE STOP COMPARING GAY AND LESBIAN TO TRANSGENDER. IT'S GETTING OLD, AND NO ONE IS BUYING IT ANYMORE.

    I'm so sick of trans people dragging up gay and lesbian when they know full well that "transitioning" is being used to erase gay and lesbian identity. Indeed, there are credible sources that say that sex reassignment surgery is one way that Iran deals with its homosexual problem. Actually, there are no homosexuals in Iran according to Ahmadinejad. Why would one of the most oppressive governments in the world execute homosexuals yet pay for sex reassignment surgery? In western countries, we are just more subtle about our particular form of gay and lesbian eugenics. We start the little tomboys and sissy boys out on GnRH agonists at the first sign of puberty.

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  41. Of course I haven't read those books in the last two hours, but clearly they're mostly full of shit.

    No, they are excellent books by credible researchers. If the differences between male and female brains isn't as great as we thought, then what does this say about the trans brain sex theories. What might start out as minor differences become magnified over time.

    "Pink Brain Blue Brain" by Lise Eliot.

    Lise Eliot, a graduate of Harvard, received her Ph.D. from Columbia University. She is Associate Professor of Neuroscience at The Chicago Medical School of Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science.

    "Delusions of Gender" by Cordelia Fine

    Cordelia studied Experimental Psychology at Oxford University, followed by an M.Phil in Criminology at Cambridge University. She was awarded a Ph.D in Psychology from University College London. Between 2002 to 2011 she held research positions at Monash University, the Australian National University, then Macquarie University.

    She is currently an ARC Future Fellow in Psychological Sciences and Associate Professor at the Melbourne Business School, University of Melbourne.


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  42. I got my opinions on this FTM/MTF thing. Wont go into anything deep now but this person is born a GIRL. There is NO going around that how many meds you take or how many "disorders" you can slap on. These people are born WOMEN and have psycholgical issues with their self esteem and their bodies. ITs a disorder which can be treated AND im NOT talking about FTM/MTF but therapy and other medications.

    Why should a company hire someone who lies or witholds the truth? I sure wouldn't.

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  43. "Pink Brain Blue Brain" continued

    Neuroplasticity which basically means that brains are malleable, and will change as a result of experience. A toddler’s interactions and activities, for instance, influence some neural circuits. Plasticity is greater in childhood than adulthood.

    Though the brain differences are relatively insignificant at birth, they are heightened by the “boy” and “girl” cultures in which children become indoctrinated. The way we parent our girls and boys affects the way their brains get wired.

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  44. @James

    There is some research that shows that there are slight differences between the brains of homosexuals and heterosexuals. What does this have to do with everything that has been posted? The only difference between a butch lesbian and a transgender identified biological female is often one of personal identification. No one wants to hear this because even whispering is sacrilegious and out right blasphemy to trans activists. I've known some butch lesbians who are far more gender non-conforming than many FTMs such as Chaz Bono or Thomas Beatie. Thomas Beatie was a teenage beauty queen who wore dresses and makeup. Thomas Beatie, the pregnant "man" had three children after legally changing her sex to male. Few butch lesbian I've known would ever be caught dead competing in a beauty pageant dressed in high heels, makeup, and frilly dresses. My point is this. There could be certain differences in the brains between gender non-conforming people, especially people who exhibit these behaviors at an early age, and these behaviors persist throughout the individual's life. Perhaps butch lesbians have a so-called "trans brain" and they don't even know it. Now, I'll phrase it another way because this could be just as valid, compelling, and pertinent. Perhaps transgender identified biological females have a "butch lesbian brain" and they don't even know it. Again, it's just a matter of social and cultural labels, beliefs, attitudes, and personal identification.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080617151845.htm

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/111663.php

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=study-says-brains-of-gay

    I'm aware of the studies that show that androgens if fetal development seem to prime the brain for certain types of behavior such as rough and tumble play, risk taking, aggression, etc. As to FTMs (biological females who "transition"), even CAH females rarely identify as male. There have been some studies that show that they tend to exhibit play behavior similar to male children in terms of being active, and they have a slight propensity to be bisexual or lesbian, but even CAH females don't necessarily identify as male. The minute they can speak, they don't always say, "I'm a boy". The vast majority of transgender identified persons HAVE NO ACTUAL INTERSEX MEDICAL CONDITION.

