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Tuesday, December 4, 2012

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As a favour to myself and each other, when commenting anonymous, in order for comments to be followed better, can you label your anonymous with a number. You obviously do not and might not be able to use the same number in every post, but when commenting on individual posts, numbering will be most helpful.

Example: Anonymous1

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  1. Anonymous1.

    Dirt, did you get a chance to watch this video of FTM "top surgery"?

    Both the areolas and nipples are litteraly cut off, reshaped, and sewn back on. Women usually have larger areolas than men, so they have to be trimmed down to size. Two large incisions are made to cut out both healthy breasts.

    I would like the viewer to see the perfectly shaped medium sized breasts on this female. At the beginning of the video, we can see that she appears to be in her mid twenties.

    I choose to characterize this as violence being carried out against the female sex. Since this blog deals with "transitioning", perhaps people should see exactly what it entails.

    WARNING!

    GRAPHIC VIDEO....WHAT IS INVOLVED IN "TOP SURGERY"

    Dr. Daniel Medalie performs FtM top surgery (double incision mastectomy with nipple grafting)


    http://www.surgerytheater.com/video/6423/Dr.%20Daniel%20Medalie%20performs%20FtM%20top%20surgery%20(double%20incision%20mastectomy%20with%20nipple%20grafting)

    copy and paste url

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  2. It's funny how you see it as "butchering" or violence against the female sex. However, you do realize that the person in the video gave his consent and was willing to go through the surgery. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's just a personal choice. From what I see this surgery, it's just a form of cosmetic surgery.

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  3. Why not post videos of women getting boob jobs and all the countless disasters?

    There is nothing wrong with a trans man having is top surgery done if he wants it done. Just like there's nothing wrong with women who get boob jobs done. It's a choice that both make. If you can't handle it, then don't look and watch videos about it. Simple as that!

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  4. Hey "Anonymous1",

    Surgery of any kind is horrific and invasive -- whether or not it's a choice is immaterial. Whether I break my hip or desire a cosmetic change, there are risks. Some surgery is "grosser" than others. So what? Referring to the breasts as "healthy" is what...trying to shame people somehow?

    Is it too difficult a concept to understand that body parts can be deemed unhealthy if they cause a person distress? What's it to you if someone electively decides to undergo this form of surgery?

    It's certainly not the "erasure" of female identity -- they aren't out there picketing in the street to get all female breasts removed, now are they? Just theirs.

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  5. Anonymous 3

    @avid reader:
    If a body part has no pathophysiology and the distress comes solely from the person’s mind (and all experience that has shaped it), I would consider the pathology to reside in the brain and/or society.

    @Anonymous 2: While I agree that it should be perfectly legal to get these surgeries (FtM top surgery, breast implants, etc.), that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't analyze the cultural factors that may contribute to people getting such surgeries. Just like I think it should be legal to drink a bunch of alcohol and get drunk, even though I think it's a poor decision and more self-destructive than harmless fun. None of our choices occur in a vacuum; the environment somehow influences almost all of the choices we make. Which is fine in most cases, but considering that the social/cultural environment is currently a cesspool of sexism (particularly the 'girls like/do X, boys like/do Y' thing) and homophobia (girls who do Y are ugly dykes to be despised; boys who do X are sissy fags to be despised), any choice people make regarding gender and sexuality is subject to that social influence, and we are all (myself included of course) far more malleable to these influences than we would suspect. Sometimes it seems like we aren't easily influenced because humans do things that go severely against social norms all the time - in those cases, our influence manifests in such things as shame, depression, and denial of ourselves (such as gays who stay in the closet not just to society, but to themselves).

    Who knows, maybe there will turn out to be substantial evidence to the brain sex theory, and we'll all look like asses - but that's the risk anyone following logic, empiricism, and scientific method takes. The gravest error a scientist can commit (outside of fraud) is to accept an explanation as correct when there is much too little evidence to support it - maybe some of the preliminary evidence is compelling, but it's just preliminary, and people who run with promising leads at the beginning and are devoted to it being correct become quacks 99% of the time, because most promising early results in research don't go anywhere when larger, better-designed studies are completed.

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  6. @ Anonymous 2, continued:


    So I am open to the idea that someone can be mentally intersex (as loathe I am to those who claim transsexuality is a part of intersex conditions when there is no evidence to suggest that as of yet). But I cannot accept the idea without a lot more (good quality) evidence. Right now from where I'm standing as a former FtM, I will tell you that in my case anyway, self-hatred was a significant component, for although my parents were generally very tolerant and accepting, even telling us as young kids that if any of us were to grow up gay that that wouldn't matter to them, it was crystal clear they didn't want me to be butch.

    More times than I can count, I've been told after giving my opinion of something that, "yeah, but 99% of women wouldn't agree with that," or that I thought more like a man, that I was practical and logical like men and unlike most women who were really emotional and superficial. Usually not nearly that blatantly, though. Often presented as a compliment. I played with cars and eschewed Barbies, make-up, shaving, dresses, any unnecessary or scented hair-care products (just plain soap and shampoo for me). I was really unathletic but I had great interest in tools, cars, and other stereotypically man-things.

    I didn't relate to most of the girls at school by the time I was 10 or 11, and others were talking about make-up and boys and celebrities and things. I almost never related to female characters on TV and movies and books. When I identified as FtM, I did not think I was doing it just because I like mechanical things, don't identify with flat, passive, or boy-obsessed female characters that you typically see, and am good at math, and it really was a bit more than that (being told I think more like a man for instance). But they factored very heavily into what made me feel more like a boy.

    Because everywhere I turned society was telling me I was doing female wrong. After a decade or two of that from birth, it's easy to understand how someone can make the conclusion that, since they can do the male gender role better than the female gender role, that they really ought to switch their sex and bring the two into alignment with social expectations.

    Of course, the actual process of transition is at least as difficult as being a gender-non-conforming female, but the difference with transition is that you have this hope that after awhile, you blend in and you don't have to worry about people questioning your sex or gender.

    Maybe that's why transmen are so upset when people use "she" or "her" - they spent their whole life prior to transition encountering people who questioned their gender, thought they should change it to match their sex. Now that they transition, the goal being to get people to stop pressuring them to conform to the female gender role, so when someone identifies them as female, the trans person feels like the other person is trying to say they are feminine or should be. I'm sure a similar reasoning can apply to trans males with gender dysphoria.

    What I would suggest is that rather than trying to change sex, it is okay to have a sex and gender mismatch, and since obviously it is not easy at all for trans people to just up and accept that, we ought to get together and challenge society that they better start accepting femmy men and butch women. Maybe take hormones, but decline surgery (that is at least partially reversible), and spend more time gathering the courage to stand up to such a massively fucked up society that tells us we're wrong to go outside the gender lines. Push therapists to analyze the role sexism and homophobia play in these deeply and sincerely held desires, or even transition in every way except changing the legal sex markers.

    I do think it's plausible that a subset of transsexuals suffer a body map problem, but again, I haven't seen good evidence for it.

