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Saturday, February 9, 2013

Trans Trending-Who is Transitioning



BecomingAidenMichael Age 18

Alex Caster Age 16

Kalib Jay Age 18

Nolan Ryan G. Age 16

Damian Age 22

sirnatenatenate Age 14

BayskiC Age 18

lostboychronicles Age 20

Martin DeVito Age (Young)

Since this topic comes up quite often in comments, what are your opinions regarding the Trans Trending posts? For? Against? Right? Wrong?

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  1. I like the Trans Trending posts because they show me things I wouldn't otherwise see, now that I deleted my YouTube account 3 years ago and have NO PLANS of ever creating another one!!! If nothing else, it shows the utter stupidity of shrinks and doctors lending credibility to these girls' claims of having "always felt male." It's like, yeah right? You mean you were secretly a "little boy with pigtails" when you wore that pink tutu at 5 for dance class? Or when you sang the Mermaid song at 12 for your jr. high peers? Or when you went to the prom with that guy at 17, your hair all the way down to your waist? I also like to see how they always seem to over-accessorize with their ballcaps and "masculine" attire, and how they choose for themselves names that are way too modern and trendy for someone their age (i.e. Aiden, Caden, Braden), like as if they're naming a baby rather than the "man" they claim to be. I don't watch their videos because, like I said, I don't want to feel the urge to post "hateful" comments they'll just delete ASAP, but these Trans Trending posts are proof that not much has changed since I left YouTube in 2010.

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  2. It's important to document this stuff for well-meaning people who don't know what's going on yet...like me, before I discovered this blog and GenderTrender. If these videos aren't seen by people who don't belong to the youtube/tumblr trans community, how will people understand what's going on? Even though it may seem like preaching to the choir, there are enough people who don't get it yet, and they need to see this stuff. Anyone who's not a fanatic will immediately get how false this subculture is.

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  3. I would feel better about the trans trending posts if you made it clear how much responsibility you attribute to these people for their 'identification' as trans and for their subsequent decisions (injecting testosterone, surgery etc)due to that identification. Are they the victims of the 'Trans politic' (or partriarchy) as you put it, or complicit by their choice to identify as trans. What would you say to these young people if you could, what questions would you ask them? In short, I don't see a problem with linking publicly available videos, but my feelings are that the linking is best done as a sort of extended dialogue with those video's creators, a reply to their gesture of creating and publishing these videos in the first place.

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  4. I believe the trans trending posts are important for one simple reason. THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOUNG FEMALES AS YOUNG AS 14, 15, AND 16 YEARS OF AGE. WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUNG FEMALES MATTERS.

    Are they the victims of the 'Trans politic' (or patriarchy) as you put it, or complicit by their choice to identify as trans.

    Whether they admit it or not, the trans community is responsible for a great deal of actual promoting of things like breast binding and "transitioning" ("T", "top surgery" etc.) It should be so obvious to anyone. Where else would 14, 15, and 16 year old girls hear about breast binding, or where to get a binder, or when they can start "T"? Testosterone is simply referred to as "T", and this word is so commonly used in transgender blogs, websites, etc. that it's ubiquitous. It's "T" this, and "T" that, and I can't wait to start the "T". So, I would definitely say that teenage girls are victims of the current trans trend. I don't see how anyone can deny this. I have so much compassion and concern for these teenage girls, but the older trans females (biological females who "transition") frustrate me because they influence these 15 year old girls.

    Are they the victims of the 'Trans politic' (or patriarchy) as you put it, or complicit by their choice to identify as trans.

    In my opinion, they are more victims of trans politics which could not exist absent patriarchy. I think many people are slowly waking up to the idea that transgender fundamentally clashes with feminism at so many levels. If we look at this from a historical perspective, transgender seemed to really take off or take hold during the decline of second wave feminism. As second wave feminism declined or waned, FTM (female to male) "transitioning" increased. Isn't this what happened if we look at this on a macro level? I've repeatedly said that the very act of FTM (female to male) "transitioning" is a feminist issue because how could something that erases female identity not be considered a feminist issue? Moreover, if we are wrong about FTM "transitioning", it looks a lot like female genital mutilation to me. I can't think of anything that so radically alters healthy female breasts, genitals, and reproductive systems than FTM "transitioning".

