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Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Not Seeing Lavender-Suzanne Moore and Trans-Political Homophobia

RE: Suzanne Moore/Julie Burchill

Since I am a day late and a dollar short on this I won't go into the particulars, the internet floor is plenty littered with them by now. If in the dark, see both links above.

The fallout came after a remark was taken out of context in a smart feminist article made by Suzanne Moore in a recent NewStateman. While describing today's contrived hyper-feminine creation aka woman, Suzanne juxtaposed the unattainability of the male masturbatory feminine ideal to that of the equally male created artificial trans male model aka transwoman. Suzanne said, and I quote: "We are angry with ourselves for not being happier, not being loved properly and not having the ideal body shape – that of a Brazilian transsexual." This link will take you to a few of the Brazilian transsexual models to whom Suzanne was referring. Interestingly I could not find a single gripe from the Trans politic or anywhere else attacking this paper or demanding the journalist's head on a platter, despite the repeating words "Brazilian transsexual" throughout the piece. Which leads me to ask the question, why is it perfectly acceptable for some to use "Brazilian transsexual" and others (feminist?) to be viciously attacked for it? There are several reasons for this in fact:

1) Because comparing the patriarchacal plastic-medi-made woman born delegitimizes the plastic-medi-made transwoman that males are claiming they were born! If feminists remove the legitimacy of ready-made-women who are female, ready-made-transwomen disappear altogether.

2 a) There is a conspicuous jealously and homophobia by the majority of trans males aka Mtfs whenever reminded of trans males who pass (perform for their own internal male gaze) better than they. Especially males requiring less drugs and surgeries with which to do so. Those males make up the few percent of trans males who are homosexual. Males who seek transition, unlike your 90+ percent of hetero male transitioners who transition seeking the ultimate fetishist's high, transition instead because of his pathological homophobia. These gay males, do not have to lie to their "gender specialists" about their attractions or their feelings of believing they "always felt like girls". Many gay trans males formed close relationships with females their age when young and were allowed into early female spaces, experiences your classic autogynephile wasn't at all privy to.

2 b) Not unlike your typical straight male homophobe, hetero trans males are equally homophobic and then some! But theirs is a homophobia coupled with extreme jealousy. That's not to say they wont use gay trans males for their own political agendas whenever one is beaten or murdered. But outside of that, these men HATE gay men, period! Sadly the gay trans male is usually a minority, he doesn't have the white privilege and power commanded by the white straight Trans politic. He usually has to put himself into danger if he feels compelled to transition. Dangers from prostituting himself to raise monies for transition, including frequenting life threatening Pump Parties.

In short, Suzanne Moore was attacked because she destabilized the plastic-medi-made woman via highlighting the misogyny which underlines it. And because perhaps unbeknownst to her she put a spotlight on the homophobia creating a small number of trans males but moreover the homophobia coursing through the veins like so much synthetic estrogen in nearly all others.

dirt 

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

That's a GREAT fucking point about the homophobia.

-Gallus

Anonymous said...

If Moore wanted to say "plastic-medi-made" she could have said "Barbie doll", but she didn't. I personally think Moore's original post was okay and that she simply didn't think it through properly before submitting (and I would suggest that you edit your post to include this for some perspective). She should have said sorry, that was poor journalism, and moved on but she didn't. She threw her toys out of the pram on Twitter and made herself look like a fool to a much larger audience than those who would ever have read the original post on the newspaper websites. In essence, she trolled herself and had her fingers burned as a result. As someone who makes a living out of being a feminist and a journalist, she should have listened to what other people had to say. If you can't listen to other people then what are you doing in journalism?

Nicky said...

That's very GREAT in pointing out the Root of Homophobia and Racism.

Anonymous said...

You're quite wrong. Both Suzanne Moore and Julie Bindel were called out vociferously for their transphobia in the articles you mention, and the Guardian/Observer condemned for allowing them to be posted on their joint website (Moore was castigated mainly for her transphobic and insulting language used on the Twitter when it was pointed out that the comparison she made was poorly chosen).

Your whole post makes very little sense, to be honest. Trans males are not male to female, since trans women are women. You know this perfectly well, yet you deliberately obfuscate and deny the truth and use the wrong terminology. You repeat garbage from The Transsexual Empire about homophobic gay males and fetishes. It's nonsense, and pernicious nonsense at that. Most of the rest of your post is garbage, too, I'm afraid. Frankly, it's little more than a hate-fuelled rant. The whole autogynephile shtick was thrown out years ago by most sensible people.