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  7. I don't really have too much to add to this discussion, except to say Bravo to Anonymous 3. I think those of us that have identified as FtM in the past, with the staunch belief that we were "male" in our brains and that society and culture played no part in our transition, need to step up and start talking about these issues.
    When we, as females, are constantly told that we "think like men," or that we have "guy brains," it starts to make things seem a lot clearer. It divides us to the point where, even if we don't ID as "men," we might start to think that we are "different from other women." This "different from other women" issue is such a big dividing line for so many FtMs, young and old. It's the idea that no other female feels the way they do, so they must be male, especially because all of the other females that they see expressing similar feelings to their feelings are ID’ing as male or FtM. I know that I held this as a personal truth for the longest time, that the feelings I felt were somehow completely different from the feelings that any other female ever felt. Tying in to this was the idea I had that “butch” women must be completely comfortable in their bodies and never experience dysphoria, or else they must be “trans.”
    When I looked around me, I saw adult males and females that were mostly stereotypical for their sex role expectations. Yes, there were a few outliers, such as Ellen and (now) Rachel Maddow, that were what society called "butch" women. However, I, personally, always felt so much more "masculine" than it seemed these women were. I didn't desire the clothing tailored to accentuate the breasts, I didn't desire wearing make-up, and whenever I looked for "butch" women in my peer-age-group they always seemed so... "cute," for lack of a better word. I do hope that you all please excuse my sometimes clumsy word choice, sometimes I don't know what better to say, and it’s difficult to get the entirety of one’s thoughts down without pulling up at least a few stereotypes. I never desired this "cuteness," or this possibility that anyone could easily point out that I was female, which I felt set me apart from my "butch" peers that seemed comfortable with their breasts and wearing the "men's cut" of clothing designed for women.
    We have to stop thinking of ourselves as "different from" other females. This is the most damaging thought of all. Since detransition, for the past few years I have been actively searching high and low for other females that have felt this severe "othering" as a result of disconnect or discomfort with their bodies, who don't succumb to ANY of the gendered expectations put on females, and who don't ID as trans* or as male. These individuals are so, so hard to find, it hardly seems a wonder that our youth isn't seeing themselves in a narrative that says that being all these things and being female is ok. It seems the only narrative out there for these young people is that they must be the opposite sex.
    We need to start talking about this, and reaching out for each other, to build a space that is positive for these young, “gender-non-conforming” people to see that there is an adult future for them, even if it’s not easy.

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  8. "What I would suggest is that rather than trying to change sex, it is okay to have a sex and gender mismatch, and since obviously it is not easy at all for trans people to just up and accept that, we ought to get together and challenge society that they better start accepting femmy men and butch women. Maybe take hormones, but decline surgery (that is at least partially reversible), and spend more time gathering the courage to stand up to such a massively fucked up society that tells us we're wrong to go outside the gender lines. Push therapists to analyze the role sexism and homophobia play in these deeply and sincerely held desires, or even transition in every way except changing the legal sex markers."

    OK, this is already happening.

    Please stop assuming that all trangendered people are FtM or MtF with no other possible combinations. There are people who are ok with a "sex and gender mismatch" or with combining various aspects of different genders. Some of these people have surgery, some don't.

    Therapists do talk about sexism and homophobia, and that is part of what we talk about (at least in my experiences).

    And it's great that you can find the courage to stand up to society when you don't actually want to change your gender. For a lot of us, it takes all the courage we have to realize what we want for ourselves and go for it. You aren't helping anyone find courage. You're scaring people, you're tearing them down, and you're causing emotional harm to those of us who are struggling with our identities and have decided on a path that you don't agree with.

    Just because transitioning isn't the right path for everyone, that doesn't mean it can't be the right path for some people. Let us do what's right for us and mind your own business.

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    1. Scaring people, tearing them down, causing emotional harm? Are you kidding me? Finding this blog and others like it was a life savior for me and many others women. For me it ended this struggle with identity that you are mentioning, because it opened my eyes to the fact that I am female and that no hormones and surgeries can ever change that. This blog still helps me deal with GID, because the people around me still make me feel dysphoric over having the body that I have with the personality that I have. So many other women and also men have been helped by getting their eyes opened to the true nature of dysphoria. Those who can't see it (or refuse to?) are going to transition anyway, so if you don't like this blog just don't read it.

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  9. Anonymous1

    All I can say in response to anonymous 3 and 4 is well done. I especially like parts of anonymous 3's long and thoughtful post.

    "None of our choices occur in a vacuum; the environment somehow influences almost all of the choices we make. Which is fine in most cases, but considering that the social/cultural environment is currently a cesspool of sexism (particularly the 'girls like/do X, boys like/do Y' thing) and homophobia (girls who do Y are ugly dykes to be despised; boys who do X are sissy fags to be despised), any choice people make regarding gender and sexuality is subject to that social influence, and we are all (myself included of course) far more malleable to these influences than we would suspect."

    This is well stated, thoughtful analysis, and I completely agree with this part of the post.

    There is a large body of research and commentary on how culture constantly impacts how women view their bodies. In a real sense, culture does, indeed, leave its mark on women's bodies and minds. It appears throughout history, waxes and wanes, disappears and reappears as current fashion fades, but it never seems to go away. If we were to figuratively climb atop a high mountain and gaze down on a millennium of history, we clearly see how culture has left its mark on the female body. It has not abated one iota.

    Women had almost 8.4 million cosmetic procedures, 91% of the total. The number of cosmetic procedures for women increased over 208% from 1997. The top five surgical procedures for women were: breast augmentation, liposuction, tummy tuck, eyelid surgery, and breast lift.

    Men had almost 800,000 cosmetic procedures, 9% of the total. The number of cosmetic procedures for men increased over 121% from 1997. The top five surgical procedures for men were: liposuction, rhinoplasty, eyelid surgery, breast reduction to treat enlarged male breast, and facelift.

    Americans spent nearly $10 billion on cosmetic procedures in 2011. Of that total $6.2 billion was spent on surgical procedures; $1.7 billion was spent on injectable procedures; $1.6 billion was spent on skin rejuvenation procedures; and over $360 million was spent on other nonsurgical procedures, including laser hair removal and laser treatment of leg veins.

    http://www.surgery.org/media/news-releases/celebrating-15-years-of-trustworthy-plastic-surgery-statistics

    All we have to do is look at the statistics to see the extint in which women feel so insecure and alienated in their own skins and in their own bodies. I would go as far as to state that it's rare to find any woman who doesn't have some degree of body dysphoria.

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  10. Anonymous1

    There are numerous scholarly articles that discuss the way internalized misogyny shapes and influences how girls and women feel about their bodies. It is no doubt unrelenting and felt and experienced since birth. It's interesting to me that many feminists can clearly see how misogyny might play a role in why women flock to cosmetic surgery which is a lucrative million dollar industry, but fail to see any connection whatsoever between internalized misogyny and FTM (female to male transitioning). If we step back to get a better view of a general trend emerging, we see both an increase in females undergoing cosmetic surgery and an increase in FTM transitioning ("T" or testosterone, "top surgery"). I contend that each could both be the flip side of the same coin. I believe it's safe to say that both the increase in cosmetic procedures and FTM transitioning emerged during second wave feminism's decline. I've always said that there could be a few rare individuals who are so gender dyshporic that transitioning might be beneficial, but this is what disturbs me the most about FTM transitioning. In female to male transitioning, I believe that it's impossible to clearly distinguish between internalized misogyny and the incessant devaluing of girls and one's desire to transition. If we add some serious underlying, deeply ingrained lesbian phobic beliefs or feelings to this mix, it gets further complicated. Moreover, we simply cannot separate the radical alteration of female breasts and genitals from its thousand year old history. I don't know if FTM transitioning is female genital mutilation, but I know one thing. When I watch the video of "top surgery", it's as if a million ancient female spirits are quietly whispering to me. I feel something hauntingly and profoundly ancient.

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  11. Anoymous1

    @Anonymous2's post,

    "Why not post videos of women getting boob jobs and all the countless disasters?

    "There is nothing wrong with a trans man having is top surgery done if he wants it done. Just like there's nothing wrong with women who get boob jobs done. It's a choice that both make. If you can't handle it, then don't look and watch videos about it. Simple as that!"

    Question: Is this person comparing "chest masculanization" or "top surgery" to breast enhancement or breast enlargement?

    After watching the video of "top surgery", I find it difficult to believe that some people can't sense that there is something different about “chest masculinization”. It’s just a feeling that I have, and I think a lot of people might have this gnawing feeling, but they simply keep quiet.

