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Monday, May 27, 2013

Gender Odyssey Family Supports The Gender Straight Jacket

Gender Odyssey Family is an annual conference for families who are working to navigate the day-to-day realities of raising a gender non-conforming or transgender child.

First and foremost there is NO such being (child or otherwise) as "gender non-conforming" and until VERY recently there was no such being as a "transgender child". And until medical intervention takes place there remains no such person as the "transgender child". Conferences such as these are designed to keep narrow sex roles in place, i.e. the Gender Straight Jacket. They are also designed to heterosexualize gay and lesbian children via the transition cure.
Teen PROGRAMMING indeed!

A program, with the help of programmers using the old 1 2 3 method, to give you your very own "gender identity"! 
Wrong, the Gender Straight Jacket created and maintained by Patriarchy tells our "heads and hearts who we are" and those bound and gagged by those misogynistic structures, instruct us at our most vulnerable ages with classes, conferences and programs of compliance when we dare to exist outside patriarchy's confines. And by doing so we are slapped with labels of "gender non conformity" or "transgender", all which reenforce that males do these things and females do those things, keeping the sexes (especially the female sex) in their proper hetero-patriarchal places!

And who is there to field some of these difficult questions pick up many new clients with which to make them LOTS of money? A straight guy who is a "woman" fetishist and a straight guy who has found gold in brutally hacking off the healthy breast of insecure girls/women!

What will it take to wake the Gay and Lesbian Community up? These conferences/reprograms etc are growing at an alarming rate. Alarming if you're actually paying the fuck attention! And who are these reprograms directed at? You know it. I know it. Those running these carbon cut out places know it, most of society fucking knows it! THEY ARE DIRECTED AT OBVIOUS GAY AND LESBIAN CHILDREN/YOUTH! And by obvious I mean, your "sissy boy" and your "tomboy girl", most of which if left unharmed by homophobic parents/doctors etc would grow up to be reasonably healthy gay and lesbian adults!

Where mind altering drugs, lobotomies and behaviour therapy failed to "cure" obvious adult homosexuals, transition is successfully doing so in obvious gay and lesbian children. 

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  1. Where there are no children expressing sexual desire, there are NO GAY AND LESBIAN CHILDREN. Gender is separate from sexuality and kids are expressing their gender LONG before sexuality even becomes a thought. Trans is real, so all you are doing is fighting to maintain members of a category that turns out to be much smaller than you thought. Since you have acknowleged the existence of butch straight women and femne straight men, you know
    that gender and sexuality are different. Stop claiming people without their consent.

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  2. ***ATTENTION GLB COMMUNITY***

    ***THERE ARE NO GAY AND LESBIAN CHILDREN***


    Where there are no children expressing sexual desire, there are NO GAY AND LESBIAN CHILDREN.

    I wish just once that the transgender community would be completely honest and candid about this and other subjects. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT "TRANSITIONING" IS BEING USED TO ERASE GAY AND LESBIAN IDENTITY. RATHER, IT'S A MATTER OF HOW MANY, OR TO WHAT DEGREE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.

    Human beings are sexual from the time that they are born. Of course, at very young ages, they don't have mental capacity to say how they feel, or to describe anything. They don't have the words to properly express how they feel. I believe it's safe to say that even as children, many gay men and lesbians felt some special kind of attraction to their own sex. Do they have the proper words for how they felt? I don't imagine they do. This does not mean, however, that this early same sex attraction doesn't exist. It might seem confusing because they have no words to adequately explain how they feel. I’m sure there are many gay men and lesbians that knew even in adolescence that how they felt about their own sex was somehow different than the way their peers felt. I seriously doubt if a twenty one year old person wakes up one morning and says, “Well, today I’m gay”. No, he or she probably had these feelings ever since childhood, or knew that he or she was different. So, I’m not buying into the idea that human beings are completely asexual until they reach adulthood.

    We have heard it all before. Sexual orientation is not the same as gender identity. Is this all there is to it? I don't think so, and the transgender community is intentionally being dishonest on this critical issue. If we look at actual childhood behaviors, or propensity for certain behaviors, it gets more complicated. Scientists and researchers have known for some time that childhood deviations from sex based gender role norms, or what was once simply called ‘tomboyish’ or ‘sissy’ behavior, dress, play, etc. is a fairly good indicator of future sexual orientation. This is something that most people seem to intuitively know. A lot of tomboys and sissy boys, if left alone, do grow up to be healthy and productive gay men and lesbians. That is, unless they are “transitioned” at an early age starting first with puberty suppressing drugs at age twelve or thirteen, then followed by cross gender hormones at age sixteen.

    "Most children with gender dysphoria will not remain gender dysphoric after puberty. Children with persistent GID are characterized by more extreme gender dysphoria in childhood than children with desisting gender dysphoria. With regard to sexual orientation, the most likely outcome of childhood GID is homosexuality or bisexuality."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981931

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  3. “For example, in a 2008 study psychologist Kelley Drummond and her colleagues interviewed 25 adult women who were referred by their parents for assessment at a mental health clinic when they were between three and 12 years old. At the time, all these girls had several diagnostic indicators of gender identity disorder. They might have strongly preferred male playmates, insisted on wearing boys' clothing, favored rough-and-tumble play, stated that they would eventually grow a penis or refused to urinate in a sitting position. Although only 12 percent of these women grew up to be gender dysphoric (the uncomfortable sense that your biological sex does not match your gender), the odds of these women reporting a bisexual or homosexual orientation were up to 23 times higher than would occur in a general sample of young women. Not all tomboys become lesbians, of course, but these data suggest that lesbians often have a history of cross-sex-typed behaviors.
    And the same holds for gay men. Bailey and Zucker, who conducted a retrospective study in which adults answered questions about their past, revealed that 89 percent of randomly sampled gay men recalled cross-sex-typed childhood behaviors exceeding the heterosexual median.
    Critics have argued that participants' memories may be distorted to fit with societal expectations and stereotypes. But in a clever study published in 2008 in Developmental Psychology, evidence from childhood home videos validated this retrospective method. People blindly coded child targets on the latter's sex-typical behaviors, as shown on the screen. The authors found that “those targets who, as adults, identified themselves as homosexual were judged to be gender nonconforming as children.”
    Numerous studies have since replicated this general pattern, revealing a strong link between childhood deviations from gender role norms and adult sexual orientation. There is also evidence of a “dosage effect”: the more gender-nonconforming characteristics there are in childhood, the more likely it is that a homosexual or bisexual orientation will be present in adulthood.”

