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Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Trans Ideology and the Violence Against Women

Transition both medically and socially was born out of patriarchal violence against women. Post Queer Theory, how has the Trans community/Trans Politic manufactured a whole new level of violence against women?

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  1. Wait, based on your past posts, I thought the male medical machine manufacture the new violence, and that transmen were the victims.

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  2. It's not violence against women; they're not women to begin with. They identify as male. To invalidate the trans* identity is akin to some conservative bigot saying that my attraction to women is an affliction, caused by the sexual deviance of a decaying culture. I feel like anyone within the LGBTQ community should be able to understand discrimination and want to spread love and understanding instead of adding to the hurt of members of that community.

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  3. <<.should be able to understand discrimination and want to spread love and understanding..>>

    The patriarchy understands exactly what it is doing when it inflicts violence on women, AND they love it! It's not just some wishy-washy libfem thing, perhaps if we politely point-out to men how MEAN they can be sometimes, they'll stop doing it?

    Gah! The whole touchy-feely let's be NICE to everyone thing makes we wanna gag, when what women need isn't more 'be nice' shit, but more -- stop putting up with all this crap and realise that 'being nice' WON'T WORK.

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  4. Hi, the anon who prefers kindness, here. In reality the only actions you can control are your own. I realize that there are wrong things in the world, but I'd rather use my life to do the good I can, rather than scream at the evil that's so much bigger than me. I'm not approving what people do or the way women are treated in history or the modern times. But there are other bad things happening too, everywhere, all the time; oppression, discrimination, hatred, harm, doesn't happen to only women. It happens to queer kids like me, people of color, humans of all genders around the world stuck in sex trafficking or slavery, and yes, trans* folk. If I can cheer up a sad heart that's been harmed by those evils, isn't that good too? I just think love is nice, and I don't really understand anyone disagreeing with that.
    Also my point was that individuals in the LGBTQ community understand how it feels to get discrimination for something they can't change, while cis, straight, white males cannot because they've never experienced it. I would think, then, that those who've experienced discrimination would not want to discriminate against others, particularly others under the same battered umbrella of LGBTQ.
    A conservative religious redneck, or what have you, can insist all day that my attractions are wrong, evil, sinful, imaginary, harmful, and I could scream at them or explain to them gently or not say anything; nothing will change their mind. I'd opt for the one that hurts me least, saying my opinion and kindly leaving it at that. But the liklihood of anything I could do convincing them is probably as great a chance as me convincing YOU of anything. My "'be nice' shit" might not work, it's certainly not working on you. But I'm going to continue it, for sake of respecting my fellow humans and loving others, particularly those who already have enough troubles in life.

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  5. << I would think, then, that those who've experienced discrimination would not want to discriminate against others>>

    Ain't that SIMPLE. I think most feminists I've talked to about this don't want to discriminate against trans people, think they should have full human and civil rights etc, they (just) disagree with:

    Beliefs about innate gender

    The idea of a female or male brain

    The idea that 'being a woman' is something in the brain, or is something that can be claimed as an 'identity' irrespective of actual biology, experience etc

    Or that radical surgery and hormones is a sensible 'treatment' for the state of being female in a misogynistic society.

    Sorry if that doesn't make me all pink and fluffy.

    " is probably as great a chance as me convincing YOU of anything" O great, why bother at all if you think no one can ever change their opinion, or if nothing can ever change. Thankfully, early feminists were a bit more hopeful than this, as were the suffragettes.

    Why do you think I'm not being 'nice'? Perhaps you only define 'nice' as not daring to disagree with anyone about, say, their personal beliefs as regards gender, or their magical inner sense of identity?

    Goddess, feminism and actual change have no chance when the best some can offer is this 'be nice, you can't change anything' individualism.

    "but I'd rather use my life to do the good I can, rather than scream at the evil that's so much bigger than me." Why do you think the two are opposed? Is that ALL you think feminists ever did, scream at stuff? HOW do you think they achieved anything, from women getting the vote, to Equal pay acts? Was THAT not doing good, or d o you think they should have just carried on being 'nice' to men in the hope that eventually they'd get the vote?

    Sorry, but is this REALLY the best we have to hope for? You can't change (much) so why not just be nice to people? Don't offend anyone, don't disagree, don't dare to THINK and question. For how many centuries have they been telling women that!

    Fuck being nice!

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  6. Okay, I understand your points. Our approaches to things are different and you are being pretty respectful, which is cool and appreciated.

    I feel like voting and gender identity might be a little bit different as their identity doesn't affect your rights and voting does. Maybe I'm missing something but that's all I can see.

    But. Well. It's fine to disagree I think? All sorts of people make up the world and that's how things work. Have a good day.

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  7. A feminist critique of transsexualism never did anything for my endocrine problems. An LGBT health clinic did. I feel a bit better, I have occasional spotting again. I still have some problems, but they seem to be getting better at last.

