Change Your World-NOT your Body

Saturday, December 1, 2012

Trans Trending-Who is Transitioning



 http://www.youtube.com/user/loser919100 (Age 18)

http://www.youtube.com/user/NerdyEmoTv (Age 17)


http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRealAaronMichael (Age 15)

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgc4qyhU3eB-1E9j-8wc51Q (Age 18)

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXK2AMkoct416EOa-tv98rA (Age 14)

http://www.youtube.com/user/MyTransLife0128 (Age 17)

http://www.youtube.com/user/EbonyDayArmy (Age 15)

http://www.youtube.com/user/allioette (Age 19)

http://www.youtube.com/user/YourManDusty (16)


In the early days of female transition, women who sought medical help for their self hating struggles were diagnosed by the medical community with GID (Gender Identity Disorder) and prescribed transition as a cure for their dysphoria. Dysphoria/shame around very specific areas of the body (breasts/hips/vag) were always present in these women. Post Queer Theory, the Trans Politic is the thing informing dysphoria to a greater degree than dysphoria informing GID i.e. the road to transition.

Post Queer Theory i.e. the popularity of all things trans, there has been a drastic shift among females (mostly lesbian) being diagnosed with GID. The shift is not simply the faulty diagnosis being made, but equally if not more importantly what exactly is informing the dysphoria claims made by young trans females. Namely other purported trans females via popular internet sites, rather than any core body dysphoria!

Within trans borders and behind closed doors there is a steady hum of voices droning out until they ventured into murky trans waters that they had never suffered from dysphoria. They are binding their young breast, not because they find their breast abhorrent, BUT because binding is part of the trans repertoire. The same can be said of pronoun changes, hair cuts, clothing choices, medical interventions, a repertoire derived from and dictated by the popularity female transition! They are using a trans script in order to get their "script" and either a naive or ignorant medical community is providing prescriptions/surgeries based on that much rehearsed trans script.

It is understandable that young women, especially young lesbians feel uncomfortable amid hetero patriarchy and hyper feminine demands, but changing themselves and influencing others to do likewise changes nothing.


The brave dare to change their world, not themselves. Be brave young lesbians, be brave!

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  1. "The brave dare to change their world, not themselves."

    How True!

    Some of these fifteen and sixteen year old girls are already talking about "T" (testosterone). It's so sad to me.

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  2. Stop telling people how to identify. I am not a lesbian. I am transgender and bisexual. Stop trying to shame people into being something they're not.

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  3. Your "Who's transitioning" posts always sadden me. Whenever I see them I feel like I'm at a wake and the kids don't even realize they've died.

    Thank you Dirt for bringing our attention to this cultural nightmare. I continue to have great love and respect for you. Being the messenger is a difficult and scorned job.

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  4. I'm MtF so I'm hardly a card carrying member of this space, however I do find it interesting to note that social pressures do in fact have a huge impact on young people choosing to transition.

    For my own part, I had suffered from some sort of deep identity dissatisfaction for a long time. Upon exposure to transgender rhetoric and peer narratives, I found that my personal views evolved substantially.

    I elected for full transition, and live now as a woman, however I often wonder whether or not adopting an effeminate and androgynous male presentation would have been enough to obtain identity satisfaction.

    Unfortunately, we as a species have this huge need to label and claim membership with a label. There's something disturbing about being out there "alone," and I've found that I constantly struggle to be a part of some greater human truth and fellowship. Choosing to relate to the world as trans is easy, but choosing to be exactly, authentically *you* is so much more difficult.

    Insightful post.

    JJM

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  5. "Stop telling people how to identify. I am not a lesbian. I am transgender and bisexual. Stop trying to shame people into being something they're not."

    In all honesty, I could care less if a female is bisexual, heterosexual, asexual, pansexual, or lesbian.

    As to being trans, I don't deny the existence of gender non-conforming people. I just don't think they need to surgically alter their breasts or genitals, or take an exogenous source of cross gender hormones. I don't think being female is a disease and transitioning is a panacea for all that ails us.

    By the way, not all people who rebel against traditional sex roles wish to be called trans. We didn't invent the so-called "trans umbrella", and not everyone wants to be tossed under this umbrella term. You claim that Dirt is "trying to shame people into being something they're not." Trans identified people invented this term called the "Trans Umbrella" and threw any and all gender non-conforming people past and present under this trans umbrella. There is no butch lesbian umbrella that I'm aware of.

    As for me, I'm a butch lesbian and I'm not transgender and I'm not bisexual. I like to think of myself as an original gender outlaw of sorts.

    Again, being bisexual is fine with me if this is how you define yourself and if that makes you truly happy. One of my best female friends is bisexual, and I completely respect her choice and sexual preferrence.

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  6. "As to being trans, I don't deny the existence of gender non-conforming people. I just don't think they need to surgically alter their breasts or genitals, or take an exogenous source of cross gender hormones. I don't think being female is a disease and transitioning is a panacea for all that ails us."