Does it occur to you that the people you're insulting with your ill-informed rubbish are human beings, many of whom, both male and female, struggle daily with discrimination, ostracisation and injustice? Your brand of 'feminism' seems to consist of little but hating on men, and trans me, for daring to exist. Maybe you should take some time to examine this prejudice of yours instead of berating and mocking the ftm community, and spouting a lot of bigoted tripe about trans women.

Anonymous said...

You would do well to educate yourself before spouting such idiotic nonsense about things you know nothing about. Now you have a bunch of hysterical women thinking you're onto something, while you lead them down a path to nowhere.

Face it, we are simply better at being women than you all are. Women gave up being women and instead want to be just like men. Did you not realize that someone would come along to fill the void?

You will never win, because this is a man's world.

Hilla said...

smart, smart writing.

Anonymous said...

I am so glad that someone is finally speaking out about this! I gave up on TG support groups because I was tired of being berated by older transwomen because I'm attracted to guys. They claim that as long as I date men, I will never be able to fully escape from masculinity. Nevermind the fact that most of these "transwomen" spend most of their time as men, or that they had been hitting on me from day one. That's the other thing... I am sick of these old trannies hitting on me and using support groups as some kind of dating club.

These old guys are ALWAYS trying to give me advice on "how to be a woman" sand they get mad when I choose not to listen to them. They are really no better than the guys I went to school with, who picked on me and called me "fag" and "sissy".

So what have we got now, this "cotton ceiling" thing? Where these old guys playing dress-up want to get with lesbians? Why am I being blamed for that crap? Why do feminists get mad at me for what these idiots are doing? I'm not your enemy, they are!

BadDyke said...

"Face it, we are simply better at being women than you all are. Women gave up being women and instead want to be just like men. Did you not realize that someone would come along to fill the void?"

O dear, you couldn't have shown it better if you tried!

Femininity was ALWAYS a male construct, so no damn surprise if some women have wised up and refused to do it. How DARE they! Yep, become those male-fantasy fuck toys if you want, but don't expect us to continue equating that (and you) with BEING women, which was what we were fighting in the first place.

Plus, yet again, the same ole tired trans tropes (and even the ole MRA man-hating feminists line!), and the belief that if you repeat if often enough (trans women ARE women), we'll finally shut up. Males demanding, yet again, the RIGHT to define what women is, and denying females any say in the matter.

And not a WORD about the homophobia, which just proves the point really.

Anonymous said...

@ 10:24 PM

Unfortunately a lot of older trans women seem to have bought into the HBS-er idea that a trans woman can't exist unless she's attracted to men and highly feminine, which is of course bullshit. This was often enforced by the medical establishment as a precondition of transition. Maybe they use support groups as yo describe because it's all they know. A lot of older transwomen don't pass well. They haven't had the benefit of the advantages of young mtfs

Fortunately, the system is becoming more enlightened now, and 'trannys' of this type are pretty much a dying breed as the condition becomes better understood and accepted. In time, they probably won't feel the need to be as strident.

Anonymous said...

"You would do well to educate yourself before spouting such idiotic nonsense about things you know nothing about. Now you have a bunch of hysterical women thinking you're onto something, while you lead them down a path to nowhere.
Face it, we are simply better at being women than you all are. Women gave up being women and instead want to be just like men. Did you not realize that someone would come along to fill the void?
You will never win, because this is a man's world."

Ladies, listen up...the surgically constructed women (XY) have spoken...

"You will never win, because this is a man's world."

I would like to speak directly to any and all women who might stumble across this blog. Women, this is how they REALLY feel about us. A surgically constructed female is FAR SUPERIOR to a biological female. They state, "Face it, we are simply better at being women than you all are." In other words, surgical techniques, hefty doses of an external source of estrogen, make up, the latest fashion represents the very essence of what constitutes a woman. Women are created and fashioned similar to any other man made product, technology, or invention. Women are not born. Forget this because that is so old school. If a female can be surgically constructed where none clearly existed before, they why can't females be created in a laboratory? When human technology perfects cloning and other reproductive sciences and technologies, WILL BIOLOGICAL FEMALES EVEN BE NECESSARY? What is and isn't female? These are ethical questions of profound importance.