    - Mary

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  8. Sorry if I came across as respectful, because actually I don't 'respect' such ideas (I think they're plain stupid), although I 'respect' your right to hold such daft ideas. 'Respect' is another loaded noughties phrase that is actually used to try and discourage and cover up what is really disagreement. Ditto to the it's okay to disagree line, because what we are disagreeing about, some of us are right and some are WRONG, and it dearly, dearly matters that we get this right. As follows:

    "as their identity doesn't affect your rights"

    They can claim to be a Monteray pine for all I care! BUT, saying that being a 'woman' is in a thing in the head (and bugger biology) or that it isn't SEX that matters but jenduh DOES affect my 'rights' -- it affects it every time a male in a dress claiming to be a woman in their head demands entry to female-only spaces. It affects it every time that a female taught to hate her body and herself for being female decides that becoming 'a man' is the only solution.

    If someone takes away the very meaning of what it IS to be a woman, than that sure as hell affects me if I'm also required to agree with their delusion, or pretend that such a thing is possible in the first place.

    "All sorts of people make up the world and that's how things work." Wrong. Two sexes, and how things work matters as hell of a lot depending on whether you're one or the other. Try not to stay so deluded.

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  9. Kind anon: You're an awesome person. I want to say more, but I'm at work and it's busy so that's all I have time for now!

    Kindness and openness does not make someone deluded.

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  10. Bad Dyke, you're not a bad dyke, you're a bad person. Your posts are rambling, hateful and completely dismiss-able. You contribute nothing to any movement and appear to be fighting for your only own rights while bitterly decrying your "unfair" treatment in the world. You are a professional victim. You are a detriment to feminism and feminists. The rest of us are actually addressing problems that can be addressed and accepting what we are working with. Think I don't exist? Good luck proving THAT theory. Completely useless and ego-based "activism".

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  11. Being mean to mean people isn't a good way of countering all the badness. We all have strong feelings, and some of us may be feeling hurt at comments we see here, but it doesn't make us better people to call out hurtful people by saying hurtful things.

    As for other subjects: I can understand why biologic females might not feel comfortable with a transwomen around. And I think that one of the challenges for the trans community will be identifying when it's appropriate to press our right to be allowed in a place that's meant specifically for our gender, and when we should respect the unique experiences of those biologic sex matches that gender.

    I've seen complaints about transwomen who want to be allowed into a group of women who are coming together to deal with sexual abuse or rape. If they aren't comfortable with a transwoman, I don't think that's necessarily discrimination. A biologic woman will have had different experiences from a tranwoman. And in this situation, they may be able to identify better and feel safer with other biologic women.

    Of course, transwomen have to deal with the same issues. But instead of fighting with a group like this, maybe it would be better to look for a different group. Or start a group that is meant to accept transwomen. Or even a group for transwomen only and not biologic women.

    When talking about groups of private individuals, this isn't necessarily discrimination against transsexuals , and it is poor judgment to fight it. Save the fight for being recognized as your chosen gender at work, with friends and family, in public places, by the government.

    That said, the fact that there are some individual transexuals who are jerks shouldn't be used as an excuse to hate all transsexuals.

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  12. Bad Dyke and her ilk are just smarting that her precious 1970s lesbian feminist revolution was a complete and total failure. Nobody has cared about her second wave bullshit ideology for over 20 years now. She and he miserable band of racist dykeosaurs lost big time and now they are white-knuckling it trying to regain some sense of relevance. Luckily, today's third wave feminists think they are a total joke and mostly they provide a constant source of laughter, coupled with the sputtering and noxious fumes of hatred and cis supremacy.

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  13. I don't know, Corynn. I've appreciated your kind, gentle and rational point of view here. But actually the above poster is correct, though without much tact. And I'm not sure how much we *should* soften our stance towards people who defend calling us child molesters and violent rapists just because we are trans. How much of our lives should we spend trying to convince a small quadrant of crusty haters of our right to live as we are?

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  14. @Mary: This is a genuine question so please don't think I'm being nasty! But I'm really curious why you got help from an LGBT clinic for your health issue. Is there treatment that an LGBT clinic offers for endocrine problems that a normal one doesn't? I've never had cause to use either so I'm curious!

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  15. "Bad Dyke, you're not a bad dyke, you're a bad person. Your posts are rambling, hateful and completely dismiss-able......"

    "She and he miserable band of racist dykeosaurs lost big time and now they are white-knuckling it trying to regain some sense of relevance..."

    Hey, note how RACIST crept in there based on no evidence whatsoever! When someone thinks you are hateful (i.e. worthy of hatred), than ANY epithet applies, so it would seem. Plus note that despite the claims that I/we HATE trans, the most hate seems to be coming from the other side.

    Well, some of us never thought that things would change utterly in twenty years (or 30, or 50).

    IF we `lost', it was only because women and lesbians were loosing then and are STILL LOOSING now (and in some sense, loosing even worse now given the trans trend).

    Have to say, these lame comments indicate how deluded, childish, and just plain naive some posters are.