    (1.)The goal of breast implants or enlargements is to enhance what already exists whereas the obvious goal of "top surgery" or "chest masculanization" is to surgically remove all traces of femininity.

    (2.) Compared to other types of cosmetic surgery on the breasts, "chest masculanizaton" or "top surgery" obviously appears to surgically remove more healthy breast tissue. In essence, it radically alters the appearance of the breasts.

    (3.) Because males usually have smaller areoles and nipples than females, FTM "top surgery" often involves reshaping and cutting the areoles and nipples down to size. This can cause loss of sensation.

    (4.) Not only does "top surgery" or "chest masculanization" radically alter the appearance of the breasts, it attempts to erase female identity itself. I contend that plastic surgery that intentionally attempts to erase female identity itself is far more misogynistic than surgery that changes the female body.

    If it's true that breast implants and "chest masculaniztion" or "top surgery" are the same thing, then why can't any woman anywhere simply simply walk into a surgeon's office and ask to have both her healthy breasts removed? Why can't a female walk into a doctors office and ask to have her labias and clitoris removed? Or, ask to get her vagina completely sewn shut?

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  12. I wish I could stop reading this blog.

    I'm ashamed to admit how much it bothers me. Dirt's mentality and her approach to trying to scare people away from transitioning is awful, but I feel like I should be able to just walk away. All I have to do is not type "dirt" into the browser and it won't come up.

    But I can't stop.

    Part of it is my obsessive behavior. Even though this place is bad for me, I can't stop picking at it. It makes me physically ill, reading all the hateful things on this blog. Seeing the same fearmongering posts and lies over and over again, no matter how I try to respond to them.

    And I think about when I first found one of Dirt's posts in which she basically said that people on testosterone were going to be ugly and no one would want to have sex with them. I looked at the comments thinking there had to be someone who would tell her how much BS that was. But there wasn't. There was comment after comment from people who had horrible things to say about transmen.

    I was devastated. Since I was 15 and first came out as lesbian, I've worked so hard to fight for the rights of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people. I've stood beside other lesbians and we've put our lives on the line to help each other. And now here is a whole blog that is dedicated to lesbians who hate trans folks. People who I've supported and who have supported me for almost twenty years have turned out to be the ones that hate me most now. I continue to fight for gay rights, while lesbians are accusing me of turning my back on my them.

    It's painful. And now that I know this is here, I can't forget about it. I can't stop feeling betrayed by the community that I trusted.

    Not every person who has gender dysphoria should take hormones or get sex reassignment surgery. There are more and more trans-positive blogs and resources out there for folks who don't identify as completely FtM and who want to look for alternative gender identities.

    There shouldn't be a place in the world for a blog like Dirt's. This isn't about accepting different gender identities. It's about scaring people away from transitioning. It doesn't give options, it just keeps telling people what they should not do.

    It's sad. And it's hurtful to a lot of people. It's definitely hurting me. Dirt could spread her message of embracing lesbian identities without trying to erase trans identities. She can spread a message of alternatives to transitioning, without calling transitioning violence against women. Just because transitioning isn't right for her, that doesn't mean she or anyone else here has the right to tell the rest of us what we should or shouldn't do with our bodies.

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  13. Anon1,

    Briefly checked out video. Clearly this is violence toward the female form, by both the young lady involved and the Male Medical Machine performing the violence.

    Will check out vid more thoroughly this weekend and post it and on it.

    Sad and horrific that we (lesbians) are living in such a terrible time that the community that is supposed to embrace us and help us to feel pride in our lesbian selves, is instead helping to murder us.

    dirt

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  14. @Dirt

    What community is trying to murder you? The last I've checked, the trans community has always been lumped in with lesbians and gay men, and we've worked hard to further gay rights. But you, part of the lesbian community, hate trans people. Help me understand what you're talking about.

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  15. It's true that we have all been sucked into a culture of hate, and we all keep perpetuating it. Hate will never pave the path to equality, or love for ourselves. As long as people hate lesbians or feminists or transsexuals, none of us are going to find happiness, respect and equality.

    The only people who win when we hate each other are the white, rich men in power.

    When Dirt tears down young transmen, she is doing the work of the patriarchy.

    When transmen call Dirt a cunt, they're doing the work of the patriarchy.

    When women here call transitioning violence against women, they're doing the work of the patriarchy.

    When anyone, trans or not, don't allow for more genders than just male or female, then they are doing the work of the patriarchy.

    We can take paths that white men didn't set out for us. We don't have to use the tools that they have used to oppress us all in order to try to rise above the oppression. Throw out the tools of the patriarchy and embrace acceptance and love. Love your straight sisters and brothers. Love your gay sisters and brothers. Love your trans sisters and brothers.

    Don't try to save everyone else by telling them you know better than them. Don't tell them that they're making bad choices. Show them the options they have and empower them to make their own choices.

    Taking choice off the table is how the patriarchy controls minorities.

    Stop telling trans people what they should not do. If you think there's a better way, tell us what you think we should do. Empower your fellow human beings.

    When you tell people that they're making the wrong choices, you are taking power away from them. You're tearing them down. You're telling them they're stupid or ignorant. This is a tool of the patriarchy.

    Love, empowerment, choice. These are the tools of change.

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  16. Anoymous1

    "When women here call transitioning violence against women, they're doing the work of the patriarchy."

    Please have the courage to describe what "transitioning" really entails. BELOW IS MY SUGGESTION. REPLACE THE WORD "TRANSITIONING" WITH EXACTLY WHAT IT ENTAILS AND SEE HOW IT ALL SOUNDS.

    "When women here call

    *the complete removal of both healthy breasts along with the trimming down and reshaping of female areolas and nipples so that they will look more like male areolas and nipples

    *a life time of "T" or testosterone which no doubt has an effect on the female reproductive system including the possibility of PCOS

    * the possible surgical alteration of female genitals that requires multiple surgeries and skin grafts

    *the removal of ovaries and uterus thus making females sterile

    violence against women, they're doing the work of patriarchy."

    No, perhaps it's more accurate to say that plastic surgeons who buy luxurious mansions and drive BMWs by carving up female bodies are doing the work of patriarchy.

    Not only do females make up about 90% of all the people undergoing plastic surgery procedures, the following graphs show that male plastic surgeons make more money than female plastic surgeons. Of course, there are also more male plastic surgeons.

    http://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/compensation/2012/plastic-surgery

    Females can only achieve success and empowerment by surgically altering their bodies and taking exogenous sources of hormones and/or chemicals. Everyone knows that there isn't one part of the female anatomy that doesn't need surgical intervention or enhancement. Anyone who says otherwise is a tool of patriarchy, and thus a fool.

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  17. Anoymous1

    "When women here call transitioning violence against women, they're doing the work of the patriarchy."

    Women need patriarchy explained to us.....

    Women didn't know anything about patriarchy at all until "transitioning" came about (*please see my prior post to see what transitioning entails)

    People started to see an increase in FTM (female to male) "transitioning" around the 1990s. Synthetically produced testosterone wasn't invented until the mid 1940s, and no one knew what "top surgery" or "chest masculanization" was until about fifteen or twenty years ago.

    I hate to say this, but the various forms of mutilation of the female body has a THOUSAND YEAR OLD HISTORY. "Transitioning" represents a tiny dot on the extremely long timeline of human history.

