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Thursday, November 1, 2012

Transmen-Testosterone use and Smelly Vagina's and Urine

I just wanted to make a brief post about the issue trans females have with two of the many negative effects of testosterone use; vaginal odor and urine odor. It is no exaggeration that I receive a hundred plus hits a week to this blog from trans females seeking answers as to whether it is "normal" for their vagina's to begin smelling after T use and for their urine to become strongly foul-smelling. The short answer to both is, Yes.

Vagina's (when healthy) are your basic perfect self cleaning ovens, despite patriarchy's misogynistic portrayal of all vagina's as reeking. Do vagina's have a natural (appealing) smell? Yes! But when hormone levels are off, vagina's can become foul-smelling. And testosterone use is going to obviously throw the vagina's natural workings out of whack, causing the vagina to at least be malodorous, and at worst yeast infected.

While there is little a trans female can do to alter the negative way testosterone use affects urine scent, there are things that trans females can do to help the negative ways testosterone affects their vagina's. There are several vaginal soaps on the market that are designed to work with your vagina's PH levels and safe to use in the shower daily. And as bad as douching is for females not taking testosterone, for trans females this too can help with your vagina's odor issues. Because dysphoria and female shame remains after testosterone use, trans females, if embarrassed or ashamed to purchase these kinds of products can have close (trust worthy) female lovers/friends/family purchase these products for them.

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  1. My vagina and urine smell has changed, but I don't think it's foul smelling. It was a surprise, because that's one effect of T I wasn't aware of (apparently it's not common enough to list as a common side effect in most places). After a few weeks, I've become so used to it that I barely notice it.

    I've heard some transmen say that they used to dislike the smell of men's bathrooms, but after being on T and having their own scent change, it was no longer an issue. Again, I don't think it's a foul smell, just a different smell.

    I don't recommend those ph balancing soaps. I've known about them a long time, and I'm confident that they're bullshit ways to sell more crap you don't need.

    Douching will cause the same problem for transitioning people that it does for non-transitioning women.

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  2. How sweet of you, Dirt.

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  3. I feel like I should follow up with why I think the ph balancing soap is bullshit.

    I have had chronic yeast infections since I hit puberty. Most of the time, they start for me just before my period, and go away just after my period starts. My doctor at one time told me that this was probably due to the natural changes in ph we experience throughout our menstrual cycle. When I started menstruating, my ph balance got back to where it should be, and that helped fix the yeast imbalance.

    When I learned this, I started trying all kinds of things to get my ph balance to stay as ideal as possible. Those ph balancing soaps was one of the things I tried. They never had any affect, and as I read up about other women's experiences with those soaps, I found a lot of people with the same experiences.

    Probably the best way to maintain a certain ph is through diet. You should work with a nutritionist to figure out what you are or are not eating that is affecting your ph negatively if it's a concern.

    By the way, since I have started testosterone, I have experienced fewer problems from yeast infections. They haven't gone away completely, but I don't get as much irritation from them as I used to. I have no idea why. I know that the general belief is that testosterone should increase the likelihood of getting yeast infections (that's not just something Dirt says). No doctor has ever been able to explain why I had chronic yeast infections in the first place, so no one has been able to guess as to why testosterone has reduced the problem for me.

    Also, to follow up on douching: don't do it ever, unless a doctor has told you to for some reason. If you really do have a bad odor, that's a sign of a problem and DOUCHING WILL MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE. If you're on testosterone and really concerned about the way you smell, talk to your doctor. They can help you determine if there's a problem, or if it's just natural changes.

    More info on douching: http://womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/douching.cfm

    And hey, if they are natural changes, you'll either get used to them, or you might decide to stop taking testosterone if you never do get used to them. Your scent will go back to the way it was before (I've heard this from people who have stopped testosterone).

    -C

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  4. PPS: I'm aware that trans-deniers won't think that any changes due to testosterone therapy can be considered "natural changes." That is a matter of opinion.

    The fact that douching is bad for you, however, is a fact.

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  5. If you take testosterone, you will stink like a man, plain and simple.

    But of course, men don't have a vagina. If they did, it would probably smell pretty bad too.

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  6. "despite patriarchy's misogynistic portrayal of all vagina's as reeking"

    "If you take testosterone, you will stink like a man, plain and simple"

    I love this blog lol.

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  7. If men think vaginas are rank, why would they be obsessed with having sex with them?

    Dirt, shut up. I've been to the doctor six times this year alone concerning this issue and I'm not on hormones. I've had about three pap smears and blood tests. They all come back clear. Thanks for making me feel even worse about something I can't control.

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  8. DO NOT use a douche, this will put this will be the cause of bad smells. do not clean INSIDE either. whether on testosterone or not, the vagina is self cleansing and does not need the aid of ph balancing soaps or any fragrances soaps or gels. please see a medical professional if you have any worries about infections/smells, regardless of whether you are on testosterone or not.

    obviously testosterone causes changes to the vagina, that is a given, but it will NOT be the sole cause of continuous infections. your doctor should be used to similar things in post/menopausal women, so seek advice from them.

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  9. Dirt, please change your post. I know you don't care about making people feel badly, but you're telling female-bodied people to do something that is bad for them, no matter how they identify. Please don't contribute to making people think that they should douche. It's harmful.

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  10. 8:06 here. Dirt's advice to douche is 100% against what I have been told by medical professionals. I do not (and never have) douche and use only prescribed creams/treatments when I am given them by a specialist which help a little, but since there is no "cause", I don't see it going away any time soon - it will probably disappear just as randomly as it appeared but having this problem is just something I have to deal with.

    Dirt, your post is insulting and medically flawed. You are entitled to talk about your feelings regarding trans people, but your advise to female-bodied people is wrong and needs edited.

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  11. Dirt, can't you at least respond to the people asking for you to change the part about douching?

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  12. My spouse is female by birth, androgyne identified and on testosterone to aquire more typical male physical traits. As a result there was a bit of an issue with this at first. It was cleared up with a once a week small dose of estrace vaginal cream.
    Fixed the problem right up and as it is only a once weekly and a localized small dose it does not interfere with the masculinization process of testosterone.

    Signed:
    Anon out of respect for my spouse.

