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Thursday, January 24, 2013

Violence Against Women Act REAUTHORED to Include Transwomen

The Violence Against Women Act  was enacted in 1994 to provide monies "toward investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women." Congress renewed the VAWA in both 2000 and 2005, but the act failed to be renewed just this month when gay MEN and lesbians along with "American Indians living in reservations, and illegal immigrants" were added to the protections of VAWA. Nancy Pelosi is currently seeking to reauthorize the bill by including along with gay/lesbian/native Indians and immigrants, "transwomen"!!! Remember ENDA?????

Clearly the addition of gay/lesbian/native Indians and immigrants to the bills protections harmed the its 2012 renewal. The attempted addition of gay men to a bill designed to protect women only goes to illustrate the left's deceptive homophobia. Obviously gay men are STILL viewed, even by Democrats and those claiming to be "gay positive" as nothing more than women in men's skin. Which is precisely why male transitioners (transwomen) are being added to the potential re-introduction of this bill.

The Gender Straight Jacket is alive and strangling the common sense out of the liberals among us. Accept unlike conservatives who are forthright in their misogynistic ignorance, liberals maintain and promote misogyny/homophobia under the guise of progress. But there is nothing new or progressive in thinking/treating men who occupy male space differently as female. A biological male is a biological male is a biological male, period! Male privileges inherently gives all males vantage points that no woman has throughout history obtained or can obtain today. Regardless if those males are gay or mentally troubled by the socially acquired disorder, autogynephilia/transgenderism.

Adding male transitioners to this potential re-introduction of the VAWA will not only sink this bill like the fucking Lusitania,  their addition, like that of gay men is completely unnecessary and in and of itself VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN!

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  1. Your transphobia runs deep. Why should a woman be given legal protections against violence, but not a TRANS woman? Violence is violence is violence!

    We are going to make sure that trans women are included in VAWA, so that if it sinks because of transphobia, then it sinks for ALL women, including those like you who constantly spew transphobia! So go suck on that!

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  2. Why shouldn't trans be included? Because it's the Violence Against WOMEN Act. M2Ts aren't women. They're men. Most are white heterosexual men no less. Who by virtue of their sex and color alone, lord over 93% of the population (51% women, 30% children, 12% poc). The idea that these men are oppressed is ludicrous. It's akin to the master claiming he is oppressed if the slaves show any resistance to his aggression and don't obey him without question.

    Sexist, racist, anti-female and homophobic, transgenderism is basically white het male supremacy in a skirt. Tokens are the sheets they throw over their heads to disguise what they are. Which is why transgenderism is gaining so rapidly and garnishing so much support while war is being waged on women. We live in white het male supremacist countries.

    If trans are included in VAWA, it will become all about males in drag. Just like Women Studies became Gender Studies and became all about males in drag. Which would be the whole point of it. Women got out of the box during the 60's and 70's and men are pulling out all stops to stuff women back in. Mentally these boys never left the plantation and still feel entitled to slaves. Masters have always felt entitled to enter the slaves' quarters and have sexual access to the slaves.

    A word to the wise. Once the white boys succeed in stuffing women back into the box, they will move up to ladder to gay men and people of color and pull the same thing. They always test things out on women first.

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  3. God forbid any other marginalized/abused group should receive statutory protection or recognition. That would be soooo terrible, wouldn't it?

    And @ 12:57 AM

    There's no such thing as an 'm2t'. You mean a trans woman. Who are women. Walks like a woman, talks like a woman, looks like a woman, identifies as a woman, lives as a woman - then she's a woman.

    Most are white heterosexual men no less.

    Bullshit. Trans women of colour also exist, you ass. Try telling CeCe McDonald she's a white male. Try telling any POC trans woman that.

    Sexist, racist, anti-female and homophobic, transgenderism is basically white het male supremacy in a skirt.

    Are you for real? I can't believe I'm reading such bullshit as this in the 21st century. The reasons there are more trans people around is because the condition has become better understood in recent years, and the internet has made it easier for people to communicate, whereas in the past, a trans person might be very isolated and not even realise they weren't the only one like themselves. Just as gay people have received more recognition and acceptance, so trans people have begun to do so. But of course there are always bigots like you around to repeat hateful nonsense.

    How can someone that embraces femaleness be anti-female? You need to stop reading radfem propaganda.

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  4. @ 10:00 PM

    Sinking it for all women would not be a good thing, IMO, because then no one benefits. Don't play into the radfem lobby's hands by separating the needs of non-trans women from trans women, it just gives them ammunition to say that trans women don't deserve protection because they only care for themselves and not all women.

    Transphobia still sucks, though :(

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  5. "There's no such thing as an 'm2t'. You mean a trans woman. Who are women. Walks like a woman, talks like a woman, looks like a woman, identifies as a woman, lives as a woman - then she's a woman."
    What does it mean to do these things 'like a woman?' This is the crux of the problem. Many people, myself included, think that hinging one's identity on 'gendered' behavior is ludicrous.

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  6. It's a joke for MtF to puff themselves all up, threatening to sink anything for all women. You don't belong in our spaces. Mimmicking some cliche stereotype of barbie-doll behavior does not make you a woman. Nobody wants anything bad to happen to you, and yes, you are marginalized (by choice!) and just form your own groups if you're not already protected under mental health issues. By the way, it highly amuses me to think of myself as a "non trans woman".
    Germany

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  7. "and the internet has made it easier for people to communicate,"

    Except for all the "non-trans women" (sic) who have valid criticisms of trans activism - notice how we are always told to gtfo YOUR internetz??

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  8. Dirt, if you want to make the world better for women stop dividing us. As a trans woman I just want to be able to live my life. I am not taking anything away from other women. Use your time to fight what actually matters.

    We should be allies not enemies.

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  9. @ 5:39

    "Radfem propaganda"? Lol! You mean the statement that 'female' is more than just a feeling, right? And the statement that gender and sex are different things? That a male can't become a female? Actually, that's called 'common sense'.

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  10. Females matter, Sophia Banks.

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  11. @ 12:19 PM

    The vast majority of trans women look just like any other average everyday woman you meet. Some are butch, even. so less of the barbie doll crap, please.

    And no, trans women are not marginalised by choice, they are marginalised by people like you, who refuse to let them live in peace, who call them freaks and trannies and shemales and chicks with dicks and traps and all the other names that are spat at them every day. You're happy to call them those things, but you haven't the guts or decency or compassion to call them sister or friend or ally.

    When you're trampling someone in the dirt, do you expect them to thank you?