WOMEN HAVE VOTING POWER (the women's vote was a deciding factor in the Obama victory), and transgender are a minority. Ladies, we don't have to tolerate the likes of Colleen Francis parading his penis in front of our teenage girls, nor do we have to tolerate transwomen saying that they make better women than stupid, dull old born females. They are far more attractive, fashionable, and trendy than we ever could be. Soccor moms are too busy raising kids to spend twenty hours a day fussing over their makeup, hair, or dress. I'm starting to believe that transgender is developing into an Orwellian nightmare for girls and women.

Anonymous said...

"Trans males are not male to female, since trans women are women."

No, if a human is born biological male (XY) and not intersex which, as I understand it, comprises the majority of MTF (male to females) then they ARE NOT WOMEN. They are human and worthy of respect, but not women. I refuse to hand over the word woman to male to female transsexuals. Deep down in our hearts, women don't believe that Colleen (Clay Scott) Francis or Robert (Gabbie) Ludwig are women. We secretly think it's one big joke, but we are taught to be lady like and keep our collective mouths shut. Transwomen are women has been shoved down our throats. Women are taught to be non-confrontational and pleasant, and most of the time this has been our downfall.

Why are women the only historically oppressed group of people who aren't granted the right to define themselves? This simply wouldn't be tolerated with any other historically oppressed and marginalized group of people. Biological males (XY) get to define literally everything in our known world, and they get to define femininity itself, and who is and isn't a woman. I say they don't. I say MTFs are NOT women. Transwomen ARE NOT WOMEN. Ladies, all we have to do is repeat what we already know. Transwomen ARE NOT WOMEN. Repeat it, and keep saying it.

Guess what ladies, women have the VOTING POWER TO CHANGE THIS NONSENSE ONCE AND FOR ALL. We out number these jokers. Women brought these clowns into the world.

Anonymous said...

@ 3:27 PM

You seem awfully worried over the opinions of a tiny percentage of what is already a pretty small group. All most trans people want is to be accepted as teh gender they present to the world. But really, can you blame some of them for lashing out, when they're shat on so often by so-called feminists.

Maybe you should read this, and see what less judgmental feminists think about transphobia in feminism:

http://www.penny-red.com/post/40595682748/on-feminism-transphobia-and-free-speech

Especially this part:

"A young, powerful feminist movement with transsexual and queer people at the heart of the debate is gathering in strength in this country and across the world, and we know that gender essentialism and bigotry hurt all of us, cis and trans, men and women.

Transphobic men and women who promote prejudice in the name of feminism, including writers like Sheila Jeffreys, Germaine Greer, Julie Bindel and now Julie Burchill, are on the wrong side of history. For far too long, a small, vocal cadre of the women’s movement has claimed that transsexuals, and in particular transsexual women, are not just irrelevant to feminism but actively damaging to the cause of women’s liberation. Their arguments are illogical, divisive and hateful, and sometimes just plain bonkers. I’ve been to meetings where transphobic feminists have argued that if they don’t keep a lookout, horrible sexist men will try to sneak into their meetings, marches and seminars in disguise in order to disrupt proceedings. What precise form the disruption is supposed to take has not been explained, partly because it has never happened, ever."



Anonymous said...

"You would do well to educate yourself before spouting such idiotic nonsense about things you know nothing about. Now you have a bunch of hysterical women thinking you're onto something, while you lead them down a path to nowhere.
Face it, we are simply better at being women than you all are. Women gave up being women and instead want to be just like men. Did you not realize that someone would come along to fill the void? You will never win, because this is a man's world."

Date: January 2013

Transwomen, stealth and useful tools of patriarchy, have spoken...

"You will never win, because this is a man's world."

Date: 1994

“There is a long tradition of eunuchs who were used by rulers, heads of state, and magistrates as keepers of women. Eunuchs were supervisors of the harem in Islam and wardens of women’s apartments in many royal households. In fact, the word eunuch, from the Greek eunouchos, literally means “keeper of the bed.” Eunuchs were men that other more powerful men used to keep their women in place. By fulfilling this role, eunuchs also succeeded in winning the confidence of the ruler and securing important and influential positions…the earliest mentions of eunuchs is in connection with the Minoan civilization of Crete, which was a transitional period fro an earlier gynocentric society. It thus appears that eunuchs, to some extent, always attached themselves to women’s spaces and, most frequently, were used to supervise woemn’s freedom of movement and to harness women’s self-centeredness and self-government. ‘It is stated that entrĂ©e into every political circle was possible for eunuchs even if barred to other men.’” (p.105)

Janice Raymond, "Transsexual Empire"

Date: January 2013

"Face it, we are simply better at being women than you all are. Women gave up being women and instead want to be just like men. Did you not realize that someone would come along to fill the void?"