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  45. "I'm aware of the studies that show that androgens if fetal development seem to prime the brain for certain types of behavior such as rough and tumble play, risk taking, aggression, etc"

    Typo...androgens in fetal development

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  46. @Zombie....great posts...

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  47. @James

    Sex is between the legs and Gender is between the ears. Is that really so difficult to understand? There's stuff we still don't understand about the human brain. How is this any different?

    Being trans is not a choice...


    Below is an excellent article entitled "Socialized Trans".

    "One way to describe part of my experience is to say that I was socialized “trans”. That is, people assumed I was trans and treated me how they thought a trans person ought to be treated regardless of how I identified myself at the time. This treatment over time began to effect how I saw myself, helped to instill a trans male identity and encouraged me to transition. I think this is a phenomena that effects many females who are butch, “masculine” or otherwise don’t fit conventional “femininity”.

    When I say that females are socialized “trans”, I mean that they’re treated as though their qualities, behaviors, mannerisms, appearances, and so forth are taken as indicators that they’re trans and so they get male pronouns, get asked when they’re going to transition, complimented on how well they pass, etc.

    In my own circumstances, I would say being socialized “trans” included finding that my choice of name, clothing, physical features, interests, mannerisms and overall qualities were judged male by many people. These people decided that these qualities meant I was a boy with a female body rather than a girl with characteristics usually associated with boys and so it was therefore appropriate to use male pronouns without consulting me about my preferences. People used male pronouns to refer to me not only because they thought I preferred them but also because they seemed more comfortable using them to describe me. I was also told what a cute boy I made many times. On my own, I was considering that I could be trans but having many other people label me as such certainly reinforced that possibility and made it seem more likely.

    Crucially, this socialization also consisted of a lot of positive reinforcement. That is, when people decided I was trans and treated me accordingly they were often at the same time trying to show respect or be friendly. I didn’t receive the same sort of treatment as a butch dyke. When people “accepted” me as a trans dude they also integrated me into their social scene. People listened to me when I talked about being trans, gave me an opportunity to hold forth on my life. There’s this dynamic that can arise between trans people and trans allies where trans people get support and attention from allies and allies gain political/socially progressive cred for being friendly and cool with someone society thinks is a freak. Such a relationship typically contains some degree of objectification of the trans person, ranging from being slightly tinted by it to being totally pervaded."

    http://crashchaoscats.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/socialized-trans/

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  48. Question for those women claiming there is no brain gender: how (or when) did you personally decide you are female? Do you only identify as female because you have a vagina and everyone sees your secondary sex characteristics and calls you a woman? If your parents had raised you as a boy, would you just take their word for it and feel like a boy? Of course not, so when you insist you *know* that you for sure are female, why do you disbelieve others for their own surety? Isn't your identification as a woman based on your own sense of innate female-ness? Same with trans people and their respective gender. *THAT* is what is meant by brain gender.

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  49. I don’t „identify“ as female: I am female based on biology. Also, as far as the “gender is between your ears” thing goes, I’ve never once heard a man say that, and I really doubt if the FtM’s could get real dicks we’d ever hear a peep from them about that either.
    Germany

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  50. Anon 8:18,
    For starters, the whole "trans" concept started over here a bit over 100 years ago, and the original Dr. notes and other documentation of that early experimentation is in German, very creepy/sad to read.
    Germany

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  51. @Anon4:10AM
    The strongest "gender identity" I've ever had was my identity as a transmale while I was transitioning for six years. Many years still later, I have realized that the whole "gender identity" thing is hogwash, and I have been able to recognize that I am female. There is no identifying about it, it is merely a fact. I know for sure that I am a female because I have a full female reproductive system (and yes, I know for sure that I have one). I have no "sense of innate female-ness." The only reason I am female is because of my physical characteristics, and it has absolutely nothing to do with my brain.