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  12. I'm against violence against everyone. For you to try and separate yourselves from transwomen to prove that you are MORE vulnerable is testament to your complete scarcity-mentality. You'll be hurt if other people are protected from being hurt? Pathetic. No wonder everyone thinks you are a bunch of assholes.

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  13. QUESTION: DOES GABBIE REALLY NEED PROTECTION? - LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!

    Does 6'8 180 lbs. transwoman Gabbie Ludwig (father and ex-military male) look like he, rather she, needs to be protected?

    http://www.news10.net/sports/article/219854/3/PHOTOS-66-transsexual-basketball-player-makes-college-debut

    (18 photos)

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/15/50-year-old-transgender-basketball-player-joins-jr-college-womens-team-is-this-fair/

    Copy and paste the links, and scroll on down. See how he towers over the women. Let's be honest with ourselves. Does it appear as if Gabbie Ludwig (formerly Robert, Desert Storm military man) is a dainty, petite little woman in need of protection? To me, it looks as if the female players he is standing next to are the ones in need of protection. Gabbie might be a sweet gentle person, but it does appear that he is far better equipped to defend himself than a biological female who is smaller than he is. The most frustrating thing about transgender is that we are forced to throw common sense out the window.

    Does Gabbie (Robert) really need protection under the VAWA? Other than the time in which he served in the military as a male, has he ever experienced or witnessed violence? Has he ever experienced violence similar to what female victims of domestic violence experience? Has he ever had to flee for his life to a battered women's shelter? Has he ever been raped or sexually assaulted? Isn't it ludicrous for people to assume that this former military male who spent the majority of his life as a man knows how female victims of violence feel. In my opinion, it's insulting to women to imply that transgender males who have lived as men for most of their lives know the pain that female victims or rape, sexual assault, or domestic violence feel on a gut wrenching, personal basis.

    Because of their sex, anatomy, and reproductive system, females are more vulnerable than males in many respects. The fact that the transgender community deliberately ignores this reality is one indication of how much they respect the female sex.

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  14. "Your transphobia runs deep. Why should a woman be given legal protections against violence, but not a TRANS woman? Violence is violence is violence!"

    First of all, violence against any human is never acceptable, but there are already laws in place to protect males, females, and trans individuals. It's against the law to physically harm anyone, and that would include transgender people.

    (1.) Transwomen (biological males who transition) aren't female. This is an obvious biological fact that is convenient to ignore. No, they aren't female simply because they say so.

    (2.) Females are usually shorter than males, and have less muscle mass. Sex reassignment surgery can't erase all male characteristics, especially when males transition after living as males for the majority of their adult lives.

    (3.) Isn't it true that according to virtually all crime statistics, most violent crimes are committed by males? I'm not saying that all males are violent, or that transwomen (biological males who transition) are violent. However, transwomen are still genetic males, and many have a strength and size difference over females. Does "transitioning" magically make biological males less aggressive? This is a very interesting question.

    QUESTION: SHOULD FEMALES BE CONCERNED WHEN, OR IF SHERRI MUSBRUCH (RICHARD) GETS OUT OF PRISON? OR, HOW ABOUT LIVING NEXT TO SANDY JO BATTISTA OR MICHELLE KOSILEK?

    ISN'T IT BAD ENOUGH THAT TAX PAYERS ARE EXPECTED TO PAY FOR THEIR HORMONES WHILE THEY ARE IN PRISON. WHEN THEY GET OUT OF PRISON, THEY ARE POOR WOMEN IN NEED OF RECOGNITION UNDER THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT. THE FACT THAT TRANSGENDER MALES HAVE COMMITTED HORRENDOUS ACTS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST FEMALES IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE.

    "Defendant then blindfolded the women. Mary noticed that "[i]t was quiet for awhile." Defendant then turned Mary on her side. "[I]t felt like he had taken a butcher knife and started at [her] knee and just ran it as slow as he could all the way down to [her] ankle. [She] was screaming, because it was ... the most excruciating pain you could think of. It was like to the bone. [She] kept waiting to feel the fluid of the blood coming out and [she] didn't feel it and [she] didn't know what he'd done." Defendant had apparently spliced several electrical cords together and shocked Mary with this makeshift instrument. Defendant also shocked Marietta's right arm. After he finished, defendant said, "That's a warning to show you what I can do to you."

    Defendant "unhogtied" Mary and went through her pockets for money. He then unzipped her pants. Mary said, "You're not going to rape me?" [13 Cal. 4th 1005] Defendant said, "Shut up," (and he then raped her.)"

    http://law.justia.com/cases/california/cal4th/13/1001.html

    Richard (Sherri) definitely had his penis when he committed this barbaric crime. He was sent to a women's prison because he mutilated his own penis while in prison, and had to have it removed. Richard is now Sherri.

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  15. THEY WANT US TO PAY FOR THEIR HORMONES. SRS WHILE IN PRISON, NOW THEY EXPECT PROTECTION UNDER VAWA WHEN THEY GET OUT. ISN'T THIS TOTALLY **CKED UP!

    "In February 1983, Sandy Jo Battista (born David Megarry) was convicted and sentenced to 12 to 20years for the rape of a child under 16, unarmed robbery and kidnapping. Battista was temporarily committed in December 2001, then civilly committed to the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons in May 2003 for one day to life as a sexually dangerous person. But Battista is more than a child rapist; he claims to have gender identity disorder, and wants taxpayers to pay for hormone treatment and be provided with female garb and accessories. The prison refused, noting that a female appearance, such as the breasts that would grow upon hormone treatment, would endanger Battista's safety in prison, and would create problems under the Prison Rape Elimination Act. Because Battista breaks prison rules regularly, he could not be put in a different facility. But a BigLaw firm, McDermott Will, represented him pro bono, and won an injunction requiring the treatment on the grounds that it rose to a constitutional violation for him not to get his requested treatment, including women's attire.

    The First Circuit, in a panel including former Justice Souter, has affirmed. Yes, choice of clothing for prisoners and the ability to grow breasts now rises to constitutional significance."

    http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/008472.php

    A federal judge said Wednesday that he will award more than $700,000 in legal fees to the team of lawyers who represented ­Michelle Kosilek, the convicted murderer who sued the state for a sex change operation to treat her gender identity disorder.

    US District Chief Judge Mark L. Wolf said from the bench in US District Court in Boston that he recognized the cost to taxpayers, but said the amount comes from a hard-fought lawsuit to preserve Kosilek’s constitutional rights.

    He noted that, while the state Department of Correction is appeal­ing his decision to order the surgery, Kosilek’s legal team has offered to dismiss the request for legal fees if the state drops the appeal and pays for the surgery, which is estimated to cost as much as $50,000.