    Oooh, I'm a BAD person and no one agrees with me, or loads of people think you're stoopid -- might have worked when you were bullying kids at school, doesn't work on us adults.

    Arguments, WHERE are the arguments behind any of this? We should accept males as women, why? Because it's hateful not to, and all the hatey haters will keep telling you how much they hate you if you don't. Obviously worked on you lot, don't work on me.

    Hatred, empty laughter, and mockery is no substitute for actual thinking and a reasoned argument, it's just trying to get us old dykes to toe the party line by emotional blackmail.

    " that her precious 1970s lesbian feminist revolution.." Not my 70s revolution I'm afraid, I was too young then to have come across feminism, or lesbianism, although my attitudes towards the male sex, and my appreciation for my female gym teacher were probably a strong indication of things to come.

    Anyway, here's to BAD dykes, and old farts, even if some of us aren't as old and irrelevant as some would like to think.

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  16. Anonymous,

    I went to regular clinics first. My parents and I went to some when I was younger, but we got stonewalled. I went to one more but the doctor said he didn't have the expertise, although he authorized one blood test. Then I went to the LGBT clinic and although they couldn't diagnosis this either, they could authorize a whole set of blood tests, and hormones to try to get things in balance.

    - Mary

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  17. What's with all the hate on transgender folk? It seems counterproductive, if anything.

    Surely, blogging about something constructive, something which is ACTUALLY a problem- rather than just berating a community which faces inequality also.

    Everyone puts gender and a race on a scale of how badly they're treated- men at the top, women at the bottom. Certainly it makes more sense to try and change people's perspective of things, rather than trying to punish a community which, may I point out, probably faces more injustice than women do. Transmen aren't a 'creation' out of hatred towards women, they've existed throughout history just as much as gay males and females have. perhaps they're less documented, perhaps you're all too busy paying attention to western culture to notice that in a lot of native american beliefs, transgender people were considered as a balance between two genders. They've existed during wartime, they've existed in the victorian era- they've had to hide, pretend to be someone they're not, just as much as any lesbian has. This isn't violence towards women. It's Dirt pinning a problem on a community she can bully, that she can blame- God only knows her reasons why.

    The bullied aren't always the righteous. Sometimes they're pretty horrible too. Stop looking at yourselves as a collective. You're individual people, capable of standing together to do great things- but that doesn't mean you have to be a mass force which only brings upset to others.

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  18. Thank you Dirt for inspiring many transmen to offer voices of reason to those questioning their gender. Because you post so much hate I have made it a point to offer my perspective and my experience. If it were not for this hateful blog many of us would not have taken the time to document our transitions to counteract your hate and ignorance.

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  19. To be sure, I've said things here I would never say to a person's face. When I first came here, I was looking to have conversations about transmen and male privilege. Transmen are transitioning starting younger and younger and many of these kids will never even conceive of themselves or have the experience of being perceived as lesbian, female, queer, *anything* outside the norm. That concept will literally NOT exist for them. Most of the older transguys guys I know, myself included, came from a feminist background and bend over backwards not to 1) take up too much space 2) take advantage of male privilege when it is avoidable 3) tell other people who they are or what to do with their bodies. Now, coming here, I found some rational discussions with people, but I also discovered abject hatred for us. People who are saying they wish we would die. Dirt's posts about us being child molesters/rapists or our partners being child molesters. Because of these women's perfect willingness to think the worst of us, I realized that their hatred is inborn. It's in their hearts. You cannot hate people you don't know THAT much unless you hate yourself too. I dwell on it, and continue to come here because I know that these women are in pain. They are grieving for a world which no longer feels understandable to them, with *their* rules and their assumptions about life. It's very destabilizing. I wanted them to see that we are real, that we are not all the same, that we are human, because that's the only way I've ever actually seen true change when it comes to prejudice. But these women won't acknowledge their grief and how it's affecting their judgement. They are no longer seeing younger versions of themselves in the world, so they sense their own extinction as a people. They blame us instead of supporting each other and a strong *positive*dyke identity. We never were "theirs" in the first place, so they feel betrayed, and many amongst them would have transitioned years ago if they had known about it. It's very sad, but it's also like the longest exhalation of grief I've ever witnessed. And it's just emotional vomit.

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  20. OK, here are some of my so-called antiquated, second wave dykosaur beliefs:

    I believe that our behavior, hobbies, clothing, and career choices should not be determined by whether we are female or male.

    I believe that biological sex is real, and gender is a social construct.

    I believe that sex role stereotypes are destructive.

    I believe that true transsexuality is very rare, if it even exists at all, which is debatable. That is, I'm possibly willing to consider that there may be a few very rare cases of people whose gender issues can't be helped with other methods such as psychotherapy, but that it is not anywhere near as common as the numbers we are seeing.

    I believe that psychological issues should be addressed with psychological treatment, not risky hormones and unnecessary surgeries.