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  5. The girl named Alex says to be trans you must wear a binder. She is straight forward about it, and says it flat out in a matter of fact voice. Listen to her video. The transgender community promotes binding, and there are even websites that give away free binders to females under the age of 21.

    "Also with passing, layering definitely helps. I wear 2 binders, a wifebeater, and usually 2 t shirts. And with weight loss, another reason to lose weight pre T is to lose weight in your chest area."

    "It would be cool to get my first "T" shot on my 17th birthday."

    Alex does look awful young. If the girl named Alex Caster is really 16, she should NOT be wearing a breast binder. Breast binding for long periods of time can mis-align ribs and cause other health problems. It's not like the trans community isn't aware of this. These are developing female bodies, and they don't need their skeletons and internal organs constricted. Dirt has had several posts on this issue.

    Younger girls learn breast binding from older female transgender.

    "In a Bind" is a project of TransActive's Community Education program.. We collect pre-owned chest binders from guys who don't need them anymore and donate them to trans-masculine youth in need.

    http://www.inabind.transactiveonline.org/index.php

    "Why does "In a Bind" focus on youth? Youth represent the most overlooked members of the trans community. They often don't have a voice or money of their own. If they don't have a supportive family and at least moderate financial means, it can be almost impossible for them to obtain a new binder on their own. "In a Bind" strives to create a feeling of "taking care of our own" within the trans adult community by giving them the opportunity to help these young people.

    All of our binders are sent to youth ages 21 and younger."

    http://www.inabind.transactiveonline.org/get.php

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  6. The loaning-out of binders is one of the most DISGUSTING things I've ever heard of!!! I mean, why would anyone wear something with the sweat odors and germs of a person who probably took testosterone and did lots of physical activity to lose weight? The mere thought of it makes me want to puke, and I cannot, for the life of me, understant why their moms/lesbian girlfriends don't burn them upon seeing them. Where are their moms if they're only 13-17?

    PS: sorry if my email is sending Dirt spam. It was compromised, but I changed my PW.

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  7. What would you say to these young people if you could, what questions would you ask them?

    That is a very good question. All I've repeatedly said is that females are beautiful just the way they are. It should be considered an honor to be called female. It's also possible to reject traditional sex roles and still be a girl. Also, women need to know their history. Each female is part of women's history in its entirety. I am part of all the women who have come before me. We must never forget this.

    The problem is these girls and all females can't be separated from the particular point in time in which they exist, or the time period in which they live. It's been said that there is a war going on against women. I see transgender as just one part of this ongoing war. Look at the horrific rapes in India. In a recent New York Times article, one woman says, "I lived for 24 years in New Delhi, a city where sexual harassment is as regular as mealtime. Every day, somewhere in the city, it crosses the line into rape." On Dec. 16, as the world now knows, a 23-year-old woman and a male friend were returning home after watching the movie “Life of Pi” at a mall in southwest Delhi. After they boarded what seemed to be a passenger bus, the six men inside gang-raped and tortured the woman so brutally that her intestines were destroyed. The bus service had been a ruse. The attackers also severely beat up the woman’s friend and threw them from the vehicle, leaving her to die. Or, notice that no one barely blinked an eye when the book "Unnatural Selection: Choosing Boys Over Girls, and the Consequences of a World Full of Men" tallied up the 163 missing girls from India and China. By, the way Hvistendahl never claimed to be a feminist, and she has no axe to grind. If you really don't believe this is going on, then I suggest reading Gail Dines "Pornland". This is my suggestion. Read "Pornland" and how it describes internet "gonzo porn". It's brutal beyond imagination. It's punishing and brutalizing female bodies. Indeed, in the words of Gail Dine, they are finding it difficult to come up with new ways, short of actually killing the woman, to entice new customers. After reading "Pornland", look at a video of FTM "top surgery".

    http://www.surgerytheater.com/video/6423/Dr.%20Daniel%20Medalie%20performs%20FtM%20top%20surgery%20(double%20incision%20mastectomy%20with%20nipple%20grafting

    Doesn't the violence against women just jump out at people. I can sense it.