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-your-child-gay&page=2

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  4. I'm glad that this young man didn't get his testicles cut off now that he identifies as a gay man.

    'I was born a boy, became a girl, and now I want to be a boy again': Britain's youngest sex swap patient to reverse her sex change treatment'

    "Ria Cooper made headlines last year when she became Britain’s youngest sex change patient aged 17, after years of begging her family and the NHS to turn her in to a girl.

    But now, having lived as a women for less than a year the 18-year has decided to change back in to a man after suffering huge mental anguish as a woman.

    She has cancelled the full sex change operation that was scheduled for January and ceased the female hormone therapy that has seen her develop breasts saying that she has found the changes overwhelming and that they have made her deeply unhappy...She believes she will have better luck in love as a 'trendy' gay man, and that returning to being a male will help heal the damaged relationships with her family.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2224753/Ria-Cooper-Britains-youngest-sex-change-patient-reverse-treatment.html#ixzz2AjFa43a9

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  5. THERE IS A LINK ON THE GENDER ODYSSEY FAMILY WEBSITE TO

    http://www.genderdiversity.org/gopro/

    GO Professional Seminar
    Gender Odyssey Professional Seminar
    Dates: July 31 to Aug 1, 2013 – 9:30 am to 5:30 pm
    Location: 3rd Floor, Washington State Convention Center, Seattle WA

    Who Can Attend: Professionals and Students

    THESE ARE THE THERAPISTS AND DOCTORS WHO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN PROVIDING “MEDICAL INTERVENTION” FOR WHAT ESSENTIALLY AMOUNTS TO A CULTURALLY PRESCRIBED CURE FOR A SUBJECTIVE AND OFTEN MISLEADING PSYCHIATRIC DIAGNOSIS

    At GO Pro 2013, leading experts will offer sessions covering gender identity across the lifespan.

    http://www.genderdiversity.org/gopro/workshops/

    Please note that there are a lot of gender therapists in private practice because there is money to be made in this too.

    Megan Smith-Sallans, MS, LMHP, CPC, is a psychotherapist in private practice. For over a decade, Megan has specialized in working with queer communities and has received and administered training both nationally and internationally in the area of queer sexualities and gender identity. Megan works with children, adolescents, adults, families, and partners. Furthermore, Megan is the proud partner of a transgender man who is an activist and author.

    Moderator: Stacey Prince is a cisgender, queer psychologist in private practice in Seattle. She works with adults, couples (same-sex, heterosexual, poly, kink), and transgender clients including transition support, couples and family work, and general psychotherapy. She co-founded the Therapists and Physicians Consult Group at Ingersoll Center for providers working with transgender clients, and Beyond the Bridge, whose mission is to eradicate queer youth suicide.

    Medical Considerations of Hormone Administration For Transgender Adults

    Dr. Carolyn Fuller is a naturopathic physician, licensed as a primary care provider, with a private practice in Seattle. She is a family practice doctor with a subspecialty in transgender health.

    A GENDER ODYSSEY FAMILY CONFERENCE WOULDN'T BE COMPLETE WITHOUT A WORKSHOP OR LECTURE ON PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS FOR PRE-TEENS AND ADOLESCENTS

    The Medical Needs Of Transgender Youth: Puberty Delay

    The physical changes of puberty often bring about growing distress to gender-questioning youth, as they see an increasing discrepancy between their physical bodies and their perceived gender. Puberty-blocking agents, such as the GnRH agonist leuprolide (Lupron), have been used for a number of years in gender-questioning youth who are showing the earliest physical changes of adolescence. Delaying puberty allows the young teen a “cooling off” period, during which they can concentrate their energies on consolidating their gender identity without having to worry about the ticking clock of puberty. As well, the use of puberty-blocking agents prevents the development of adult physical changes (e.g., breast growth in natal girls, beard growth in natal boys), sometimes obviating the need for expensive surgeries or electrolysis down the road. Puberty blockers—when correctly used—have been demonstrated to improve the psychosocial outcomes in transgender youth. This session will address the use of this class of drugs in gender-questioning youth.

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  6. http://www.genderdiversity.org/gopro/workshops/


    Surgical Options For MTF and FTM

    This session will offer a PowerPoint presentation discussing current surgical techniques available for transgender men and women. Dr. Meltzer and Dr. Webb will discuss a variety of procedures including possible risks and/or complications. Before and after photos will be presented and time for questions and answers will be allotted. Drs. Meltzer and Webb attend Gender Odyssey annually to provide attendees with up-to-date information and to allow direct one-on-one consultation time for those considering surgery.