    I think that misogyny is the main reason so many of these young women are wanting to be men. Men are treated better in our society, and men don't have to adhere to all the silly rules of "femininity" that women are expected to follow. In this society men get respected as human beings, not treated like dumb sex objects.

    I think transsexuality has nothing to do with sexual orientation, so shouldn't be lumped in with it, as in the LGBT alphabet soup.

    I don't like the word Queer. First of all, it is historically hate speech. Second, it has become meaningless, with all these straight hipsters claiming to be queer because they're kinky in the bedroom, or they kissed a girl once. I think it's time to retire the word Queer.

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  21. While I don’t agree with a “feminist” perspective that includes discriminating against the trans community, I believe that it’s helpful to understand an opposing view if you want to have meaningful conversations with people who believe it. Simply put, the perspective of the anti-trans feminist includes these core concepts: FtM transitioning is violence against women, it’s not a real identity, and the trans community hurts the gay community. I’ve broken that down into more specific categories below.
    *Transitioning FtM is violence against women, and an attempt to commit “genocide” against women and/or lesbians: The general idea is that women have been conditioned by a patriarchal society to hate what makes them female. The medical community (run by men) has developed the idea of transsexualism in order to make women (especially lesbians) transition to male and push that on them. Rape culture has led women to not just accept transitioning, but to believe that it was their choice.
    -Sex reassignment surgery compared to genital mutilation and breast ironing
    -Female forms of gender expression are dismissed and stamped out
    -Lesbianism and non-traditional forms of gender expression are being discriminated against
    *It’s not biologically possible be a different sex than you were born: The general idea here is that there is no scientific, historical, or biological support for transsexuals. -Trans only came into existence 50 years ago
    -Trans is a fantasy and/or medical disorder
    -Trans is the invention of the male medical community.
    *Transitioning is psychologically and medically unhealthy: The argument is that transitioning has irreversible effects, is bad for a person’s health, and that most transmen regret transitioning.
    -Testosterone: Causes a plethora of negative side effects from as simple as hair loss and acne, to as serious as heart disease and cancer (and everything in between). Also will irreversibly change your voice, appearance, and make you infertile.
    -Sex-reassignment surgery: Irreversible, painful, causes complications, potentially causes death.
    -Emotional and psychological degradation:. They become angry, abusive, violent and criminal. They are suicidal.
    -There are healthier ways to deal with gender identity disorder: Not sure what these are, besides possibly therapy and developing a better attitude towards women and/or improving your self-image.
    *Men only transition to female to fulfill a fetish/sexual desires: Transwomen are sexual deviants and cross dressers.
    *Transwomen don’t respect biologic women: They threaten women who won’t accept them as women. They are potential rapists in disguise.
    *Trans people are trying to gain rights for themselves at the expense of homosexuals/should not be lumped together with gays and lesbians
    *Trans people are homophobic/sexist
    I’d like to respond to these as a transgendered person, but there isn’t room to go into on one comment, and I’m not going to start spamming the blog.
    Since it came up today, though, I do want to respond to the fact that GBLT gets put together.

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  22. Trans people are trying to gain rights for themselves at the expense of homosexuals: I agree that transgendered folks are not the same as gays and lesbians. Gender identity and sexual orientation are different things. But you know what, we’re stuck together (not that I personally mind). I don’t know who decided that we should be lumped together, but we do have a history of supporting each other in our fight for equal rights. We have a lot of shared challenges. Coming out is something unique to us among minorities. We face discrimination in the work place (in many places we can still be fired for our identity or orientation). Our fight for rights and recognition has a lot of shared history with the feminist movement. Rights for one of us doesn’t take rights away from another.
    Other groups of minorities have been able to work together. Asians, for example, all get lumped together even though they come from very different backgrounds. And there’s plenty of hate between different groups under that umbrella too. But they can still support each other.
    Looking at different dynamic between minorities; when women were fighting for the right to vote, a lot of African American rights activists wanted to join in with them. Some white woman welcomed the support of another oppressed group. Many were afraid that the involvement of blacks would hurt their chances of getting the vote, and were vehemently opposed to being lumped together

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  23. Question for Dirt!

    What do you think of trangendered people who are born female, and decide to transition not to 100% male? They want a mix of female and male characteristics. Do you consider them transmen (even if they identify as genderqueer, genderfluid, bigender, or something else)? Or do you feel differently about those individuals?

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  24. "Luckily, today's third wave feminists"

    Now there's an oxymoron. Those 3rd wave "feminists" are strippers and hookers who finally learned how to spell feminist.lol. No one cares what they have to say. Not even their pimps.

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  25. "Gah! The whole touchy-feely let's be NICE to everyone thing makes we wanna gag, when what women need isn't more 'be nice' shit, but more -- stop putting up with all this crap and realise that 'being nice' WON'T WORK".

    Hear, hear.
    Brava, Bad Dyke.

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  26. "Now there's an oxymoron. Those 3rd wave "feminists" are strippers and hookers who finally learned how to spell feminist.lol. No one cares what they have to say. Not even their pimps."