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  13. Hudson’s FTM guide is probably the most comprehensive health guide for FTMs.

    http://www.ftmguide.org/tandhealth.html#yeast

    ***Yeast infections and bacterial vaginosis

    Hormonal changes can cause changes in the vaginal environment. This can bring about two common types of vaginal infections: yeast infections and bacterial vaginosis. In order to treat these infections properly, it is important to properly diagnose which type of infection you may have by seeing your doctor.
    A yeast infection is caused by the overgrowth of a naturally occurring yeast, Candida albicans, in the vagina. If there is a change in the vaginal environment due to hormonal fluctuations, injury, a compromised immune system, increased pH, increased heat and moisture, allergic reactions, elevated sugar levels, or reductions in the populations of bacteria that are normally present, Candida albicans will multiply rapidly and cause the symptoms of a yeast infection. Symptoms include itching and/or a burning sensation around or inside the vagina; a white, clumpy discharge that may look like cottage cheese (discharge can also be thinner and faintly yellow or nearly clear in color); and a smell that is similar to bread or beer.

    Treatment of a yeast infection can range from over-the-counter or prescription treatments such as Diflucan or Monistat to natural home remedies such as inserting plain, unpasteurized yogurt into the vagina, drinking unsweetened cranberry juice, or consuming acidophilus. Check with your doctor for advice if yeast infections continue to occur. They may be more common in the beginning of hormonal transition.
    The yeast infection should not be confused with bacterial vaginosis (BV), another kind of vaginal infection. BV occurs when certain types of bacteria (such as Gardnerella vaginalis, Bacteroides, Mobiluncus, and Mycoplasma hominis) outnumber the normal Lactobacillus bacteria due to a change in the vaginal environment. The primary symptom of BV is an abnormal gray-white vaginal discharge that often has a fish-like odor. There may also be itching and/or a burning sensation around the vagina.
    Bacterial vaginosis is usually treated with antibiotics. Check with your doctor for advice if BV continues to occur. It may be more common in the beginning of hormonal transition.

    http://www.ftmguide.org/tandhealth.html#yeast


    The right PH and lubrication keeps the vagina healthy and happy. Common sense tells us that long term hormone use can throw this delicate balance off.

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  14. Manly smells eminating from genetic females…….very interesting….

    Transmen discussing the effects of "T" or testosterone...

    http://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=95657.0

    "Well, this is a slightly embarrassing topic. I'm okay with the change for the most part, I actually think I smell decent now whereas pre-T there was an almost rancid odor to my sweat and such. However, it's a much stronger smell. Especially the smell of my privates... I could have just taken a shower, but if I get aroused the scent is really powerful. I might just be sitting on the sofa and suddenly I'll catch a whiff, and it's a little disconcerting. First, because I'm not used to it and I don't expect it, and secondly because it reminds me of the precise nature of what's smelling like that. And once that happens, the smell sticks around for quite a while. Is this normal? And can anything be done about it? I know I have a sensitive sense of smell, but it still seems fairly noticeable and I get self conscious about it.
    “I don't know if you can do anything much about normal male crotch odor. I've spent all my life around men and in sexual relationships with men, so I'm used to the smell and like it. I don't know what your orientation is or what experiences you've had (you look pretty young, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything), but the smell can be disconcerting if you're not used to it.

    Guys can get yeast infections and fungal infections down there, by the way.” [guys get yeast infections and fungal infections?]

    “One of the few changes I've actually noticed. I stink constantly.. 20 minutes out of the shower and my armpits already are disgusting. Smell down there... it used to be pretty consistent.. now some days it's absolutely horrible and other days almnost non existant. showering doesn't help for much longer then an hour.. but then again I really don't notice it unless I've been handling my junk and therefore have it on my hands. In general I used to be able to get away with not washing tshirts even if I wore them 4 or 5 days.. they'd be good for a while. Now I'm lucky if I get a day or two before they are nasty nasty nasty. I find myself applying deodorant before i go to sleep now even.. to try and cut down overnight smell.”

    "Okay, all joking aside, I was honestly wondering about the exact same thing because I've noticed body odors of mine changing rapidly. My clothes smell VERY similar to my dad....the scent of my urine is definitely different. Underarm smell...not much of a change there (thankfully). Although I DO notice that it takes a much shorter amount of time for me to start smelling again *overall*.

    "My feet have always been the worst problem area and it's only gotten worse since starting T. I think it's almost time I invested in a new pair of tennis shoes that aren't fully saturated in foot odor (even after washing the shoes) and some foot powder. I'm one of those people where I like sandals, but I know they're bad for the feet AND it rains a lot where I live and so I like using sturdy shoes."

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  15. "There are a lot of other health related issue involved in testosterone besides vaginal dryness such as a male balding pattern, acne, elevated liver levels, polycythemia, increased red blood cell count, elevated lipid profile, hypertension, and PCOS. I suppose PCOS, elevated lipid profile, or elevated liver levels would be more problematic than vaginal dryness which can be relieved with small amounts of low dose estrogen cream, or another cream for dryness."

    http://www.ftmguide.org/tandhealth.html#sideeffects

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  16. Why do you insist on spamming stuff copied and pasted from other sites like that? Could you maybe use your own words and contribute to the discussion, and maybe post the links as sources?

    By the way, most of us trans folks know about the ftmguide.org (or know the information you're pasting from other sources).

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  17. Since the general subject is vaginas, the following is how many transmen describe their vaginas.

    “Front hole”, “man cave” , “ junk”, “cunt”…………what enlightened transmen call their vagina, clitoris, labia

    QUESTION:

    “I've heard of trans guys calling theirs a "dicklet", their "front whole" and a "click",

    ANSWERS:

    “My "clit" I call my cock or dick, no exceptions there, ever.

    As for my front entry, I am pretty flexible on that. Sometimes I call it my pussy, or my front hole. I am fine with either.”

    “As a child, it was my "polly" Now it's my vadge or cunt. I hate the word vagina.”

    “When talking about my junk... anatomy wise, I just refer to it as clitoris, labia and vagina. That's what they technically are and I'm fine calling them that. Sexually, I usually say my "junk" or "front hole".”

    “I just call it my cunt.”

    “I'm genderqueer, it very much varies based on my mood and how I'm interacting with someone... I usually say "cock" and sometimes "boi cunt" for my other parts.”

    “I like the word cunt, or just vagina/vulva is adequate.”

    “I just use the word junk. I don't like referring to it to much”

    “I've never had a word for any of my junk that I actually liked, not specifically at least. I like the word cunt but sometimes the gendering of that is uncomfortable to me, and not all folks are receptive to it. I'm not masculine enough to want to call my clit my dick or cock, but I'm not sure that I really like clit either...it's hard. I usually just don't refer to my junk by name and just call it "junk" haha.”