    Dr. Burt Webb – bio coming
    Dr. Toby Meltzer LSU Medical School, U of M Residency Plastic Surgery (PS)
    Board Certifications: ASGS, ASPS. Burn Fellow – Detroit Receiving
    Member ASPS, AMA, Dingman Society
    Alpha Omega Alpha, Best 5th- year Resident, Senior Teaching Resident
    Published in Peer Reviewed Journals, Reviewer for Plastic Surgery Journal
    OHSU – 1990, Asst. Clinical, Asst. Professor and Co-director Hand and Microvascular Fellowship at OHSU. Surgeon of record in over 500 micro cases. Chief, VAMC (PS) 1990-96
    Eastmoreland Hospital and Private Practice 1996-2003(OR).
    2003-present (AZ) SHC Osborn, Greenbaum, SHC Shea, Kaiser Permanent, SF, CA
    Licensed in Arizona and California
    Performs over 240 transgender surgeries per year
    FtM: GRS, Chest, body contouring, repairs and revisions.
    MtF: GRS, FFS, body contouring, breast augmentation, and repairs and revisions.
    For more info: www.tmeltzer.com

    WE CAN’T FORGET THE ENDOCRINOLOGISTS WHO GIVE 12 AND 13YEAR OLD CHILDREN PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS. THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY GET THEM WHEN THEY ARE YOUNG, THEY HAVE THEM FOR LIFE.

    Daniel Metzger, MD, is a pediatric endocrinologist at British Columbia’s Children’s Hospital in Vancouver, Canada. He and his mental-health and adult-transgender colleagues work together as part of the BC Transgender Clinical Care Group, a provincial resource which oversees the medical, mental-health, and surgical care of transgender people in BC. Dr. Metzger and his nursing and social work colleagues have been seeing and treating transgender youth and young adults at BCCH for the past 13 years and are currently in the process of reviewing the first 91 patients that accessed care at the center.

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  7. Question: Has there ever been a time in which a normal stage of human development, adolescence, has been intentionally delayed because of what essentially amounts to a psychiatric diagnosis?

    As I understand it, puberty suppressing drugs have been around for some time, but they have been used for precocious or early puberty. That is, to halt adolescent development when it normally doesn’t occur. I do not believe the use of puberty suppressing drugs for “gender identity disorder” is approved by the FDA this particular use. It’s believed that undergoing adolescent development would be traumatic for children with “gender identity disorder”. Of course, adolescence is a normal part of human development, and is never easy for any child. Whether they admit it or not, one of the major benefits of puberty suppressing drugs is that it makes later “transitioning” much easier. Since these children don’t go through normal adolescent development, there is less healthy tissue to surgically remove later. Also, these individuals are said to be able to 'blend in better.' Boys don’t develop masculine characteristics, and girls get little, if any, breast development. So, the surgeon has less to remove later. Children who are de-sexed through the use of puberty suppressing drugs followed by cross gender hormones are said to pass or blend in better in that they retain few physical characteristics of the sex they were born into. This is because they weren’t allowed to go through normal adolescent development to begin with. In essence, they were de-sexed through puberty suppressing drugs, and then given cross gender hormones. This is why they pass so well. If cross gender hormones are given right after puberty suppressing drugs, future fertility can be compromised. We are talking about sterilizing children. In addition to fertility issues, scientists still don’t know everything about these drugs, particularly as it relates to bone and brain development. While it’s true that puberty suppressing drugs can be discontinued and normal adolescent development will start, some children go from puberty suppressing drugs followed by cross gender hormones, and to SRS surgery at age 18 (16 in some countries). The children who go from puberty suppressing drugs to cross gender hormones essentially are de-sexed at an early age, and not allowed to undergo a normal part of human development.

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  8. The latest transgender talking points is that puberty suppressing drugs “buy time” for these children. Or, gives them time to decide what they want to do with their lives. At least, this is what Dr. Spack is constantly saying. To me, this is very problematic for several reasons.

    This assumes all the following:

    (a.) The time to decide is the same for all children,

    (b.) The child is completely free from any parental, peer, or cultural influences. How much is actual "gender dysphoria" or GID and how much is parental discomfort at having a child that doesn't fit neatly into sex based gender roles?

    (c.) Children have the mental capacity to decide or choose for themselves.

    It’s a scientific fact that the pre-frontal cortex of the human brain which is sometimes called the judgment center of the brain isn’t fully developed until the early to mid-twenties.

    ”The prefrontal cortex, the part of the frontal lobes lying just behind the forehead, is often referred to as the “CEO of the brain.” This brain region is responsible for cognitive analysis and abstract thought, and the moderation of “correct” behavior in social situations. The prefrontal cortex takes in information from all of the senses and orchestrates thoughts and actions to achieve specific goals.1,2 This brain region gives an individual the capacity to exercise “good judgment” when presented with difficult life situations. Brain research indicating that brain development is not complete until near the age of 25, refers specifically to the development of the prefrontal cortex.”

    http://www.hhs.gov/opa/familylife/tech_assistance/etraining/adolescent_brain/Development/prefrontal_cortex/

    Dr. Spack is rather fond of the term “buying time” in reference to puberty suppressing drugs, but this assumes that these children have the mental capacity to fully understand what is happening to them. They no doubt feel different, but this in and of itself doesn’t mean that they have the mental capacity to fully understand how to deal best with all their feelings. They lack the necessary judgment to make informed decisions.

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  9. The hatred you people pour forth is absolutely abhorrent. And you truly do not know what the hell you are talking about. Gee, instead of being a "keyboard warrior" and hiding under the anonymity of the internet, how about Dirt actually attends the conference and learns something? Oh, it is because her mind is already made up, and because the people at the conference would not be having any of the bull feces she is offering up. I celebrate all transgender children, and for you to say they do not exist is genocidal. How dare you call for the extermination of an entire social group through your hate-based rhetoric. Blockers are life saving and I support them 1000%. Apparently you do not understand dysphoria and how horrific it is. Blockers and those who prescribe them are life savers. That you do not get that shows how pathetic you are. And anyways, the train has left the station. Piss and moan all you want, but are side is winning, winning, winning. Your lesbian feminist rhetoric is dying off fast, and thank god for that!