    Well, as far as I am aware, nobody I've actually believes that or preaches it to others. The only people that I know of who subscribe to that idea are the straw men that dirt loves to hate.

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  7. @ 3:04 AM

    Trans people don't call all gender non-conforming people trans. The trans umbrella is for people who want to identify as trans. It's not forcing an identity on anyone.

    Of course there is a butch lesbian umbrella. The umbrella concept is just a way of saying there's a variety of people who can fit under a general term. There are different kinds of people who identify as butch lesbians, and they can all fall under the butch lesbian umbrella.

    You are aware that the umbrella is not a real thing, right? It's a metaphor.

    We also don't think that "transitioning is a panacea for all that ails us." Transitioning is about dealing with specific issues, and is not appropriate for everyone. It's definitely not appropriate for people who are born as female and identify as female.

    We transgendered people don't want you to change your gender or sexual identity. We would like Dirt to please stop questioning our identities and our choices. Is that unfair of us?

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  8. Something my friend said that I think is relevant:

    "this is tough because TRANSITIONING is a choice, but being transgender is not. It’s something that cis people see as a conscious choice, and many of them see it as totally self-indulgent.

    I don’t really have any advice on this, since I feel bad about the people in my life who think I’m being self-absorbed for the next couple years.

    I guess people just think we should live with the unhappiness, the way they live with unhappiness about their small boobs or uncut penis or wrinkly knees or whatever it is that they don’t like about themselves. The problem is that those things don’t cause people to treat you like a person you are not."

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  9. Did you know 50% of gid is cured by taking tegratol because all some of these people have is BPD its nothing to do with hating their body . True transsexualism is not common just my opinion .

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  10. You can look it up GID connected to BPD .

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  11. Visual Images of the Trans Umbrella...

    "Of course there is a butch lesbian umbrella. The umbrella concept is just a way of saying there's a variety of people who can fit under a general term. There are different kinds of people who identify as butch lesbians, and they can all fall under the butch lesbian umbrella.

    You are aware that the umbrella is not a real thing, right? It's a metaphor."

    Well, what can I say. This does get very interesting. I know what a metaphor is, but I've never seen a graphic representation of a butch lesbian umbrella. Is this individual aware that butch lesbians have a unique history and culture that proceeds the creation of the "Transgender Umbrella"?

    (1.) Please take note of the TRANSGENDER UMBRELLA. SEE, IT'S A GRAPHIC OF AN UMBRELLA. Indeed, it's a rather large image of a big umbrella with the words "Transgender Umbrella" on it which seems to be shielding different groups of people from what appears to be raindrops.

    http://transaustin.com/terms-and-concepts/the-trans-umbrella/

    Perhaps Native Americans or First Nation peoples don't want to the under this umbrella. Did anyone ask all the individual indigenous tribes?

    Perhaps all intersex people don't want to be under the is umbrella.

    Did eunuchs really see themselves as transgender? How many eunuchs volunteered for castration?

    I noticed that "Masculine Women" was under the graphic of the Transgender Umbrella. Please explain to me what "masculine women" means?

    On the bottom of this graphic of an umbrella, are the following words:

    "Encompasses any individual who crosses over or challenges their society's traditional gender roles and/or expressions."

    Please notice that the word "any" is underlined.

    This certainly seems to me to be a grossly inaccurate assumption.

    (2.) Here is another link to a watermarked graphic of an umbrella. The umbrella graphic isn't as easily identifiable as the first umbrella, but it's there in the background.

    www.campuspride.net/wp-content/uploads/TransUmbrella.pdf

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  12. If you want a graphic of a butch lesbian umbrella, make one. Umbrella refers to a term that can include several other things. That's it. The fact that some people have drawn pictures for things doesn't mean that your identity is being insulted or left off.

    Seriously. This is what you spend your time stressing over?

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  13. Why does Dirt keep hurting people like me?

    You say she's trying to help. But I don't see any evidence of her helping anyone.

    I feel the pain she has caused me.

    I see the pain she causes others.

    Please stop hurting us.

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  14. December 2, 2012 7:34 PM

    Wow get a life, its a graphic a single person produced to give a visual representation of the kinds of people who CAN fall under the trans umbrella.
    It isn't a legal document, it isn't written in stone, its a fucking graphic.

    Go talk to someone about your victim complex.

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  15. December 2, 2012 8:00 PM
    She isn't hurting you, don't like it don't look at it.
    Seriously, I'm transgender too but damn stop being a little bitch.

    To the idiot at December 2, 2012 7:34 PM

    Your argument is like someone making an umbrella graphic with the word "feminist" above it, and then listing all the kind of terms that can relate to feminism under it, and then someone crying that the words "human rights activists" shouldn't be under there because they are human rights activists and their not feminists.

    In other words, its a stupid argument, stop using it, you look silly.