    “Resistance at all costs can end up costing the taxpayers quite a lot,” the judge said, adding that the Department of Correction has had to pay hundreds of thousands in legal fees in other cases in which the department violated prisoners’ constitutional rights."

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/12/19/kosilek/4J0TDzj0U5SfJvEPU97J4I/story.html

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  16. Femicide

    *In Guatemala, two women are murdered, on average, each day.

    *In India, 8,093 cases of dowry-related death were reported in 2007; an unknown number of murders of women and young girls were falsely labeled ‘suicides’ or ‘accidents’.

    *In Australia, Canada, Israel, South Africa and the United States, between 40 and 70 percent of female murder victims were killed by their intimate partners.

    *In the State of Chihuahua, Mexico, 66 percent of murders of women were committed by husbands, boyfriends or other family members.

    Violence and Young Women

    *Worldwide, up to 50 percent of sexual assaults are committed against girls under 16.

    *An estimated 150 million girls under the age of 18 suffered some form of sexual violence in 2002 alone.

    *The first sexual experience of some 30 percent of women was forced. The percentage is even higher among those who were under 15 at the time of their sexual initiation, with up to 45 percent reporting that the experience was forced

    http://www.endvawnow.org/en/articles/299-fast-facts-statistics-on-violence-against-women-and-girls-.html

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  17. •Every 9 seconds in the US a woman is assaulted or beaten.
    •Around the world, at least one in every three women has been beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused during her lifetime. Most often, the abuser is a member of her own family.
    •Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women—more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined.
    •Studies suggest that up to 10 million children witness some form of domestic violence annually.
    •Nearly 1 in 5 teenage girls who have been in a relationship said a boyfriend threatened violence or self-harm if presented with a breakup.
    •Everyday in the US, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends.
    •Ninety-two percent of women surveyed listed reducing domestic violence and sexual assault as their top concern.

    http://domesticviolencestatistics.org/domestic-violence-statistics/

    •According to The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and The National Institute of Justice, nearly 25% of women experience at least one physical assault during adulthood by a partner.
    •22% of the women had been subject to domestic violence during some period of their life, according to a United Nations study. Since this population included women who had never been married or partnered, the prevalence of domestic violence may have been greater.
    •According to a report by the United States Department of Justice, a survey of 16,000 Americans showed 22.1 percent of women and 7.4 percent of men reported being physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, boyfriend or girlfriend, or date in their lifetime.
    •60% of American Indian and Alaska Native women will be physically assaulted in their lifetime.

    Injury

    *For women between 15 and 44, domestic violence is the leading cause of injury, more than rapes, muggings, and car accidents combined.

    Rape

    *1 in 6 women have experienced an attempted or completed rape against a partner. *More than one in three American Indian and Alaska Native women will be raped in their lifetimes.
    Murder
    *Women are more likely than men to be murdered by an intimate partner. Of those killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female and about a quarter are male.

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  18. Voyeuristic male alert...

    "Dirt, if you want to make the world better for women stop dividing us. As a trans woman I just want to be able to live my life. I am not taking anything away from other women. Use your time to fight what actually matters.

    We should be allies not enemies. "

    Sophia, you might be a fine person, but you are not a woman. Why do you automatically assume that you know how females feel? I've been a woman all my life. It's kind of voyeuristic for a dude to be hanging out here. No, we are not allies. We are both human, and as humans we are entitled to freedom from violence and respect, but why do you assume that we are allies? Sir, you are a man, and don't you still have your penis? There is nothing wrong with having a penis, but a penis is a male organ. You do understand that don't you? If you underwent SRS, a neovagina is not the same thing as a vagina. If you are bored, here is something for you to read. It's called the Neo-vagina Monologues. By the way, it's very boring. Enjoy!

    http://factcheckme.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/the-neo-vagina-monologues/

    "I am Daryl Banks, I am a professional photographer and I came out as being transgender this past November to all my friends, family and clients. Coming out in the public forum was not an easy choice to make but after a long conversation with my father I was reminded of the importance of doing the right thing even if it makes things harder for me."

    http://www.indiegogo.com/darylbanks

    https://plus.google.com/110621548875879069278#110621548875879069278/posts

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  19. "And no, trans women are not marginalised by choice, they are marginalised by people like you, who refuse to let them live in peace, who call them freaks and trannies and shemales and chicks with dicks and traps and all the other names that are spat at them every day. You're happy to call them those things, but you haven't the guts or decency or compassion to call them sister or friend or ally.

    When you're trampling someone in the dirt, do you expect them to thank you? "

    Violence against anyone is horrific, but it is NOT females who are involved in actual violent acts against transgender individuals. Males, particularly straight males are the ones involved in at least 99% of actual acts of violence against transwomen. Females are just sick and tired of transwomen occupying every inch of our space, and claiming that they are women. This is why I know that many transwomen are cowards. They love to get into the face of women who disagree with them, but would never think of getting into the face and confronting the men who actually bash them. Cathy Brennan, a middle age, short female, was cornered by a trans, gender queer male taller and younger than she is. I suppose he thinks he is so courageous for scolding a middle age woman who he disagrees with, but he is just a cowardly man. Males feel entitled to correct uppity, outspoken women, but won't confront a man their own size. One transwoman even joked about bashing her head in with a baseball bat. No, you can't make this **it up. It's funny because he would never have the nerve to say that to a huge dude even though it's the males who actually cause physical violence to transwomen. How brave they are!

    No, transwomen are not women, and the fact that they can be self-righteous men who still keep their male arrogance and sense of entitlement proves that they aren't women.

    “Pimp slap is not enough here: a nice home run swing to the head with a 38-oz Louisville Slugger is more in order. There’s no brains in her head to destroy to start with. It’s personal, and if I ever saw her in my windshield, I’ll be wiping blood off my white Buick. But I won’t be using the brakes.”.

    http://gendertrender.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/monica-violence-1.jpg

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  20. @ 12:14 PM

    What does it mean to do these things 'like a woman?'

    Go outside. Look around. See those sisters, mothers, daughters, grandmothers, wives, girlfriends going about their daily business in their skirts and jeans and high heels and tennis shoes and short hair and long hair and so forth? That's what 'woman' looks like.

    Like normal everyday people who aren't men.

    There aren't enough trans women around to fill a small island, yet you people claim they're going to steal your femaleness from you? All I can say is, you're the deluded ones.