Date: 1994

"Men, of course, invented the feminine,....

“If the stereotypes themselves are not confronted but are only frowned upon when acted out by persons of the ‘wrong’ sex, then the origins of transsexualism will be individualized and psychologized. What will go unexamined is patriarchy’s norms of masculinity and femininity and how these norms, if allowed to contain persons within such rigid boundaries, may generate such a phenomenon as transsexualism.”

Janice Raymond, "Transsexual Empire"




Anonymous said...

@ 4:09 PM

Eunuchs have nothing to do with trans women. And the Transsexual Empire is a vile book which should never have been written, let alone published.

The trans women you quoted, if they are indeed genuine and not trolls, are wrong. They get to define the meaning of woman only for themselves. There is no one true way to be a woman, just as there is no one true way to be a man. There is only the way each individual approaches their man hood or womanhood.

Anonymous said...

To the anon at 3:27 who posted an article from Penny Red. The trans are now threatening HER on twitter as well.

"Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
Unfortunately when you receive constant hate speech and threats, valuable criticism is hard to spot, especially coming from a place of anger
Expand
4h Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
@WikiGuido now that DOES look like a threat. Leave me alone."

There is NO point in trying to placate these violent men.

Anonymous said...

I suspect anon @9:32 PM is actually a radfem puppet, and that is why "his" words echo those of Janice Raymond so closely. I mean, it's kind of obvious!

If you can't see this, then maybe you should put down your radical feminist books and step outside for a change... maybe go for a walk and see just how wonderful the world really is.

Anonymous said...

I read the article, "Seeing red: the power of female anger" by Suzanne Moore and it encapsulates the frustration that many women feel. Apparently, the trans thought police went berserk over one sentence out of a very long article.

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE. Below are only a few paragraphs of this long article.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/01/seeing-red-power-female-anger

"Every statistic available shows that women and children are being hit hardest by this recession. Women are losing more jobs than men in the public sector (65% of public sector workers are female) and the services they consume the most are also being cut back. Many women now find themselves as unpaid carers with no remuneration whatsoever. Meanwhile, a parliament of men can still legislate over the bodies of women.

"All those tired but wired women that you see with a briefcase and a snatched bag of M&S ready meals. Are they really having it all? It’s not just the double shift of work and domestic duties that women do. There is now a third shift – we must keep ourselves sexually attractive forever. This requires more “work” in the form of surgery. When breasts became bouncy castles for male enjoyment, the imploding implant scandal was waiting to happen. Every woman who has it done claims they are doing it for themselves, their self-worth residing in a body to be used by others. If cutting yourself up as “empowerment” seems a little too much, then just inject yourself with poisonous Botox. I always say the best filler is cake.

We are angry with ourselves for not being happier, not being loved properly and not having the ideal body shape – that of a Brazilian transsexual. We are angry that men do not do enough. We are angry at work where we are underpaid and overlooked. This anger can be neatly channelled and outsourced to make someone a fat profit. Are your hormones okay? Do you need a nice bath? Some sex tips and an internet date? What if, contrary to Sex and the City, new shoes do not fill the hole in your soul? What if you aspire to another model of womanhood than the mute but beautifully groomed Kate Middleton? What if your anguish is not illogical but actually bloody spot on?"

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/01/seeing-red-power-female-anger

The most interesting thing about this entire article is how honest and direct it is. Women are expected to be everything and gorgeous at the same time. Women are never allowed to be angry. There is tremendous amount of pressure put on women to be thin with perky breasts. Transgender is terrified that women might finally wake up and see that femininity is nothing more than a man made creation after all. Is this why they had such a hissy fit over one sentence in this lengthy article? There really are Brazilian transsexual models, and they make a living by smiling pretty for the camera. They are truly the ultimate man made definition of femininity.



Anonymous said...