    “i say junk or dick, sometimes cock”

    “generally, I don't refer to my actual anatomy, I just call my packer my junk if I have to call it something, it's the man cave”

    “I dont like talking about my junk as being a "vagina", i find it too dysphoric.

    "I call my clit my cock or dick"

    MY BLEEDING DICK

    “well I feel most comfortable when my partner just calls my junk a dick/penis/whatever. But I guess ask the person you're sleeping with because yeah, everyone's different. I sometimes call it a manhole, but normally I just refer to my junk as a dick. Like even when it's that time of month, I say "my dick's bleeding".”

    AND THE WINNER IS!

    “I say dick, junk, or parts for the clit area. For the whole shebang, I call it the man cave”.

    http://www.edenfantasys.com/sex-forum/glbt/transgendered-issues/what-do-you-call-your/

    OPINION: The entire female reproductive system is exquisitely beautiful in its complexity. No, it’s not junk by any means, and a clitoris is not a cock. Perhaps if we could say the actual words vagina or clitoris, we would learn to appreciate them more. At least, this is my general observation.

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  18. @7:37

    That's how the people who decided to reply on that forum refer to their vaginas.

    You need to realize that everything you see on a sex toy site is not going to be representative of all people in a certain group.

    Also, "junk" is a term for sex organs. It's not a derogatory word for female sex organs specifically. In fact, it's usually used for male sex organs.

    I strongly believe that people should feel comfortable talking about their bodies. But if they find language that makes them comfortable, then they should be allowed to use that language to refer to their own bodies.

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  19. a Penis isn't a "cock" either, "cock" is a slang term, so if someone wants to call their clit a cock, they can, so saying "a clit is not a cock" is just a retarded thing to say, its slang, it isn't written in stone.
    we don't need to debate about this, plenty of gay men call their anus their pussy, or man pussy, its fucking slang, right and wrong don't come in to it.
    End of Story.

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  20. @12:18

    The argument from a feminist perspective is that using this kind of slang is harmful, because it vilifies or dismisses female bodies and encourages self-hate.

    To a certain extend, I understand this perspective. I am strongly against vilifying female bodies. However, I also believe that a FtM transsexual is not female, so if they chose to redefine their body parts in a masculine way, that is not misogyny, it's a way of expressing gender identity.

    Of course, trans-deniers won't agree with this. It's tricky separating misogyny from non-conforming gender expression. It may not be possible to completely separate them. That, however, does not invalidate transgender identities. After all, there are women who identify as female who choose to use slang that vilifies femaleness. Women are just as likely as anyone else to call people or body parts cunts, for example.

    It would be nice if people in general were aware of how important an awareness of language is to deconstruct misogyny, racism, heterosexism, and the "ism" word that I'm not allowed to use here for the discrimination of transsexuals. And I do applaud the efforts of people who want to bring awareness to this issue. However, I do not believe that just because transgendered people use misogynist language, that invalidates their identity or their opinions, any more than it invalidates the identities and opinions of biologic women.

    Anyway, I just wanted to help folks understand why feminist trans-deniers have a preoccupation with the slang that transmen use. I just feel they're coming at it the wrong way. Instead of trying to say that tranmen are self-hating women, they should be saying that all people, including transmen, should be aware of how certain slang can be misogynistic.

    And they should stop telling transmen that they can't refer to their clits as cocks. Honestly, in a biological sense, you could say that penises are just really big clitorises anyway.

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  21. It appears to me that feminists are easily offended, they wouldn't want to be treated like men because men aren't very PC towards each other to begin with.
    Men call each other dicks and nobs and wankers all the time, its not a big deal to men, but call a women a cunt and holy shit misogyny!
    If you want to be treated equally to men, you need to grow a thicker skin, otherwise you just want people to walk on eggshells for you because your a women.

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  22. @4:55

    No, this isn't about being easily offended. It's about looking closely at the things we do without even thinking about it. It's about being critical thinkers. Language is very powerful, and changing language is a legitimate way to encourage respect and equal rights.

    We can take, for example, the way that white people used to call black men "boy" no matter how old they were. Most white people didn't mean it in an offensive way, they were just used to saying it. And they might have argued that a black person who was offended by that should "grow a thicker skin." But really, the acceptance of calling a grown man "boy" no matter what the situation, was just a symptom of a larger problem. Black men were looked down on, dismissed, considered less intelligent and less emotionally evolved then white people. We no longer think it's OK to call a black employee "boy." There was an actual conscious effort to stop that, by forcing society to realize that it was derogatory.

    And yes, we do say things like "that boy is cute" about adult males. But this is where the critical thinking comes in. A person looking at an attractive man and referring to them as a boy in this situation is not the same as a white manager in an office calling his black employee boy.

    I am not advocating banning words, or saying that women who are friend shouldn't be able to playfully call each other cunts if they want to. But that word can be very hurtful and derogatory, so it is useful to acknowledge that. And it is a word born from vilifying femaleness, so it's good to be aware of that too.

    Women deserve equal rights and equal respect. No one should have to put up with insulting language if they don't want to. There are men who are not OK with that kind of language (I work with one. He freaks out every time I swear). As a trans person, and a feminist, I feel it is unreasonable and really horrible for you to say that women need to grow a thicker skin if they believe they deserve to have the same rights as men.

    This is really off topic. I just wanted to explain where feminist trans-deniers are coming from when they complain about the language transguys use to describe their own bodies. It's important to understand the perspective of the people you want to argue with.

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  23. Just thought I'd mention that Raspberry Leaf Tea can help maintain a healthy uterus and reduce uterine cramping that some trans guys experience as well.

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  24. I hadn't heard of raspberry leaf tea before. And it looks like your statement about helping with uterine cramping is verifiably true! That surprises me with all the wacky home remedies you find online.

    More info: http://www.pregnancy.com.au/resources/topics-of-interest/pregnancy/raspberry-leaf.shtml

    I've always had bad cramps, so I'm going to try this out.

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  25. November 4, 2012 7:39 PM

    I still entirely disagree, firstly, the example of a white person calling a black person "boy" is entirely different, words like "dick" and "cunt" are supposed to be offensive. we use them to offend, weather in an aggressive or playful way.
    also, no one is entitled to respect, respect is earned, self entitlement seems to be something feminists show a lot of.

    "No one should have to put up with insulting language if they don't want to" what does that mean? I can understand sensitivity at work or other private areas, but these days people can be offended by ANYTHING. how do you weed out what is and what isn't insulting?