    When transgender identified people start to toss out the word patriarchy, it tends to make me flinch. In all honesty, I have difficulty finding just the right adjective to describe my utter amazement. Women were tenacious fighting for our voting rights, equal pay, and reproductive health care long long before "T" (testosterone for biological females), "chest masculanization" (the surgical removal of both healthy breasts and the trimming down of areolas and nipples) ever existed. Most of the major women's rights legislation such as voting rights, equal pay, and access to contraception and reproductive health care were possible because of the tireless work of first and second wave feminists. When it comes to things that really matter to women such as voting rights, equal pay, or access to contraception, transgender is late to the table and came empty handed. I'm rather awestruck sometimes by the sheer audacity of some trans identified people. They have finely tuned appropriation and co-option almost down to an art form or science. One genderqueer porn star even co-opted the second wave feminist term "glass ceiling" (access to higher levels of power and authority) to "cotton ceiling" (lesbians are bigoted if they don't like lady stick aka the penis of a transwomen). The Hole-y-Army even puts their feathered, multi-colored "holes" or vaginas on sticks and parades them up and down the street at Dyke Marches. They just don't understand why middle aged, heterosexual males who call themselves women shouldn't be allowed to parade their penis in front of high school girls. It seems as if there isn't one thing that they haven't co-opted. Now, they have the audacity to throw the word patriarchy around as if transgender has ever done anything for women in the first place. Moreover, I wish transgender would stop appropriating and co-opting the word woman. I don't consider a biological male with a penis a woman. The truth be told, a lot of women secretly feel uncomfortable with this idea, but we are conditioned to be lady-like and non-confrontational.

    Again, it would be more accurate to say that plastic surgeons who send their children to elite private schools, buy beach front property, and drive Porsches or BMWs by carving up female bodies are doing the work of patriarchy.

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  18. Anonymous1

    "There shouldn't be a place in the world for a blog like Dirt's."

    What are we supposed to do? If I don't agree with this person, then I should just keep my mouth shut. My parents always told me that I was far to inquisitive for my own good. If I latch onto something that I feel is important to say, I am reluctant to back down. If people want alternatives to "transitioning", please read the very thoughtful posts from anonymous3 and anonymous4. These individuals certainly appear intelligent to me, and they took the time to type long and well thought out posts that address some issues that few dare to even whisper. These are soul searching personal accounts that offer us a unique and refreshing insight. Why not read these posts and listen to what they are trying to say? It doesn't matter that these people told their stories of detransitioning so eloquently, and gave us the opportunity to hear about their life experiences. No, all that matters is whining about how evil Dirt is. I'm hurt, but I keep coming back to this blog so that people will feel sorry for me. See, I'm the victim here, and people should feel sorry for me. I win the gold medal in the oppression Olympics by a mile, and only trans identified people are discriminated against, victimized, or are sad, lonely, or emotionally hurt.

    "I wish I could stop reading this blog.

    I'm ashamed to admit how much it bothers me. Dirt's mentality and her approach to trying to scare people away from transitioning is awful, but I feel like I should be able to just walk away. All I have to do is not type "dirt" into the browser and it won't come up.

    But I can't stop."

    The only way I can keep from hurting this individual is by keeping my mouth shut. The same goes for the person calling herself Dirt. Dirt must be (a.) the most evil person in the world, or (b.) she has something that some people don't want to hear. Since Dirt has been called a cunt, fuggly bulldagging bitch on more than one occasion (some of the more pleasant words of endearment), I know that transmen can be a tad insensitive too. As for terms of endearment directed towards me, I've been called a cuntasourus Rex. I guess that is a combination of a cunt and an extinct dinosaur. My unpardonable sin was questioning "transitioning". At any rate, I tend to agree with (b.) in that some don't want to hear the unpleasant facts of "transitioning".


    I'm truly sorry that this individual feels hurt, but if reading this blog makes them that upset, then don't type the word "Dirt" into Google.

    My closing remarks will be brief. I know this individual doesn't want to hear this, but sometimes the truth does hurt.

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    1. Look I'm sorry about the cuntosauras comment ok but it hurts being called a mutilated freak and dirt and her cronies do say that ok .. here is my short story born without uterus got breast cancer on both sides before hormone therapy at 30 years old both sides removed 6 months chemotherapy and radio therapy then had chest surgery for male chest happy with results so anyone want to call me freak that's fine at least I'm alive and happy cheers john

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  19. @anonymous1

    This isn't truth that Dirt and the other trans-bashers are spouting.

    It's hateful, harmful propaganda against trans individuals.

    I have said over and over again that some transmen are also unkind. That doesn't give anyone else an excuse to spread hate.

    Questioning transitioning isn't the same as spreading fear and lies about transitioning. Instead of giving alternatives to transitioning, Dirt and you just try to make transitioning sound scary.

    You and Dirt are doing something bad. You are hurting people not by telling the truth. You are hurting them by trying to tear down transgendered people. You are trying to shame them. You are trying to frighten them. You are bad people for doing this.

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  20. When I first came out as bi, people told me that I was wrong. They told me that the truth was that people would hate me, that my life would be hard, that I would be miserable. They told me I was at higher risk for getting AIDs, that the lifestyle was unhealthy, that I was just rebelling, that I needed to learn to be happy with a man.

    Lesbians and gays told me that I was really just straight and I was trying to appropriate the gay identity. Or they said I was too afraid to just come out as lesbian. I heard over and over that either I was really straight or I was really a lesbian. People told me they didn't want to have bisexuals in their community. Or they told me that I was giving in to the pressures of the patriarchy because I wouldn't admit that I was a lesbian.

    Now that I'm transitioning, I'm hearing the same arguments again. Just about my gender identity instead of my sexual identity.

    All the "truth" spoken here about trans people is just the same old rhetoric from people who don't understand identities that differ from what's right for them. All you're doing here is making life harder for a group of people that you're looking down on. You're not laying down any truth. You're just repeating history.

    You don't have to like trans people. Just let us live our lives the way that we feel is best. If we make mistakes, then we'll regret them and deal with them in our own ways. We'll continue to look to family and friends and trusted doctors for the help and support we need. It's not up to anyone else to try to save us from ourselves, even if you feel strongly that we're wrong.

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  21. Anonymous1

    QUESTIONS: WOULD A POST SIMILAR TO THE FOLLOWING EVER APPEAR ON A TRANSGENDER BLOG? IF SO, HOW FREQUENTLY ARE THESE TYPES OF POSTS SEEN ON TRANSGENDER BLOGS OR WEBSITES? HOW OFTEN ARE PEOPLE WHO DETRANSITION WELCOMED ON TRANSGENDER WEBSITES?

    Anonymous 4

    "I don't really have too much to add to this discussion, except to say Bravo to Anonymous 3. I think those of us that have identified as FtM in the past, with the staunch belief that we were "male" in our brains and that society and culture played no part in our transition, need to step up and start talking about these issues."

    When we, as females, are constantly told that we "think like men," or that we have "guy brains," it starts to make things seem a lot clearer. It divides us to the point where, even if we don't ID as "men," we might start to think that we are "different from other women." This "different from other women" issue is such a big dividing line for so many FtMs, young and old. It's the idea that no other female feels the way they do, so they must be male, especially because all of the other females that they see expressing similar feelings to their feelings are ID’ing as male or FtM. I know that I held this as a personal truth for the longest time, that the feelings I felt were somehow completely different from the feelings that any other female ever felt."

    We have to stop thinking of ourselves as "different from" other females. This is the most damaging thought of all. Since detransition, for the past few years I have been actively searching high and low for other females that have felt this severe "othering" as a result of disconnect or discomfort with their bodies, who don't succumb to ANY of the gendered expectations put on females, and who don't ID as trans* or as male. These individuals are so, so hard to find, it hardly seems a wonder that our youth isn't seeing themselves in a narrative that says that being all these things and being female is ok. It seems the only narrative out there for these young people is that they must be the opposite sex. We need to start talking about this, and reaching out for each other, to build a space that is positive for these young, “gender-non-conforming” people to see that there is an adult future for them, even if it’s not easy."

    Kudos Anonymous 4! I can personally relate to everything Anonymous 4 describes because I've felt many of the same emotions, and had the same thoughts.

