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Wednesday, January 9, 2013

FTM Promotion of Top Surgery

From the FaceBook page of a trans female sex book author...note the charlatan "possible".

Trans females have hotly contested many times here that transition, in all its forms arent promoted in any way by those in or around the FTM community. The above is yet another reckless example of that promotion. Reckless because unlike testosterone which requires a prescription and has less permanent harmful effects, having one's breast hacked off IS permanent and requires only the funds to do so!

We are beginning to see more and more women in the 2-5 year transition phase realizing their mistakes, who are now detransitioning. Fortunately many of these women havent had top surgery because it didnt fit into their financial budgets. There is a deep fear by these women that they wont be accepted back into the lesbian community they so miss. Fears that have kept those that have had their breast removed from detransitioning. As a member of that precious community I can say lesbians arent only loving, we are also forgiving!

But clearly we can understand and sympathize with these very real fears. And the misogynistic promotion of breast removal isnt strictly something coming from inside the gates of the FTM community.


The Male Medical Machine is obviously also taking advantage of the deep female shame ransacking the lesbian community. I suggest we counter this self shaming promotion with our own positive promotion of the female body, specifically the lesbian body. It is not too late to save our lesbian youth from the society's sick homophobic reaction known as transition

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  1. I'll bet their "possible" way to fund it has to do with student loans. It seemed like every FtM freak under 40 on YouTube between 2007 and 2010 was a college student, and many of them admitted to cheating to get student loans in order to fund their "top surgery." I told one of them (CharlesAsher, which should be CharlesAsshole) that I wouldn't even respect a BIOLOGICAL MALE who went shirtless in almost every video, which is about all they can do with top surgery that they couldn't with a binder, and you know what her response was? She made a video calling me a REAL, BIG LOSER and even told me to "F off" at one point in it, because, "My vagina doesn't make me a woman," and, "You're an idiot for thinking that," etc. Well, my mom doesn't want me "cutting-off my breasts," and I like the way they feel, so THERE! I don't care what "community" thinks short hair and blue clothing make you a boy/man, like a bunch of stupid little 3-year-olds who've never seen anyone of the opposite sex naked, but I would rather be a WHOLE WOMAN than a COUNTERFEIT "MALE" any day of the week!

    Proud Butch Woman,
    Iris (Goddess of the Rainbow)

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  2. Notice how under "Procedure(s) of Interest" it says "Revision To Previous Top Surgery". If your first elective masectomy was botched and you didn't like the results, for the right price we can try to correct it. A surgeon or surgeon's assistant will call you. I wonder who they consider a surgeon's assistant, and what these surgeon's assistants have to say. The surgeon's assistants could just be a glorified name for a salesman. Hey, there is money to be make off the bodies of women.

    Making down payments on an elective masectomy with custom designed areola and nipple whittling....

    $2,500 down payment, and we can help you raise the rest....

    This is so very sad that it almost makes me want to cry.

    Has everyone seen this video? I posted this link several times.

    Dr. Daniel Medalie performs FtM top surgery (double incision mastectomy with nipple grafting)

    (DOUBLE INCISION MASTECTOMY WITH NIPPLE GRAFTING). THIS IS FTM "TOP SURGERY".

    http://www.surgerytheater.com/video/6423/Dr.%20Daniel%20Medalie%20performs%20FtM%20top%20surgery%20(double%20incision%20mastectomy%20with%20nipple%20grafting

    copy and paste link

    By the way, it's a fact that the nipple grafts sometimes don't take, and there is a possibility of losing a nipple. It has happened, and since they are literally cut off, resized, and sewn back on there is a real possibility of loss of sensation.

    It makes me had as hell because the trans community, specifically FTMs have repeatedly said that they never try to influence a person's decision to "transition" or to promote "transitioning". They are all lying through their teeth. They are promoting transitioning.

    BOOBS BE GONE!...Females begging online to get elective masectomies

    hey! you don't know me, but your sister(?) sent me a link to this video. i posted the video, and the link to your chipin on my blog, which has almost 125,000 readers. a great friend of mine is also trans, and i've helped him raise over $3,000 dollars. GOOD LUCK! you have all of my support."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byWXpz6R2zA

    Again, this is being promoted.