    Not only are you wrong, but you are a pathetic moron. Third wave feminists are college professors, blue-collar workers, artists, intellectuals, social workers, professionals, and highly-motivated individuals. Third wave feminists are everywhere. You may not agree with their politics, but dismissing them in such a bitter and patriarchal sounding way only makes you look like the loser you probably are. Goodbye.

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  27. "inspiring many transmen to offer voices of reason"

    NO. SUCH. THING.

    The world considers your 5ft self to be a joke. You're just spoiled, overly indulged brats who will be ex-trans trying to sue somebody in the future for your out grown "condition". Most of you will end up being soccer moms.

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  28. "Third wave feminists are everywhere".

    LMFAO. Most women don't even call themselves feminists, 3rd wave or otherwise. "3rd wave feminism" isn't even feminism it's jerkoff material for pricks like you!

    And now that you've had your little male tantrum and said your goodbyes,well, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, pumpkin. Oh, and, don't forget your "3rd wave feminist" pamphlet.

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  29. Anon @9:39 PM

    Those are just your opinions and are NOT facts at all. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

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  30. To the person who posted the following comments, I completely agree. Thank you for your insight.

    "OK, here are some of my so-called antiquated, second wave dykosaur beliefs:

    I believe that our behavior, hobbies, clothing, and career choices should not be determined by whether we are female or male.

    I believe that biological sex is real, and gender is a social construct.

    I believe that sex role stereotypes are destructive.

    I believe that true transsexuality is very rare, if it even exists at all, which is debatable. That is, I'm possibly willing to consider that there may be a few very rare cases of people whose gender issues can't be helped with other methods such as psychotherapy, but that it is not anywhere near as common as the numbers we are seeing.

    I believe that psychological issues should be addressed with psychological treatment, not risky hormones and unnecessary surgeries.

    I think that misogyny is the main reason so many of these young women are wanting to be men. Men are treated better in our society, and men don't have to adhere to all the silly rules of "femininity" that women are expected to follow. In this society men get respected as human beings, not treated like dumb sex objects.

    I think transsexuality has nothing to do with sexual orientation, so shouldn't be lumped in with it, as in the LGBT alphabet soup.

    I don't like the word Queer. First of all, it is historically hate speech. Second, it has become meaningless, with all these straight hipsters claiming to be queer because they're kinky in the bedroom, or they kissed a girl once. I think it's time to retire the word Queer."

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  31. The T is in LGBT so deal with it! There's gay trans people too!

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  32. "Now there's an oxymoron. Those 3rd wave "feminists" are strippers and hookers who finally learned how to spell feminist.lol. No one cares what they have to say. Not even their pimps."

    Not only are you wrong, but you are a pathetic moron. Third wave feminists are college professors, blue-collar workers, artists, intellectuals, social workers, professionals, and highly-motivated individuals. Third wave feminists are everywhere. You may not agree with their politics, but dismissing them in such a bitter and patriarchal sounding way only makes you look like the loser you probably are. Goodbye."

    Whether one calls herself a third wave feminist or whatever, we are still women. Having said this, third wave feminism can never be completely separated from the particular period in time in which it developed. With the election of Ronald Reagan in the U.S. and Margaret Thatcher in the U.K., neo-liberalism unleashed a rapacious form of capitalism upon the globe. There was a widening gap between the rich and poor, and labor unions took a beating. If anything, there was a backlash against feminism and identity politics. This is the era in which so-called third wave feminism emerged. Most of the major women's rights legislation such as voting rights and reproductive health care were enacted before the 1980s.

    Gail Dines has an excellent video entitled Neo-liberalism and the defanging of feminism. By the way, Dines isn't lesbian, so don't think this is just a lesbian issue. It impacts all women. Read her book "Pornland: How Pornography Has Hijacked Our Sexuality." I could barely read through some of the chapters because it was so disturbing. Pornography today isn't anything like the Playboy of the 1960s. Porn is becoming more extreme, and it's punishing to women's bodies. While some third wave feminists call themselves "sex positive", unimaginagle damage is being done to women. It's a very lucrative global industry, and it was sold to us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDcTt0emXhE

    ***Gail Dines Video....a must watch

    ***Dine's "Pornland"....good read ..it's not just about porn, it's about the damage being down to women all for profit of mostly men
    ***"Unnatural Selection: Choosing Boys Over Girls, and the Consequences of a World Full of Men" by Mara Hvistendahl

    She set out to investigate how, exactly, an estimated 163 million females came to be missing from the Asia's population—in South Korea, Vietnam, and Georgia, as well as India and China. Sex selective abortions ...163 million missing girls since the mid 1970s.



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  33. *Transwomen don’t respect biologic women: They threaten women who won’t accept them as women. They are potential rapists in disguise.