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  52. For those interested in educating themselves on the full-spectrum of brain sex theory but unwilling to commit to reading the entirety of the two books discussed above, I have another resource you may be interested in. This is a piece written by a Dr. Anne Lawrence, MD PhD who is herself a transsexual. This is a review article, which is to say it does not provide new primary information but rather compiles, compares, and critiques previously published studies. You will likely recognize many of her sources.

    http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/brain-sex_critique.html

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  53. When I read the conversation between Zombie and James, I can see why Zombie stopped the converstation.
    I love what you say, Zombie, you're an intelligent woman and you do your research very well.
    I doubt that somebody like James will ever read stuff like that. It looks to me that James only reads stuff that proves his thoughts. That's not so smart.


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  54. An interesting question for those readers who are trans identified:
    Lets work with a hypothesis that brain sex is real. Lets say, even, that you would be able to tell with a scan rather than the post-mortem dissection reported in the overwhelming majority if trans studies. Let's say that you could biologically prove trans sexuality outside of personal identification.
    As part of the diagnosis for your treatment, you undergo this brain scan and come back as typical for your phenotypic sex, rather than your trans-identified gender. How does this alter your sense of self? If, knowing that you could be biologically proven incorrect regarding your assumptions about your "brain sex," would you undergo this test? I think it as similar to a biopsy, perhaps, but less invasive. It is meant to confirm and specify a diagnosis.
    Also, Big, thank you for your kind words.

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  55. @James

    If there is such a thing as a "trans brain", and there are slight differences in the brains of trans identified people compared to non-transgender identified people, then how does James explain de-transitioning? There are numerous examples of people reverting back to identifying with the sex they were born into.

    According to, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981931

    “Most children with gender dysphoria will not remain gender dysphoric after puberty. Children with persistent GID are characterized by more extreme gender dysphoria in childhood than children with desisting gender dysphoria. With regard to sexual orientation, the most likely outcome of childhood GID is homosexuality or bisexuality.”

    A simple online google search turns up several examples of children who struggled with gender dysphoria, and later changed their minds as they matured.

    'I was born a boy, became a girl, and now I want to be a boy again': Britain's youngest sex swap patient to reverse her sex change treatment

    October 29, 2012

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2224753/Ria-Cooper-Britains-youngest-sex-change-patient-reverse-treatment.html#ixzz2AjFa43a9

    Below is a link to a MTV video of a young man who identified as a girl and now wants to return to being a man. Also, in the MTV video, a young woman who once identified as a boy changed her mind and returned to being a girl. The young man who appears to be in his early twenties discusses having his breast implants removed. In the same MTV video, the young woman who looks like she could be in her mid-twenties is shown undergoing laser treatments to remove the facial hair that was caused by earlier testosterone use.

    http://www.mtv.com/videos/true-life-im-questioning-my-gender-again/1704884/playlist.jhtml

    Detransitioning stories are easy to run across on the internet. Transitioning essentially means the process whereby one changes his or her outward appearance to match or coincide with how one identifies or feels internally. Transitioning usually involves cross-gender hormones and surgery. Detransitioning is the opposite of transitioning, and there are numerous examples of people stopping cross-gender hormones. Testosterone is commonly referred to as “T” and FTM means female to male.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHFV7Upr52M
    http://detransition.blogspot.com/

    “I am a 22 year old woman who lived as male for 3 years and took testosterone for a year and a half. I am currently 8 months into detransition.”

    http://twentythreetimes.tumblr.com/T.

    “Anonymous asked: I've been off T for 5 months now. My hormones are still balancing themselves out, and as that happens I find myself discovering more and more of my inner world that I didn't even realize I lost while on T. It's a beautiful thing. I feel like my mental self is re-awakening and growing again. I'm so happy to re-discover the real Me that I love.”
    http://atlasstrawberries.tumblr.com/post/49896874618/ive-been-off-t-for-5-months-now-my-hormones-are-still

    “My name is -name redacted-, im 25 and i am a former FTM, also detransitioning and having a rough time through the post traumatic stress after being on testosterone, my body, my face, my feelings went all wrong on T and know im fighting to come back..”

    http://atlasstrawberries.tumblr.com/post/32054720795/happy
    http://atlasstrawberries.tumblr.com/

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  56. De-transitioning continued...