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  3. Dirt, this is from the UK. This doctor is a FTM herself.

    "Dr Richard Curtis, who was born Vanda Zadorozny, but had a sex change in 2005, is being investigated by the General Medical Council, after at least three separate complaints.

    The London-based GP is accused of prescribing sex change hormones “to several patients” that were not appropriate and also ignoring restrictions placed on his practice.

    In one case reportedly under investigation by the GMC, the doctors’ regulator, a woman complained she regretted undergoing treatment, which included having a double mastectomy and taking hormones.

    In another case, it was alleged Dr Curtis prescribed sex change drugs to patients under 18, without the specialist knowledge or skills to do so.

    It is alleged that Dr Curtis, who provides private treatment to patients pursuing “gender reassignment”, failed to follow accepted standards of care."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9784545/Dr-Richard-Curtis-transsexual-doctor-faces-investigation.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/06/transexualism-gender-reassignment-richard-curtis

    "A woman who alleges that she was inappropriately prescribed sex-changing hormones and then wrongly underwent a double mastectomy is one of several complaints being investigated by the General Medical Council about the doctor who oversaw her aborted gender reassignment, the Guardian has learned."

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  4. One of the most disturbing things about trans to me is that they hide the mutilation of healthy female bodies behind magical sounding words such as "top surgery" or "transitioning". "Top surgery" is essentially elective masectomies with the surgical trimming down of areolas and nipples. This is the reality of what occurs, but the violence being carried out on female bodies is cloaked behind special, magical sounding words such as "transitioning", "top surgery", or "chest masculanization".

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  5. Student loans for elective masectomies with nipple grafting ...very interesting...

    Why not student loans for ear piercing or nose jobs?

    http://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,59567.msg379810.html#msg379810

    Re: Anyone use a student loan to pay for top surgery?
    it's illegal, but that's not to say no one does it. it's pretty common.

    Do you mean loans that go to pay directly for your education? That money is sent directly from the lender to your school. You won't have a chance to spend that on surgery.

    Or do you mean loans that some students get to pay for other expenses you'll inure while in school, such as books, food, clothing? I've never had a loan like that, but I suppose you could spend that on surgery, legality notwithstanding. Check the terms of any loan like that to see if it might be allowed.

    Well, that may not work, but if you're getting loans you may get workstudy. Workstudy money does NOT have to pay for your education.

    Well here in the UK most students piss their loans up the wall!

    you should put that toward your schooling. (***One smart person out of ten)

    I know when I went to a top surgery meeting it was a popular way the guys funded their top surgery (probably half did or plan on using this method). The other popular method mentioned was credit cards.
    Myles

    Yup that's what I plan on doing. At my school they wrote the checks directly to me. I go to a school without dorms so it's supposed to be for paying rent, buying food, just normal living expenses but I've purposely not been spending much money so I can have that to help with surgery.

    Those loans were meant for you to get an education, so you can get a good job, and pay them off. (***Another smart person)

    Who said that because someone uses their money for surgery they're not going to get a good education?....I just fail to see the connection between someone using their loans for surgery and not being able to get a proper education. (***heck, there is nothing wrong it)

    http://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=121358.

    I know this has come up in the forum before and I read some of them- but no one commented if they actually did it.

    So I want to know- who used excess student loans for (top) surgery and how did it work out for you so far?

    I have put my extra student loan money in savings along with extra pay, so I can't say my surgery was paid for by just that, but I also can't say it wasn't since it all went into the same account. Kinda a stupid answer I know, but I just put money into the account, I don't keep track of every penny that goes in. I was lucky enough to get vacation pay while working another job that paid decently, so the extra paychecks were put into savings to help build it up.

    Even now I put extra in savings since it is not very much. I normally take a few months off in the fall, and that money helps make the payments back until I restart classes since I don't budget my student loans in my month bills while I am taking classes.

    I have no idea if people have done it before, but odds are some folks have.

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  6. To state that "top surgery" isn't being promoted by older transmen, plastic surgeons who advertise, youtube, "online gender therapists", and thousands of online trans blogs, is to ignore reality. The trans community likes to pretend "top surgery" and "transitioning" is not being promoted, but this flies in the face of common sense and reality. Not only is getting "top surgery" considered cool, there is no shortage of ways to fund it.