    At any rate, compare the number of times transitioning ("T" as in testosterone and "top surgery") is more or less glorified with the number of times detranstitioning is ever discussed.

    If Dirt didn't bring these issues up, or allow people to speak to these subjects, I seriously doubt if anything that Anonmyous 4 said would ever appear on a transgender website.









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  22. "This isn't truth that Dirt and the other trans-bashers are spouting.

    You and Dirt are doing something bad. You are hurting people not by telling the truth. You are hurting them by trying to tear down transgendered people. You are trying to shame them. You are trying to frighten them. You are bad people for doing this."

    It's hateful, harmful propaganda against trans individuals."

    I can't think of anything that so radically alters healthy female breasts than "top surgery" or "chest masculanization".

    Please watch the video in which this female gets both her areolas and nipples cut off and reshaped or trimmed down so that they will resemble smaller male nipples and areolas. Two large incisions are then made to cut out healthy female breasts. Why do trans identified people who come to this blog deliberately choose to deny a thousand plus years of various forms of mutilation of the female body? Perhaps violence against women is so common place that people naturally take it for granted. To, watching this video feels like violence being carried out against the female sex.

    I do feel uncomfortable when I watch the video, and it's not just because all surgeries are no doubt bloody. I sense that there is something different about FTM "top surgery" in that it so radically alters healthy female breasts. It's essentially elective mastectomies. I guess I'm not allowed to have my own feelings or opinions.

    Issue: One:

    There is no reliable medical test for "gender dysphoria". Physicians have multiple, scientifically sound tests for diabetes, heart disease and other medical conditions. How is "gender dysphoria" quantified?

    Issue Two:

    To state that culture plays no role in how girls and women view themselves and their bodies is ludicrous on its face. If females felt so secure about their bodies, then why are 80% to 90% of cosmetic surgery procedures carried out on females? Of course, culture plays a major role in how females feel about their bodies.

    As I've repeatedly said, I would keep my mouth shut and never say one more word about "transitioning" if I knew all the following were true.

    (a.) No one ever lives to regret transitioning
    (b.) Culture, internalized misogyny, peer pressure play no role whatsoever in one’s decision to “transition”
    (c.) Prior to hormones or surgery, it’s easy to distinguish transsexual from non transsexual, and the science on this subject is clear and sound. It's something that can be measured and quantified.
    (d.) The only way to treat gender non-conforming individuals, or people who don’t fit neatly into traditional sex roles of masculinity and femininity is through the use of hormones and/or surgery.

    On this very blog, when pressed and prodded, trans identified people have admitted that it’s possible for people to regret transitioning. Also, they finally admitted that culture and peer pressure might play a role in the decision to transition (yes, they admit it). It apparently goes like this. Yes, it's possible for some people to regret "transitioning", and peer pressure, the incessant devaluing of girls and women, and cultural influences might play a role in one's decision to "transition". However, anyone who wants to "transition" should be able to. All human beings make rational decisions. We will figure it all out later. Stop being a trans-basher.....

    Or, in other words transgender interest, specifically the right to "transition" is more important than a thousand plus year history in which female bodies have been mutilated.

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  23. "As I've repeatedly said, I would keep my mouth shut and never say one more word about "transitioning" if I knew all the following were true. "

    Geez, what's it gonna take to get you off our back, you beacon of light, bearer of truth, warrior for justice in the face of all this oppression by trans people? What can we do to pass your test?

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  24. Anonymous 10

    Apparently when Dirt isn't trashing transfolk, she's trashing her own family. search "dirt-granny" on lj....and see what comes up. Dirt posts photos of HER OWN FAMILY with horrible captions (calling them fat, saying that young relatives are eating feces, etc.)

    All the psuedo-lesbian-feminist-academic horsepucky she's tried to hide behind lately is a front for a woman who treats her own kin like garbage. Oh, and here's more... http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/2008/05/04/

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  25. As I've repeatedly said, I would keep my mouth shut and never say one more word about "abortion" if I knew all the following were true.

    (a.) No one ever lives to regret abortion
    (b.) Culture, internalized misogyny, peer pressure play no role whatsoever in one’s decision to “abortion”
    (c.) Prior to hormones or surgery, it’s easy to distinguish when it's the right time for someone to have a child, and the science on this subject is clear and sound. It's something that can be measured and quantified.
    (d.) The only way to treat unwanted pregnancy is through the use of hormones and/or surgery.

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  26. As I've repeatedly said, I would keep my mouth shut and never say one more word about "birth control" if I knew all the following were true.

    (a.) No one ever lives to regret using birth control
    (b.) Culture, internalized misogyny, peer pressure play no role whatsoever in one’s decision to use birth control
    (c.) Prior to hormones or surgery, it’s easy to who want to have children someday and who don't, and the science on this subject is clear and sound. It's something that can be measured and quantified.
    (d.) The only way to prevent unwanted pregnancy is through the use of hormones and/or surgery.

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  27. As I've repeatedly said, I would keep my mouth shut and never say one more word about "treating prostate cancer" if I knew all the following were true.

    (a.) No one ever lives to regret their prostate cancer treatment
    (b.) Culture, internalized misogyny, peer pressure play no role whatsoever in one’s decision to treat prostate cancer
    (c.) Prior to hormones or surgery, it’s easy to distinguish whether prostate cancer will have a negative impact on a man's life, and the science on this subject is clear and sound. It's something that can be measured and quantified.
    (d.) The only way to treat prostate cancer is through the use of hormones and/or surgery.

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  28. As I've repeatedly said, I would keep my mouth shut and never discriminate against people if I knew all the following were true.

    (a.) No one ever lives to regret
    (b.) Culture, internalized misogyny, peer pressure play no role whatsoever in identity
    (c.) It’s easy to distinguish someone's identity, and the science on this subject is clear and sound. It's something that can be measured and quantified.
    (d.) The only way to express one's identity is through the use of hormones and/or surgery.

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  29. Just so you know who you are aligning yourself with... here's a nice link to Dirt suggesting a strong correlation between being a transman and being a pedophile.

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/539958.html

    Remember when that correlation was made between gay men and pedophilia? That was awesome!

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  30. Anonymous1

    Question:

    Is this poor ignorant person comparing the diagnosis of cancer with "gender dysphoria". If so, they truly are completely ignorant. Please listen to this carefully. THERE ARE SEVERAL CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC TESTS TO DECTECT CANCEROUS CELLS. THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR AND PRECISE. IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE QUANTIFIED? HOW DO WE QUANTIFY "GENDER DYSPHORIA"?

    Is there a lab test for "gender dyshporia? The very concept of gender identity or gender dysphoria seems to be interwoven into cultural views and attitudes. This is my main point that I've repeatedly tried to outline.

    It's truly tragic when someone is diagnosed with cancer. If any physician operated on a person without real hard science behind a diagnosis (lab work etc.), I shudder to think what would happen. Some surgeons completely remove both healthy breasts on females based on something called "gender dysphoria" which even some members of the trans community admit might be influenced by culture or peer influences. Yes, they have admitted this.

    "As I've repeatedly said, I would keep my mouth shut and never say one more word about "treating prostate cancer" if I knew all the following were true.

    (a.) No one ever lives to regret their prostate cancer treatment
    (b.) Culture, internalized misogyny, peer pressure play no role whatsoever in one’s decision to treat prostate cancer
    (c.) Prior to hormones or surgery, it’s easy to distinguish whether prostate cancer will have a negative impact on a man's life, and the science on this subject is clear and sound. It's something that can be measured and quantified.
    (d.) The only way to treat prostate cancer is through the use of hormones and/or surgery."

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  31. A lot of men do come to regret having the hormonal and surgical treatment for prostate cancer. There are other options, including just ignoring it, since most prostate cancer will never have any impact on a man's life. Right now, there's no 100% sure way to know whether leaving the cancer untreated is the right decision or not. It's at least equally possible that the treatment will cause more problems than the cancer itself will cause.