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  21. I'm not worried anyone is going to steal my femaleness. Most of us have MtFs in whatever Lesbian groups we belong to. So you sit in a circle next to a broad-shouldered, deep-voiced man in a dress with, I'm assuming, a dick in his panties. That's always in the back of everyone's mind, by the way. We're politically correct, and don't want anything bad to happen to anyone. I wish trans would form their own groups to discuss their issues, redefine whatever they want, etc. But please spare us the rest of the B.S.
    Germany

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  22. @ 7:29 AM

    Assuming things about people is the problem. You assume they have penis's, then assume that because they have penises they are men, men, men - when the reason they may still have a penis is because they cannot transition fully - it costs a great deal of money, for a start.

    Maybe if you tried talking to these women, treating them decently and not shunning them as men, men , men, you might find your closed mind opening a little.

    Anti trans types like yourself always complain about trans women altering their bodies with surgery or hormones, claiming that doesn't make them women, but if a trans women doesn't do those things, she is damned as a hairy male.

    Why do you think so many trans women want to access transition before puberty kicks in? So they don't develop the deeper voice, body hair and larger frame which then makes it so much harder to fit in and condemns them to be viewed as men in dresses, when they want nothing more than to be accepted as women alongside other women.

    Are there problematic trans women? Of course, because trans women are human, and humans can be good, bad, or a mixture of the two. But there are also problematic feminists, lesbians, and non-trans women. Becaues they are also human, and humans can be horrible people sometiems.

    But it seems that for you trans = bad, non-trans = good. And that's false.

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  23. Anon@ 8:20,
    I'm not saying anyone is "good" or "bad" . I'm simply saying an MtF is not a woman, and definately not a Lesbian. If they had any respect for women and Lesbians they would stay out of those spaces when it's about serious discussions in closed groups of which they are not a member. They need to learn to stop only looking into their own coffee cups, and to look beyond the rims. Why should my Lesbian group become open mic night for MtFs?
    Germany

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  24. @ 8:44 AM

    I'm simply saying an MtF is not a woman, and definately not a Lesbian

    And you're very simply wrong. And you're turning your back on those who would be allies and friends if you weren't so determined to treat them as freaks and enemies merely for the crime of being born physically male.


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  25. Biology 101

    "Assuming things about people is the problem. You assume they have penis's, then assume that because they have penises they are men, men, men - when the reason they may still have a penis is because they cannot transition fully - it costs a great deal of money, for a start."

    A penis is a male organ. Even five year old kids know this. They might not call it a penis, but they know that it's something that boys have and girls don't. I have no problem with men, and some women like penis, but males are not women. Why on earth must we all live in this trans fantasy world? I'm sick and tired of being forced to participate in someone's delusion.

    QUESTION: AREN'T TRANSGENDER INDIVIDUALS INCLUDED IN MOST HATE CRIMES LEGISLATION?

    It's immoral to physically assault a person simply because he or she is Black, Asian, Jewish, Muslim, or any other ethnic group or religion. It's also fundametally immoral to physically assault someone just because he or she is gay, lesbian, or transgender. Inclusion of transgender persons in hate crimes statutes is warranted. However, transgender males do NOT need to fall under VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) because the real life experiences of females and males are different. I find it hard to believe that a male who "transitioned" at age thirty or forty after living most of his life as a man knows how females feel. It's not an issue of which group of people has suffered the most. Rather, it's a clear and obvious difference between the violence that women experience because of their sex class and how males are raised. Males and females are different. I can't see how constantly pandering to the trans activists is in the best interest of women.

    Notice: Ladies, it was the women's vote that helped to re-elect Obama. Women have the voting power to stop this madness. We outnumber transgender. Again, transgender individuals should be included in hate crimes legislation, but males should NOT be included in VAWA. After Colleen Francis paraded his penis around the women's locker room in Olympia, Washington, it's time to make a stand. This nonsense must stop, and women have the voting power to make it happen.

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  26. "And you're very simply wrong. And you're turning your back on those who would be allies and friends if you weren't so determined to treat them as freaks and enemies merely for the crime of being born physically male."

    Has anyone said that being born male is a crime? For God Sakes! Males can be wonderful human beings, but they are not women. This is our point.

    Why are women the only historically oppressed group of people who aren't granted the right to define themselves? This wouldn't be tolerated with any other ethnic or racial group? Every other racial or ethnic group gets to decide who is and isn't part of the group except women. I guess it goes like this. Transwomen (biological males who "transition") are women because biological males (XY) say they are. No, women don't have to accept this. It has always amazed me how self righteous transwomen can be sometimes. They simply refuse to believe that their wants and needs shouldn't come first. When something doesn't go their way, they pout, or possible threaten.

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  27. @Germany

    "I'm not saying anyone is "good" or "bad" . I'm simply saying an MtF is not a woman, and definately not a Lesbian. If they had any respect for women and Lesbians they would stay out of those spaces when it's about serious discussions in closed groups of which they are not a member. They need to learn to stop only looking into their own coffee cups, and to look beyond the rims. Why should my Lesbian group become open mic night for MtFs? "

    Germany

    I know how you feel. About two years ago, the Women's Group where I live changed over to "all self-identified women" which essentially means pre or post op transwomen, cross dressers, or whatever. Or, in other words, women can have dicks, and we just need to learn to live with it. I went to one meeting then left for good. Why would I want to sit in a room with a transwoman complaining about his estrogen levels or whatever? I could tell that the tall, broad shouldered person wearing a skirt and blouse was trans. He was the only one wearing nylons, a skirt, and a blouse. It was so obvious to me.

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  28. @ 2:26 PM
    No, sorry, you're wrong. You can define yourself, but you can't define all womanhood. You can say, 'I am a woman', but you cannot say to someone else who also identifies themselves as a woman, 'I am a woman, but you are not'. Accept trans women as women, and your problem goes away. Then they can help you stand against those who abuse women, whether they be short women, tall, black, white, butch, femme, ugly or beautiful, conventional or unconventional, hairy or not hairy.

    They simply refuse to believe that their wants and needs shouldn't come first. When something doesn't go their way, they pout, or possible threaten.

    Where is this huge monolithic block of pouting trans women? You're talking nonsense. If you have an issue with an individual's behaviour, take it up with them, and stop pretending every trans woman is the same - they come is as many different types and personalities as non-trans woman do, and deserve exactly the same degree of consideration, no more, no less. If you insist on separating them from the larger group of womanhood, then it's scarcely a surprise if some of them put their own needs first, since if they don't, they'll be trampled further into the dirt in the stampede to deny them even the right to exist.

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  29. @ 2:34 PM

    Why would I want to sit in a room with a transwoman complaining about his estrogen levels or whatever?

    Her. Trans women are women. And how is it worse than women who talk about their PMS or periods?

    I could tell that the tall, broad shouldered person wearing a skirt and blouse was trans. He was the only one wearing nylons, a skirt, and a blouse. It was so obvious to me.