    "I feel it is unreasonable and really horrible for you to say that women need to grow a thicker skin if they believe they deserve to have the same rights as men."
    Firstly, women have if not more rights than men, but women expect extra special treatment men simply dont give themselves, men are expected to have a thicker skin.
    example
    I could pick out hundreds of examples of women slapping men followed by canned laughter from American TV shows, In the media, men are constantly being attacked by women, and its supposed to be funny, now if this was the other way round, if violence against women on tv was constantly portrayed as funny, feminists would be demanding such footage should be stopped, and I assume they already have, since such visuals are rare.
    To be honest I don't mind that women slapping men followed by canned laughter is so prominent in the media, however i find it sexist that footage of women being slapped by men is none-existent.

    I am not advocating that we stop showing women slapping men, I just think that to have true equality, we should be able to show visuals of women being slapped by men in a comical way.

    you see, the feminist way is political correctness, simply banning things that gets enough people whining about it, whereas I would rather people loosen up and grow a thicker skin, rather than take away our rights to laugh at men getting abused by women, equalize it by also allowing us to laugh at women being abused by men, and let women take it on the chin like men already have to.

    Political correctness is slowly chipping away at our freedom of speech and expression.

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  26. To clarify, women can choose to be equal to men and grow a thicker skin, or they can elevate themselves above men, and expect special treatment.

    people today recognize what language is and is not demeaning or insulting, there is no language today that is commonly used to demean a demographic that is treated as acceptable, we use demeaning language knowing it is demeaning.

    The use of words like dick and cunt or even bitch are just none-issues, they don't harm anyone, they aren't oppressing anyone and being insulted is not oppression.






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  27. The Japanese view body odor as a symptom of impaired liver function and take it quite seriously.

    Anyone taking synthetic hormones is destroying their liver. Our bodies are already over-taxed trying to purge itself of pollutants and toxins that have only recently been introduced into the environment.

    We simply do not know how this will all play out but WHY ON EARTH would you subject your body to more abuse? There is evidence that GMO foods destroy the liver as well, and thank God there is a good work being done to protect the public from GMO poisons.

    Liver disease is a slow, painful, and miserable death and not worth ANY issues you may have with your sexuality, gender identity, or clothing fetishes.

    Here's my opinion: dress as you will, think what you want, but as an adult be responsible with your health and DO NOT TAKE TESTOSTERONE!

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  28. "DO NOT TAKE TESTOSTERONE!"
    FUCK YOU!

    eh hem

    people drink alcohol and smoke, these are choices they make, knowing full well the implications.

    There is a vast amount of things we choose to do that we feel better our lives that come with great consequences.

    So you know what? fuck you cunt, fuck you.

    the smokers, the drinkers, the drug users, the bikers, the sportsman, the boxers and fighters, the stunt men, the base jumpers and everyone else who puts themselves at risk every day, don't want you fucking dictating to them how to live their fucking lives.

    Have a nice day :)



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  29. @ 10:20

    Holy crap. And people here keep calling trans people dellusional. I'm not even going to pretend that deserves a serious response.

    @ 11:44

    Any kind of medication can be taxing on the liver. Some are worse than others. If you think people who are dealing with gender dysphoria shouldn't take testosterone because of the ptotential effects on the liver, then you should also tell people with headaches not to take apsirin, people with depression to not take anti-depressants, women taking birth control pills, oh and people who have other medical issues which are reducing hormone production not to take hormones.

    It may be that you believe medication is bad no matter what (I believe some religions think that). But I believe that's batshit insane.

    The fact is that all medications, testosterone has possitive effects, and potential negative effects. People should work with their doctors closely to ensure they monitor liver function and stop testosterone if necessary.

    Here's how my anti-depresant can affect my liver: http://livertox.nlm.nih.gov/CitalopramEscitalopram.htm
    NsAIDs: http://livertox.nlm.nih.gov/NonsteroidalAntiinflammatoryDrugs.htm
    Aspirin: http://livertox.nlm.nih.gov/Aspirin.htm
    Estrogen and oral contraceptive: http://livertox.nlm.nih.gov/Estrogens.htm

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  30. Did you know that the testosterone I inject is made from jicamas (Mexican yams)? I've been on it for ten years and my liver values are very healthy. I take a milk thistle supplement to help my liver process everything it has to. Elevated red blood cell count and many other effects of testosterone are basically the health effects of being male. Others result from having female organs, such as PCOS, and should be treated accordingly. Honestly, the list of things I've avoided *because* of transitioning and having a hysto far outweighs the negatives. People are mostly fine with a little preventative maintenance. I'm not going to coddle young transmen and accept that they've been victimized if they didn't understand the effects of transitioning. That is just an extension of the false believe that all female born people are victims and have no agency. Insulting.

    Since non-trans people are constantly dying from cancer and other situations beyond their control, I'd rather live the way that feels right while I can. Shoot, I really could get hit by a bus tomorrow, considering that I commute by bicycle!

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  31. @ 2:03

    That's a very good point, there are a lot of things you can do to help counteract potential negative effects of testosterone (or any medication). I've been making changes to my diet to ensure that I maintain healthy cholesterol levels, for example. It would have been ideal if I had always been eating the way I do now, but the fact that I wanted to take testosterone is what gave me the push I needed to make these healthy changes.

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  32. Totally unrelated: I hope everyone is voting today (if you haven't voted already).

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  33. Trans Biology 101

    "Honestly, in a biological sense, you could say that penises are just really big clitorises anyway."

    In case people haven't noticed, females don't pee through their clitoris.

    There are a lot of differences between a penis and a clitoris. I won't bore the reader with all the differences. A penis is part of both the reproductive system of males and the male urinary tract.

    The clitoris appears to have no other function than pleasure.

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  34. @ 2:40

    No, this is real biology, not any specific group's interpretation of biology.

    The clitoris forms from the same embryonic tissues and is controlled by similar brain mechanisms as the penis in males.

    When a fetus starts developing external genitalia, they are exactly the same in males and females. Both develop what's called the phallus, that phallus eventually differentiates into the clitoris or the penis (after differentiation, the penis includes the urethra).

    The only reason they differentiate is if the Y chromosome creates the necessary "signals" for male characteristics to develop. If there is no Y chromosome, or if the Y chromosome fails to work properly, then mammals default to female.

    Basically, any body part on a male is just a modified form of a female body part. Ovaries/testicles, clitoris/penis.

    Human sexuality 101 FTW.

    If you're curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_reproductive_system#Common_development

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  35. "No, this is real biology, not any specific group's interpretation of biology.