    Point is, men who are diagnosed with prostate cancer are given the ability to make an informed choice about how to treat their cancer, or not treat it. Why do they deserved different rights than a person who experiences gender dysphoria and have the opportunity to choose how to treat it?

    In one study, 16% of men with prostate cancer regretted their treatment decisions: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12771770

    In a study of transgender regret, 1-1.5% of people regretted sex change reassignment: http://www.advocate.com/politics/commentary/2007/03/13/transsexual-regret

    Since your concern about regret leads you to feel that sex change reassignment surgery should be limited, does that mean we should limit cancer treatments to men who have prostate cancer?

    There are hormonal and surgical treatment for prostate cancer. But there are also other methods for managing it. Since there are methods other than hormonal and surgical treatment, do you believe that we should never use those methods to treat prostate cancer? Since you believe we should not use those methods to treat gender dysphoria?

    I just want to know if you're logically consistent.

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  32. PS: using the word "ignorant" over and over doesn't make you seem better educated. Especially when you can't even bother to read the fact that I said there is no way to measure the future possible impact of most prostate cancer on men. I did not say there was no way to diagnose prostate cancer.

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  33. Anonymous1

    "Just so you know who you are aligning yourself with... here's a nice link to Dirt suggesting a strong correlation between being a transman and being a pedophile."

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/539958.html

    QUESTION: WHO REALLY IS: http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/539958.html


    THE ABOVE URL IS NOT THE URL FOR THIS BLOG. SEE THE DIFFERENCE.

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/

    It's very easy to throw together a blog or website that sounds similar to another blog. If you want to deliberately trash someone's reputation, this is one good way to do it.

    Ignorant people never seem to have the capacity for any type of critical thinking.

    I WANT TO KNOW WHO OWNS
    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/539958.html

    THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF A INTENTIONAL ONLINE SMEAR CAMPAIGN.

    I WOULD BET THIS POOR DEMENTED PERSON $100 THAT DIRT (THE PERSON WHO OWNS THIS BLOG) DOESN'T OWN

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/539958.html

    IGNORANCE IS SO PATHETIC SOMETIMES.....

    WHO IS
    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com

    ONE IS LIVEJOURNAL.COM AND DIRT USES BLOGSPOT.COM.

    Live Journal blog says,

    Name:

    dirtywhiteboi

    Birthdate:

    07-02

    Location:

    Madison Heights, Michigan, United States

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/profile

    HEY!, WHO IS
    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/

    The link to the article in question wasn't even written by Dirt (the person who owns this blog)

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  34. Anonymous1

    "Since your concern about regret leads you to feel that sex change reassignment surgery should be limited, does that mean we should limit cancer treatments to men who have prostate cancer?"

    First of all, if a human is born a biological female (XX), no amount of testosterone or surgery can truly turn this individual into a biological male. It's not going to happen. Second, the diagnosis of cancer is carried out in a laboratory. Scientists can actually see the cancerous cells. No such test exists for "gender dysphoria".

    My suggestion to the person who seems obsessed with prostate cancer, or comparing prostate cancer to female to male transitioning is listed below. Any diagnosis of cancer is a tragedy, but what in the heck does it have to do with FTM (female to male) "transitioning"?

    BIOLOGICAL FEMALES WHO TRANSITION DON'T HAVE A PROSTATE GLAND! NO, TESTOSTERONE CAN'T CREATE A PROSTATE GLAND WHERE NON EXISTED BEFORE.

    MY SUGGESTION:

    Ask an oncologist what prostate cancer has to do with "top surgery" or masectomies that FTMs undergo. I would be most interested in hearing what he or she has to say on the subject. Or, ask a urologist if biological females have a prostate gland. I would really like to hear what he or she has to say on the subject.

    Again, I truly feel sorry for anyone diagnosed with cancer.

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  35. Anonymous1

    Anonymous 10

    "Apparently when Dirt isn't trashing transfolk, she's trashing her own family. search "dirt-granny" on lj....and see what comes up. Dirt posts photos of HER OWN FAMILY with horrible captions (calling them fat, saying that young relatives are eating feces, etc.)

    All the psuedo-lesbian-feminist-academic horsepucky she's tried to hide behind lately is a front for a woman who treats her own kin like garbage. Oh, and here's more...

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/2008/05/04/ "

    WHO IS

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/2008/05/04/

    THIS IS .livejournal NOT .blogspot...

    IT'S NOT dirtywhiteboi67....

    pathetic .....

    p.s. I have official, well sort of official like news, kind of...like from the internet... so I know that it's 110% accurate that Dirtywhiteboi67 eats precious little kittens alive!

    It's just awful!!! Transbasher...kitten killer!!!

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  36. http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2008/07/juvey.html
    “Since I'm not sure when those fucklicks at livejournal are going to unsuspend my dirtywhiteboi account, I'll be using this one largely as my primary blogger, so that means I'll be posting regular shit here as well, deal with it!”
    and...
    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/439565.html

    Coincidence? I think not...

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  37. @ Anonymous1

    You're doing an excellent job of missing the point.

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  38. That LJ is dirt's. She references and links to it here: http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2008/12/fear-and-hate-from-trans-community.html

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  39. So, now that there is proof that it's dirt's LJ, would you like to start defending her posts there?

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  40. Man, you're so right. Ignorance, a lack of critical thinking, and the inability to take five minutes to research something sure is pathetic.

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  41. Anonymous1 (admits to not being perfect)

    "Man, you're so right. Ignorance, a lack of critical thinking, and the inability to take five minutes to research something sure is pathetic. "

    Compelling, but I would like to know two things:

    (1.) I would like to hear it from Dirt's mouth herself if the person named Dirt who owns this blog also owns
    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com

    If so, when was the last time that she posted on this blog? Are all the articles on the .livehournal.com blog hers.
    (2.) There also has to be another way of checking to see who the owner of the .livejournal.com blog is
    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com

    If I am wrong and the woman named Dirt whom I've never met in my life owns both blogs, then I admit that I'm wrong and I'm not perfect. There are literally thousands of blogs online, and many of them have very similar names.

    If all this is true, does mean that I will stop posting on this blog? The answer is no because the person named Dirt who owns this blog has NEVER told me what to think or say. I speak for myself. My thoughts are my own.

    I didn't get a chance to carefully read all the articles on the .livejournal blog.

    As I've repeatedly stated, I don't know Dirt personally, and I have no control over anything she has said in the past, or will say in the future.

    It looks as if am wrong and I'm a jackass.










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  42. From Dirt's "mouth." In her blog on this blog, she says:
    "This is a video that was posted to my LJ in response to Case's (NRLFF member) participation in upholding certain truths regarding the trans disordered and the femme/butch community. LJ links below:

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/471932.html

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/471561.html

    http://dirtywhiteboi.livejournal.com/471346.html"

    Let me reiterate, she refers to her LJ, and then posts links to the LJ in question.

    You got to hear it from dirt herself before you even asked the question!

    Here's the post again: http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2008/12/fear-and-hate-from-trans-community.html

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  43. Anonymous1

    There has been such deep bitterness and animosity between the person called Dirt and some FTMs. Notice that I say some FTMs not all transmen. This mistrust and animosity certainly goes both ways, and I do not make excuses for anything that Dirt has said in the past. She has to live with the consequences of her actions not me. I never said Dirt was a saint by any means, and I've been blogging here for about one and a half years. I don't know what she did before 2010 because I hadn't even heard of her name. During the time that I've been blogging here, I've read posts telling Dirt to die in a fire among other things. Also, I distinctly remember one irate person saying something to the effect that he or she would rather have his or her daughter grow up to be transman and get the respect from being a man than to be steered into being a carpetmuncher who gets no respect.