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  8. It is easy to imagine the decision to identify as trans as a reaction against an acute awareness of the set of contradictory societal demands placed on a growing person by the imposition of gender roles upon their body, possible ways of relating and expression, career possibilities, etc. Hence the tragedy of the 'trans' meme spreading so rapidly and widely is that it impedes the potential of these young people to grow into an ownership of this awareness and to incorporate it into their views on society and politics as they become young adults . The implication of this is that we are losing potential leaders. We need strong, complicated, thoughtful HUMANS in the world, not performers of a circular 'identity'

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  9. The first thing that Nate, the 14 year old girl with hair down to her waist says is, "Hi, I'm Nate and I'm a guy."

    I find it hard to believe that she really knows who she is at age 14. I mean completely understand all her feelings, thoughts, and emotions. How many people really know who they are at age 14?

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  10. Give the Gift of Compression

    They crossed out the word "compassion" and replaced it with "compression".

    I can't believe it, but it really says "Compression" in red letters. Read it. I can't believe it. You can't make this sh** up. It's on the top of the web page. How cute and clever. Costochondritis (rib inflammation)is so funny and adorable.

    http://www.inabind.transactiveonline.org/give.php

    @iris

    The loaning-out of binders is one of the most DISGUSTING things I've ever heard of!!! I mean, why would anyone wear something with the sweat odors and germs of a person who probably took testosterone and did lots of physical activity to lose weight? The mere thought of it makes me want to puke, and I cannot, for the life of me, understant why their moms/lesbian girlfriends don't burn them upon seeing them. Where are their moms if they're only 13-17?

    Iris, when you think about it, it does sounds gross. I mean it says, "We collect pre-owned chest binders from guys who don't need them anymore and donate them to trans-masculine youth in need."

    They do say please wash the used binder first, "If you're donating a pre-used binder, please wash it first! Just throw it in with your regular laundry, cold wash, gentle cycle, hang dry."

    http://www.inabind.transactiveonline.org/give.php

    Despite this, it still seems a little gross to me. It's kind of like wearing used underwear. They said they washed it, but how can you really tell? It says wash in cold water. Cold water isn't that good for killing germs. Sweat stained used binders...the perfect gift that keeps on giving...

    A used binder is kind of like a used bra. I imagine a person would sweat in a binder. The difference is even a used bra can't potentially mis-align ribs or cause other health problems.

    The poor "youth in need" are in need of a deformed rib cage...

    I posted this before, but it's worth reviewing:

    "Are you thinking to yourself, “I know all about chest binding dangers, that’s why I’m using a specifically designed chest binder from FTM underworks…. I’m safe!”

    You’re wrong!

    Most people seem to know that binding with tapes and bandages can be dangerous, but few people realize that the same risks apply to chest binders.

    And the damages do occur: bruised ribs, deformed ribs, broken ribs, lung collapse,….

    Here’s the story from a guy who’d been wearing ONLY Underworks binders for 6 years:

    *He developed costochondritis (rib inflammation)
    *His ribs are deformed and compressed into his lungs
    *Some of his muscles have shifted position…"

    http://theartoftransition.net/chest-binding-dangers-ftm-transition/

    I know it says, "his ribs are deformed", but these are female breasts which are being bound and constricted, putting pressure on the rib cage.

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  11. 1. All trans people have been told by *someone* (the media, a partner, a family member, a "friend", the world) that they need to just accept who they are. The problem is that even at an early age, kids can smell a selfish agenda from a mile away. You sound like you care about these kids' ribs, and I do too, but there is a metric shit-ton of pre-existing transphobia informing the alarmism and paranoia. No, you are not exempt. Ask yourself what your real agenda is. If these kids grow up happy and healthy *post* transition, then you are presumably the one who has lost something: another gender-nonconforming female in the world to fight alongside with you. That's your need, not the need of that individual.