    The clitoris forms from the same embryonic tissues and is controlled by similar brain mechanisms as the penis in males.

    When a fetus starts developing external genitalia, they are exactly the same in males and females. Both develop what's called the phallus, that phallus eventually differentiates into the clitoris or the penis (after differentiation, the penis includes the urethra).

    The only reason they differentiate is if the Y chromosome creates the necessary "signals" for male characteristics to develop. If there is no Y chromosome, or if the Y chromosome fails to work properly, then mammals default to female."

    I understand this very well. This is fetal development, and I understand basically what it entails. In a male, SRY and other genes induce differentiation of supporting cells into Sertoli cells and (indirectly) steroidogenic cells into Leydig cells to form testes, which become microscopically identifiable and begin to produce hormones by week 8Germ cells become spermatogonia.
    Without SRY, ovaries form during months 2-6. I know that without the proper signal from the Y chromosome mammals default to female.

    Well, I'm not a two month old fetus because if I were I wouldn't be typing this post. To state that a clitoris is the same as a penis is ludicrous on its face.

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  36. @ 8:49

    Nobody said they're exactly the same. But they're not entirely dissimilar either. My main point was that there's no reason a person shouldn't be able to use slang when they refer to their genitalia.

    So let me get back to expounding on the real point I was making. Calling a clit a cock does not change what the clitoris is. It doesn't change its form or function.

    However, we can change our relationship to objects through our language. We can change how we feel. While the clitoris is not going to magically become a penis (and all transmen are aware of this), transmen can use language about their own bodies that make them more comfortable and confident about themselves. They can use language that aligns with their identity. This is not delusion. This is just one method of people forming a relationship with their own bodies that helps with their mental and emotional well being.

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  37. I just wanted to stop in and personally thank all the transmen and transwomen who voted for Obama. Despite people thinking you are sick, sad, delusional, pathetic, freaky, and undeserving of love, you know you are beautiful, strong, and kind. You know that we cannot afford to have rape apologists, pro-lifers and silver-spoon businessmen running this country. You voted for women and their rights because of who YOU are, despite the people on this blog who bring shame upon the word feminist.

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  38. "I just wanted to stop in and personally thank all the transmen and transwomen who voted for Obama. Despite people thinking you are sick, sad, delusional, pathetic, freaky, and undeserving of love, you know you are beautiful, strong, and kind. You know that we cannot afford to have rape apologists, pro-lifers and silver-spoon businessmen running this country. You voted for women and their rights because of who YOU are, despite the people on this blog who bring shame upon the word feminist."

    I just wanted to stop in and personally thank all the women (they far out number transmen and transwomen) who voted for Obama. By women, I mean females not MTF (male to female transsexuals).

    Without the women's vote, where would Obama be?

    I'm a proud female who voted for Obama.

    Also, THANK YOU TRANS FOLKS TOO! THANK YOU EVERYONE!

    "You voted for women and their rights because of who YOU are, despite the people on this blog who bring shame upon the word feminist."

    Sorry, but I can't let this statement stand without commenting. I'm so ashamed of myself because I'm reprehensible. I need to understand trans feminism.

    Trans ideas of feminism:

    (45 year old men in dresses exposing their genitals to 17 year old high school girls...yes it really happened...you can't make this **it up.)

    Colleen Francis should have been arrested on the spot. Since this 45 year old ex-military men has been on female hormones for two years and calls himself Colleen, he gets to shower and undress around high school girls. Mr. Francis doesn't give a rat's patooty about how women feel. He is a self-entitled prick. Women need to understand this. The sooner women understand this, the better off we will be. By the way, the parents have legal representation. This is a link to the police report.

    http://www.adfmedia.org/files/EvergreenPoliceReport.pdf

    When FTM (female to male) transitioning ("chest masculinization", a life time of testosterone, and possible surgical alteration of healthy female genitals) involves the erasing of female identity, how can the act of erasing female identity be considered feminist? "Chest masculinization" or "top surgery" which involves the surgical cutting away of both healthy breasts is "feminist". Yes, I finally understand. Transmen are so in tune to their inner female selves that have trouble even saying the words vagina or clitoris. Instead, it's a boi cunt, dick, or junk.

    “I say dick, junk, or parts for the clit area. For the whole shebang, I call it the man cave”.

    http://www.edenfantasys.com/sex-forum/glbt/transgendered-issues/what-do-you-call-your/

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  39. @ 6:45

    There have already been responses to all the bullshit you just spouted again.

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  40. 6:45, Why don't you just go ahead and admit that you are the type of person who thinks all black men are rapists because some have raped?

    By the way, I never said I was a feminist. You don't have to be one to vote for equal pay, and abortion rights. You just have to be smart.

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  41. Real trans feminism includes (but is not limited to):

    -The belief that all individuals, regardless of gender, have a right to equal pay, equal job opportunities, and equal educational opportunities.

    -The belief that all individuals have a right to health care, and a right manage their own health and their own bodies with the help of their doctors, and without interference from others.

    -The belief that women are systematically discriminated against, and that action needs to be taken to end that discrimination. Ending discrimination against women does not require ignoring the struggle to end discrimination against other groups.

    -The belief that women and femininity are to be valued as much as men and masculinity.

    -Acknowledgment and abhorrence of rape culture

    Of course, not all feminists think the same way, so not all trans feminists believe exactly the same things as I, a trans feminist, believe.

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  42. Some more actual trans feminism:

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-trans/#TowTra

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  43. look up words like "man" "MRA" and "misogyny" on Urban dictionary, where feminists have written their own ridiculous definitions and VOTE BOTTED their definitions in to the 12000 range.

    Then look up "feminist" where all the definitions feminists like have been vote botted up to 39000

    does this sound like the actions of a group that is confident in their cause?
    This is exactly the behavior Dirt would criticize in trans people.

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  44. @2:40

    OK, I'm pro-trans and have no love for dirt, but I don't understand what your point is.

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  45. No point, just felt like jabbing at feminism.

    I am trans and I believe patriarchal theory is a crock of shit.
    I don't believe feminism is the road to equality.

    People arguing about trans feminism and how you cant be trans and a feminist, well I wouldn't want to be a feminist regardless.
    You might as well be arguing that you cant be trans and christian, yeah, so what?




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  46. @ 5:15

    That's fine that you don't want to be a feminist. But I'm trans and I am a feminist. There are bad feminists, like Dirt, but that doesn't mean that feminism is all bullshit.

    Just like there are bad trans people. Trans-deniers look at those bad trans individuals and say that all trans people are bad.