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  16. It rains alot where I live, but no one uses umbrellas. People think they are too cool. I'm one of those people. I don't use an umbrella, I prefer to just get wet and then dry off. Umbrellas are awkward, and sometimes they try to blow away, or the stays break in half. Then, you leave them at the restaurant or in the dog-grooming place, and there's another 11 bucks down the drain. Did James Bond ever have an umbrella that shot poison darts? I could really use one of those types of umbrellas.

    This message has been brought to you by This Whole Discussion Is Stupid and So Are You.

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  17. "This message has been brought to you by This Whole Discussion Is Stupid and So Are You"

    If you are December 2, 2012 7:34 PM
    Is this your attempt to get out of admitting you were wrong?

    The discussion isn't stupid, but it is pathetic that the intelligent people in the discussion have to explain to December 2, 2012 7:34 PM what an umbrella term is.

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  18. I've seen dirt herself mention (i think specifically IN these trans-trending posts) that not only are the people she is profiling not Trans, but many times they arent even *butch* so dirt herself must believe in a butch umbrella where she gets to decide if a person is butch enough to be called butch. isnt butch a self identity? who gets to say who is butch and who is trans but the person themself?

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  19. There's a gay umbrella too, where gay people go around calling gender-variant people gay when they aren't. Straight butch women, trans people etc, effeminate straight men. Those people are not gay, because sexuality is a whole different thing than gender. That's something that doesn't seem to get addressed here. Stop pressuring them to "come out" because it's hard enough for them to be who they are and to be going against the grain.

    Also, butches are always complaining about feeling left out, ignored, rolled over by the trans thing. Like they were all supposed to get a prize for their butch identities. Make up your minds. Do you want us to ignore you or invite you in to look at your gender too? Some butches are so fucking touchy, I don't see why anyone would bother with ya. Who cares *what* you are except you?

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  20. It makes me sick to see these children being pressured into believing they should "transition."
    They all need to do a little more growing up.
    Hold off on that "decision" ten or fifteen years, I bet you don't do it. You see life differently when you aren't a child anymore.

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  21. @amy tolliver, i waited 10 years to medically transition and i still did it. i was pretty confident at 17 that transition was what i needed to do, but held off on making such a huge life change until i was 27. while yes i did see life differently at 27 i still knew that medically transtioning was right for me. 3 years later and i still know it was right. also no one pressured me into anything. not at 17, not at 27 and not at 30. but i do agree that sometimes people jump into the deep end rather quickly and should make sure that what they are doing is right for them.

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  22. Why is it everyone on here has such strong opinions yet all you ftm's aren't "man" enough to say who you are and you have to be anonymous?

    Thank you to the few who don't post anonymously.

    Pretend to grow a pair and stop hiding.

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  23. hey amy, maybe we dont want dirt hunting us down and plastering our faces and information on her hate-filled blog. i give you credit for being so clever with your "man" and "grow a pair" word play. kudos to you!

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  24. I would think you should be loud and proud. Instead it kind of sounds like you're ashamed.

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  25. im not ashamed at all, just not really a fan of being outted and judged by a bunch of people that dont know anything about me. I dont try and deny who or what i am but its up to me when/where and who i disclose it to. but you can go on and think what you will, no sweat off my non existent balls. cheers

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  26. Some people are loud and proud, others choose not to be- others don't want to disclose the fact that they're transgender, and that's a choice. You can sometimes do a bit of both, but whether they're open about it or not, in a case like this, people are allowed to express their opinions because it effects them.

    It's like saying on a forum of white supremacists than the african american posters shouldn't be anonymous. And yeah, I related racism to this, because whilst race and gender aren't the same thing, it's a relatable situation.

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  27. "It makes me sick to see these children being pressured into believing they should "transition."
    They all need to do a little more growing up.

    Hold off on that "decision" ten or fifteen years, I bet you don't do it. You see life differently when you aren't a child anymore."

    This sounds like wise advice to me. The prefrontal cortex of the human brain isn't fully developed until the early twenties. The pre-frontal cortex has been commonly called the judgment center of the brain. Most moms instinctively know their teenagers think they know everything, but really lack common sense and good judgment.

    As to these fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen year old teenagers who are already starting to bind their breasts, and can't wait to go on "T" (testosterone), they feel insecure and different, but do they really understand how to deal with all these feelings?

    Again, wise advice.

    The prefrontal cortex, the part of the frontal lobes lying just behind the forehead, is often referred to as the “CEO of the brain.” This brain region is responsible for cognitive analysis and abstract thought, and the moderation of “correct” behavior in social situations. The prefrontal cortex takes in information from all of the senses and orchestrates thoughts and actions to achieve specific goals.