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  12. This is a good point. Is it idealistic to think that trans people and (even radical) feminists could possibly increase their dialogue in the future? Is it idealistic to assert that the people who believe in freedom* should discuss their differences, since it is they that believe in dialogue and not coercion?

    *for lack of a better word

    Can we agree that:
    1. Nobody wants young people to hurt themselves
    2. Nobody wants young people to be socially coerced by peer pressure into choosing options that will have drastic effects on their bodies
    3.Nobody wants young people to be railroaded into walking paths designed by adults in positions of power

    ?

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  13. "1. Nobody wants young people to hurt themselves
    2. Nobody wants young people to be socially coerced by peer pressure into choosing options that will have drastic effects on their bodies
    3.Nobody wants young people to be railroaded into walking paths designed by adults in positions of power"

    I can absolutely agree with all three of those. I think it is completely necessary to have dialogue between radical feminists and trans people on a large scale. I have trouble, though, believing a discourse can occur when each side believes the others' stance to be a coercive maneuver. I don't know *any* trans person who would get away with trying to convince someone else to transition. That's incredibly taboo in my community, but I wouldn't put it past teenagers. Because they are still teenagers and they *all* try to shape each other. I also cringe at the posturing of the boys on YouTube, perhaps because I am called upon to answer for their silliness. Why? Because I am trans also. I am as different from some 14 year old, tough-talking, muscle-flexing, sideways-baseball hat-wearing trans mutherfucker as I could possibly be, but it still pains me to hear Dirt and her friends criticize these kids and base their opinion of all transmen on *that*. It pains me to see that these kids are not allowed by these women a *process* of learning or growing as people just because they are trans. It's judge, jury and execution all at once. I have a hard time trusting some lesbian feminists talking about trans stuff because I believe there is some emotional aspect of grief or rage or loss that's underlies the political agenda. Who *wants* to see their community change in ways they never expected? I understand that there are emotions, but I believe one must come to terms with those before one can be of use in a dialogue. Simply put-you have to deal with your shit. With such a deep bed of distrust, bringing vulnerability and humility to the table seems daunting. Trans is more and more accepted, and no young kid who learns that it's okay to be trans is gonna be harassed into changing their mind by a bunch of women who have an obvious agenda outside of *love* for that kid. And I believe this forum reeks of hate and not love. Can we start talking about what works instead of what should work if everyone else would just stop being so stupid and started thinking the way we do?

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  14. Ashaka,
    For what it's worth, I'm familiar with the history of medical transitioning. The original documentation (like Dr.'s notes) are in German and are not online nor have been translated into English (to my knowledge). The concept has really only been around for about 100 years, and is clearly documented. In a nutshell, we can say it came about largely thru the medical community attempting to accomidate gay men in their desire for "normalization".
    Yes, nobody wants anthing bad to happen to anyone. I would say there are 2 things all trans have in common: 1) they are labile + 2)They have other problems as well. The final straw which causes someone to go ahead and "transition" could be anything, and that's why it's really a question of individual therapy, and not something we can solve here. I simply don't buy it that anyone is "born in the wrong body", has a brain from the opposite sex, etc. and no 14-year-old will convince me. I also don't believe we can convince the 14-year-olds, which is why I predict it will take about a generation before this dwindles down, when the next generation sees how today's FtM's end up looking/living and decide they don't want to be that.
    I also just would point out, as somebody who works almost exclusively with men (pretty much immersed in testosterone all day)that these young girls are actually "teaching" each other their interpretations of male behavior online, in their attempts to mimmick male behavior, and it's pretty far from the reality.
    Germany

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  15. Right now transtrenders are not real transsexuals ok they are doing it cause they think its cool and to get attention and there the ones who end up regretting it tough shit for them!