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  10. Many people lived and died being thought of as gay. If they had had access to transition, they would have done it in a heartbeat. Many are seeking that now, knowing that "gay" does not describe them. Gay is about sex and love. It's very hard to explain to gay people why gender is not about sexuality, because they have based their entire identities on a simple sexual preference. It's the aberration from the norm that defines their whole jam. So they see everything through this pinhole, one single aspect of a whole person. Transpeople still get to go and and be gay, bisexual, what-the-fuck ever. *You* are completely defined by the opposition to you, because you have been denied any other perspective except one of your oppression. It's no wonder you think we are coming to get you, but just so you know, we are not. Generally, no transperson gives a fuck what *you* do. Stay gay!

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  11. Gays and lesbians don't exist. Dirt, you are in denial of your female identity by not wanting to procreate with a man. The only purpose of being a male or a female is for reproduction.. that's why men have a Y chromosome and women have another X. This is why you're mentally ill for being a lesbian because it's against female nature to want to have a sexual relationship with a woman. You both have 2 X chromosomes and therefore can't reproduce so you're sexual relationship is a scam. Lesbian and gay sex isn't sex, it's mutual masturbation. Penis in vagina intercourse with the sperm fertilizing the egg is the only sex that exists.

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  12. Gays and lesbians don't exist. Dirt, you are in denial of your female identity by not wanting to procreate with a man. The only purpose of being a male or a female is for reproduction.. that's why men have a Y chromosome and women have another X. This is why you're mentally ill for being a lesbian because it's against female nature to want to have a sexual relationship with a woman. You both have 2 X chromosomes and therefore can't reproduce so you're sexual relationship is a scam. Lesbian and gay sex isn't sex, it's mutual masturbation. Penis in vagina intercourse with the sperm fertilizing the egg is the only sex that exists.

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  13. http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2013/05/27/the-disappearing-butch/#Storify

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  14. Well, there you have it. Gay is not real, with a perfectly logical argument based on biological function. I'm certain that was not a transperson who posted it. Still, that's the other edge of the sword you are trying to use to cut down trans people.

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  15. @ 11:05

    Actually I'm a trans guy. It's nice to see that you got the satire and irony of my post.

    Chromosomes are irrelevant to gender identity anyway, and you can't even see them without the microscope. Nor can one make assumptions about another person's chromosomes (without their medical records) a since there are many different variations like XO, XXY, XYY, XXYY, XXX etc? Sure, chromosomes may be relevant for reproduction but who needs that with adoption or modern medical science is available?

    I just wanted to use that same stupid "chromo-zones" argument against a bigoted lesbian. Glad to see the satirical message wasn't lost on the audience.

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  16. Don't know why my grammar was so fracked up

    *without A microscope
    *different variations like XO, XXY, XYY, XXYY, XXX etc.
    (full stop, not a question mark)
    *who needs that since adoption and modern medical science is available?

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  17. Understood. I'm a trans guy, though I have never had my chromosomes checked. Since I had an unecessary genital surgery when I was a kid, I've done plenty of research on intersex conditions. I always assumed I was XX despite having mixed parts, but who cares? If there is masculinization of genitals, why would it stand to reason that masculinization woud arbitrarily stop there? I have no reason to believe that the brain would be miraculously unaffected. Maybe I should id as intersex, but in this context I'm fiercely protective of transpeople's right to transition. And of course protective of gay people's right to have whatever kind of sex they desire.

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  18. Blockers are life saving and I support them 1000%. Apparently you do not understand dysphoria and how horrific it is. Blockers and those who prescribe them are life savers.

    *SUPPORTING SOMETHING 1,000% THAT ISN'T EVEN STANDARD MEDICAL PRACTICE, OR APPROVED BY THE FDA IS, IN MY OPINION, THE SIGN OF AN UNDISCIPLINED MIND DEVOID OF CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS AND A KNOWLEDGE OF BASIC, RUDIMENTARY SCIENCE. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS FOR "GENDER DYSPHORIA" IN TEENAGERS IS EVEN APPROVED BY THE FDA. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THESE DRUGS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR SOME TIME, BUT USING THEM FOR A PSYCHIATRIC DIAGNOSIS IN CHILDREN IS A RATHER RECENT DEVELOPMENT.

    FACT: ADOLESCENCE IS A NORMAL PART OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT.

    FACT: DESPITE WHAT THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY SAYS, THERE IS NO SUBJECTIVE WAY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN "GENDER DYSPHORIA" AND CULTURAL/PEER PRESSURE/PARENTAL ATTITUDES, ESPECIALLY AT AGE 10 OR 11. SOME OF THESE CHILDREN GET "DIAGNOSED" AT AGE 5 OR 6.

    QUESTION: ISN'T IT TRUE THAT IF CROSS GENDER HORMONES ARE GIVEN RIGHT AFTER PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS, FUTURE FERTILITY CAN BE COMPROMISED? ALSO, AREN'T THERE ISSUES WITH BONE AND BRAIN DEVELOPMENT?

    THESE ARE 11, 12, AND 13 YEAR OLD CHILDREN. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM.

    PLEASE REVIEW WHAT I POSTED BEFORE.

    PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS FOR WHAT AMOUNTS TO A PSYCHIATRIC DISORDER IN CHILDREN AND PRE-TEENS ASSUMES ALL THE FOLLOWING:

    (1.) The diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" or GID in children is accurate, and there isn't something else going on in the child's life.

    (2.) The child is completely free from any parental, peer, or cultural influences. How much is actual "gender dysphoria" or GID and how much is parental discomfort at having a child that doesn't fit neatly into sex based gender roles?

    (3.) Children have the mental capacity to decide or choose for themselves.

    It’s a scientific fact that the pre-frontal cortex of the human brain which is sometimes called the judgment center of the brain isn’t fully developed until the early to mid-twenties.