Here is Julie Burchill's censored Observer article.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100198116/here-is-julie-burchills-censored-observer-article/

"The brilliant writer Suzanne Moore and I go back a long way. I first met her when she was a young single mother living in a council flat; she took me out to interview me about my novel Ambition (re-published by Corvus Books this spring, since you ask) for dear dead City Limits magazine. "I’ve got an entertaining budget of £12.50!" she said proudly. "Sod that, we’re having lobster and champagne at Frederick’s, and I’m paying," I told her. Half a bottle of Bolly later, she looked at me with faraway eyes: "Ooo, I could get to like this…’ And so she did.

I have observed her rise to the forefront of this country’s great polemicists with a whole lot of pride – and just a tiny bit of envy. I am godmother to her three brilliant, beautiful daughters. Though we differ on certain issues we will have each others backs till the sacred cows come home.

With this in mind, I was incredulous to read that my friend was being monstered on Twitter, to the extent that she had quit it, for supposedly picking on a minority – transsexuals

"I must say that my only experience of the trans lobby thus far was hearing about the vile way they have persecuted another of my friends, the veteran women’s rights and anti-domestic violence activist Julie Bindel, picketing events where she is speaking about such minor issues as the rape of children and the trafficking of women just because she refuses to accept that their relationship with their phantom limb is the most pressing problem that women – real and imagined – are facing right now."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100198116/here-is-julie-burchills-censored-observer-article/#disqus_thread

Women have enough to worry about. We don't need to be held hostage by the trans lobby.

Anonymous said...

Dirt and her group of ding-dongs don't understand that they have no domain over what constitutes being a man or a woman. All they can do is remind us of our chromosomes. People do not think with their chromosomes, interact as functions of their chromosomes, feel with their chromosomes, make judgements, learn or grow with their chromosomes. None of this bullshit Dirt is talking about matters. What matters is what kind of human you are. Judging by the pathetic display of ass-hattery here, the trannies are doing a much better job of keeping their side of the street clean. And ladies of this blog, don't let the hate you spread here be the box you have to live in.

Anonymous said...

"A young, powerful feminist movement with transsexual and queer people at the heart of the debate is gathering in strength in this country and across the world, and we know that gender essentialism and bigotry hurt all of us, cis and trans, men and women."

War is peace, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery...

Thank you trans thought police for those very enlightening and uplifting words, but now back to reality. That is, the world that 90% of the rest of us must live, work, and exist in. Transwomen occupying every inch of female space (restrooms, locker rooms, women's prisons, etc.) is actually GOOD for women. We WANT our teenage daughters seeing lady stick (aka penis on a transwoman). If we say it is benefical for women, then it must be so. Biological females getting elective mastectomies, taking testosterone, and renouncing their female identity furthers the intersts of the female sex. As to FTM (female to male), I really can't see how wrecking the female reproductive system with testosterone, and erasing female identity itself relates to feminism, but if we say it does, we are right. We know what we are talking about. Don't worry about the small details.

Why not ask the mothers in Olympia, Washington what they think of Colleen Francis parading his penis around the women's sauna and locker room? The rights of a heterosexual, middle aged ex-military man are more important than the needs of teenage girls. It was a 17 year old girl who complained to her mother. Transgender rights trump the interests of girls and women.

Why not ask the women and lesbians who politely and respectfully told the trans community that its "Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling Workshop: Breaking Down Sexual Barriers for Queer Transwomen" which excluded female assigned at birth was offensive. They didn't want females in there. Despite knowing full well that this was offensive, the trans community did it anyway. A penis is really not a male organ if he says it's not.

Why not ask the female inmates in California prisons whether or not they want Richard Masbruch in their prison? He tied two women up and sadistically tortured them with an electric wire before he raped them. Incidentally, he had his penis when he did this, but now he is called Sherry so they sent him to a women's prison. Transgender rights trump the needs of female inmates.

Why not ask the parents of the young college age women who are forced to play basketball with a 6'8" 180 lb. male named Gabbie how they really feel? No, parents really had reservations, but the trans lobby went out of its way to convince us that we are all ignorant.

By the way, I'm not cis anything, and the majority of people never use the word. When did women become cis? It's not like we got to vote on it. Cis sounds like cyst to me. I never did like this word. It's one of those made up words that have special, magical properties.