    There's a woman in the town where I live who would fit that description to a tee, and she is not remotely trans. And oh dear, how terrible somone should wear a skirt and blouse and nylons! Are you real? Shaming a person for the clothes they choose to wear? Gross. Ever thought just how much courage it might have taken that person to show up in your Women's Group, knowing they might face rejection and prejudice from people like you? Ever thought they might have gone there to learn and contribute? Ever thought of sparing two moments of compassion for them?

    Of course not.


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  30. 2:10 PM

    Stop calling trans women 'men' and your problem disappears. And stop dragging Colleen Francis into every argument against trans women's rights, suggesting she waved her penis around in front of a group of girls, when all that happened was someone caught a glimpse of it in a changing room. Were they staring at her crotch at the time?

    Trans women would love to be your allies against male violence. But you won't let them be. You insist they are all men, all the time.

    Yes, there are problematic trans women, usually older ones who weren't lucky enough to access the means to transition when young. But there are plenty of unpleasant non-trans women around. I don't hear you condemning them.

    The more acceptance trans people gain in mainstream society, the less of a problem there'll be. What do you think the trans women who would be protected by this legislation are? Some sort of secret cabal? Maybe you're one of those people who thinks, like Janice Raymond, that trans women 'rape women's bodies' simply by existing. They cannot take your femaleness from you, but you can certainly rob them of theirs.

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  31. Anon @2:58,
    No, they can't talk about PMS or menstration the same way women can, because they've never, ever experienced even one tiny menstrual cramp. It's like talking about it with my brother. That's the whole point we're trying to make.
    Germany

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  32. " Accept trans women as women, and your problem goes away. Then they can help you stand against those who abuse women"

    There it is.

    Obey men and in return for your obedience the men will protect you from other men. Refuse to obey men, and the transgender male has zero concern for the welfare of actual women.

    You guys are disgusting.

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  33. "Stop calling trans women 'men' and your problem disappears"

    You ARE our problem, sir.

    "Obey me and I will stop insisting you obey me"

    No Deal, Sir.

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  34. "[M2T] cannot take your femaleness from you, but you can certainly rob them of theirs."

    Men are not female. Women are not a feeling in a man's head. Women are adult female humans.

    Women cannot "rob" men of their reproductive biology, which is male.
    Women cannot grant possession of female reproductive biology to the male-bodied. No one can. Your pretense that woman can bestow such a miracle if you bully them into pretending it is so, is quite frankly pathological.

    Stop blaming women for the fact that you are male. Stop demanding that women pretend that you are female. You are not female, and you never will be. Harassing women will not make you a woman. It makes you a disgusting woman-hating prick.

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  35. @ 5:28 PM

    Obey men and in return for your obedience the men will protect you from other men. Refuse to obey men, and the transgender male has zero concern for the welfare of actual women.


    Sorry, what? At which point did I say any of that? And, 'actual women'? Please. Way to show your anti-trans prejudice up front. The welfare of all women, trans and non-trans, is important. Why do you assume trans women aren't worth of protection or concern? Where do you see trans women (not 'men') saying they will 'protect' other women from violence? At the moment, they have a hard time protecting even themselves from those who would seek to harm them. Where do you see me saying anything about 'obeying'? Please stop with that bullshit.

    And I fear you are mistaken if you think I am a male-to-female person. Completely and utterly mistaken.

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  36. @ t 5:30 PM

    Sorry, but you are severely mistaken. I am non-binary, not an mtf trans person, and by your twisted standards, you would certainly not accept me as male. Try again.

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  37. "[M2T] cannot take your femaleness from you, but you can certainly rob them of theirs."

    Men are not female. Women are not a feeling in a man's head. Women are adult female humans.

    Women cannot "rob" men of their reproductive biology, which is male.
    Women cannot grant possession of female reproductive biology to the male-bodied. No one can. Your pretense that woman can bestow such a miracle if you bully them into pretending it is so, is quite frankly pathological.

    Stop blaming women for the fact that M2Ts are male. Stop demanding that women pretend that males are female. Males are not female, and they never will be. Harassing women will not make men become women. It makes you a disgusting woman-hating prick.

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  38. So you are a female pressuring and gaslighting other women into nonconsentual participation in sexist, predatory, lesbophobic male delusions. Disgusting.

    "Just obey the men and they will stop demanding that you obey". Disgraceful.

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  39. @ 5:38 PM

    I can't help but laugh at this. You have no idea who I am, yet because I defend the rights of trans women to be accepted as women, you automatically assume I must be one. Dear me, how amazing that anyone but a trans woman would stand up for the rights of a trans woman! The very idea!

    You call me a 'disgusting woman-hating prick' on exactly what evidence? None whatever, for I have given you none. Please try to look past your man-hating prejudices before you speak. I am not a trans woman. Sorry to burst your little hate-bubble, but no. What I am is someone who hates the bigoted rhetoric thrown at trans people, on both sides of the spectrum, by closed-minded individuals like you.

    I'll say this again. Are there trans people who are assholes? Yes, Because trans people are human, and humans can be assholes. Are there non-trans people who are assholes? Yes, because non-trans people are human, and human s can be assholes. It would be extremely helpful if you didn't continually assume that only trans people are assholes, thanks.

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  40. @ 6:16 PM

    So you are a female pressuring and gaslighting other women into nonconsentual participation in sexist, predatory, lesbophobic male delusions. Disgusting.

    Nope, sorry, try again. I'm 'pressuring' no one. Just asking for consideration of trans women's right to exist as women. Nothing more, nothing less. Where do you get the idea i am in any way lesbophobic? Where are you getting this 'predatory sexist' shit from? Not me. Must be inside your heads. It's certainly not in mine.

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  41. What does that mean when you say a man's "right to exist as a woman".

    How can a man "exist as a woman"? Please be specific.

    Oh, coming onto a Lesbian's blog and gaslighting women that "Men are female if they say they are" is inherently Lesbophobic, and reprehensible.

    Shame on you.

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  42. @ 6:54 PM

    Once again, nope. Nope. As in, NO.

    Oh, coming onto a Lesbian's blog and gaslighting women that "Men are female if they say they are" is inherently Lesbophobic, and reprehensible.


    Not saying anything of the kind, not 'gaslighting, sorry, try again. And Dirt doesn't have to post anti-trans shit over and over, but she does, so why can't I protest against it?

    Trans women are not 'men'. That's the mistaken assumption. Not men. Accept that, and you start to understand. They don't 'say' they are women, the are women. Can you actually prove that they aren't? Are you going to pull their pants down every time you see a woman who doesn't fit your perfect conception of what a woman should be?

    And you call me reprehensible.