    Is this individual referring to male to female transsexuals? Male to female transsexual are human beings worthy of respect. Most are harmless, and are no threat to women. However, it's a fact that Richard Masbruch tied two women up, sadistically shocked them both with an electrical cord, then brutally raped them. He certainly had his penis when he did this. Now, he (Sherri) is housed in a women's prison. Of course, not all transwomen are like Sherri, but when someone like Richard (Sherri) comes along, women are supposed to remain silent at the risk of being branded "transphobic". Richard (Sherri) should be in a men's prison. Paul (Paula) Witherspoon should be in jail. Simply because they used to have a penis doesn't mean they can't be a danger to women. Isn't it horrible when women point this out. WE ARE ALL HORRIBLE TRANSPHOBES.

    Not all transwomen are out to hurt women, but we aren't going to shut up as long as men like Richard Masbruch is still housed with women. Torture and rape women...they will send you to a women's prison now that you call yourself Sherri....strangle your wife...you go to a women's prison....that is another case.

    V=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/23/1112262/--Male-rapist-put-into-women-s-prison

    If you are born male, then you aren't female... I'm sorry. Still human, but not female

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  34. How can anyone have a sincere hatred for porn? porn is awesome.

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  35. Anon @ October 20, 2012 3:46 PM

    Thanks for the reading/video list, I plan on checking them out. Sounds interesting.

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  36. To the Anon lover of porn @ 5:48 PM

    A couple videos for you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9j7-zZks08&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRZZAuPyG7I&feature=related

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  37. lol I got the impression from those videos that women don't know how to take personal responsibility for their actions. Of course I don't condone violence or rape/child pornography etc.
    But take the women in the second vid for example, she ends up in a hotel room where they are ready for a porn shoot that requires her to be the anal recipient, she says she doesn't do anal, they say if she doesn't do it they will just get someone else, but because shes worried they will be angry and that (most importantly) she wont get paid, she did it anyway... wow.. that was her decision, there was an out and she chose not to take it.
    I wonder if she would jump off a cliff if they asked her to as well.
    Then they talk about the conditions they are "forced" to work in, their not forced in to it... you don't HAVE to take that kind of work, If you don't like the conditions.. QUIT, ohh but they liked the fame and the drugs and the money and the trips to Vegas.

    none of that footage swayed me not to watch porn, but gave me some good names to search.

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  38. Anon 10:43,

    So you're all about choice, but you won't consider the systems that condition our choices. Either they deprive us of better choices or they train us to accept worse choices. I hate capitalism and I have been sexually assaulted, and I don't want to end up somewhere where I have to sell sex to survive. I want to change the world so no one has to sacrifice their personal boundaries or their health to survive.

    - Mary

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  39. I received all the pressures of a typical western girl to wear dresses, makeup, high heels and other pressures to do drugs, smoke etc, but I never ever did.
    The determining factor of what causes a person to go in to the sex industry is not social pressures, its themselves and their personal choice, not all people put in the exact same situation become prostitutes or porn girls.
    They do it because they want what their getting out of it, like all workers. Most people don't like their jobs but they like the money and that's why they do it.
    As fairly attractive women, they would probably be at the top of the list to get jobs on counters, but they don't pay the best, and they would rather get a lot of money quickly than work hard.
    plus the glits and glamor that can come with it.

    When men make bad decisions we tend to treat it as just that, bad decisions, but so many feminists seem to treat women like children with brains of mush who cant make their own decisions, bad or good.




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  40. "The world considers your 5ft self to be a joke. You're just spoiled, overly indulged brats who will be ex-trans trying to sue somebody in the future for your out grown "condition". Most of you will end up being soccer moms."

    You must be ugly, fat AND short to have that much bitterness. I'm none of those things, so keep dreaming.

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  41. @Anon at 12:44 PM
    You're right, It must be ugly or it wouldn't be so bitter.

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  42. When I was younger, I was so bitter towards transmen. I thought they were cocky, self-involved, misogynist victims. But I couldn't ever stop thinking about transmen and transitioning. I told myself and others that transmen were just too short, too fat, or thought they would get more girls by transitioning. Meanwhile, they WERE getting more girls, and boys, and everything else. I had paranoid thoughts that everyone was thinking I was unhappy and should transition. I *really* thought people were thinking about me, which is embarrassing in retrospect. I ranted and raved and talked myself in circles and got depressed and really couldn't move on. I worried about the end of butches, about transmen taking all the femmes. After years of that, I said to myself, "Okay, you've made your judgements and condemnations, you've made a thousand good, anti-transition feminist points, you've slandered people in your community behind their backs, so you should let it go, please. Please let it go because you are wasting your life. If there is any truth behind all the hateful and shitty things you are saying, as a person you should be able to accept yourself as a woman and be a goddamn good one, at least as an example for other woman." But I couldn't. If I had *ever* spoken the truth, you'd think it would have resonated somehow, but I didn't speak the truth. I spoke the hateful and bitter assumptions that were in my head. I spoke my fearful heart-I revealed more about myself than I ever did about anyone else. Finally, I faced myself, and faced that I knew from the beginning that I would transition, and the fight I put up was about abusing myself for being trans. It was about trying to die rather than risk losing my friends and family. It was about severe internalized transphobia fucking up my brain and self-esteem to the point that I wanted to disappear rather than face myself. You can have a thousand feminist qualms about transition, but if you are actually trans, you're going to need to deal with it sooner or later. I'd choose sooner. And the inequities of the world will not be corrected by your hate-warped self-rejection. Indeed, you won't be worth anything to anybody, any movement unless you can be who you are. If you can't let it go, you might need to wonder about that...