    Adults who identify as transgender, or say they “feel trapped in the wrong body” also change their minds and revert back to the sex they were born into.
    I’m a guy again! ABC newsman who switched genders wants to switch back

    August 6, 2013

    “He thought he was a woman trapped in a man’s body — but it turns out he’s “just another boring straight guy.”
    ABC News editor Don Ennis strolled into the newsroom in May wearing a little black dress and an auburn wig and announced he was transgender and splitting from his wife. He wanted to be called Dawn.
    But now he says he suffered from a two-day bout of amnesia that has made him realize he wants to live his life again as Don”.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/guy_again_eKq3Jw6LjgsjpBdmZklrtM

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  57. Question for those women claiming there is no brain gender: how (or when) did you personally decide you are female?

    Female is a biological reality. I can't change my DNA or the fact that I was born a female with a female reproductive system. Humans like all primates reproduce sexually. Without mitochondrial DNA that is inherited solely from the mother and at least one X chromosome, (there is no such thing as YO, only one Y chromosome)no human can survive.

    Please don't go off on a wild tangent about rare disorders of sexual development (intersex) because the majority of transgender identified people do NOT have an actual DSD medical diagnosis. Transgender and DSD are NOT one and the same. We have covered this issue before. Even DSD arise from sexual reproduction.

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  58. @Zombie

    I appreciate a disciplined scientific mind....

    excellent posts....

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  59. An interesting question for those readers who are trans identified:

    Lets work with a hypothesis that brain sex is real. Lets say, even, that you would be able to tell with a scan rather than the post-mortem dissection reported in the overwhelming majority if trans studies. Let's say that you could biologically prove trans sexuality outside of personal identification.

    As part of the diagnosis for your treatment, you undergo this brain scan and come back as typical for your phenotypic sex, rather than your trans-identified gender. How does this alter your sense of self? If, knowing that you could be biologically proven incorrect regarding your assumptions about your "brain sex," would you undergo this test? I think it as similar to a biopsy, perhaps, but less invasive. It is meant to confirm and specify a diagnosis.


    This would be very difficult to prove one way or another. First of all, we can't do brain scans on millions of people. For the sake of argument, let's say that prior to "transitioning" there are slight differences in the brains of transgender identified persons. Couldn't these same differences also exist in non-transgender identified people?

    In all honesty, the thought of scanning thousands of people's brains because they appear too gender non-conforming is wide open for abuse and certainly is subjective by its very nature. For example, a seven year old female child won't play with dolls and doesn't like to wear dresses to school. Should we scan her brain because of her choices in toys and clothes? There is nothing physically wrong with the child. She is happy, but her behavior makes her parents extremely uncomfortable. The ethical implications frighten the heck out of me. It's the stuff of nightmares.


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  60. "As part of the diagnosis for your treatment, you undergo this brain scan and come back as typical for your phenotypic sex, rather than your trans-identified gender. How does this alter your sense of self? If, knowing that you could be biologically proven incorrect regarding your assumptions about your "brain sex," would you undergo this test? I think it as similar to a biopsy, perhaps, but less invasive. It is meant to confirm and specify a diagnosis."

    I'm not a doctor, but transgender is not a medical diagnosis. It's a socially constructed label. People who exhibit gender non-conformity but do not identify as transgender could also have subtle differences in their brains. If we get out an anatomy of the brain, there is no gross anatomical structure called a "trans brain".

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  61. Anon@3:57 and Anon@3:47
    That's actually precisely my point ;)
    I've been arguing that there is no brain sex up and down this discussion. I was merely making an allowance for some make-believe in which we could discuss the real underlying issues.
    I posit this question to trans identified people to get them to think more deeply about the medical nature of their condition, or really, the psychological nature of their condition. Of course there's no way to do this, and in my little made up experiment it was only in reference to self-described trans-identified individuals seeking medical treatment for their condition. I do hope that no one thought I was making implications that we should perform brain scans on all gender non-conforming people... that's a hideous idea.

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  62. Guys, don't whine because these ladies have sand in their vaginas when it comes to transmen. Where you see your personal salvation, they see the end of their community. This rift will never be healed. Everyone else in the world sees you as male, so who gives a fuck if these bitter holdouts want to think of you as female. It's a like a tree that fell in the forest-nobody hears it. You've got your whole life ahead of you AS YOU WISH TO LIVE IT. Most people don't take your transition personally because they know it's not about them. When it comes to a tiny fraction of the population not "believing' you, don't go to the park and sit down right next to the one pile of dog shit there.