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  43. Define "exist as a woman"

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  44. @ 7:34 PM

    Go outside, look at the women passing by. That's how you define living as a woman - living as a woman. Getting up as a woman, going to bed as a woman. Working, breathing, eating, interacting. Basically, not being men.

    Please don't pretend you don't understand me. That makes you look intentionally stupid. Or worse, deliberately vile and obtuse.

    Now define, 'exists as a man'.

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  45. I think it's AWESOME that trans women are included!!!

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  46. QUESTION: DOES PAULA WITHERSPOON BELONG IN A BATTERED WOMEN'S SHELTER WITH WOMEN AND CHILDREN?

    I say hell no, and women don't have to put up with this madness.

    "A transgender woman who was ticketed for using the women’s restroom at a Dallas hospital says her status as a convicted sex offender should not play a role in the citation.

    Paula Witherspoon told NBC 5's Ellen Goldberg on Tuesday that Parkland Hospital police cited her last week.

    On Wednesday, Parkland Hospital released the police report, which states that Paul Witherspoon, 56, is a sex offender.

    Witherspoon said on Wednesday that her criminal past is no secret.

    "It happened over 22 years ago, and I'm human," she said. "I made a mistake."

    According to the Texas Public Sex Offender Registry, Witherspoon was convicted in 1990 for sexual assault of a child and indecency with a child involving sexual contact. Both victims were teenage girls.

    “It’s a tragic mistake, I admit, but I’m getting therapy for it and trying to go on with my life,” Witherspoon said."

    http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Transgender-Woman-Convictions-Irrelevant-to-Citation-149923975.html

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  47. @ 2:23 PM

    So, if you're trans, you can never change or reform, or do your time and move on with your life, or become a better person, right? And because one trans person fucked up 22 years ago, every trans person is a perverted rapist pedo monster. Right?

    No.

    How low do you intend to stoop in your campaign against trans women's rights to exist? Apparently, no trans women ever goes into a toilet to just piss.

    You haters make me sick.

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  48. QUESTION: DO 17 YEAR OLD GIRLS REALLY LIKE LOOKING AT 45 YEAR OLD MALE PENIS? I DON'T THINK SO, BUT IT'S REALLY THE 17 YEAR OLD GIRLS FAULT. IT'S ALL HER FAULT.

    "Stop calling trans women 'men' and your problem disappears. And stop dragging Colleen Francis into every argument against trans women's rights, suggesting she waved her penis around in front of a group of girls, when all that happened was someone caught a glimpse of it in a changing room. Were they staring at her crotch at the time?
    "

    "Were they staring at her crotch at the time."

    Women, read this statement once again if you can stand it. When will this madness ever end?

    "Were they staring at her crotch at the time."

    How sick and pathetic, and so utterly filled with complete disdain for women.

    Ladies, this is how much they really respect us...

    Blaming a 17 year old girl for the behavior of a 45 year old male who has been on hormones for only a couple of years shows how much they respect women.

    Colleen Francis is a 45 year old, ex military heterosexual male who was married a couple of times and has fathered children.

    ***IF YOU READ THE POLICE REPORT, IT WAS A 17 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO TOLD HER MOTHER WHO THEN COMPLAINED TO OFFICIALS.

    "Stop calling trans women 'men' and your problem disappears."

    HELL NO, HELL NO, HELL NO!, and women don't have to put up with it because we outnumber these jokers. They are the minority not us. WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IT!



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  49. QUESTION: WHY IS IT THAT EVERY DAMN TIME TRANSOMEN (BIOLOGICAL MALES WHO "TRANSITION) ENTER THE ROOM, THE CONVERSATION EVENTUALLY TURNS TO THEIR INTERESTS?

    Women are being raped and assaulted every day, but we must first concentrate on the needs of transwomen (biological males who "transition"). The fact that we cannot talk about actual violence, many times horrific violence, against women without including transgender males is proof of of how they always manage one way or another of stealing the show. Inevitably, their interests are more important. I've actually witnessed this in groups where transomen who, by the way, are NOT women, join groups of women. Eventually, the women stop talking, or speak less than they would normally speak, while the transgender males prattle on about whatever interests them at the time. I've actually witnessed this phenomena. It's kind of like how men seem to dominate the conversation when they are in a group of women.

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  50. @ 2:58 PM

    I'm not blaming anyone, just pointing out that your interpretation of what Colleen did or did not do is not the only one. Weren't you taught it is rude to stare, particularly at the region of any persons genitals? I certainly was. It's called 'good manners'.

    You keep on imputing motives and feelings to people you don't know, and denying what they actually say, and then pat yourself on the back for your righteousness. But what you are is bigoted, closed-minded, nasty people who see perversion everywhere where it doesn't exist.

    Colleen Francis is a 45 year old, ex military heterosexual male who was married a couple of times and has fathered children.

    Yes, and? Your point? Colleen may once have been those things. So what? Are any of those things evils worthy of the stunningly dirty-minded vitriol you keep spewing? Why do you drag Colleen Francis into everything when no one else is talking about her? Are all trans women in the word to be judged by the standard of one, not very typical trans women? Should I judge all feminists by your bigoted character and condemn them in the same way?

    HELL NO, HELL NO, HELL NO!, and women don't have to put up with it because we outnumber these jokers. They are the minority not us. WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IT!

    Just listen to yourself, raving about a hated minority, with such joy in the prospect in pissing on them from a great height, even as you accuse them of being capable of crowding you out. Which is it?

    If you had a brain you'd be dangerous. As it is, you're just vile.



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  51. @ 3:15 PM

    Women are being raped and assaulted every day, but we must first concentrate on the needs of transwomen (biological males who "transition"). The fact that we cannot talk about actual violence, many times horrific violence, against women without including transgender males is proof of of how they always manage one way or another of stealing the show. Inevitably, their interests are more important.

    No. At no point has anyone said trans women's needs are more important. That's your claim, to make trans people look greedy. Instead, trans women are just as important, no more, no less, as other women. Most of them face the same or greater risk of violence and discrimination while asking for no more than to be treated as women - not freaks, not chicks with dicks, not hairy men, not rapists in women's clothing, not child molesters, not perverts.

    You people call yourselves feminists, but you aren't. You disgust me.

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  52. We don't have to redefine what a woman is. And if you're trans in the womens locker or shower room, it's absolutely unacceptable for you to show your dangling male genitalia in any way,shape or form. It shows complete lack of respect and underlines you general cluelessness.
    Germany

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  53. @ 3:43 PM

    So, for the crime of cluelessness, Colleen Francis is to be vilified all over the internet? And every other trans woman in the world blamed and treated shamefully, and insulted? You call that fairness, and decency? I certainly don't.