    The prefrontal cortex is one of the last regions of the brain to reach maturation. This delay may help to explain why some adolescents act the way they do. The so-called “executive functions” of the human prefrontal cortex include:

    •Focusing attention
    •Organizing thoughts and problem solving
    •Foreseeing and weighing possible consequences of behavior
    •Considering the future and making predictions
    •Forming strategies and planning
    •Ability to balance short-term rewards with long term goals
    •Shifting/adjusting behavior when situations change
    •Impulse control and delaying gratification
    •Modulation of intense emotions
    •Inhibiting inappropriate behavior and initiating appropriate behavior
    •Simultaneously considering multiple streams of information when faced with complex and challenging information

    This brain region gives an individual the capacity to exercise “good judgment” when presented with difficult life situations. Brain research indicating that brain development is not complete until near the age of 25, refers specifically to the development of the prefrontal cortex.

    http://www.hhs.gov/opa/familylife/tech_assistance/etraining/adolescent_brain/Development/prefrontal_cortex/

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  28. Amy, stop being a toss pot, who says what isn't important, its the content that matters, grow the fuck up.

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  29. Most of those chicks, and none of them pass, are just ugly chicks who think being an ugly dude is easier. Do they honestly think anyone is going to date their ugly fat asses?

    "Why does Dirt keep hurting people like me?"

    LOL. Too damn funny.

    Waaaaa.

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  30. Nothing says love like costochondritis...

    "Costochondritis -an Inflamation of the ribs. The person who developed this condition also stated that after 6 years of binding his chest is completely deformed (the ribs are compressed into his lungs) and his doctor has great fear from the pockets of muscles that have shifted. (he only used underworks binders"

    http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10254

    Many of the adolescent girls in these www.youtube videos are already starting to bind their female breasts, or they are talking about getting a binder. If they really wanted to, they could buy a binder online. Since binders compress the rib cage, and adolescent skeletons and bodies are still developing, why risk mis-aligning ribs? If we start girls binding when they are fifteen or sixteen and they bind for five years, six years, or even ten years, how does the long term use of binders impact their developing bones and bodies? It does seem logical to conclude that the younger girls start to flatten their breasts and constrict their ribcage and internal organs, the greater the risk. Below is a website that gives free used binders to girls under the age of 21. Please note that it says, "Age: All of our binders are sent to youth ages 21 and younger'. Does this mean that thirteen year old girls can get a free used binder?


    "In a Bind" is a project of TransActive's Community Education program.. We collect pre-owned chest binders from guys who don't need them anymore and donate them to trans-masculine youth in need.


    "Age: All of our binders are sent to youth ages 21 and younger. See the side panel for organizations that serve adults.What is a binder and why would someone need one? A chest binder is used to flatten and conceal breasts. Many trans masculine and genderqueer people assigned female at birth naturally go through female puberty and develop breasts. This can cause extreme discomfort and body dysphoria and can also pose a safety issue when presenting as male.

    Why does "In a Bind" focus on youth?

    Youth represent the most overlooked members of the trans community. They often don't have a voice or money of their own. If they don't have a supportive family and at least moderate financial means, it can be almost impossible for them to obtain a new binder on their own. "In a Bind" strives to create a feeling of "taking care of our own" within the trans adult community by giving them the opportunity to help these young people."

    http://www.inabind.transactiveonline.org/index.php


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  31. In a Bind Used Binder Program because nothing says love like costochondritis continued...

    Are these people who give used binders to teenage girls aware that binding for long stretches of time can mis-align ribs and cause other health problems. The bodies of these girls are developing. So, let's make them feel further ashamed of their bodies by hiding their female breasts from view, get them in the habit of binding, and possibly deform their ribs.

    1.Small vessel damage and tissue injury
    2.Bruising and fracturing of ribs
    3.Lung Collapse
    4.Spinal (back) problems
    5.Low blood flow to the heart (could result in a heart attack)
    6.decreased lung capacity (lungs only functioning to 30 and 40 %)
    7.Decreased blood flow in the lymph nodes in the breast area. This could cause clots, damage to your circulation and lead to lymphatic cancer due to the bacteria build up and clogging of the lymph-nodes.
    8.There have been reports about clots, blood clots and lack or circulation causing numbness and permanent loss of sensation in the breast/chest area.

    http://theartoftransition.net/chest-binding-dangers-ftm-transition/


    "It has been common when the topic of binding is first introduced to a transgendered male (or sometimes to an androgynous person should they be interested in the process) to ask or be asked "what possible dangers are there in doing this. "

    By and large the main problems that many of us have cited or cautioned against have been not to bind too tightly or for more than roughly 9 hours consecutively because of the risk of pain, constricted breathing , and the posibility of developing pneumonia because of the constriction.

    Until now.

    Very recently, (two nights ago) I had the opportunity to hear (and most of these were first hand from fellas who unfortunately developed these problems) a much more detailed and extensive list of possible dangers . I'm sorry , but when I know about it you know about it. Esp if I think it may help any of you not have these problems. Some of these were rather serious. And I would feel wrong to hear it and not share it.