    Let's not try to go down the same road as them, and act like feminists are all bad people because we can see examples of some bad feminists.

    Also, just like there are a lot of different kinds of trans people, who have different opinions and different ideas of what it means to be trans, there are a lot of different feminists and feminist philosophies.

    "So what?" So, there are people who think that trans people are all anti-feminist. While some probably are (especially after the poor treatment the trans community has received by some feminists), not all of us think that way. It's important for the feminist trans-deniers to know that not all trans people want to be their enemies. A lot of us work with feminists, and lesbians, and other groups to help ensure equality for all. We don't believe that you have to exclude other people to get our own rights.

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  47. ohh no, you have misunderstood me, I don't dislike feminism because there are bad feminists, I dislike feminism because regardless of weather you are a "good" feminist or a "bad" feminist, you are giving momentum to a movement that discriminates against men and boys through legislation.
    I'm not talking a few crazy cat ladies in support of a "castration day" I mean real legislation that benefits females at the expense of males, that exists NOW.

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  48. @ 7:05

    No. That is not true. That is as patently ridiculous as when Dirt says that all MtF's are sexual deviants, or when she says the male medical community is pressuring women to transition.

    If you want to give me examples of what you're talking about, I will explain to you why you're wrong, using facts (not opinion or feelings).

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  49. I'm bored. Why hasn't Dirt said anything crazy in a while?

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  50. just felt like jabbing at feminism....

    "No point, just felt like jabbing at feminism.

    I am trans and I believe patriarchal theory is a crock of shit.

    I don't believe feminism is the road to equality.

    People arguing about trans feminism and how you cant be trans and a feminist, well I wouldn't want to be a feminist regardless.
    You might as well be arguing that you cant be trans and christian, yeah, so what?"

    It's so refreshing to get an honest, direct, and candid opinion for once rather than these faux "trans feminist" comments.

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  51. 6:12 PM

    Not counting the person who was acting like trans feminism is giving men the right to expose themselves to people, what is it about the comments that makes you think they're fake? Why are they not direct, honest, or candid?

    Because I feel like I've been very direct, honest and candid. I've refrained from trying to be insulting. People confuse directness, honesty, and candidness with insults a lot.

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  52. "That's fine that you don't want to be a feminist. But I'm trans and I am a feminist. There are bad feminists, like Dirt, but that doesn't mean that feminism is all bullshit.”

    Dirt, bad ….bad ….bad…. bad feminist!

    If Dirt is a “bad feminist”, then I must be one too. I'm an evil, horrible, bad feminist. Bad, nasty me! Any human female who questions the following must be a “bad feminist”:

    (1.) “Chest masculinization” or “top surgery” in which both healthy female breasts are surgically carved off a woman. Once they are gone, they don’t magically grow back. So, perhaps women need to think about this beforehand.
    (2.) Years of testosterone. If the uterus and ovaries are still intact, there is an issue of long term testosterone use and PCOS. Change in lipid profiles and liver functioning are other potential side effects.
    (3.) The practice of breast binding by teenage girls and young women. Binding for long periods of time can cause bruised or cracked ribs; lung problems; back problems; vessel or tissue damage; decreased blood flow to heart (increased risk of heart attack); decreased lung capacity; blood clots; inflammation of the ribs; permanent loss of sensation/numbness.

    Besides ways of buying online, if girls can’t afford a binder, there are places online where they can get used binders. Apparently, it’s some kind of inter-generational thing among FTMs. That is, give that used binder to some teenage girl.

    http://www.inabind.transactiveonline.org/

    “Age All of our binders are sent to youth ages 21 and younger. See the side panel for organizations that serve adults.”

    http://www.inabind.transactiveonline.org/get.php

    "In a Bind" is a project of TransActive's Community Education program.. We collect pre-owned chest binders from guys who don't need them anymore and donate them to trans-masculine youth in need… Youth represent the most overlooked members of the trans community. They often don't have a voice or money of their own. If they don't have a supportive family and at least moderate financial means, it can be almost impossible for them to obtain a new binder on their own. "In a Bind" strives to create a feeling of "taking care of our own" within the trans adult community by giving them the opportunity to help these young people.”

    http://www.inabind.transactiveonline.org/

    The bodies of adolescent girls are just developing. So, we should go out of our way to make sure they have hand me down binders that might mis-align their ribs or cause other health related problems.
    (4.) Puberty suppressing drugs for “gender dyshphoric” pre-teens. I don't even know if puberty suppressing drugs are approved by the FDA for "gender dysphoria", but since it has to do with transgender, it's all cool and safe anyway.
    (5.) The surgical alteration of healthy female genitals based on something called “gender dysphoria” which, by the way, even some members of the trans community admit can be influenced by cultural and peer influences.

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  53. The fact that you say "you are wrong and I will explain why" before being given examples, tells me you are just going to spew the same old feminist doctrine I have heard over and over again, that has been debunked countless times, well I am not the one you need to convince, I am not an MRA, but men's rights activists are probably the guys you want to talk to, they will tell you their personal experiences with the feminized system.

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  54. It must be awfully hurtful for transmen to be referred to as women over and over again on this site- that's the sort of wording which leads to them getting dysphoria, and dysphoria leads to suicide.

    'healthy breasts' are really only healthy if you want them, otherwise they're just ugly and misplaced.

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  55. @ 6:26 PM

    1: thinking about that is fine. But telling people that they shouldn't do it is not fine. I've said over and over again to you that we do think about it. Why do you keep harping on this point?

    2: I've responded to this too. Those are potential side effects, that are monitored by a trans person's doctor, and there are steps you can take to prevent/lessen them. But the majority of trans people don't have those issues. It's fine to want people to be educated on the possible effects (we are), but it's bad to tell people we don't have the right to choose to take testosterone. Why are you harping on that?

    3: I support more education about binding. I think that chest reconstruction is better than binding. Questioning that doesn't have anyting to do with feminism. It would be easier to keep people educated about binders if we didn't try to shame them into not using them. That's the tactic that Dirt and other people here are taking. Using shame against people to try to make them conform to your values makes you bad.

    4: Yes, those drugs are aproved. I've been learning more about them, and so far all indications are that they're safe when administered by a medical professional and monitored (as they are). One of the advantages of these drugs is that it gives kids time to develop into their gender identity without having to have surgery or initiate permanent changes from traditional hormone therapy. So, if there really is a chance that they're wrong about their feelings, they have time to stop the drugs and develop normally, just later in life.