    You don't even know what really happened. Why did no one have the common sense to say, 'Excuse me , Miss Francis, but you're showing your private bits, please remember to cover up'? That's all that was required.

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  54. Why don't trans have the common sense to know many women have been raped, many have PTSD at the very least, and you just don't belong in our spaces parading around naked with male genitalia.
    Germany

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  55. "Your transphobia runs deep. Why should a woman be given legal protections against violence, but not a TRANS woman? Violence is violence is violence!"

    Aren't transgender individuals included in hate crime legislation along with gay men and lesbians? I have no problem with this.

    Battered women who have experienced multiple acts of violence in an abusive marriage, or have been brutally raped need time to heal. So, when they are in a battered women's shelter, or a rape crisis center, or just talking to another woman, they have the added burden of accepting transgender males into their company. Sometimes all a woman needs is to talk to another woman. No, women can't do this because we have to accept transwomen as women. We have to accept them into our lives even when we are most vulnerable.

    To women who have been brutally assaulted, the actual presence of a male can trigger a strong emotional response. These women need to heal, and the last thing they need is bunking next to a person who doesn't quite seem like another woman. Please believe me when I say that women can pick up on this. The act of "transitioning" doesn't always erase all male characteristics. You are expecting women rape victims who might have PTSD to welcome into their private groups and into their lives transgender males.

    I acknowledge that transgender individuals can experience violence, and this is why transgender needs to be included in hate crimes statutes. However, you are selfish, arrogant S.O.Bs for expecting female rape victims to drop everything and embrace transwomen as women. They are struggling to rebuild their shattered lives, and they have enough to worry about. Damn you!

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  56. " I've actually witnessed this in groups where transomen who, by the way, are NOT women, join groups of women. Eventually, the women stop talking, or speak less than they would normally speak, while the transgender males prattle on about whatever interests them at the time."

    OMG this. Every damn lesbian group a "transwoman" bullies his way into. Every. Damn. Time.

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  57. "You don't even know what really happened. Why did no one have the common sense to say, 'Excuse me , Miss Francis, but you're showing your private bits, please remember to cover up'? That's all that was required."

    Miss Francis?....is this kind of joke...

    Miss Francis, your penis is showing, and the teenage girls don't want to see it.

    Excuse me, Miss Francis, but you're showing your private bits...

    These people really are twisted and demented. No, we do know what happened, and the fact that it was allowed to happen is why the laws must be changed.

    First of all, this happened in the women's sauna and locker room. If a 45 year old male walked in off the street and entered a women's restroom or locker room, took off his clothes in front of 17 year old girls, he might be arrested. The reason Colleen Francis wasn't arrested for being nude in the women's sauna and locker room is because of "gender identity" laws in Washington State. These laws CAN BE CHANGED because nothing is written in stone.

    Second, why must a 17 year old girl (***who happens to be in the women's sauna and locker room) tell a 45 year old man to cover up his penis? Why is it the responsibility of under age girls to tell 45 year old males what to do?

    Third, what exactly are mothers supposed to tell their daughters? What are mothers supposed to do? If a mother's teenage daughter sees a strange naked man (perhaps with a little breast growth, but definitely male genitals) in the women's locker room she should tell her daughter to walk up to the strange middle age male and say,

    'Excuse me , Miss [whoever], but you're showing your private bits, please remember to cover up'

    Fourth, girls and women are supposed to instinctively know who is and isn't a predatory male within the very first seconds or minutes that they first see the exposed penis. Then, smile nice, and say "Miss, excuse me..." What a bunch of misogynistic crap this is.

    Again, rationalize and blame it on the 17 year old girl.

    HERE IS THE POLICE REPORT!

    http://www.adfmedia.org/files/EvergreenPoliceReport.pdf

    ***notice where it says mother of a 17 year old girl....

    and,

    "Colleen sitting with her legs open with her male genitalia showing"...

    and,

    "there were girls 6 to 18 year of age..."








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  58. @ 4:08 PM

    I am not a trans woman. Why do you assume I am? Is it beyond your capabilities to believe anyone would want to defend a hated minority against those who spew lies about them?

    You people are hateful. I hope no one in your family ever comes out as trans and has to suffer your horrible attitudes.

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  59. @ 9:47 PM

    Do you really have such deep seated hatred for women?

    Um. where do you get that idea from, out of anything I've said? Anywhere. You don't even know me, and yet you claim things about me, just like you claim things about trans people that are so utterly wrong and hateful. How do you know someone is my family hasn't been raped? How do you know I haven't been raped? And why is it only bad if a female is raped? Do men deserve rape because some other men commit it?

    You talk about not wanting harm to come to trans people, but every word out of your mouth proves the opposite, since you will not even allow them the dignity of their identity.

    I don't hate women. I hate people like you, who hate trans people so much they won't even allow them to live.

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  60. Anon @12:27,
    You know why I feel so strongly about it? For starters, I've been raped, my sister was raped (actually my sister never recovered) and so was my girlfriend. If you had ever been raped you would not talk about it like you do. It took me years as an adult just to handle seeing a little girl walking around in public holding her father's hand. I don't think I'm the only one, so show some respect and keep your male bodies out of our women's spaces.
    Germany

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  61. @ 7:36 AM

    I'm sorry you were raped, but you cannot use that as a hammer to beat others with, who did not rape you. You should stop equating 'trans' with 'rapist'. Nowhere have I made light of rape, or suggested that rape is anything but bad.

    And you cannot say anything about what has happened or not happened to me, since yo do not know me, or anything about me. And I am not, once again, a trans woman. I'm non-binary.

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  62. "I don't hate women. I hate people like you, who hate trans people so much they won't even allow them to live.

    January 28, 2013 at 12:27 AM"
    -----------------------

    You hate women who won't play along and participate in the fantasies men have about themselves- namely, the fantasy that they are female. And you believe that disobedient women who refuse to pretend that embodying a cluster of stereotypes actually makes men female are equivalent to murderers. As in, those who remove from others the ability to live.
    This is pathological, magical thinking. It reminds me of that section of Peter Pan where everyone has to shout "i believe" "I believe" or Tinkerbell will die.

    M2T are not Tinkerbell. They continue to exist as males whether one humors their delusional fantasies or not. That is objectively so. The truth (that males are male) does not in any way imply that males do not exist. Nor does the truth "prevent males from living".

    You hate women and imply we commit murder by refusing to pretend we believe in untruths. You demonize and despise honesty in women. To you, the value of a woman (whether she should be loved or hated) is based on the degree to which she denies her own truth.