    Below are some comments directed towards Dirt.

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2011/12/so-much-fear-and-hatred-from-this-trans.html


    ".....You are such a weak little old hag of a bitch. Get raped by a bunch of niggers you old crow."

    "You made this story up you fucking ugly OVER-THE-HILL sagging tits, fat ass ugly repulsive CUNT. You're just jealous that you're OLD AS HELL and can NEVER EVER transition successfully the way us young dudes do! We are the men you can never, ever be. Medical science, nanotechnology and genetic engineering is advancing in ways your tiny female, estrogen-dominant gossipy female brain can NEVER imagine. CUNT. And being 25 I will reap the benefits and you will just be a corpse. You're not even masculine, this shit you're doing here is totally female...gossipy manipulative psychological warfare. Why don't you take your fat, over-sized, child-bearing hips sagging cottage cheese ass back in the kitchen and cook your disgusting wrinkled, obese crew-cut trainwreck you call a "girlfriend" another Swanson dinner you useless OLD HAG. KNOW YOUR PLACE and stop treading on us. Stupid useless cunt. No wonder there is so much misogyny...it's because of bitches like you. Suck a fat one and get AIDS".

    SOURCE:

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2011/12/so-much-fear-and-hatred-from-this-trans.html


    "when DIRT'S pussy gets WET, it turns into MUD, and that is where all the WORMS go to die. "

    August 20, 2011 7:29 PM

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2011/08/trans-trending-who-is-transitioning_20.html

    "What I see here are typical asshole feminist bitches who know nothing about FTMs, what they go through mentally, physically and emotionally with their bodies and sense of self. ...ugly ass cow. bitch, bitch....BITCH...fuggly ass dyke. Fuck off you bulldagging bitch."

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/08/ftm-where-self-hating-women-and-hatred.html

    Anonymous said...

    "I'd love to punch you in the fucking face."

    November 21, 2010 3:08 AM
    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2010/11/transmen-who-is-transitioning.html

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/

    So this blog is written by the nastiest bulldyke I have ever seen.


    Hardcore feminazi. Send her hot lesbian porn links.

    "I keep meaning to getting around to sending her meatholes porn or just videos of woman getting beaten/raped"

    https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.se/threads/this-would-make-a-great-ed-page-most-fucked-up-blog-i-have-seen.9237/

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  44. Anonymous1

    Comments directed towards Dirt...

    "The problem is that once your girlfriend starts looking like a dude everyone is going to think your're straight. Or in dirts case, a fag. You all are so obsessed with being gay. It's like you aren't even a person, you're just a gay. Eating, drinking, wearing, doing all the things all the other gays are doing. Out fighting for your butchness as if it something to be proud of. It might be true that no one likes a tranny but guess what female bodied people, EVERYONE hates a dyke."

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2011/08/transmen-and-lezbopbobia.html

    I don't think I really deserved to be called a "fucking demon trans hating cuntosauras Rex" for questioning "transitioning".

    "Anonymous said...

    And I would be very thankful if you fucked off back to hell were you come from you fucking demon trans hating cuntosauras Rex.."

    November 28, 2012 3:32 AM

    http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7052569269898007444&postID=9162809790455115207

    During the Christmas holiday, I want to take this opportunity to apologize to any person that I might have hurt during the last past year. None of us is perfect by any means, and this includes me.







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  45. @ Anonymous1

    You have hurt me. I'll accept your apology if you show you mean it, by showing an effort to not hurt people.

    Yes, a lot of people have said awful things to dirt. Dirt has said a lot of awful things about transgendered people.

    I'm not entirely sure what your point is? It seems like you're saying it's not your job to defend dirt, but you're also trying to defend her.

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  46. Yes, that's Dirt Live Journal, which she got kicked off of for inciting hatred. Yes, people have said some hateful shit right back at Dirt. Because guess what? She lies about our lives. She says we don't pass, we can't ever find love, we are rapists and child molesters, our partners are child molesters, we will die alone. Doesn't that sound alot like someone talking about gay people 50 years ago? Do you think anyone with a strong argument against transitioning would need to resort to using these kinds of accusations and invectives? It's so obvious that there is something mentally wrong with her. She doesn't deserve respect because her motives are pure evil and she is obsessed with maligning transmen. She does not care about women. We should not be expected to stand by and apologize to her for who we are. The rest of you should be careful of who you align yourself with. I think Dirt gets back what she puts into the world.

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  47. Anonmyous1

    "She [Dirt] does not care about women..."

    Please watch the video of FTM "top surgery" in which the female has both her areolas and nipples literally cut off, reshaped, and then sewn back on. Two large incisions are made to surgically cut out healthy breast tissue. Not only does FTM "transitioning" drastically alter healthy female reproductive systems, breasts, and genitals, it erases female identity itself. How is the act erasing female identity related to feminism? FTM says female to male in that female identity is being lost. In a thousand or so years from now, future humans might be able to quickly change their sex even down to the cellular DNA level. Is this something that we really want to do? None of these issues are being addressed on transgender blogs.

    Dr. Daniel Medalie performs FtM top surgery (double incision mastectomy with nipple grafting)

    http://www.surgerytheater.com/video/6423/Dr.%20Daniel%20Medalie%20performs%20FtM%20top%20surgery%20(double%20incision%20mastectomy%20with%20nipple%20grafting)

    To me, this video does look like violence being carried out on the female sex. This is what I sense, and it's difficult to put in exact words.

    It's best to copy and paste the url.

    "Doesn't that sound a lot like someone talking about gay people 50years ago?"

    Since when does the transgender community care about lesbians? Does anyone remember the "Cotton Ceiling" workshop? I remember it very well. Or, care about gay men for that matter?

    FTM calling a lesbian "cunt, "bulldagging bitch"

    A lesbian phobic heterosexual man calling a lesbian

    "cunt, "bulldagging bitch"

    It sounds very similar to me.

    Historically, we know that there have been instances in which sex reassignment surgery has been used to erase gay and lesbian identity. It has happened in Iran and is well documented.

    If this person scrolls down, he or she can read some of my posts on puberty suppressing drugs and issues related to how transitioning can erase gay or lesbian identity. Please read the post on the Advocate article.

    http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2012/08/would-you-be-transgendered-today.html

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  48. @ Anonmyous1

    OK, your last post is confusing and sounds like a bunch of random gibberish. I'm sure it makes sense to you, but probably not to most other people. It sounds like you're having a conversation with yourself.

    Trans folks care a lot about gays and lesbians. I've given up a huge portion of my time and money to campaign for equal rights for gays and lesbians, and to work to get gay marriage legalized in my state. On Sunday, I went to my best friend's marriage to his husband (they considered themselves married even if the state didn't recognize it).

    I love my gay and lesbian friends. And I have been part of gay and lesbian rights organizations since I was 15.

    Just because some trans people are homophobic, that doesn't mean the whole community has a problem with gays and lesbians. Most of us are happy to be part of the GBLT community.

    Plenty of folks on this blog sure do hate that we want to have that T in that acronym. But I'm aware that not all lesbians are transphobes. I don't go around saying that kind of stuff just because there are a few bad apples like you and dirt.

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    "Trans folks care a lot about gays and lesbians."

    Please define what "a lot" means, as in "care a lot about gays and lesbians". I find it difficult to believe that transwomen adore lesbians, or even "care a lot" about lesbians, especially the uppity, stubborn type of dykes who have the audacity to think for themselves. Cathy Brennan was incessantly hounded for this letter which has some very cogent arguments as to how replacing sex with "gender identity" ignores the needs of girls and women.

    http://radicalhub.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/communication_csw_un_brennanhungerford_08012011_.pdf

    Disagree with transwomen and they will make jokes about pimp slapping the nasty, radical lesbian, or type on their facebook that "a nice home run swing to the head with a 38-oz Louisville Slugger is more in order."