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  43. @2:10: Is there something freakish about a man being 5ft tall? I've know plenty, and they aren't trans. Are you trying to make a point about transmen not being convincing because they are short? It doesn't seem to be an issue for born-men, so I can't see what you're getting at.

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  44. I get this theory. I understand your point. I once did a thesis on post feminist queer identity and the hetero-sexist standard of female beauty ingrained into the modern culture. Basically stating that a-typical (read butch, soft butch tomboy or whatever other "label" society has given women who are not typically feminine) women are pushed out of the societal norms of attractiveness because society measures attractiveness and worth from a male hetero-sexist perspective. So in other words, any woman that does is not feminine by a male standard, is made to feel unattractive, and without a place. So I see where I could agree with you that changing one's gender is cow-towing to societal "norms" and potentially re-enforcing the idea that any woman who doesn't fit into the typical "womanly" package is not a woman and it does, in my humble opinion create a dichotomy that pits the hetero idea of femininity against what IS feminine and innately female. The logical part of my brain understands the points that you make, but the sister in me is somewhat confused. I am a lesbian and feminine (by my own definition) but I have a transgender sibling. Until this sibling came out to me, I would have agreed with you on a lot (not all) issues. Do you feel that there is a point when you have to just take a breath and ask yourself if supporting family is more important than upholding an ideal or political agenda? In your opinion I mean. I am genuinely curious.

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  45. Trying to get trans people to see the physical and psychological damage porn does to women is like trying to get the pope to disavow the bible. Which is to say, it's an utterly hopeless endeavor.

    Trans people are hooked on the concept of self hate, self abuse, body punishment and mutilation. Surgical brutality is at the very heart of their cult's doctrine. So, of course they aren't against any woman who's living those same values, or rather, lack of self value.

    So, trans men, keep lopping off your hideous, saggy breasts and sew up that nasty vagina. Your liberation is finally at hand!!! YAHOO!!!

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  46. Whatever, lady. I value myself *plenty*.

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  47. 5:32 PM

    I think I struck a nerve with this bitch.
    Whats funny Is I watch mostly amateur gay porn, but a war against porn means banning all porn, including my precious gay porn.

    I think its sad you think so little about women that you reduce them to sheep willingly lining up for the slaughter.

    women just cant comprehend the consequences of their actions, they are like children! you cant expect a women to make her own decisions!

    You know what other work results in physiological and physical trauma? how about, being a policeman or being a soldier? lines of work mostly occupied by men! ohh but we should expect men to suffer for women, right?

    It all boils down to a bunch of feminists who hate sex with men, the thought of a man pumping his cock in to a women and ejaculating is just too hideous an image for these feminists.

    Lastly, there's a whole community of people that really are in to self abuse and self mutilation, you really don't need to be trans to get in on that crowed, no trans person would opt to go through surgery if they could magic their breasts or penis away. whereas plenty of people in the body modification community opt not to use any kind of anesthesia as they feel that taking the pain is a huge part of the body modification experience, so why don't you put those people on your list of hate you crazy cunt.

    yep I used the words Bitch and Cunt in this post, going to cry misogyny?


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  48. phychological*
    frigging autocorrect is pissing me off.

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  49. To the commenter @ 5:14 PM with the trans sibling- you can be kind and supportive to your family members without necessarily supporting or agreeing with their choices in life. I have relatives with political and religious beliefs that are different from mine, as well as a few relatives who drink too much, smoke too much, or don't take care of their health the way I think they should. I still love them, even if I don't agree with everything they do.

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  50. So, trans men, keep lopping off your hideous, saggy breasts and sew up that nasty vagina. Your liberation is finally at hand!!! YAHOO!!!

    You must have a complex about your own vagina to be putting others down. Go scrub your vagina and then see how you feel. You might need some steel wool to scrub it!

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  51. to the person who said she's not sure why T is with LGBT but whatever, it's there, we have to accept it (paraphrasing): i think we have every right to know HOW and WHY it was included when it's so completely different than homosexuality (whether or not transes think of themselves as 'gay' after 'transition')
    to the anonymous 6:41 poster: it's much more than the words 'bitch' and 'cunt' that make your comment misogynistic
    also, about the '5 foot tall' thing- often it's the extreme shortness of transmen that brings to light their other obvious female traits- short men look nothing like short transmen

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  52. there's this adorable baby walrus 'mitik' that just came over to ny- i was reading that he at first only liked male humans (after they rescued him) and was frightened of the women- i wonder what it is that made him know the difference; i'm sure they were all wearing the same kind of clothing- i'm quite sure mitik would identify people as their biological sex... just like my dog didn't like men, and definitely considered 'transwomen' men and barked at them... just shows that biological sex is real and out of the animal kingdom- gender is illusory bullshit for neurotic humans

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  53. yeah, me believing women can be independent adults is so terribly misogynistic.