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  63. @9:37,
    Please spare me. I'm not "beating" anybody. I'm not equating trans with anything. And I don't know what "non-binary" means, I got my education before Gender studies and all the rest of the bullshit terminology came out. Just how you use the word "beating" I can tell you're an asshole.

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  64. @ 10:00 AM

    No, sorry, try again. Not a single word I've said implies I hate women AT ALL, and you cannot point it out to me because you won't find it anywhere here. What I hate is bigoted people wh o call trans people rapists and perverts without the slightest evidence. Being trans doesn't make you a saint, nor does it make yo a monster. Trans people are human. They exist. They have the right to exist without your bigotry.

    Your calling trans women 'm2t' shows you're a trans hater, like those hateful people at GenderTrender who call themselves feminists and spend all their time denigrating trans people.

    You hate women and imply we commit murder by refusing to pretend we believe in untruths. You demonize and despise honesty in women. To you, the value of a woman (whether she should be loved or hated) is based on the degree to which she denies her own truth.

    Nonsense. You seem happy enough to demonise trans people, though - calling them rapists and freaks and perverts.

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  65. @ 10:26 AM

    If you don't know what non-binary means, look it up. I'm not going to explain it to you so you can deny my identity like you deny other people's. And no, I'm not an asshole, that's your assumption. If you like, I'll rephrase it more clearly:

    Being hurt, (by men, not trans women), does not give you any right to hurt others. Was your rapist trans? If not, why are you hating on trans people? Trans women are not rapists, rapists are rapists.

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  66. anon@11:51,
    I actually don't care what it means, because I'm sure you'll come up with something different to call yourself in a year or two, probably starting with "trans-bianary...".
    It's clear trans women don't respect women, or they would not force themselves (like the men they are) into our spaces.
    Germany

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  67. @ 12:39 PM

    It's pretty obvious you're totally prejudiced against trans people. You haven't even the courtesy to google a term you don't understand, yet you're happy to define MY identity for ME, without having the dimmest clue what I'm talking about. Classy.

    Hating all men for what one man did won't help you.

    And for about the hundredth time AM AM NOT A TRANS WOMAN. Jesus, how often do I have to say it? Stop telling me what I am, when you don't have a clue.

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  68. Nobody gives a crap about your "gender identity". That's the point, dummy. Your "gender identity" is some personal thoughts you have about yourself. Like your religion. No one else cares, and no one else is required to care, about your internal thoughts. How incredibly narcissistic and self-centered to think anyone but you cares what you think about yourself. The rest of us go by objective information- such as your actual sex. We don't care about your kooky religion or your kooky "gender identity". Those things are SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL beliefs. Duh.

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  69. @The Anon dickering with Germany

    If you've missed that your self-identified "identity" is immaterial here, I can't imagine why anyone bothers to continue responding to you. Clearly you're unable to grasp that people here deal with biological reality and not mental fantasy.

    It's not about respecting "identity", it's about respecting the sex class and their wish to be free of the other sex class. It's not terribly hard to understand.

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  70. @ 2:49 PM

    Ha ha. No. You don't get to define me, nor judge my right to define myself.

    You people are kind of pathetic in your hatred. Nothing is going to happen to you if you accept trans people exist - you won't suddenly go poof! and vanish in a puff of smoke.

    You might on the other hand become decent human beings.

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  71. It's not about not wanting trans people to exist, it's about not wanting them appropriating someone else's identity [female] -- a concept that maybe you're better equipped to comprehend.

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  72. @ 2:59 PM

    *shrug* Please yourselves, it won't make trans people go away. Hope you never work or interact with any trans people, I wouldn't want them to be hurt by your nasty bigoted attitude.

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  73. @ 3:16 PM

    Do you lack basic reading comprehension? How many times do I need to say this?

    I AM NOT A TRANS WOMAN!

    Non-binary FAAB - if you don't know what that means, look it up, and stop telling me what I am, when yo don't have the faintest knowledge of me.

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  74. Nobody here is telling you what you are! We are talking about trans people and their appropriation of female. Yeesh. Put down your flag for 30 seconds!

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  75. @ 3:36 PM

    Why should I? You talk about appropriation, but all trans women are doing is being their own female selves - they're not becoming you, only themselves. They can't take your femaleness from you, it exists in you as an individual woman.

    You talk about them as if they have no feelings, no humanity, like their are vampires stealing your blood. You talk about them taking from you, when they want to add something. You seem to see no other reason for them struggling to express their own female nature than wanting to rape you in toilets while 'disguised' as women. And then you express such outrage when anyone protests at this deeply offensive portrayal.

    A friend of mine has a young trans friend, who's at college, and who has received years of abuse and harassment for the apparent crime of daring to be female having been assigned male at birth. Am I to tell my friend she should shun her young friend because 'he' is just a man in a dress, pretending to be a woman? I think I would get very short shrift from her if I did.

    It's a pity you all seem to wear blinders so well that you see only the body and not the human being wearing it.

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  76. It is you that wears the blinders, oh anonymous soapbox speaker. I am m2t as they like to say around these parts. No-one is more fully aware than I of the very real difference between sex and gender presentation.

    I support these women's right to have sex segregated space if they want it. I would never in a million years see the point of forcing myself in where I wasn't wanted, period. It has nothing to do with recognition of my "identity", and I understand that. These women aren't obtuse, they understand it just fine -- they disagree is all, on the most fundamental piece of the whole thing.

    What's so wrong with that?

    When I wake up tomorrow, I'll still be trans. What these women are discussing doesn't change that. What it might (and arguably should) change is other trans people's attitudes towards forcing their delusions on other people to the detriment of those people's existence.

    No-one is saying you can't be trans. They're saying if you started off as male, you can't be female, and vice versa.

    There isn't a single possible way a person could argue otherwise.

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  77. Transgender, or non-binary, I suggest you wake up.

    IF THE VAWA (VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT) FAILS BECAUSE THE TRANS ACTIVISTS THREW A LITTLE HISSY FIT BECAUSE WOMEN DON'T RECOGNIZE MALES AS FEMALES, WOMEN WILL REMEMBER THIS.

    We (women) outnumber you, and we have the voting power to shut you down!

    The women's vote was instrumental in electing President Obama. You really don't want to upset us.

    As to "non-binary", at least 95% of the population never uses the term. It's like "cis" which was forced on us by delusional trans activists.

    No one wants to harm transgender folks, but women are fed up.







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  78. Dirt: the definition of idiot.
    Wow, did you even go to school moron?

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  79. I know this is over a year old, but for some reason I felt offended and possibly misrepresented by the ongoing argument in the last half of the comments.

    As a "m2t" trans person, I have to agree with "avid reader" on this, as my view on this subject would be congruent with their own.

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