    ”The prefrontal cortex, the part of the frontal lobes lying just behind the forehead, is often referred to as the “CEO of the brain.” This brain region is responsible for cognitive analysis and abstract thought, and the moderation of “correct” behavior in social situations. The prefrontal cortex takes in information from all of the senses and orchestrates thoughts and actions to achieve specific goals.1,2 This brain region gives an individual the capacity to exercise “good judgment” when presented with difficult life situations. Brain research indicating that brain development is not complete until near the age of 25, refers specifically to the development of the prefrontal cortex.”

    http://www.hhs.gov/opa/familylife/tech_assistance/etraining/adolescent_brain/Development/prefrontal_cortex/


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  19. "Chromosomes are irrelevant to gender identity anyway, and you can't even see them without the microscope. Nor can one make assumptions about another person's chromosomes (without their medical records) a since there are many different variations like XO, XXY, XYY, XXYY, XXX etc? Sure, chromosomes may be relevant for reproduction but who needs that with adoption or modern medical science is available?

    I just wanted to use that same stupid "chromo-zones" argument against a bigoted lesbian. Glad to see the satirical message wasn't lost on the audience.


    "Sure, chromosomes may be relevant for reproduction but who needs that with adoption or modern medical science is available?"

    I hate to break this to this individual, but humans like all primates reproduce sexually. In vitro fertilization is just another form of sexual reproduction. I have nothing against adoption.

    QUESTION: DOES THIS PERSON PLAN ON CLONING HUMANS ANY TIME SOON?

    I'm aware of intersex or disorders of sexual development, but even intersex humans are a result of sexual reproduction. BY THE WAY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF TRANSGENDER INDIVIDUALS DO NOT HAVE AN ACTUAL INTERSEX MEDICAL CONDITION. INTERSEX CAN BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENETIC TESTING, OR OTHER MEDICAL TESTS WHEREAS TRANSGENDER IS MORE OR LESS ALL IN ONE'S MIND, AND THUS AT LEAST PARTLY CULTURALLY BASED. It's possible for an intersex individual to identify as transgender, but intersex and transgender are NOT one and the same. EVEN THE INTERSEX SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN INTERSEX AND TRANSGENDER. I RESPECT INTERSEX INDIVIDUALS, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY CONSTANTLY CO-OPTS THEIR IDENTITY. IN THE 1960s MANY INTERSEX INFANTS WERE OFTEN SUBJECT TO SURGERY ON THEIR GENITALS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LOOK PERFECT AT BIRTH.

    "Chromosomes are irrelevant to gender identity anyway, and you can't even see them without the microscope."

    The SRY gene, on the short arm of the Y chromosome, initiates male sexual differentiation. The SRY influences the undifferentiated gonad to form a testes, which produces the hormonal milieu that results in male sexual differentiation. Of course, in rare intersex medical conditions such as androgen insensitivity, the body doesn't recognize the androgens. As I stated before, the majority of transgender are either biological males or biological females without an actual intersex medical condition.

    As to chromosomes, XO is Turner's Syndrome. Only one X chromosome. Humans have to have an X chromosome to survive. There is no such thing as a YO (only a Y chromosome). It's not that uncommon for biological females to have an extra X chromosome. They are not that different than other females. Also, biological males can have an extra Y chromosome. XXY is an actual intersex medical condition commonly called Klinefelter syndrome or "XXY males", or "47,XXY males". XXY males are often infertile, or may have reduced fertility.


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  20. Many people lived and died being thought of as gay. If they had had access to transition, they would have done it in a heartbeat. Many are seeking that now, knowing that "gay" does not describe them. Gay is about sex and love. It's very hard to explain to gay people why gender is not about sexuality, because they have based their entire identities on a simple sexual preference. It's the aberration from the norm that defines their whole jam. So they see everything through this pinhole, one single aspect of a whole person. Transpeople still get to go and and be gay, bisexual, what-the-fuck ever. *You* are completely defined by the opposition to you, because you have been denied any other perspective except one of your oppression. It's no wonder you think we are coming to get you, but just so you know, we are not. Generally, no transperson gives a fuck what *you* do. Stay gay!

    I do plan on staying lesbian, and I hope that gay men plan on staying gay. As for straight people, I'm happy for them too. What I'm opposed to is the sterilization of children who don't fit neatly into sex based gender roles. I don't believe they need puberty suppressing drugs at age 11 or 12, or cross gender hormones at age 16. I don't believe they need to have their healthy genitals and breasts mutilated.

    I SIMPLY LOVE THIS STATEMENT.

    Many people lived and died being thought of as gay.

    YES, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE! GAY MEN AND LESBIANS HAVE DIED FOR HAVING THE AUDACITY TO LOVE THEIR OWN SEX EMOTIONALLY, SPIRITUALLY, AND SEXUALLY. THEY ARE STILL DYING. OF COURSE, IRAN HAS ITS OWN WAY OF DEALING WITH HOMOSEXUALS.

    THERE ARE NO HOMOSEXUALS IN IRAN ACCORDING TO AHMADINEJAD. HOMOSEXUALS ARE EXECUTED IN IRAN. HOWEVER, THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT WILL PAY FOR SEX REASSIGNMENT SURGERY, AND EVEN HELP WITH THE LEGAL CHANGE OF SEX.

    ISN'T IT A HISTORICAL FACT THAT IN IRAN GAY MEN HAVE BEEN COERCED INTO SEX REASSIGNMENT SURGERY? THIS IS ONE WAY IRAN DEALS WITH ITS HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM. IF THEY GET THEIR TESTICLES CUT OFF AND TAKE FEMALE HORMONES SO THAT THEY AT LEAST LOOK LIKE WOMEN, THEN IT'S OKAY. OTHERWISE, THEY GET EXECUTED FOR BEING GAY.

    "Although it has some of the strictest laws on sexuality and same-sex relations in the world, Iran also has a reputation for an extremely liberal sex-change operations industry.

    According to the BBC, the Iranian regime recently made sexual reassignment even more accessible by announcing that health insurance companies must cover the full cost of sex-change operations, which can cost upward of $3,000.