    Kat Pimps Slaps Transphobic Radical Lesbian Feminists

    http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2011/08/kat-pimps-slaps-transphobic-radical.html

    Mr. Anthony G. Casebeer, a former transgender “Anne Casebeer” was a second tier leader of the transgender civil rights movement active mostly at the level of state politics who resumed his “male identity” after many years living “as a woman”. As Anne, he was a founding member of TransFair Kentucky which later became part of the Fairness Campaign. Mr Casebeer took issue with Cathy Brennan’s co-authorship of a letter to the UN in support of Women’s Rights.


    “Pimp slap is not enough here: a nice home run swing to the head with a 38-oz Louisville Slugger is more in order. There’s no brains in her head to destroy to start with. It’s personal, and if I ever saw her in my windshield, I’ll be wiping blood off my white Buick. But I won’t be using the brakes.”.

    http://gendertrender.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/monica-violence-1.jpg

    The transgender guy in the cute hat and bow tie and his assorted toadies corner Cathy Brennan at a Dyke March and yell at her for half an hour. We can see the vein on his neck bulge out. This is a man getting into the face of a lesbian who is half his size. They approached her and demanded to be heard. She didn't approach them, and wanted to enjoy the Dyke March with other lesbians. Men in cute hats are now dykes and lesbians, and MTF (male to female) transsexuals are now "lesbians", even the transwomen who still have their "lady stick". Lesbians aren't even safe at Dyke Marches any more.

    http://vimeo.com/44796073

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  50. Anonymous1

    "Trans folks care a lot about gays and lesbians."

    Please define "a lot" as in cares a lot.

    Why do they hate Cathy Brennan? Please take the time to carefully read this letter paragraph by paragraph. Now, read all the articles about Colleen Francis. Simply google his name. Cathy Brennan certainly saw it coming.

    http://radicalhub.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/communication_csw_un_brennanhungerford_08012011_.pdf

    This letter is almost a harbinger of sorts in that it clearly outlines the ways in which girls and women suffer when the word sex is replaced with "gender identity", specifically in relation to places where women expect privacy such as women's restrooms, locker rooms, and showers. Collen Francis paraded his penis around high school girls, and had the audacity to state that his right to undress in front of high school girls is similar to the Civil Rights Movement. By the way, Colleen Francis is NOT a gay man. His sexual preferrence has always been women. He is a heterosexual man who was married twice and has children. On his OK Cupid profile he states that "Did I mention that I just love and adore women... Their touch, feel, scent, taste...are all intoxicating to me". He started estrogen about three years ago, and has said that he really isn't interested in a sex change because he likes his penis just the way it is.

    When transwomen were harassing the heck out of lesbians, having their "Cotton Ceiling" workshops, and demanding access to the Michigan Women's Music Festival no one really cared one way or another because it was just a bunch of dykes. The mothers in Olympia, Washington didn't like idea of a naked middle aged man in their daughter's locker room, and they are starting to wake up. It's just not transwomen harassing, bullying, and intentionally intimidating lesbians anymore.

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  51. Anonymous1

    "Trans folks care a lot about gays and lesbians."

    About the only thing creepier than the "Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling: Breaking Down Sexual Barriers for Queer Transwomen" workshop is the Hole-y-Army with its collection of "holes". Don't people just love the name "Hole-y-Army" as in vaginas are nothing more than holes. Who is the army? It's mostly transwomen and gender queer identified people. They like their "holes" paraded around on long sticks, especially at Dyke Marches. It's not the fetishized replicas of vulvas and vaginas made of feathers, fabric, and such that bothers me so much. Some are colorful, and I suppose they possibly could fall under the category of art, albeit creepy and tasteless art. The way these "holes" on sticks are used by transgender men, and the occasional straight or bisexual man that they can drag along to Dyke Marches is very disturbing to me. I guess it's all about trans inclusion, but the idea that vaginas and female bodies are nothing more than holes for penetration by a penis is so utterly misogynistic I cringe. They deliberately show up at Dykes Marches to push for trans inclusion, and seem to take great pleasure knowing that they make lesbians uncomfortable.

    MY VAGINA IS NOT A HOLE. LET ME REPEAT THIS. MY VAGINA IS NOT A HOLE. The sole purpose of the Hole-Y-Army is to intimidate lesbians at one of the few places one day a year where they have historically met for decades. The Hole-Y-Army with its fetishized, feathered "holes" on sticks is like a knife to my lesbian soul. It's as if someone reached into my chest and ripped out my lesbian heart. My lesbian soul feels as if it's been raped. They do this because they KNOW it's offensive to lesbians.

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  52. Anonymous1

    "Trans folks care a lot about gays and lesbians."

    Despite knowing full well that the "Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling: Breaking Down Sexual Barriers for Queer Transwomen" at Planned Parenthood of Toronto that excluded FAAB (females assigned at birth) was offensive to women in general, and lesbians in particular, they held their workshop anyway. The subject was the "cotton ceiling" which, as I understand it, was first coined by trans porn star Drew DeVeaux. This term was co-opted and taken from the old feminist term "glass ceiling" which referred to the inability of women to break through to higher levels of power and authority. That is, women could only advance so far up the corporate ladder. It's bad enough that an old feminist term was so blatantly co-opted, but what they did with this term was so sexist and lesbian phobic that I shudder just thinking about it. So, from what I gather, Drew DeVeaux and others took this feminist term and applied it to lesbians who have no interest in having sex with transwomen. The "Cotton Ceiling" refers to lesbians, or sexual access to women who identify as lesbian. Many lesbians support transgender rights, but have no interest at all in having sex with transwomen. That is, transwomen can only go so far with lesbians.

    I ask the reader to look carefully at the title of this workshop that was held at Planned Parenthood of all places. The title says "overcoming" and "breaking down sexual barriers" in reference to one class of women. This one class of women is lesbians, and lesbians weren't allowed in the workshop. This workshop was for MAAB (male assigned at birth) gender queer and transwomen. This workshop made no distinction between pre-op and post-op transwomen. Essentially, humans with penises were having a workshop on "overcoming" and "breaking down sexual barriers" to lesbians. In discussing ways to "overcome" and "break down sexual barriers" to lesbians, lesbians don't even need to be in the room. I ask the reader to imagine this. What would happen if straight males held a workshop that excluded females, and the title of the workshop was "Overcoming the Silk Thong: Breaking Down Sexual Barriers for Straight Men", and they had the audacity to hold it Planned Parenthood of all places? I imagine there would be rioting and protests. In the enire history of Planned Parenthood, has there ever been one group of women who need their sexual barriers broken down? Lesbians have been told all their lives that they really need to love penis. There is extreme pressure on lesbians to become heterosexual and to just try penis. Now, it's coming from transwomen and male gender queer. The vaginas of lesbians are NOT community property.

    We stated in a polite and respectful manner that this workshop was offensive to us, but they had no intention of listening to us. Indeed, we were branded "transphobic" for even speaking out.

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  53. Oh for fucks sake. I've never witnessed such a bunch of self-righteous, false, victim, bullshit. You act like everyone is trying to get into lesbian vagina. Just because a few transwomen want to vent about getting rejected, doesn't mean they are breaking down your doors trying to get in your pants. Jesus. Oooooh, somebody shouted at Cathy Brennan at a rally. Why the fuck is she so concerned about transwomen anyway? What a waste of energy. Are sex slavery or the constant erosion of abortion rights just not real threats compared to a few transgirls wishing lesbians would date them? Get the fuck over yourself, you paranoid, hysterical, self-involved pathetic loser. NOBODY wants in your vagina. And yes, I care about my lesbian friends alot. But they are not crazy.

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