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  63. It's incredibly delusional to think that only a 'tiny fraction' of the world's population don't think that people's brains can be in the wrong bodies. If all the young 'transmen' would just admit why they're really doing this (for style, for access to the boys' club, to be treated with civility (until it's realized that they're female)), I'd not care so much. But all the junk science is ridiculous.

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  64. And it's always funny when 'transmen' with vaginas always bring up other biological females' vaginas as insults.

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  65. Guys, don't whine because these ladies have sand in their vaginas when it comes to transmen.

    I don't understand the "don't whine because these ladies have sand in their vaginas" comment. What does this mean?

    Everyone else in the world sees you as male, so who gives a fuck if these bitter holdouts want to think of you as female.

    No, not everyone in the world sees biological females as "males", especially "transmen" who have babies AFTER they legally change their sex. This has been forced on people, and deep down in the hearts and minds of most people, we really don't believe it. We remain silent for fear of being branded "transphobic", or not cool or PC enough. We don't want to hurt anyone's feelings even though we know it's utter nonsense. It's kind of like the crazy uncle that everyone in the family refuses to acknowledge. We are all afraid of being seen as brutish and impolite for pointing out the absurdities.

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  66. Hey, shout it from the mountaintops if ya like. Sometimes I think certain subsets of gays are immature. Childish. Precious. A lot of times I feel that certain people aren't actually gay, but rather that they feel like misfits. These are the ones that gravitate back towards straightness in the end. I'm pretty sure that there is no actual biological basis for homosexuality. There can be no procreation, and human homosexuality occurs at a higher rate than in animals, making it more of a cultural thing. I think its a way to be "special" and rebellious with high rates if attrition later. But I don't say anything because it would hurt feelings and its no skin off my back. So there, we are even.

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  67. It doesn't matter if there's a 'biological basis' to homosexuality or not. What is the rate of 'transsexuality' in animals?

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  68. Wow! I looked it up. There are plenty of examples of animals changing secondary sex characteristics and appearing to be the other sex. Do you think the lesbian lions are pissed at that one lioness who's growing a beard? Somehow I think the animal world is a little less pathetic... Leave us alone.

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    1. Yes and ive seen a female dog piss like a male dog leg up over a post :-)

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  69. Oh! Do these animals have dysphoria? What doctors do they go to for hormones and surgery to make them feel 'normal?'

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  70. More importantly, were they lesbian BEFORE they transitioned?

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  71. Animals don't intentionally 'transition' to make themselves 'feel better'- ridiculous argument. Not everybody is a lesbian here by the way.

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  72. Gay people are a product of pedo's every single gay person i know was a victim of sex abuse work that out..

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  73. Seems unlikely that gay people would have been sexually abused in childhood more than any other segment of the population (especially when female). None of my friends, gay or straight, have a history of sexual abuse- but the traumatized may tend to stick together.

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  74. They are not people i hang out with anyway just saying

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  75. And gays are made not born

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  76. It's like talking to a petulant child! Why do I bother? These kids have no knowledge of the world outside their own super-special heads. (It doesn't matter to me if I was 'born' with my sexual orientation or if I just learned over time whose company I prefer.)

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  77. this makes me EVEN MORE thankful that I didn't have to change my name. thank god for being given two unisex names at birth

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  78. There are plenty of examples of animals changing secondary sex characteristics and appearing to be the other sex.

    Not in primates, and I've never heard of it happening in mammals.

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  79. I'm pretty sure that there is no actual biological basis for homosexuality.

    This could be true, but it goes back thousands of years to the ancient Greeks. Moreover, it has been observed in primates and mammals.