    If a person googles "top surgery" and "funding", there are about 10,600 hits.

    While some female breast cancer survivors would do anything to get their breasts back, there are transgender 501 (c) 3 groups that raise money specifically for elective mastectomies and other procedures. What a strange world we live in...

    "The Jim Collins Foundation, a 501(c)3 organization, raises funds to provide grants to transgender individuals who need, but cannot afford, gender-confirming surgery. “Our hard work is paying off,” says Tony Ferraiolo, one of the organization’s co-founders. “Friends, families, and allies have helped us to raise these funds, and with their help we are able to fulfill our mission by providing Drew with the surgery that he has long awaited.”

    http://jimcollinsfoundation.org/jim-collins-foundation-awards-its-first-grant-for-gender-confirming-surgery/

    Some go begging online..

    "I need money for top surgery. I miss being able to go swimming, and I'd like to be able to look down while in the shower and be okay with what I see. I also have plans to go to college next year, something I'm not going to be willing to do unless I get surgery first. College and education is very important to me, but College is also too expensive for me to be unable to focus on my studies because I'm worried about surgery. It waits until this is taken care of."


    "I'm Asher, almost 18, an aspiring artist, and transgender. Among other things, this means that around the age of 12 my body decided that my chest would be a good place to start storing fat. The only way to remedy this is an expensive surgery that insurance doesn't cover.

    I've set the end date further out because, well, unless a miracle happens I'm not going to be getting surgery within the next few months.

    I have some family support that I didn't have before and I'm scheduled to have surgery in early June now, and I have reason to believe it'll pan out as planned this time. I'd like to thank every single person who donated or spread my link around. :]

    All of the donated money will go towards my surgery costs."

    http://noshirtnoproblem.chipin.com/ashs-top-surgery-fund

    "Hey, there! My name is Brennan.

    I'm 20 years old, transgender, queer, and from upstate NY.

    If you have no idea what top surgery is - basically, I have boobs and I need to have them removed(!). I was assigned female at birth, but I identify as male and my chest makes me super uncomfortable. I have back issues to begin with, and they definitely don't help anything."

    http://www.gofundme.com/brennando

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  7. Ive noticed that alot of this "pressure" to transition comes from people themselves. I think there is a certain type of paranoid mentality that can come about from simply knowing that there *are* transmen in the world. Many "lesbians" seek out this information about transmen, transitioning, top surgery. You lurk on our sites, watch trans YouTube videos, read trans books and essays. Trans people make themselves pretty vulnerable when they share their lives and experiences, and you greedily ingest the information in order to critique it, then claim we are pressuring you to transition. In fact, it is entirely possible for you to live your lives happily without acknowledging our existence or having it pain you. YOU are responsible for your own life and what pressure you feel to transition. You are responsible for the amount of time you spend thinking about transmen, researching our lives, poring over materials meant for us, to support each other. YOU are responsible for figuring out why you engage in this rather than, say, hiking, fucking, going to the gym, getting a degree, or making art. YOU are responsible for making the decision to focus on transmen rather than incredibly necessary basic feminist issues such as rape and abortion. I'm calling you out. I'm challenging you to figure out what your relationship to this truly is. You must face yourselves at some point and question why you are using your one precious life to try and eliminate others' right to use their lives the way they do. Some portion of you will eventually transition, that I am sure of. Before you do that, I think it would behoove you to step outside of the victimhood mentality, because you won't be able to respect yourself as a man if you are constantly walking around being a little bitch and feeling "oppressed". Nobody is going to understand that or respect you. Men have all of a certain kind of power in this world, and you don't get to have that *and* get sympathy for being some kind of victim. Wake up. Now. Your body loses it's ability to respond to hormones as you age, so don't sleep on this for too long.

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  8. Re: the one who said, "If you can, try to get a second job, a good idea for a second job if you go to school is something such as babysitting,..."

    NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!! What normal woman would allow her child to be in the care of a self-loathing, probably boy-hating FREAK who is an EXTREME DANGER to either sex?!?!?!? She would be harmful to little girls because they might want to be like her, and if little boys knew how much the FtM hated them (esp. what they have down there), they might want to wear dresses and become "girls." Parents, PLEASE listen to me and don't EVER trust your children around the likes of CharlesAsher, ANFjace, ThatGabe, Tro23y, etc. on YouTube, as well as famous people like Chas/tity Bono and Mark Angelo Cummings!!! Look for short stature and a wide pelvis on a "male," then listen for the "male dwarf/LP voice."