    According to the BBC, Iran performs more sex-change operations than any country in the world except for Thailand; the surgery industry has attracted patients from all over the Middle East and as far away as Eastern Europe. Official statistics for 2007 put the number of transsexuals in Iran between 15,000and 20,000 people, with unofficial estimates suggesting many more -- up to 150,000, the Guardian reports.

    In a country where same-sex relationships are punishable by execution, sex-changing surgeries may mean the difference between life and death."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/04/iran-sex-change-operation_n_1568604.html

    IN WESTERN COUNTRIES, PERHAPS WE ARE MORE SUBTLE IN OUR PARTICULAR APPROACH TO GAY AND LESBIAN EUGENICS. WE START THEM OUT ON PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS WHEN THEY ARE 10 YEARS OLD.

    AS I STATED EARLIER, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT "TRANSITIONING" IS BEING USED TO ERASE GAY AND LESBIAN IDENTITY. RATHER, IT'S A MATTER OF DEGREE, OR HOW MANY. I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS POST BECAUSE IT WAS SO CANDID AND UPFRONT.

    "I would much rather see my daughter grow up to be a trans man and receive the respect that comes from being a man, rather than be steered into becoming a carpet muncher and someone who gets absolutely no respect in our society."

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/05/camps-influencing-our-impressionable.html

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  21. "Sure, chromosomes may be relevant for reproduction but who needs that with adoption or modern medical science is available?"

    THOMAS BEATIE, THE 'PREGNANT MAN' FTM HAD THREE BABIES AFTER "TRANSITIONING" AND LEGALLY CHANGING HER SEX TO MALE.

    ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF SEXUAL REPRODUCTION.

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  22. You are completely failing to see this from the trans point of view. Gender dysphoria is real, and for many it needs to be treated via hormones and surgery. If you don't like that fact, too dang bad. Get over it! It doesn't affect you anyhow in any way. I see you as being no better than the ex-gay counselors who are trying to turn queer kids into bona-fide heteros. Where do you get the power to deign that kids or adults should not be trans? Why are you trying to convert them into cisgender people against their will? How on Earth do you ethically justify that, and how are you SO sure that you are right? The fact that your desire to change people stems ostensibly from a "radical" or "feminist" standpoint instead of a religionist, conservative one makes no damn difference. You are both dedicated to declaring yourself as god and telling people what is best for them. Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what? People are doing what they need to do to be okay in their own bodies and okay in their own social realm. Rather than dissing and downing them you should be standing and applauding their courage. After all, it is not easy dealing with bigoted ideologues like you all the damn time.

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  23. They're just being protective because they value a person who seems gay more than they value any individual being who they are. From any trans individual's perspective, this is bigoted, hateful, and overstepping boundaries at the least. It's a strong pendulum swing to attempt to offset the explosion in numbers of transpeople. I get it, but the strategy is flawed.

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  24. Anon @ 8.58pm why are you here if you deem this blog to be so devoid of any truth of value? Wouldn't your efforts be better spent puffing up & encouranging more children to transition. If the desire to transition comes partially from social/cultural pressure the so what. It obviously doesn't register with you that individuals plan to make mad loot off that with no regard for the longterm health consequences of potentially vulnerable individuals. Hardly high ethics is it now. Heaven forbid anyone have the courage and actually care enough to question such things.

    What have you all got to say (in condemnation I assume) of increasing number of women/men who are or have detransitioned? How real was their GID? How have thier lives been saved? I'm guessing nothing as it is an inconvenient little side issue which whips the carpet right out from under your medically faithful convictions. I wonder what we will make of all this in the future. People felt justified in mutilating the genitals of intersex infants & children until recently based on the fraudulent work of Dr John Money, whom I read has informed justification for srs too.

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  25. The main reason I can not buy into this idea that transition is to wipe out gay is simple: far too many MTF are into women, and far too many FTM are into men.

    That kinda throws a wrench into the idea that is propagated here.

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  26. The main reason why Trans like to co-opt Intersex people is because they are looking for something to justify themselves and throw at people. They tries to use Intersex people as a reason why they are like that. When in Reality, they are nothing like Intersex people. They really piss off Intersex people like me who often hear Trans try to use Intersex people's condition to justify and legitimize their trans. I have seen many trans try to pretend to be intersex, but in reality are Trans in deep denial. They pretend to have every intersex condition under the sun. They fake Intersex in order to get pass the Gatekeepers. They often make SOB stories to garner sympathy. What people don't know is that the vast majority of Intersex people are born sterile and can't even reproduce Naturally. Where as Trans are born, with the ability to reproduce.

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  27. Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what?

    SO, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT CULTURE CAN PLAY A ROLE IN ONE'S DECISION TO "TRANSITION". I WILL DELVE INTO THE "SO WHAT" LATER.

    THIS PERSON IS NOT THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS FINALLY ADMITTED THAT CULTURE MIGHT PLAY A ROLE IN ONE'S DECISION TO "TRANSITION". THIS GETS EVEN MORE INTERESTING AS WE FULLY EXPLORE THIS SUBJECT. FIRST, WE ARE TOLD THAT "GENDER DYSPHORIA", GID, OR GENDER IDENTITY IS MORE OR LESS SOMETHING THAT IS INNATE AND IMMUTABLE. THAT IS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ENTIRELY WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL. NOW, WHEN PRESSED, THEY ADMIT THAT CULTURE OR SOCIETAL PRESSURE CAN PLAY A ROLE IN ONE'S DECISION TO "TRANSITION".

    QUESTION: DON'T PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE A LETTER FROM A "GENDER THERAPIST", THERAPIST, OR PSYCHIATRIST BEFORE "TRANSITIONING" (PUBERTY SUPPRESSING DRUGS, CROSS GENDER HORMONES, SURGERY)?