    Homosexuality has been documented in almost 500 species of animals, signaling that sexual preference is predetermined. Considered the closest living relative to humans, bonobos are not shy about seeking sexual pleasure. Nearly all of these peace-loving apes are bisexual and often resolve conflict by the "make love, not war" principle. They copulate frequently, scream out in delight while doing so, and often engage in homosexual activities. About two thirds of the homosexual activities are amongst females.

    http://www.livescience.com/16138-gay-animals-bonobos-dolphins.html

    Bonobos and Chimpanzees share close to 99% of their genome in common with humans, meaning that their genomes are more similar to that of humans than they are to that of gorillas. However, it may be that Bonobos, whose psychology is virtually unstudied relative to that of chimpanzees, are more similar to humans than are chimpanzees in how they solve various social problems (e.g. Hare, Melis, Woods, Hastings, & Wrangham, 2007). Such similarities may even be partly the result of shared and heritable neurophysiology that potentially regulates the social emotions of humans and Bonobos in similar ways (Hammock & Young, 2005).

    http://www.eva.mpg.de/3chimps/files/apes.htm

    We can observe bonobos engaging in all types of sexual activity. Indeed, some scientists say that bonobos are basically bisexual. We can obverse mammals (sheep, bison, antelope, dolphins, etc.) engaging in what would be described as same sex sexual activity. Primates and mammals don't change their sex.

    There are plenty of examples of animals changing secondary sex characteristics and appearing to be the other sex.

    There are a couple of species of fish that have this ability, but how close genetically are fish to humans? In some species of reptiles, temperature dictates sex.

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  80. There can be no procreation, and human homosexuality occurs at a higher rate than in animals, making it more of a cultural thing.

    I know many gay men and lesbians who have children. Transgender seem to go about it in a different way. Of course, the biological process is the same, but it's what tell themselves that is most interesting. For example, even when they get pregnant and carry a fetus to term just other females, FTMs expect people to call them "men". Apparently, they are the fathers of the children they gave birth to. Also, MTFs who were married to the same woman for ten years and fathered children with his spouse, expect the ex-wives to call them (the father of the children), "women". It's all ridiculous, but we have to go along with it.

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  81. Hey, do bonobos experience lesbian bed-death too?

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  82. Do bonobos sleep in beds? Seriously though, I don't think lesbians tire of their partners any more than straight women do. But that's cool how you took a jab at dykes; they're so barfy, right?

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  83. I want to follow up on Chelsea (Bradley), "Bradass87" Manning. Or, why people shouldn't trust their secret files (all 700,000 of them) to confused transgender folks.

    This is an article from

    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/like-it-or-not-bradley-manning-is-a-traitor-not-a-hero/

    "Upon entering the Army, almost immediately, there are accounts of Bradley Manning’s conflicts with drill sergeants and his near discharge before even completing basic training. While deployed in Iraq he lacked discipline, seemed to be looking for ways to get kicked out and often was subjected to disciplinary action for his behavior.

    Have many of his supporters read some of the transcripts of his conversations with Adrian Lamo? When I say Manning has serious emotional issues, it’s not an exaggeration or any kind of personal attack. In one of the transcripts with Mr. Lamo, Manning states that he didn’t mind being put in jail for the rest of his life, or being executed, he just worried about “his picture being plastered all over the World Press—as a boy.”


    He seemingly wasn’t aware of the consequences that his actions might have on others — instead, one of his main concerns was that the world would see him in the press as a male, not a female, which he felt deep down he really was.

    Here’s a piece of the transcript:

    (1:11:54 PM) bradass87: and … its important that it gets out … i feel, for some bizarre reason

    (1:12:02 PM) bradass87: it might actually change something

    (1:13:10 PM) bradass87: i just … dont wish to be a part of it … at least not now … im not ready … i wouldn’t mind going to prison for the rest of my life, or being executed so much, if it wasn’t for the possibility of having pictures of me … plastered all over the world press … as a boy

    (1:14:11 PM) bradass87: i’ve totally lost my mind … i make no sense …
    the CPU is not made for this motherboard

    (1:39:03 PM) bradass87: i cant believe what im confessing to you :’("

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  84. Chelsea (Bradley), "bradass87" Manning continued...

    "He wasn’t someone that had years of knowledge within the intelligence community, who carefully leaked specific and vital information to the media, hoping to expose some wrong doings by our government. He was an angry individual, looking for some kind of validation in his life, that did an information dump of hundreds of thousands of pieces of classified information recklessly—because he could.

    Looking at how much information he leaked out, there’s no way he really knew about everything he was releasing. He basically grabbed as much as he could, as quickly as he could."