    Proud Butch Woman,
    Iris (Goddess of the Rainbow)

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  9. I have a question for all of you. Why do you feel the need to control what us transmen do to our bodies, and yet it is likely you are pro-choice. I am not arguing for or against being pro-choice, simply pointing out that trying to control us transmen is just as ridiculous and degrading.

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  10. Okay, Iris,
    Who ever said transmen hate biological males? And let me remind you not long ago people were also worried about lesbians "teaching little girls to like girls" similar to how you are saying transmen might influence girls. I just don't understand why you people are so against transmen; its as if you feel like you're losing soldiers in your lesbian feminist army or something. Care to explain why you're not leaving us alone and minding your own business? If you ask the same of me, I am here simply to defend my community from hostile people like yourself.

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  11. Because lesbians aren't recruiting teens and butch women into such a disgusting, self-destructive lifestyle that ends in premature death and only INCREASES dysphoria!!! We also hate the way they so blindly buy into this idea that, if you don't fit into the "dumb beauty" stereotype of what a woman should be, then you're automatically a "man." Well, I disagree, because no matter WHAT I DO that is stereotypically "masculine," I am NOT a man!!! And neither are they.

    Proud Butch Woman,
    Iris (GoddESS of the Rainbow)

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  12. Wow. You are really an awful person, Iris. Everything you're saying has been said about gay men and women. And now you're passing that hatred and fear on to another group of people.

    Straight people thought gays were converting their kids too. Straight people thought that gays were self-hating and lived destructive lifestyles. They thought gays were child molesters and that they hated anyone who wasn't gay.

    None of that is true of the gay community.

    None of that is true of the trans community.

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  13. In the comment section of a post on this blog, I read the following statement:

    "It's up to you to decide if internalized misogyny plays a role in your transitioning. If that doesn't feel true to you, then it's not true."

    The anonymous poster obviously assumes that feelings cannot be "proved" wrong. Feelings, however, most certainly those feelings which involve issues of identity, are informed and shaped by underlying concepts - and these can be legitimately held up to scrutiny and thus proved to be flawed or problematic. In an attempt to deflect Dirt's critique of transgenderism, many trans people have stressed the point that they "have always felt this way" (i.e., "born in the wrong body"), some since they were as young as 3 years old, at a time of their lives, that is, when they could not possibly have critically reflected on any concepts. This, however, does not absolve them from the obligation to critically reflect on the trans concept when old enough to do so.

    We live in societies, be it the US, Germany where I live, India, or elsewhere, where women get raped every single day, many beaten, some killed, while men who would not "harm a fly" themselves downplay these crimes apologetically, sometimes employing biologistic behavioural modes of explanation, thereby contributing to the very climate in which sexual violence against women thrives (1). In a rape culture, in a world deeply engrained in misogyny / sexism and homophobia, the burden of proof is on those who claim transitioning is not informed by internalized misogyny / homophobia.

    But this blog is not a classroom or courtroom debate. And Dirt is most certainly not invalidating trans people's feelings, but instead is trying to help them understand what makes them feel the way they do, how feelings are corrupted and distorted by what Dirt aptly calls the Male Medical Machine, which is, I think, part of what may be called the scientistic paradigm of our culture.

    The prevalent medical approach to socially induced psychological "disorders" of all kinds, be it schizophrenia, autism, or body dysphoria (2), leaves those who suffer no choice but to interpret their feelings in the light, or rather the shadow, of it – unless they have the autonomy necessary to begin to see through it.

    (1)see "Let Us Now Excuse Famous Men: Schwarzenegger, Strauss-Kahn and Male Entitlement" (May 2011) on this blog
    (2) see "Psychiatry's Illegitimacy" (Aug. 2012) on this blog

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  14. @ Karin

    "In the comment section of a post on this blog, I read the following statement:

    "It's up to you to decide if internalized misogyny plays a role in your transitioning. If that doesn't feel true to you, then it's not true."