    NOTICE TO THERAPISTS, PSYCHIATRISTS, OR PHYSICIANS:

    SOME MEMBERS OF THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY AND/OR THEIR ALLIES HAVE ADMITTED THAT CULTURE MIGHT PLAY A ROLE IN ONE'S DECISION TO "TRANSITION". THEREFORE, SHOULDN'T THIS BE LISTED OR DESCRIBED IN DETAIL IN THE CLIENT OR PATIENT'S CHART? ALSO, WOULDN'T IT BE PRUDENT AND ETHICAL TO LIST VARIOUS CULTURAL REASONS FOR "TRANSITIONING" IN THE LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FOR SURGERY OR HORMONES?

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  28. "Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what?"

    So what, indeed. Since the mutilation of female bodies in all its myriad of forms has at least a thousand year history, I'll restrict my comments to females.

    Female genital mutilation is definitely culturally based. Were clitoridectomies carried out in Europe and the U.S. based on sound science? Or, are these mostly cuturally based practices or trends which seemed right at the time, but eventually turned into a ghastly experiments and procedures people would rather forget?

    The WHO (World Health Organization) states, " female genital mutilation (FGM) comprises all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons."

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

    The practice of female genital mutilation is thousands of years old. The earliest extant literary reference to the procedure is from the Greek geographer Strabo (c. 64 BCE – c. 23 CE), who reported it after visiting Egypt around 25 BCE. There is an earlier reference on a sarcophagus in the Egyptian Museum dating to Egypt's Middle Kingdom, c. 2000–1700 BCE.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation. More than 130 million women worldwide have undergone female genital cutting (FGC). FGC occurs in parts of Africa and Asia, in societies with various cultures and religions.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582648/

    From a historical persepctive, it's important to note that female genital mutilation hasn't just happened in parts of Africa. I would classify clitoridectomy as female genital mutilation even if it's performed by physician. Gynaecologists in 19th-century Europe and the United States would remove the clitoris to treat insanity and masturbation. The first reported clitoridectomy in the West was carried out in 1822 by a surgeon in Berlin, a Dr. Graefe, on a teenage girl regarded as an "imbecile" who was masturbating. Isaac Baker Brown (1812–1873), an English gynaecologist who was president of the Medical Society of London in 1865, believed that the "unnatural irritation" of the clitoris caused epilepsy, hysteria and mania, and would "set to work to remove [it] whenever he had the opportunity of doing so," according to his obituary in the Medical Times and Gazette.

    According to an article in Reviews in Obstetrics and Gynecology 2008, as late as the 1960s, American obstetricians performed clitoridectomies to treat erotomania, lesbianism, hysteria, and clitoral enlargement.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582648/ (Cutner W. Female genital mutilation. Obstet Gynecol Surv. 1985;40:437–443).

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  29. Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what?

    "I would much rather see my daughter grow up to be a trans man and receive the respect that comes from being a man, rather than be steered into becoming a carpet muncher and someone who gets absolutely no respect in our society."

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/05/camps-influencing-our-impressionable.html


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  30. "Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what? "

    Which country has the highest sex change surgery?

    Answer:

    Thailand is #1 followed by Iran.

    Iran is #2 with most sex change operations funded by taxpayers money.

    Ayatollah Khomeini approved the operations for "diagnosed transsexuals" 25 years ago and today the Iranian government pays up to 50% of the cost for those who have problems paying for it. Apparently they find this making sense although homosexuality is shunned because if you have the operation you are not technically attracted to your own sex and therefore is not gay.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_country_has_the_highest_sex_change_surgery

    Is the erasing of gay or lesbian identity an ethical issue? I won't bore the reader with all the ways that society and various cultures have tried to cure or fix homosexuals. From forced institutionalization to shock treatments and clitordectomies for unrepentent lesbians, some methods have been both incredible mind numbing barbaric and often inventive in a sick, twisted, and ghoulish sort of way. People on this blog have repeatedly pointed out that there have been periods in history in which sex reassignment surgery has been used as a means of social control, specifically the erasing of gay and lesbian idenity. There are credible sources that say that gay men in Iran have been coerced into sex reassignment surgery. Transsexuals don't live pleasant lives in Iran, but it sure beats being executed for the crime of being homosexual.

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  31. "Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what?"

    Althought it's usually gay men who are coerced into sex reassignment surgery, I ran across a story about a lesbian in Iran.

    "I was fired the same day. When I left work, two men came out of a car and politely asked, ‘May we talk to you for a moment?’ ‘Sure,’ I said. They led me to the car, in which were sitting two more men. They blindfolded me, and I was driven in the car for 45 minutes. They took me to an old building, leading me by taking my sleeves (because they shouldn’t touch my body), then they took me to a room and took off the blindfold. I opened my eyes—now I could see the two men, who were aged 40 to 50.

    I must know who you are!’ I said. But instead of answering, they cursed me and spat in my face and said, ‘You’re a filthy, disgraced, shameless pagan.’ Through the door, I could hear men screaming who were under torture.

    “One of the men burned my legs with a cigarette. I screamed, and they cursed me. I spent four days in this prison in a dark room with a single bed and cockroaches. They took me to the bathroom only once a day and did not allow me to call my mother. During the four days they tried to ‘treat’ my ‘sickness’ with verses of the Koran. I was hopeless and in despair. I was only 19. After four days they forced me to confess: They dictated to me a statement saying I’d committed a blasphemy and wouldn’t do it anymore. I was so afraid, I signed it. Then I was released but remained under police supervision....