    These primarily result from improper binding (ace bandages, neophrene back braces, other items not intended to compress the ribs and lungs) and long term binding (not just number of consecutive hours, but binding over the course of years).

    These perhaps should ESPECIALLY be taken into consideration by teen transmen who's bones are not finished developing and are not completely hardened. If your mother took a pair of scissors to your binder, she might have had a reason.....


    •bruising and fracturing of ribs

    •pulmonary (lung ) problems

    •small vessel damge and tissue injury

    •back issues

    •low blood flow to the heart resulting in a mild heart attack

    •decreased lung compacity (lungs only functioning to 30 and 40 %)

    •binding, according to one doctor tends to throw clots out and in turn can be yet another (in addition to that low blood flow) cause of heart attacks

    •Costochondritis -an Inflamation of the ribs. The person who developed this condition also stated that after 6 years of binding his chest is completly deformed (the ribs are compressed into his lungs) and his doctor has great fear from the pockets of muscles that have shifted. (he only used underworks binders)

    •cut of the blood flow through the lymph-nodes in the breast area. This could cause clots, damage to your circulation and lead to lymphatic cancer due to the bacteria build up and clogging of the lymph-nodes. There have been reports about clots, blood clots and lack or circulation causing numbness and permanent loss of sensation in the breast/chest area

    http://www.lauras-playground.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10254


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  32. Most of those chicks, and none of them pass, are just ugly chicks who think being an ugly dude is easier. Do they honestly think anyone is going to date their ugly fat asses?

    "Why does Dirt keep hurting people like me?"

    LOL. Too damn funny.

    Waaaaa.

    NO, this rather demented person is WRONG! ALL GIRLS ARE BEAUTIFUL JUST THE WAY THEY ARE.

    GIRLS, YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL, INTELLIGENT, POWERFUL, AND AWESOME BEYOND BELIEF, AND DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU OTHERWISE.

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  33. "There's a gay umbrella too, where gay people go around calling gender-variant people gay when they aren't."


    I identify as lesbian, and I've NEVER in my life tried to persuade my straight or bisexual female friends to become lesbian. Indeed, it's usually the other way around in that there is enormous pressure put on females to be heterosexual.


    Unfortunately, there is an element of truth in the perception that gender non-conforming people are gay or lesbian. However, this is NOT the fault of gay men and lesbians. Society uses the dreaded lesbian label to frighten and herd gender non-conforming girls into femininity and heterosexuality. For example, girls who excel at sports, refuse to wear dresses all the time, and are too busy studying to have a steady boyfriend are often called "lez", "dyke", or butch. The dreaded "L" as in "lez" label stings. It's repeated time and time again in grade school and high school. Sweet, sensitive boys are often called "fag".

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  34. "Most of those chicks, and none of them pass, are just ugly chicks who think being an ugly dude is easier. Do they honestly think anyone is going to date their ugly fat asses?"

    Probably someone as ugly and hate filled as you...then again, I am sure those trans guys have much better class!

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  35. "Most of those chicks, and none of them pass, are just ugly chicks who think being an ugly dude is easier. Do they honestly think anyone is going to date their ugly fat asses?"

    Hilarious. It's likely you who has the fat ass. I look *damn* good and I've never had a problem getting a date, but I'm married now. Suck it, pissant.

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  36. When you look at the trans umbrella graphic you can see that anybody that society doesn't see as a real woman or real man falls under it. That's what's so attractive about the trans* community, in it nobody sees you as a failure for not fitting in gender stereotypes, actually, it's why they accept you as one of them in the first place. Nowadays, you don't even have to have surgery or take hormones to be trans. Just identify as trans and you will get a whole community that lets you be yourself and doesn't make you feel like a failure. I understand it, it just seems so easier to identify as trans* than continue to feel like a failed woman

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  37. http://transaustin.com/terms-and-concepts/the-trans-umbrella/

    "Wow get a life, its a graphic a single person produced to give a visual representation of the kinds of people who CAN fall under the trans umbrella. It isn't a legal document, it isn't written in stone, its a fucking graphic.

    Go talk to someone about your victim complex."

    Native American, intersex people, lesbians, feminists, "masculine women" (whatever that means), and any woman who wore pants or men's clothing in the 1700s... is there anything that transgender has NOT co-opted?

    (1.) I noticed that a string from this "Transgender Umbrella" holds a feather with the words "Two Spirit" on it. Why do Christian Caucasian transgender identified people who live in the year 2012 feel so comfortable having a feather (stereotypical Native image) with the words "Two Spirit" dangling from their "Transgender Umbrella"? To me, it seems like cultural appropriation coming from white Christians who have no drop of Native or First Nation blood. The cultural appropriation of indigenous people by various groups in western society is so rampant as to be common place. Since a feather (stereotypical Western image of Native peoples) is dangling from the "Transgender Umbrella" with the words "Two Spirit", does this mean that transgender groups are experts in Native culture?