We say that transgender is in the best interests of women, and this is all people need to know.

Anonymous said...

"Dirt and her group of ding-dongs don't understand that they have no domain over what constitutes being a man or a woman"

I say that male to female transsexuals are not women. Prove me wrong.

Once again I pose this question:

Why are women the only historically oppressed group of people who aren't granted the right to define themselves? This would never be tolerated in any ethnic or racial group that I'm aware of. Most ethnic and racial groups get to define who is and isn't part of the group.

If there is nothing unique or special about being Black or Asian for example, and if anyone can be Black or Asian, then this would essentially throw these identities out the window.

What would people think if someone tried to surgically/chemically create an African American? I imagine people would be outraged. However, it's perfectly fine to surgically create a female. We know it's not true, but we are all supposed to pretend it's true.

Women, we have the voting power to stop this madness, and we don't have to put up with it.







Anonymous said...

"Come on now, don't get your panties in a bunch, babe! Find yourself a nice (preferably blind) man and have a nice fuck. Trust me, you'll feel better."

This is all too common misogynistic bullying that transgender and their allies gleefully fling at annoying women that disagree with them.

Women need a good fuck to clear their pretty little heads.

How clever and all so original.

Anonymous said...

"I'm afraid that some feminists might have started this groupthink with the "personal is political" blurb - and it's continued right in the comments here with "Deep down in our hearts, women don't believe...". Come on, there are 3 billion women in the world and you speak for all of them? "

The dreaded feminists started every thing. Damn, feminists! No, this started when transwomen demanded access to every inch of female space (women's restrooms, locker rooms, women's prisons, etc.) It probably goes back to the Michigan Women's Music Festival where transwomen felt compelled to crash the party and demand access. Women can't have one weekend a year to themselves without transwomen stomping their feet and complaining.

I forgot the Cotton Ceiling workshop which they knew damn well was offensive. And, who could ever forget Colleen Francis parading his dick around 17 year old girls.

I hate to say it, but I don't think that most women see MTFs as women. Perhaps some, but if we actually let women candidly speak their minds, what would they say? Are biological males who "transition" actual women? I don't think most women see them as completely female. Has anyone actually let us vote on it? Women are just conditioned to be polite and not to say what we really think.

"Deep down in our hearts, women don't believe that Colleen (Clay Scott) Francis or Robert (Gabbie) Ludwig are women."

This is far more true than not. I seriously doubt if that many women in Olympia, Washington, after seeing Colleen's penis in the suana, really believe that he is a woman.

Anonymous said...

@Mikhail:

You seem like a decent enough chap, and you do have make some good points. At least you do seem to have some respect for women, and I deeply appreciate it.

"And I also have no business defining them as I am neither (simply not a woman, even if I roleplay one sometimes, and agree with *some* forms of feminism - not radfem - and was once in a street campaign for acquitting a rape victim indicted for her self-defense, but do not pretend to be a part of the movement)."

What does this mean,

"and was once in a street campaign for acquitting a rape victim indicted for her self-defense, but do not pretend to be a part of the movement"?

A woman was charged for defending herself against rape? This statement is very vague, and you don't refer to the specific case, so I have no idea what you are talking about.








Anonymous said...

It was one thing when we had men thinking they should have been born female, who would go through all of the treatments and surgeries, and those who could blend in, did. But now we have thousands of fetishists who want to wear dresses and pretend to be girls (not women, but girls... think about it). They don't want surgery. They don't want to blend in. Instead they was laws to force everyone to take part in their fantasy, pretending that a dick is a female organ. Their dicks aren't the only thing they won't give up either. They also hold dearly to their male privilege, male attitudes, and their sense of entitlement. And yet, we are all supposed to accept them and allow them and their swinging dicks into our spaces.

Seamus Smith said...

Brilliant -- and spot on. Thanks!

Mikhail Ramendik said...

@ Anonymous 10:01 yes, a woman was charged for defending herself against rape because she accidentally killed the assailant. This happened in Russia in 2005. Following several public demonstrations, the initial conviction was overturned. The debates were understandably in Russian, but here are some English links:

http://therussiandilettante.blogspot.ie/2005/06/right-to-defend-ourselves-update.html

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/19-11-2005/9261-rapist-0/

http://astrokeofkey.blogspot.ie/2005/06/alexandra-ivannikova-update.html

@ Anonymous 9:44 My own take is that as GID is a disability, the use of disabled facilities should be possible. I also believe in the right of people to have any kind of private event or club by whatever reasons they think of - women-born-women, redheads, Catholics, brown-eyed, and, yes, even a publicly advertised (but private) white-only event is not to be banned. That is my view even though I would not attend a white-only event (I am white). To quote Lisa Vogel of Michfest - "I support separate and whole space for anybody who wants it".