    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/like-it-or-not-bradley-manning-is-a-traitor-not-a-hero/

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  85. I wish the person in the video all the best, but she, I mean "he" does seem to be incredibly depressed. I thought "transition" was supposed to fix this. There was something that this individual said that stuck with me. In the first part of the video, she says, "Crying makes me feel weak", and goes on to say, "I hated crying before...it's definitely hormonal driven." This is a female who has a child, and she is saying crying is definitely hormonal driven and it makes her feel weak.

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  86. I want to follow up on Chelsea (Bradley), "bradass87" Manning. Or, why people shouldn't trust their secret files (all 700,000 of them) to confused transgender folks.

    Gay men and lesbians have served honorably even before don't ask don't tell was struck down. There are horror stories of how gay men and lesbians had to hide their personal lives, and were often kicked out of the military solely for being gay or lesbian. These brave men and women ARE HEROES. Now, poor, misunderstood Chelsea comes along and is convicted of the largest leak of classified documents in U.S. history.











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  87. "But that's cool how you took a jab at dykes; they're so barfy, right?"

    Yeah, the ones here are.

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  88. Great post yet again, Dirt. Your assessment is spot on!

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  89. I should definitely start outing all the gay people I know at their places of employment, and especially where their lives would be in danger. People should be honest about who they are.

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  90. Agree whats good for the goose is good for the gander..

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  91. I should definitely start outing all the gay people I know at their places of employment, and especially where their lives would be in danger. People should be honest about who they are.
    Are you implying that 'trans' people are 'outed' on this blog? All the people I've seen discussed here seem to publicly discuss their 'transitions' nonstop on the internet.

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  92. I should definitely start outing all the gay people I know at their places of employment, and especially where their lives would be in danger. People should be honest about who they are.

    No one on this blog outs people at their places of employment whether trans or non-trans identified. I don't do it in my personal life and would never do it. As for dirt, I've been reading her blog for the last two years. I've never come across anything where she mentions a person's actual place of employment. Who would be stupid enough to tell where they work on a youtube video? The person in the video said that she applied for a job at a law firm. She didn't say which law firm. I wasn't sure if she said law firm or security agency. At any rate, this is all we know. There are thousands of law firms in the U.S. If she, rather "he", didn't want people to know about her failing the background check, then why did she make a youtube video? Anyone with a computer and internet access can see it.

    As to the person in the video, FTMs can't completely hide their female past, especially when employers do a complete background check.

    Are you implying that 'trans' people are 'outed' on this blog? All the people I've seen discussed here seem to publicly discuss their 'transitions' nonstop on the internet.


    "Transitioning" IS being discussed nonstop on the internet. It's nearly impossible not to notice it.

    Some FTMs make youtube videos when they grow a whisker. I grew my first whisker. I'll make a youtube video. The special first shot of "T" has to be recorded to share with my buddies. Where can I get a quickie, no questions asked "T" letter? Also, they like to share stories of binding techniques, where to find binders, STP devives, packers, etc. They make youtube videos of their first shot of "T". They make youtube videos of one month on "T", six months on "T", one year on "T", and so forth. There are post "top surgery" videos.

    Go to youtube.com and type in FTM in the search box. There are about 304,000 results.

    Google search FTM

    11,000,000 results

    Google search "female to male "

    2,240,000 results

    Google search FTM and employment

    486,000 results

    Trans and "transitioning" is all over the internet.

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  93. "Agree whats good for the goose is good for the gander.."

    If Chelsea Manning bradass87 serves his full 35 years in prison, he will be 61 years old when he gets out. I really feel sorry for him because I do believe he is struggling emotionally, but his goose is cooked. He is a tiny 5'2" 130 lb. man by the name of Chelsea who has to spend time in a military prison. I meant it when I said that I feel sorry for him, and I hope he stays safe and has support while incarcerated. However, gay men and lesbians fought so hard for so long to be accepted in the military. Most straight people automatically lump trans in with gay and lesbian. Manning's largest leak of classifed information in U.S. history makes gay and lesbian soliders look bad. He craps all over their honorable service. Not long after Obama lifted don't ask don't tell, Manning comes along. Again, I wish him well, and actually feel sorry for him.



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