    5: READ WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE. Yes, cutlure and peers influence us. IN EVERYTHING WE DO. EVERYTHING. Not just our gender identity.

    You know why you're a bad feminist? Because you're imposing your values on a group of people you don't understand, and you don't try to understand. You don't pay attention to the words we write in response to you, to try to help you see what our prospective is. The only time you acknowlege what we say is when you decide to take something we said out of context, with the intention of "using it against us." You are a bad feminist, because feminists should support the indivudals right to make choices about their own bodies, but you seem intent on telling us that we're making the wrong choices.

    Dirt is a bad feminist because she can't allow for a world in which trans people and lesbiand work together, where we are part of the same community, where we are friends and lovers and don't feel like one group's bid for equal rights doesn't infringe on another group's.

    Dirt is a bad feminist because she spreads misinformation, censors people who choose to speak up here, and uses shame to try to make people think the way she does. She's a bad feminist because she uses the tools of the patriarchy in order to try accomplish her own agenda.

    I am sure that you and Dirt and the other terrible feminists like you have wonderful friends and good relationships with your families. I'm sure you donate to charity, and you help people in need when you see them. I'm sure there are a lot of aspects of your lives in which you're really decent and good human beings. But you are bad feminists. You are hurtful. You are saying things that tear people up inside, things that can traumatize, that can make us weep with misery at the fact that not only does the white male establishment hate us, but peole who have gone through the same kinds of discrimination, and violence, and abuse hate us.

    Pay attention to this. You have the power to hurt people with your posts here. You are hurting me. I won't leave, because I won't be bullied into silence. But you need to know, you hurt people. You might be trying to help. You might not be trying to hurt people. But you are.

    And that message is for all the trans-deniers.

    That's why you're a bad feminist.

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  56. 6:56 PM

    So, what you've just told me is that you don't have any examples. You're just making shit up. I thought so.

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  57. "Real trans feminism includes (but is not limited to):

    -The belief that all individuals, regardless of gender, have a right to equal pay, equal job opportunities, and equal educational opportunities. (Agree)

    -The belief that all individuals have a right to health care, and a right manage their own health and their own bodies with the help of their doctors, and without interference from others. (Generally agree as to universal access to health care. All humans deserve health care. However, what does “and a right manage their own health and their own bodies with the help of their doctors, and without interference from others” mean? I tend to agree with this statement, but history is littered with some rather bazaar examples of medical practices that at the time seemed perfectly safe and sound, but later turned out to be horrendous experiments gone awry. This would make perfect sense if (1.) all humans were rational beings and (2.) culture, family, or peer influences play no part in one’s decision making.

    -The belief that women are systematically discriminated against, and that action needs to be taken to end that discrimination. Ending discrimination against women does not require ignoring the struggle to end discrimination against other groups. (Agree)

    -The belief that women and femininity are to be valued as much as men and masculinity. (What exactly is femininity and masculinity? Who gets to decide what is and isn’t masculine and feminine? For example, in this Washington Post video, this five year old “transgender” girl is already being called “he” by her parents as in “he” does this or that, or they refer to this little girl as “him”. Listen carefully to the video. Because she didn’t play with her sister’s dolls, is she really “he” now? Instead of being a boy as in “he” at age five, is it possible that she is really a girl who just likes playing with toy trucks or blocks? Instead of eliminating gender altogether, transgender seems to just prop up stereotypical sex based masculinity and femininity. How in the heck is this related to feminism?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/transgender-at-five/2012/05/19/gIQABfFkbU_story.html)

    -Acknowledgment and abhorrence of rape culture (Agree. However, how does this relate to Buck Angel, FTM porn star, Patrick Califia, or workshops for FTMs in the sex industry?

    http://www.trans-health.org/content/transguys-are-sex-workers-too-guided-discussion-ftmtransmales-or-considering-sex-work

    I admit that number of FTMs in the sex industry probably is low, but this isn't necessarily the case for MTF transsexuals. Simply google "transgender" and "porn". There are several sites. So, it seems to me that "trans feminism" says it's against rape culture while at the same time remaining completely silent on the subject of porn. Do people think porn is about empowering women? "Trans feminism" is so silent on porn that it's frightening.

    No one woman (now a transman) has done more for porn and BDSM than Patrick Califia. Well, so much for rape culture and trans.)

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  58. "Of course, not all feminists think the same way, so not all trans feminists believe exactly the same things as I, a trans feminist, believe.”

    How can the act of FTM (female to male) “transitioning” which involves the surgical removal of healthy female breasts and genitals and a “transition” from female to male as the word implies be considered feminist? I’m struggling to understand how erasing female identity falls under the category of feminism. In FTM transitioning not only are healthy female breasts, genitals, and reproductive systems radically altered, the very identity of female or woman is erased or lost. What does FTM mean? The very words say "female" to "male" in that the female is being replaced or lost. We are told that this is somehow related to feminism. If people don't think erasing female identity has ethical implications, they are completely ignorant of history.

    I'm not saying that individual transmen can't be feminist. I'm not saying all transmen are bad human beings. There are honorable and decent transmen. Rather, I want to focus on the act of FTM transitioning itself.

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  59. Hmmm. Blaming rape culture on Buck Angel and Pat Califia, and implicating the rest of us trasnmen in it? Why don't you just go ahead and admit that you are the type of person who thinks all black men are rapists because some have raped? Because that is who you are.

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  60. @ 7:26

    - " However, what does “and a right manage their own health and their own bodies with the help of their doctors, and without interference from others” mean? I tend to agree with this statement, but history is littered with some rather bazaar examples of medical practices that at the time seemed perfectly safe and sound, but later turned out to be horrendous experiments gone awry. This would make perfect sense if (1.) all humans were rational beings and (2.) culture, family, or peer influences play no part in one’s decision making. "

    Yes, it is totally true that we have done some screwed up stuff and called it medicine throughout history. But that doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to work with their doctors to make decisions about their own health. Do you have another suggestion that would work better?

    Your (2) point doesn't make any sense. Culture, family, and peer influences will always play a part in our decision making. It will play a part in whether a person with an unwanted pregnancy will get an abortion, for example. Are you saying abortions shouldn't be allowe dunless we can remove the possiblity that the person's choice might be influenced in any way by culture?

    - I disagree with the idea that transgender props up stereotypical sex based gender roles. I identify as genderfluid. There are a lot of people like myself who don't want to be just male or female. We want to embrace aspects of both genders. Depending on the kind of feminism you're referring to, some feminists want to encourage having the female be seperate but equal from the male. They support and celebrate stereotypical femaleness. This jsut all comes back to my point that there's a lot of different kinds of feminism.