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  16. *wife*

    (she's not that wide!)

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  17. "I don't know *any* trans person who would get away with trying to convince someone else to transition."

    IS THIS SOME KIND OF JOKE? WELL, I HAVE TO PRAISE THIS PERSON FOR HIS OR HER AUDACITY. THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROMOTING "TRANSITIONING". WHERE THE HECK DOES ALL THE "T" TALK AMONG THE 16 AND 17 YEAR OLD GIRLS COME FROM? NOT ONLY IS IT DONE ON BLOGS, WEBSITES, ETC. ONE FTM DOCTOR WAS CHARGED. IF ONE TRANSGENDER DOCTOR WAS CHARGED, DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE THAT OTHERS COULD STILL BE DOING THE SAME THING? THEN, THERE ARE THE PLASTIC SURGEONS WHO ADVERTISE. HELL YES, "TRANSITIONING" IS BEING PROMOTED. I WON'T EVEN GO INTO "ONLINE GENDER THERAPY".

    "A woman who alleges that she was inappropriately prescribed sex-changing hormones and then wrongly underwent a double mastectomy is one of several complaints being investigated by the General Medical Council about the doctor who oversaw her aborted gender reassignment, the Guardian has learned.

    The GMC, the doctors' professional regulator, has received at least three separate complaints against Dr Richard Curtis, a London GP who specialises in the treatment of gender dysphoria, particularly transsexualism. The complaints concern the alleged inappropriate administering of sex-changing hormones to patients and at least one allegedly unsuitable referral for gender reassignment surgery.

    It is claimed that Curtis, who provides private treatment to patients seeking gender reassignment, failed to follow accepted standards of care and breached conditions placed on his practice by the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service (MPTS), the GMC's arm's-length disciplinary body."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/06/transexualism-gender-reassignment-richard-curtis

    "Dr Richard Curtis, who was born Vanda Zadorozny, but had a sex change in 2005, is being investigated by the General Medical Council, after at least three separate complaints. "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9784545/Dr-Richard-Curtis-transsexual-doctor-faces-investigation.html

    "I don't know *any* trans person who would get away with trying to convince someone else to transition."

    The sky is green. Bears don't poop in the woods. Elvis is really alive. Obama was born in Africa. And, O.J. was always innocent.

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  18. This is a good point. Is it idealistic to think that trans people and (even radical) feminists could possibly increase their dialogue in the future?

    *for lack of a better word

    Can we agree that:
    1. Nobody wants young people to hurt themselves
    2. Nobody wants young people to be socially coerced by peer pressure into choosing options that will have drastic effects on their bodies
    3.Nobody wants young people to be railroaded into walking paths designed by adults in positions of power

    I agree.

    If the trans community stops telling us to die in a fire, and stops joking about bashing lesbians in the head with a baseball bat, I guess dialogue is possible.

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2011/12/so-much-fear-and-hatred-from-this-trans.html

    ".....You are such a weak little old hag of a bitch. Get raped by a bunch of niggers you old crow."

    "You made this story up you fucking ugly OVER-THE-HILL sagging tits, fat ass ugly repulsive CUNT. You're just jealous that you're OLD AS HELL and can NEVER EVER transition successfully the way us young dudes do! We are the men you can never, ever be. Medical science, nanotechnology and genetic engineering is advancing in ways your tiny female, estrogen-dominant gossipy female brain can NEVER imagine. CUNT. And being 25 I will reap the benefits and you will just be a corpse. You're not even masculine, this shit you're doing here is totally female...gossipy manipulative psychological warfare. Why don't you take your fat, over-sized, child-bearing hips sagging cottage cheese ass back in the kitchen and cook your disgusting wrinkled, obese crew-cut trainwreck you call a "girlfriend" another Swanson dinner you useless OLD HAG. KNOW YOUR PLACE and stop treading on us. Stupid useless cunt. No wonder there is so much misogyny...it's because of bitches like you. Suck a fat one and get AIDS".