So, i do disapprove of trans women "breaking into" Michfest; pickets should be kept outside the fest territory. (I was unable to google out actual "break ins" but might be my fault).

However, once you DO start saying that some exclusionary events are not okay, and that the idea of "discrimination" should apply to events organized by people for themselves, then you have a problem with all exclusionary events. If you can't have "whites only" why can you have "women born women only"? (Again in my view both should be permitted as private, even advertised, events - while licensed public premises should be allowed neither).

I am simply very skeptical of group rights. Unfortunately, some transwomen DO buy into group rights. And that is regrettable because trans* is a deeply individual condition.

Oh, and the prison thing... I can't judge the details of any particular case, but my big regret about the area has nothing to do with trans issues specifically, it is that solitary confinement has been categorized as "torture". Now human rights legislation might force people to socialize in a circle the did not choose. This has unfortunate implications on anyone who does not "blend in", including transsexuals. But I am cis and also fail to blend in in most places. If I had to be imprisoned (happens to all of us, one does not have to be guilty to be suspected) I would prefer solitary confinement.

Mikhail Ramendik said...

Re solitary confinement - did my research, the near-ban is just a European thing. I never left Europe in my life (from Russia, now live in Ireland) so really can't say anything at all about what's going on in the USA.

Anonymous said...

Here are some the the violent Tweet threats directed towards Suzanne Moore.

http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/tweeting-suzanne-moore-a-random-sample/#comment-17951


If what is posted at this link is true, any rational person would conclude that these are violent threats from rather disturbed people.

As the trans house of cards slowly starts to crumble, they are getting more extreme with their rants.

Utter misogyny...threatening females who disagree with them...

*women need to read this to really understand what they think of females...



Miz Know-It-All said...

What Anon 11:04 PM said!
"It was one thing when we had men thinking they should have been born female, who would go through all of the treatments and surgeries, and those who could blend in, did."

Those same "men," quite real but rare as hens teeth never went away, they are still with us, blended in and going about the same rather boring lives most of us have... and here is the important part, they live under the same oppressive rules placed on all women, any hint of male privileges completely abdicated!

But the sole reason you never hear of them anymore is their tiny voice has been drowned out by the onslaught of fetishistic crossdressers who stole the whole cloth of that narrative to justify their having access to women's spaces! All the blather about gender this and that is nothing but red herrings on top of red herrings!

Otherwise the TG would be pushing to make it safe for any man to still be a man and... be shudder...feminine! Noooooo... oh nooooo! That would simply not do! The "gurl" fantasy would be destroyed!

Maybe, just maybe, one of these days... the TG will be reveled as the fetishists they are, the stolen narrative will be returned to the transsexuals and then perhaps we can figure out what is really going on with them so no child ever has to grow up with that curse on their shoulders!

Anonymous said...

Absolutely brilliant Dirt. Thank you for cutting through the bullshit and speaking the obvious truth that so few can see.

Trans"women" are men. said...

"since trans women are women".

I stopped reading your drivel right there. You're a mentally ill straight male with fetish.

Anonymous said...

"Face it, we are simply better at being women than you all are".

Then take your tranny ass and go make me a sandwich bitch! NOW. Be quick about it! And no back talk. And when I'm done with my sandwich you can service my cock and asshole. My asshole is a bit crusty but too bad..for you, doll.

Anonymous said...

January 17, 2013 at 3:58 PM
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the dreaded funfem with her usual simpering wail: "what about the menzzzz" "Waaaaa".

Anonymous said...

@ 1:20 PM

Sorry, what? Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, nor did you bother to read and understand what that link was about, either - tolerance, decency, and genuinely radical thinking, rather than the bigoted nonsense so many people are spouting here in the name of feminism.

All you could come up with was some silly baby-talk about 'menz'.

Maybe you should grow up and start thinking. The people you are dropping your hate on are real people whose lives are hard enough without people like your screaming they're not real.