    - I don't believe that the sex industry is inherantly bad. I think the sex industry needs to find ways to turn rape culture on it's head. And there are feminists who agree with me. We believe that our female sexuality is something to be proud of, and there is porn that supports that. Even if you don't agree with that, you can't just say "hey here are some trans porn stars, that invalidates all trans people"

    Have you tried googling "female" and "porn?" Or "feminist" and "porn?" Yeah, you're going to get a lot of sites no matte rwhat.

    - Not all feminists believe BDSM is bad either. BDSM is about consent.

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  61. 7:52 PM

    I never said the act of transitioning is feminist. There's a lot of acts we perform every day that might not be considered feminist. Crossing the street. Doing the dishes. Taking the garbage out. None of these are inately feminist acts, but they're all things feminists do.

    I said that I am trans, and I am also feminist.

    Also, not all trans is about going from female to 100% male. I am female and male. So the rhetoric of 'erasing female identity" doesn't stand up when you talk about the transgender community as a whole.

    I've said a lot about the act of FtM transitioning. But the conversation seems to be about whether trans peopole can be feminist. If you're not interested in that topic, then why are you commenting on it?

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  62. "I don't believe that the sex industry is inherantly bad. I think the sex industry needs to find ways to turn rape culture on it's head. And there are feminists who agree with me. We believe that our female sexuality is something to be proud of, and there is porn that supports that."

    I suggest this individual read the well researched and thought provoking book, "Pornland: How Pornography Has Hijacked Our Sexuality" by Gail Dines. PORNOGRAPHY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEXUALITY. IT'S A BUSINESS, AND A PROFITABLE ONE AT THAT.

    Though reliable numbers are hard to come by, the global industry was estimated to be worth a staggering $96 billion in 2006, with the US market worth about $13 billion. Each year more than 13,000porn films are released and their revenues rival those of all the major Hollywood studio films combined.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/how-the-hardcore-porn-industry-is-ruining-young-mens-lives-20110517-1erac.html#ixzz2Br5zemWh

    Market research conducted by internet providers found that the average age a boy first sees porn today is 11; a study from the University of Alberta found that one third of 13-year-old boys admitted viewing porn; and a survey published by Psychologies magazine in the UK last month found that a third of 14- to 16-year-olds had first seen sexual images online when they were 10 or younger – 81% of those polled looked at porn online at home, while 63% could easily access it on their mobile phones.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jul/02/gail-dines-pornography

    "Images have now become so extreme that acts that were almost non-existent a decade ago have become commonplace. From studying thousands of porn films and images Dines found that the most popular acts depicted in internet porn include vaginal, oral and anal penetration by three or more men at the same time; double anal; double vaginal; a female gagging from having a penis thrust into her throat; and ejaculation in a woman's face, eyes and mouth.

    There were two images from Hustler magazine that she found especially shocking: a cartoon of a construction worker drilling a jackhammer into a woman's vagina, and one depicting a woman being fed through a meat grinder."

    "Dines also says that what she calls "childified porn" has significantly increased in popularity in recent years, with almost 14m internet searches for "teen sex" in 2006, an increase of more than 60% since 2004."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jul/02/gail-dines-pornography

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  63. "I don't believe that the sex industry is inherantly bad. I think the sex industry needs to find ways to turn rape culture on it's head. And there are feminists who agree with me. We believe that our female sexuality is something to be proud of, and there is porn that supports that."

    Today's porn is nothing like your dad's old Playboy, especially the internet porn with two or three men penetrating a woman. It's becoming more extreme and body punishing as the industry has to find new ways to attract and allure customers.

    “One problem I knew I had to deal with as I was writing the book was the inevitable accusation that, because I am anti-porn, I must be an anti-sex prude who is out to police people’s sex lives. To criticize porn today is to be seen as criticizing sex, because–thanks to the porn PR machine–porn has now become synonymous with sex….This is a business with considerable political clout, with the capacity to lobby politicians, engage in expensive legal battles, and use public relations to influence public debate. As with the tobacco industry, this is not a simple matter of consumer choice; rather, the business is increasingly able to deploy a sophisticated and well-resourced marketing machine, not just to push its wares but also to cast the industry’s image in a positive light.”

    Gail Dines quoted in alternet.org

    GD: If you watch pornography you see that immediately. What you see is a woman being penetrated brutally vaginally, anally and orally. As that’s happening — three men at one time, four men at one time — she’s being called vile, hateful names, she’s being sometimes slapped, sometimes her hair is pulled… Even the industry said that many women have a hard time being in the industry for more than three months. Why? Because of the brutalization of the body.

    SK: Three months?

    GD: That’s what the article says in Adult Video News . Also, I’ve interviewed somebody who worked with AIM, the health care organization that takes care of the health of porn performers, and he was telling me just what happens to the bodies of these women. For example, he said one of the big things are anal prolapses, where literally their anuses drop out of their body and have to be sewn back in because of the brutal anal sex. He also talked about gonorrhea of the eye, and the latest thing — because you have something called [ass to mouth] — they put the penis into the anus, and then into her mouth without washing. They’re finding now that women are getting fecal bacterial infections in their mouth and throat. ”

    Gail Dines
    http://www.alternet.org/story/148142/should_we_worry_whether_porn_has_hijacked_our_sexuality?page=0%2C0

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  64. @ 4:31 PM

    Don't post the same thing in two different threads. I replied to your comment in the Buck Angel thread.

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  65. I suppose I'm an odd creature. I used to be afflicted with chronic yeast infections prior to testosterone, and have seen that unfortunate problem vanish.

    As for guys having smelly urine, I don't frequently take in a big snort when I'm in the loo. I also was not known for smelling the bowls when I accessed the female facilities during my previous life, so I simply could not state with any certainty about the difference between male and female urine. I would suppose that if you do know this, you may have a fetish that I find rather peculiar, but whatever floats your wee boat.

    As for the douching and other advice, I believe you are trying to troll young trans fellows, as anyone with any health education whatsoever would know that soaps, douches, and detergents can cause everything from common infections to PID and vaginal wall damage.

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  66. This is a really shit. It's full of ignorance and feminist cunt lovers. And I'm not English so VAYA PUTA MIERDA DE BLOG!!!

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  67. Also femal bodied individuals who are transitioning to become males, a.k.a FTM, a.k.a TransMALES will probably get very upset at the ignorance you jave calling female bodied individuals TransFemales.

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