    SOURCE:

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2011/12/so-much-fear-and-hatred-from-this-trans.html

    "What I see here are typical asshole feminist bitches who know nothing about FTMs, what they go through mentally, physically and emotionally with their bodies and sense of self. ...ugly ass cow. bitch, bitch....BITCH...fuggly ass dyke. Fuck off you bulldagging bitch."

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/08/ftm-where-self-hating-women-and-hatred.html

    “Pimp slap is not enough here: a nice home run swing to the head with a 38-oz Louisville Slugger is more in order. There’s no brains in her head to destroy to start with. It’s personal, and if I ever saw her in my windshield, I’ll be wiping blood off my white Buick. But I won’t be using the brakes.”.
    http://gendertrender.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/monica-violence-1.jpg

    "I hope you die in a fire."

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/05/another-frightening-article-on.html

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  19. You sound like you care about these kids' ribs, and I do too, but there is a metric shit-ton of pre-existing transphobia informing the alarmism and paranoia. No, you are not exempt.

    No one is exempt from transphobia.

    Yet, thousands of years of misogyny in one form or another never did exist, and does not exist. Cross this out, delete, ignore...

    First of all, the transgender community does not have a patent on gender non-conformity. I know they might think they do, but it's an inaccurate assumption. Some people throughout history have always rebelled against traditional sex roles in one way or another. Twenty years ago, most of these girls were just called "tomboys". Unlike today, these tomboys weren't talking about "T" (testosterone) at age 16. Second, there is no actual way to quantify "gender dysphoria" other than by subjectivity.

    The mutilation of female bodies only has a thousand plus year history. There is FAR, FAR MORE than "a metric shit-ton', as this individual states, of sexism and misogyny. It's so pervasive that in most cultures it's taken for granted. From Chinese foot binding to FGM, it never seems to end. It might take on a new form, but it seems to be a constant throughout history. Indeed, all we have to do is look at female infanticide and the 163 million missing girls from India and China. Females are so devalued that over a million female fetuses have been aborted. Female genital mutilation is at least a thousand years old. While it's officially banned in many countries, it still occurs. Whether some want to admit it or not, the girls in the videos ARE STILL FEMALES. Do people understand this? These are females born from the womb of a woman. I've repeatedly said that it might be possible that some of these girls are really "gender dysphoric" and might benefit from "transitioning" later on, but I question about 90% of what I see. I argue the following:

    (1.) As to FTM (female to male) it's impossible to clearly distinguish between internalized misogyny and "gender dysphoria". In a society that constantly devalues girls and women and tells them that they are inferior from the time they are born, how can girls possibly escape these messages? In all honesty, I can understand why a girl would want to be a boy. Are these girls trying to escape a sexist culture that constantly tells them that females are inferior, or are they really "gender dysphoric". Are they running away from the reality of being female and how society views women, or really a "boy trapped in a girl's body" seeking to "transition" How can we tell exactly what is going on in their minds? In my opinion, it's the height of arrogance and hubris to prattle on about "transphobia" yet conveniently ignore thousands of years of misogyny.

    (2.) It's impossible to distinguish between culture (everything that these girls hear on blogs, websites, from friends, etc. about "T", breast binding, "top surgery", "transitioning") and "gender identity disorder". When I see these videos of the 16 and 17 year old girls, I wonder how much of this is coming from blogs, friends, etc. and how much is actual "gender dyshphoria". After all, on this very blog, a couple of transgender individuals have finally admitted two things: (a.) It's possible to regret transitioning, and (b.) Culture, peer pressure might influence one's decision to "transition".

    (3.) I believe that the erasing of female identity has ethical implications.

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  20. This is a good point. Is it idealistic to think that trans people and (even radical) feminists could possibly increase their dialogue in the future? Is it idealistic to assert that the people who believe in freedom* should discuss their differences, since it is they that believe in dialogue and not coercion?