    The anonymous poster obviously assumes that feelings cannot be "proved" wrong. Feelings, however, most certainly those feelings which involve issues of identity, are informed and shaped by underlying concepts - and these can be legitimately held up to scrutiny and thus proved to be flawed or problematic. In an attempt to deflect Dirt's critique of transgenderism, many trans people have stressed the point that they "have always felt this way" (i.e., "born in the wrong body"), some since they were as young as 3 years old, at a time of their lives, that is, when they could not possibly have critically reflected on any concepts. This, however, does not absolve them from the obligation to critically reflect on the trans concept when old enough to do so.

    We live in societies, be it the US, Germany where I live, India, or elsewhere, where women get raped every single day, many beaten, some killed, while men who would not "harm a fly" themselves downplay these crimes apologetically, sometimes employing biologistic behavioural modes of explanation, thereby contributing to the very climate in which sexual violence against women thrives (1). In a rape culture, in a world deeply engrained in misogyny / sexism and homophobia, the burden of proof is on those who claim transitioning is not informed by internalized misogyny / homophobia."

    Thank you for this brilliant insight.

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  15. Anon (January 13, 2013 3:13 AM):

    I will put aside, as unworthy of sustained attention, that the comment from which I quoted was a copy-and-paste job that had been posted elsewhere on this blog – and on this thread twice – and, far from seriously engaging with anything Dirt has written, was obviously meant to function as a spurious ''warning'' to new readers, so as to prejudice them against Dirt from the outset.

    What I would like to say is this: given that this is Dirt's blog, that she moderates comments as she sees fit is completely irrelevant to the soundness of her critique of transitioning, which is grounded not on the invalidation of anyone's dysphoria, but simply on an alternative, that is, socio-political as opposed medical, explanation thereof. On the other hand, trans people's legitimate call to have their feelings recognized is to be disentangled from their logically separate and distinct claim for trans ideology to be accepted as sound, medical model presuppositions and all, notwithstanding some trans people's (mis)use of their feelings as a way of silencing criticism of the concept of transitioning.

    I'd be curious to see a response in kind, a serious engagement with Dirt's points – not the unsubtle declamations of resentment that her posts frequently incur from some trans people. Maybe you – or some other commenter – can provide a link to such a substantive response?

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  16. I'll bite, Karin.

    With trans people, there is a wide variety of difference in thoughts, opinions and personal experience, much like with feminists.

    The trans people that come here in rigid defence are the ones that have come out of the grinder into "normalcy". They don't preach any bizzare narrative, they don't pander to the trans "groupthink" that the internet makes look like it's an actual thing. They walk out into the world, ready and able to participate in a way that they never could before.

    They encounter sites like this through various avenues. (I myself discovered it while browsing the LGBT tag on tumblr, linking to "transphobic" blog. The word "transphobia" really cracks me up, but that's a story for another day.) They want to jump to the defence because what Dirt is talking about is not THEIR experience, and therefore Dirt must be wrong. She isn't flat-out wrong, but she also presents her view in blacks and whites. We all know that there are plenty of shades of grey between them (50 apparently) where the vast majority of people and their opinions actually fall.

    I would love to be able to pursue a critical discussion of transitioning (I am m2t). However this space is not the most appropriate for it since only one side of the discussion is presented, fostered and free from deletion. Both sides need to be able to put aside and work through their anger -- which is only being fostered here as comments are deleted and viewpoints that agree with Dirt's dogma are treasured.

    If you can suggest a place where we can discussion transition in an environment free from hatred, anger and deletion, I'm all ears.

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  17. Instead of going through all the pain and expense of having top surgery, why not just call them Breasticles?

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  18. Dirt, you do realize that there is a difference between butch lesbians and trans men, right? Sexual orientation and gender identity are separate things. And yes, while there are (statistically, very few) people who choose to detransition, that doesn't mean that every trans person is going to want to later on. and if they do, that's their choice! so what if it was a phase for them? Childhood is a phase, but its no less important to a person's life or development than any other phase.

    As a lesbian and a feminist, I suspect that you are Pro-Choice, and are familiar with "keep your legislation off my body" and "My body my choice". Why is this so different? Many women struggle to even get their tubes tied without having children first. Considering that so many people view trans men as women, do you really think it's such an easy process to transition?

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