    I'm Choctaw/Cherokee and I identify as butch lesbian. I don't identify as transgender, and I don't want to be under the "Transgender Umbrella". Before dangling a feather from the "Transgender Umbrella", perhaps we need to ask the elders of all the tribes. They are the repository of knowledge and wisdom.

    (2.) I can say with all certainty that some intersex individuals do not want to be under the "Transgender Umbrella".

    Nicky: I have been harassed, bullied and intimidated by many Transwomen from Zoe Alan Brain to every transwomen on the internet for speaking up against them and against their incursion into the Intersex community. Zoe Alan Brain has harassed me every time I’ve post a response to his crap. I have even been harassed, bullied, threatened online by trans activist and their trans supporters including a trans supporter by the name of Graeme Stephen Tucker

    http://cherryblossomlife.com/2012/06/11/intersex-community-unite-with-radfems-against-the-transsexual-empire/

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  38. Co-opting intersex...it's under the Transgender Umbrella...look at the graphic

    Intersex are actual medical conditions. As I understand it, the majority of transgender identified individuals are either biological males or females who do not have any of the medical conditions listed at the Intersex Society of North America's website.

    "What is the difference between transgender and transsexual and having an intersex condition?

    "People who identify as transgender or transsexual are usually people who are born with typical male or female anatomies but feel as though they’ve been born into the “wrong body.” For example, a person who identifies as transgender or transsexual may have typical female anatomy but feel like a male and seek to become male by taking hormones or electing to have sex reassignment surgeries.

    People who have intersex conditions have anatomy that is not considered typically male or female. Most people with intersex conditions come to medical attention because doctors or parents notice something unusual about their bodies. In contrast, people who are transgendered have an internal experience of gender identity that is different from most people.

    Many people confuse transgender and transsexual people with people with intersex conditions because they see two groups of people who would like to choose their own gender identity and sometimes those choices require hormonal treatments and/or surgery. These are similarities. It’s also true, albeit rare, that some people who have intersex conditions also decide to change genders at some point in their life, so some people with intersex conditions might also identify themselves as transgender or transsexual.

    In spite of these similarities, these two groups should not be and cannot be thought of as one. The truth is that the vast majority of people with intersex conditions identify as male or female rather than transgender or transsexual. Thus, where all people who identify as transgender or transsexual experience problems with their gender identity, only a small portion of intersex people experience these problems.

    It’s also important to understand the differences between these two groups because in spite of some similarities they face many different struggles, including different forms of discrimination. The differences between transgender and transsexual and intersex have been understood by lawmakers in countries such as Australia where lawmakers have publicly acknowledged that people with intersex conditions have distinct needs from people who identify as transgender or transsexual."

    http://www.isna.org/faq/transgender

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  39. Is there anything that transgender hasn't co-opted?

    (3.) Again, how do we define "masculine women"? I noticed that "Masculine Women" was under the graphic of the Transgender Umbrella. Please explain to me what "masculine women" means?

    (4.) On the bottom of this graphic of an umbrella, are the following words:

    "Encompasses any individual who crosses over or challenges their society's traditional gender roles and/or expressions."

    Why is the word "any" underlined as in "any individual who crosses over or challenges their society's traditional gender roles and/or expressions."? Butch lesbians have a distinct culture separate from transgender, and we definitely challenge society's traditional gender roles and/or expressions.

    In my opinion, it is the embodiment of cultural appropriation and co-option to throw every individual who rebels against traditional sex roles both past and present under the Transgender Umbrella. Transgender even has the audacity to co-opt the word lesbian and appropriate it for its own use. They are shameless in doing so. For example, according to trans logic, even biological male transwomen with intact penises can be called lesbian.

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  40. "When you look at the trans umbrella graphic you can see that anybody that society doesn't see as a real woman or real man falls under it. That's what's so attractive about the trans* community, in it nobody sees you as a failure for not fitting in gender stereotypes, actually, it's why they accept you as one of them in the first place. Nowadays, you don't even have to have surgery or take hormones to be trans. Just identify as trans and you will get a whole community that lets you be yourself and doesn't make you feel like a failure. I understand it, it just seems so easier to identify as trans* than continue to feel like a failed woman."

    I AM A FEMALE human who came into this world from the womb of a woman. What is so repulsive about being female?

    What is a "failed woman"?

    " I understand it, it just seems so easier to identify as trans* than continue to feel like a failed woman."

    "Just identify as trans and you will get a whole community that lets you be yourself and doesn't make you feel like a failure."

    That is, except for lesbians who don't like penis. Did this person ever hear of the "Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling Workshop: Breaking Down Sexual Barriers for Queer Transwomen"? Lesbians needed to learn to accept the lady stick (slang word for a transwoman's penis) whether we like it or not.

    "Just identify as trans and you will get a whole community that lets you be yourself and doesn't make you feel like a failure."