    THE MUTILATION OF HEALTHY FEMALE BREASTS AND GENITALS IS NOT A "RADICAL FEMINIST" ISSUE. IT IS A FEMINIST ISSUE. Moreover, there is nothing radical about it. There is nothing the least bit "radical" about the thousand year old history of female genital mutilation.

    Nothing radical at all...

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  21. "It pains me to see that these kids are not allowed by these women a *process* of learning or growing as people just because they are trans. It's judge, jury and execution all at once."

    THESE ARE CHILDREN WHO HAPPEN TO BE FEMALE. I want them to grow as human beings, and because they are female, I want them to learn that girls and women can do anything. It amazes me that people can't even acknowledge this. This individual says, "these women" referring to us and the "kids" simply as "kids" who, apparently, have no sex. The kids are female children. How did we get to this point in which females just disappear? They aren't girls because they are trans. The way that the transgender community essentially erases the female form/identity altogther is mind boggling to me. I can't even find words to properly describe it. The drastic and permanent alteration of female anatomy is just "transitioning".

    Also, transgender, in reality, is probably one of the most regressive things around in that it is wrapped in a thin veneer of 'cool and trendy' while at the same time propping up traditional sex roles. For example, if these girls and young women reject traditional sex roles, this must mean that they really aren't girls after all. If they like "guy things", this is proof that they aren't a girl and must be trans. Contrary to what some believe, transgender does not own the patent on all gender non-conformity both past and present.

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  22. All I want to say at this point is that there might be a problem with the idea of 'sexuality' as a social category, particularly when coupled with the idiotic 'born this way' trope. Its so obvious I find it hard to put it into words. We have this idea of turning our most private, intimate feelings about ourselves into one of three labels: straight, lesbian/gay, or bisexual. Now of course in western society and presumably all others the first label is the least suspect, the most normalised- it is the default. A young girl who experiences an attraction to other girls finds herself an unwilling member of the 2nd category, which is associated with strangeness, transgression and social dissonance, relative to the majority norm of straight. But SHE doesn't feel herself to be strange, or opposed to society, despite her attractions: she still feels like her 'normal' self, continuous with the same self that recieved and believed the heterosexual norms of her society, (romantic love, marriage etc) as a young child. She feels normal, and is attracted to girls. Both of these facts are subjectively true to her. In order to place them in accord with the social categories of straight, lesbian/gay and bi, she can either accept the 'queer'ness associated with being lesbian in society , or, as now is possible, she can reject it, and identify and act as (and 'become') a straight male.

    I'm not saying that she shouldn't be able to act male, or straight, if she chooses to. However, the process described above details a young person's *lack* of choice, in the face of the totalising category of sexuality, that is propagated so uncritically by adults and other young people in the media and society. I would like to see us as adults clearing the public space of some of the more blatant, pithy and blithe references to sex and sexuality, which are after all intensely PRIVATE experiences and ways of relating. Ideally, then, a young person who experiences attractions that she finds new or surprising would feel that she had the right to the space and time to slowly gestate her feelings inside herself, and to try and find out WHAT THEY MEAN TO HER, rather than viewing the burgeoning of her private internality, as a message that she has to hastily choose a public social persona to perform.

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  23. All I want to say at this point is that there might be a problem with the idea of 'sexuality' as a social category, particularly when coupled with the idiotic 'born this way' trope. Its so obvious I find it hard to put it into words. We have this idea of turning our most private, intimate feelings about ourselves into one of three labels: straight, lesbian/gay, or bisexual.

    First of all, I could care less if these girls are straight, bisexual, or lesbian. I do care, however, if they mutilate their female bodies. There is another thing I'm struggling to understand. Sexual orientation is a "social category", but gender identity is not a social category. Gender identity is never socially constructed. This is nonsense and we know it.