    “They took my file to the health branch of the University of Shahid Beheshti and assigned me to two women psychologists who ‘treated’ me for six months. They tried to convince me that I was falsely inculcating myself with the notion that my attraction is only to females. At the end of this ‘treatment,’ they offered to change my sexuality through surgery, and later ordered me to have it. ‘No,’ I said. ‘I’m Maryam, a girl, and I do not want to be a man!' The female doctor told me, ‘If you don’t change your sexuality and you continue unlawful acts, your future will be a death sentence.’

    http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2006/08/iran_a_lesbian_.html

    I can't vouch for the veracity of this article, but gay men and lesbians in Iran have been coerced into sex reassignment surgery. Who cares if gay men and lesbians have their genitals mutilated just so they outwardly pass as heterosexual? If a man passes as a woman and has been "cured", then he is allowed to have sex with a man because if he stays gay he knows that he could be executed. The same goes for females. They aren't allowed to be lesbians and to love women in a woman's body as a female.

    Who has more social status and privilege? Is it heterosexuals or gay men and lesbians? We know the answer. Even in western countries, homophobia exists. I believe it's safe to say that lesbians are on the bottom of the social pecking order because they are women who happen to love other women, so they deal with both sexism and lesbian phobia. When biological females "transition", they step up in social standing because they are recognized as men, at least outwardly if they pass well, and if they are attracted to women, they get to drop the lesbian, lez, or dyke label.

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  32. "Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what?

    The sterilization of children defininelty is an ethical issue of profound importance.

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  33. "Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what?

    Is the erasing of female identity itself a feminist issue? In a world in which 163 million girls are missing because women are so devalued that female fetuses are aborted, what does it mean to erase female idenity? Not only does FTM (female to male) "transitioning" radically alter healthy female breasts, genitals, and reproductive systems, it actually erases female identity. On this blog, I've argued that it's impossible to completely separte internalized misogyny from "gender dysphoria". If we lived in a world completly devoid of sexims and the constant, unrelenting devaluing of girls and women, I would be more willing to embrace FTM "transitioning".

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  34. Even IF the desire to transition comes partially from societal pressure or cultural mores, so what?

    I can't think of anything that so radically alters HEALTHY female breasts, gentials, and reproductive systems more thant FTM "transitioning". It has always frustrated me because the word "transitioning" is so good at cloaking the reality of what is actually happening to healthy female anatomy. It's as if they couldn't have found a more perfect word to hide what it actually entails. Doesn't "transitioning" sound so benign, and even progressive? I've repeatedly said it, and I'll keep saying it because I firmly believe that someone needs to say it. I SURE AS HECK HOPE PEOPLE ARE RIGHT ABOUT FTM (FEMALE TO MALE) "TRANSITIONING" BECAUSE IT DOES RESEMBLE FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION IF YOU ARE WRONG.

    I've posted this link several times, but people really need to watch the entire video. This is "top surgery" (Double mastectomy with nipple grafting). Will future historians view this as a peculiar form of female genital mutilation? Nipples and areoals are literally cut off, reshaped, then sewn back on after the mastectomy. Loss of sensation is possible, and every now and then the nipple graft doesn't take resulting in loss of the nipple. There are different "top surgery" procedures, but all of them usually involve the surgical whittling down of areolas and nipples.

    http://www.surgerytheater.com/video/6423/Dr.%20Daniel%20Medalie%20performs%20FtM%20top%20surgery%20(double%20incision%20mastectomy%20with%20nipple%20grafting)

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  35. Most people have no idea what "bottom surgery" on a biological female entails. In a phalloplasty on a biological female, six to eight inches of skin grafts have to be taken from the arm, thigh, or other part of the body. Of course, skin taken from the arm or thigh isn't erectile tissue. The only way it's ever going to be erect is with a pump or osteofasciocutaneous forearm or fibula flap.

    Risks/complications of metaidoioplasty and phalloplasty

    Possible complications specific to metaidoioplasty without urethral
    lengthening include:

    • dissatisfaction with the length of the penis (shorter than expected)
    • change in sensation: loss of sensation, persistent tenderness, or hypersensitivity
    • temporary or permanent narrowing of the vaginal opening, making
    penetration difficult
    • change in urine spray, resulting in splashing of the labia and vaginal skin

    Possible complications specific to urethral lengthening include:

    • urethral fistula: opening between the urethra and the skin, leading to leakage of urine (very common: occurs in around 45% of
    phalloplasties)
    • partial or total death of the tissue used to create the new urethra
    • narrowing or closure of the new urethra
    • hair growth in the urethra (from hair-bearing tissue used as urethral lining)

    Phalloplasty includes all the possible complications of urethral
    lengthening as well as possible:

    • partial or total death of the tissue used to create the new penis
    • numbness or hypersensitivity of the skin of the penis
    • decreased sexual sensation, possibly with decreased ability to have orgasm
    • compromised sensation and/or function of the hand and wrist of the donor arm (approximately 5% of patients need a long period of
    physiotherapy to recover fully)
    • dissatisfaction with the size or shape of the penis
    • excessive scarring in the donor sites (arm/thigh)

    [PDF]
    A guide for FTMs - Transgender Health Program - Vancouver ...

    transhealth.vch.ca/resources/library/tcpdocs/.../surgery-FTM.pdf

    "It is important to note that most phalloplasty procedures require multiple surgical visits as well as some revisions. The procedures can involve pain and discomfort, require significant recovery time, and often leave large areas of visible scarring. Because of the nature of using skin grafts, there is always a risk of tissue death and loss of part or all of the penis. Other potential complications include the extrusion of testicular or penile implants, the formation of a stricture (an abnormal narrowing; blockage) or fistula (an abnormal connection; leakage) in the newly constructed urethral passage, and infection. There may also be damage to the nerves of the donor area, resulting in numbness or loss of function. Erotic sensation may be changed or diminished. And the results may not be as aesthetically pleasing as one might like them to be. Also, one must consider the usual risks of any surgery, including bleeding, infection, problems from anesthesia, blood clots, or death (rare).

    Phalloplasty procedures also tend to be very expensive (between $50,000 to $150,000) and are often not covered by insurance."

    http://www.ftmguide.org/grs.html#phallo

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