    If 17 year old girls don't want to see 45 year old men expose their penis while they are changing, there must be something wrong the girls. The girls on the high school swim team just don't understand. Google Collen Francis.

    "Nowadays, you don't even have to have surgery or take hormones to be trans."

    If this is true, then why even give children puberty suppressing drugs? If this is true, then why are there still people wanting to "transition" (surgical removal of both healthy breasts, testosterone)?



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  41. It's the epitome of self grandeur and pure delusion to assume that trans identified people are the only humans both past and present who ever stepped outside the boundaries of traditional sex roles. In many ways, transgender only props up traditional sex roles. If gender were eliminated altogether, where would transgender be? Transgender would be irrelevant because gender would be irrelevant. Second wave feminist knew this. Male to female transsexuals are not female. They only mimic the sex-based stereotypes of femininity, or the way society says women should appear. I've never met a transwoman who doesn't wear more makeup than most straight heterosexual women. They will even teach transwomen how to stand in a womanly way (you can't make this **it up).

    THE S CURVE....STANDING IN A FEMININE WAY.....

    "Lets begin with how to STAND, in a feminine, sensual way. I am most often asked by those who have studied my Vol 1 DVD—to please explain again– how to stand and sit in an S-Curve. Review Vol 1 but herewith a short review. Most men stand linear, and they generally do not use much hand movement (except shaking hands, waving or crossing their arms) so we want to break out of the linear by using what I created called the S-Curve to look casual, sensual, sexy, or really sensual."

    http://femimage.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/feminine-movement-for-tg-women-by-denae-doyle-of-femimage/

    By the way, the entire background on this website is pink....just for girls and women.

    Transwomen even get "facial feminization" so that their facial features will resemble the way society says desirable and attractive ladies should look like.

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  42. @ anon 4:16
    There is no such thing as a failed woman, either you're born a woman or you're not. It's SOCIETY that tells me and woman like me that we are failed women. I wish I could get up every morning and just be the butch woman that I am and be happy about it, but I can't because my family, my friends and coworkers and everybody around me are constantly trying make me feel bad for being so "unfeminine".
    I'm not part of the trans community and I'm not an ally either,but i understand what's so attractive about the trans identity. Within this community, you always get the message that there is no "trans enough", but in mainstream society there is a "woman enough" and according to it, me and every woman like me, is failing the test.
    I definitely don't support men calling themselves women and showing their dick to little girls.
    When it comes to not needing surgery or hormones, that how it works WITHIN the trans community, parents of "transkids" are not part of it. Also, there is different levels of internalized misogyny in different female transtrenders, for some it goes to the point of hating their female anatomy, but not for all.

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  43. " If gender were eliminated altogether, where would transgender be? Transgender would be irrelevant because gender would be irrelevant."

    This continued assertion is not only wrong, but its irrelevant. Gender is in part based on behaviors linked to predominant hormones in either the male or the female sex. If a person has, intrinsically or applied later, the predominant hormones of the male or female sex, they are *likely* to exhibit more of the behaviors of that sex. Socialized gender roles do not account for all gendered behavior, regardless of what your Women's Studies class decided. The physical and physiological and emotional characteristics and reproductive role of the female body are part of the reason the sociological gender roles are in place, and they suck. But you can't force them to go away completely just because you want them to. You may feel like the only reason ftm's transition to male is to gain male privilege or escape the female role, but that perfectly and succinctly reveals why you should not transition, and exactly how you are not transsexual. Why? Because transitioning trades in one set of bullshit gendered sex roles for another set of bullshit gendered sex roles. And you can't escape them, no matter how perfectly modern, special, and queer you are. This actually *is* the world we live in. If those roles did not exist, there would still be the body, and if cross-gendered hormones did not achieve some of what what people wanted in their bodies, then nobody would use them, and we would all just work on society,( which is impossible to change completely because it's partially based on the physical.)

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  44. "Gender is in part based on behaviors linked to predominant hormones in either the male or the female sex. If a person has, intrinsically or applied later, the predominant hormones of the male or female sex, they are *likely* to exhibit more of the behaviors of that sex."

    Trans fantasy/belief yet again.

    FYI, estrogen doesn't cause (a love of) shopping, nor does T cause a love of beer and football (or any other stereotypical combination you care to name).

    The BELIEF that sexist stereotypes are actually CAUSED by hormones or CAN BE caused by hormones, if one type of biological essentialism that is used to oppress women.

    But HEY, thanks for making the conservative/anti-feminist nature of the whole trans belief system crystal clear!

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  45. Really VERY depressing. BIOLOGY exists (I wouldn't argue with that), therefore women are STUCK with it (and bugger any attempts at political change).

    ". This actually *is* the world we live in. If those roles did not exist, there would still be the body, and if cross-gendered hormones did not achieve some of what what people wanted in their bodies...."

    Except they DON'T. Taking hormones, or having surgery WON'T change a male into a female, or vice versa. It WON'T change your supposedly female brain into a male one, even if you believe you already HAD a male brain trapped in a female body.