    I'm not saying that she shouldn't be able to act male, or straight, if she chooses to. However, the process described above details a young person's *lack* of choice, in the face of the totalising category of sexuality, that is propagated so uncritically by adults and other young people in the media and society. I would like to see us as adults clearing the public space of some of the more blatant, pithy and blithe references to sex and sexuality, which are after all intensely PRIVATE experiences and ways of relating. Ideally, then, a young person who experiences attractions that she finds new or surprising would feel that she had the right to the space and time to slowly gestate her feelings inside herself, and to try and find out WHAT THEY MEAN TO HER, rather than viewing the burgeoning of her private internality, as a message that she has to hastily choose a public social persona to perform.

    I would like to see us as adults clearing the public space of some of the more blatant, pithy and blithe references to sex and sexuality, which are after all intensely PRIVATE experiences and ways of relating.

    BIOLOGICAL SEX AND SEXUALITY ARE OF NO SOCIAL SIGNIFICANCE. IS THIS WHAT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS SAYING? WE KNOW THIS IS A CROCK OF SH**.

    (1.) THE IDEA THAT SEXISM NEVER EXISTED IS PATENTLY FALSE AND SO ABSURD AS TO BE LAUGHABLE.

    (2.) HOMOPHOBIA AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST LESBIANS IS A HISTORICAL FACT. In some countries lesbians are raped as a means of curing their desire for other women. The pressure placed on young women to be heterosexual is immense, and often suffocating. So, to say that sexuality has no social significance is false. It would be wonderful if it didn't, but it does.

    I'm not saying that she shouldn't be able to act male, or straight, if she chooses to.

    QUESTION: HOW DOES ONE "ACT MALE", ESPECIALLY IF THIS PERSON WAS BORN FEMALE? HOW DOES A FEMALE "ACT MALE"? I would appreciate specifics as to behavior?

    ALSO, HOW DOES SHE ACT "STRAIGHT"? DOESN'T THIS PERSON MEAN PERCEIVED AS STRAIGHT WHICH, WHETHER THEY ADMIT IT OR NOT, IS OFTEN A STEP UP IN SOCIAL STATUS.

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  24. "They aren't girls because they are trans."

    Yes, that's right."


    I hate to break the news to this person, BUT FEMALES EXIST. If females didn't exist, how did this person come into being?

    Girls are young females. Calling girls (young females) "trans" doesn't change the fact that FEMALES EXIST.

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  25. Okay, stop yelling. I know females exist. I'm married to one. Much of gender is socialised, not all of it. There are hormonal differences which affect our bodies, our behavior, the way we process our emotions. This is how we relate to the world and how the world relates to us. We don't relate with our chromosomes. Asserting that someone who is recognized as male, gets male privilege, and experiences male hormones is female just isn't accurate, descriptive or useful . I'm not sure how you are getting "females don't exist" from what I've said. You could call those kids anything you wanted and it would have no relevance to their lives. Stop assuming you know everything and maybe you won't drive yourself so crazy.

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  26. ALSO, HOW DOES SHE ACT "STRAIGHT"? DOESN'T THIS PERSON MEAN PERCEIVED AS STRAIGHT WHICH, WHETHER THEY ADMIT IT OR NOT, IS OFTEN A STEP UP IN SOCIAL STATUS.

    Yes, thats basically what I mean. You could substitute 'percieved as male' in the same sentence as well, which is a point that I have seen made here and elsewhere.


    "So, to say that sexuality has no social significance is false. It would be wonderful if it didn't, but it does."

    I agree but I also believe (or hope!) that in time we can change exactly what that significance is. The point I was trying to make was that it might be an awareness of that significance that motivates some girls to identify as trans. My suggestion was to try and lighten the load of that awareness for young people, but another possibility is to help them be strong enough to bear it.

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  27. Can you take the link to my video down. I find it offensive that you are pointing fingers and calling people trans trenders when you don't know them or their life. I'm Nolan btw. Calling someone a transtrender is a form of name calling and bullying, and given the fact that you are an adult and I'm a minor, I'm sure I could take legal action against this. But I want to ask you to take it down first. If this is a problem with you, email me @ nolanryangalluzzo@yahoo.com .

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  28. Anon@5:53pm Use your YT options.

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