    "which is impossible to change completely because it's partially based on the physical.." Yep, it isn't the patriarchy or plain ole misogyny that is responsible for female oppression, just our BIOLOGY, so get used to it girls and get back in the kitchen where you belong.........

    Defeatist claptrap, pseudo-scientific nonsense, and a call to mutilation and pain because they've lost ALL HOPE of acheieving anything in any other way.

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  46. Christ, you are such a blowhard, Bad Dyke. You never read completely or listen. You don't do anything that would challenge your hatred and distrust of transpeople. I stated that gender cannot be erased completely, because it stems from our biology IN PART! IN PART! Fuckin A, you are a waste of time. Yes, socialized gender roles are bullshit. I said that too, not that you are able to comprehend. I think your stupidity may have stunned everyone into silence.

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  47. " I stated that gender cannot be erased completely, because it stems from our biology IN PART! IN PART! "

    "Gender is in part based on behaviors linked to predominant hormones in either the male or the female sex. If a person has, intrinsically or applied later, the predominant hormones of the male or female sex, they are *likely* to exhibit more of the behaviors of that sex."

    Same ole trans belief, whether you qualify it with sticking in part there, or not.

    Exactly WHAT are the behaviours OF that sex that you keep claiming someone can magically gain by taking enough hormones?

    "You don't do anything that would challenge your hatred and distrust of transpeople." Hate the belief system, not the people. Saying you believe a load of nonsense isn't the same as hating you, although you could be right that I distrust your judgement given that you believe this nonsense........

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  48. I pretty much agree with BadDyke. How often have we heard FtMs say things like "Now I'm finally the man I was always meant to be"? Jesus Christ,think about it - now you know what it's like to be a woman on testosterone.

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  49. "A woman on testosterone."

    Exactly right, that is all they will ever be.

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  50. "Gender is in part based on behaviors linked to predominant hormones in either the male or the female sex. If a person has, intrinsically or applied later, the predominant hormones of the male or female sex, they are *likely* to exhibit more of the behaviors of that sex."

    Let's not forget folks, THIS is the belief that affects ALL of us, whether we get lost in transition, or not. That AS females we are supposed to behave in a certain way.

    The fiddly details depend on WHICH individual you are talking to, but the root belief is the SAME, that you as a female are going to be less aggressive (hence unsuitable for that promotion to manager), less able at maths (hence no point trying to address why there aren't MORE females at higher levels of academia, more caring and emotionally-sensitive (hence we'll keep steering you towards jobs in the beauty industry, the service industry etc, rather than better-paid jobs for the boys).

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  51. I might always be a "woman on testosterone" but you, Amy Tolliver, will always be fat and ugly.So I forgive you.

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  52. "I might always be a "woman on testosterone" but you, Amy Tolliver, will always be fat and ugly.So I forgive you."

    Why is it that when anyone wants to verbally demean and insult a woman he or she always says she is ugly, fat, wears funny clothes, etc? This is so stereotypically sexist.

    ***All women are beautiful.

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  53. Sometimes, people are just fat and ugly! For Christ's sake, if you are going to try and leverage the truth with me, I'm gonna use it right back at you. There's nothing wrong with being fat and ugly- Andrea Dworkin waved hers like a flag.

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  54. Am I supposed to feel bad or cry or something because some immature kid is calling me names? Someone who isn't grown up enough to use their name. Sweetheart, you have no idea how hard I'm laughing at you.

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  55. I'm probably older than you are. I wasn't trying to make you feel bad, because you can't really help what you look like, although you could lose some weight. Though you'd probably look like Al Roker. Some people are just genetically fat and they look weird when they lose weight. The sheer effort of it is like trying to stop plate tectonics. If what I'm saying seems mean, just remember that you were the one who brought the childish comments to this thread first, about ftm's not having enough balls and what not. Stupid shit. That really goes a long way in convincing us all what a happy and secure "butch" you are.

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  56. There's a lot of belittling and name calling going on in here from all sides.

    Trying to make people feel badly, calling them names, calling them ugly, telling them they are "just" something in a demeaning way.

    And it doesn't matter who "started it."

    If you want your voices heard, then speak will respect, intelligence, and maturity. Acknowledge that your words can hurt, even if you don't mean for them to. And if you do mean to cause hurt, then at least have the decency to own up to the fact that you are being unkind.

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  57. i still do not understand why FTMs what to change. all the self hate unhappiness ect all originates from inside. why not focus on removing the dis ease form the brain that was placed by them selves?

    why envy the male body to the point of becoming a make shift male? its not like they are going to be 100% male. as far as i know "T" well be needed to be taken for the rest of there lives. if being happy and "yourself" means you need to become self medicated human then you are one weak human kinda like a junkie but a different chemical. not a good use of the 38% of our brain power

    sorry its a bit of a rant


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