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  54. Right, independent adults who enjoy being pumped full of ejaculate!

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  55. Transmen come in all sizes, just like women and men do. I've got two ftm friends who are 5' 10". I'm 5'7". You aren't even seeing us. I don't envy the life of a short transguy, but then I don't envy a fat dyke either, or anyone whose body makes them noticeably different. Ha! Google Balian Buschbaum if you want to see someone I might envy!

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  56. i notice 'transmen' of all sizes and there are tons of them in nyc- the female is always obvious, yes even in that german woman that seems to be the only example people give for passing- it's something that hormones and surgery can't erase- women almost always can tell- which is why both mtf and ftm's generally end up pairing with other transes or males

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  57. no, there is nothing obviously female about Buschbaum, hon. Unless you are obsessing about transmen's bodies already, that is. Have whatever opinion you want about us, but know that being delusional will decrease your credibility. When I have to come out to people after working with them for years, nothing but male is being read about me. Even then they still don't believe me, or think i'm a pre-transition mtf...Besides, wtf would I care if a few obsessed dykes can read me? Those are always the ones who end up transitioning later.

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  58. your argument should be that it really doesn't matter if transmen still share female sex characteristics.

    There is really no good reason to point this out other than to be a complete twat. Its kind of like saying people with glass eyes or prosthetic's shouldn't wear them because their not real eyes/ears/ noses.
    At the end of the day, these things help increase the individuals quality of life, and to mock them for it is nothing less than bullying.
    I'm sure I will have some prick say "lopping off your tits is not the same!" weather you like it or not, these surgeries do increase that individuals quality of life.

    I can totally sympathize that not everyone is going to understand, but taking cheap shots at these people doesn't do anything to benefit your agenda, the soul reason for people to point out that someone will still carry traits they rather they didn't, is to make that person feel upset or even more self conscious. It's just a dick move all round.

    I think what they are hoping for is that you will come to terms with the fact that you will always carry feminine characteristics, and thus, give up on transgenderism,
    But it really doesn't work that way.
    the hormones and surgeries help these people be more comfortable in their bodies, Its much better to be more comfortable in your body than to be totally dissatisfied.

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  59. It's all in the eyes and in the proportion of top to bottom half of body (and of course just basic energy- especially a palpable insecurity which manifests itself through this real obsession with gender roles, clothes, hair, meaningless garbage)... We are required to play along with the trans gender-fantasy so feelings don't get hurt- it's not a private undertaking.
    From an androgynous 40 year old homosexual female who has NO desire to be a dude.

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  60. also, is life about 'comfort?'
    about being 'made comfortable?'
    are you all on your death beds or something?

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  61. "From an androgynous 40 year old homosexual female who has NO desire to be a dude." no one gives a flying fuck.

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  62. "I think I struck a nerve with this bitch.

    Whats funny Is I watch mostly amateur gay porn, but a war against porn means banning all porn, including my precious gay porn.

    I think its sad you think so little about women that you reduce them to sheep willingly lining up for the slaughter.

    women just cant comprehend the consequences of their actions, they are like children! you cant expect a women to make her own decisions!

    You know what other work results in physiological and physical trauma? how about, being a policeman or being a soldier? lines of work mostly occupied by men! ohh but we should expect men to suffer for women, right?

    It all boils down to a bunch of feminists who hate sex with men, the thought of a man pumping his cock in to a women and ejaculating is just too hideous an image for these feminists.

    "Lastly, there's a whole community of people that really are in to self abuse and self mutilation, you really don't need to be trans to get in on that crowed, no trans person would opt to go through surgery if they could magic their breasts or penis away. whereas plenty of people in the body modification community opt not to use any kind of anesthesia as they feel that taking the pain is a huge part of the body modification experience, so why don't you put those people on your list of hate you crazy cunt."

    This is a rather warped and disturbed paragraph. I don't know anyone into self abuse and self mutilation, but it sounds as if this person might. Because I don't know anyone really into pain, I don't feel qualified to speak on this subject. As to "transitioning", the word itself hides the surgery and years of cross gender hormones. When we cut into healthy tissue, it's never completely painless. Here we go again with calling women "cunts". For some reason, this person really likes calling women "cunts". I wonder where he picked this up from?
    yep I used the words Bitch and Cunt in this post, going to cry misogyny?"

    If some man called his mother or sister a cunt, I wonder what he would do? As to liking amateur porn, porn is a very lucrative industry, and there hardly is a "war on porn". If anything, based on the various forms of violence against women, one would think that there is a war against women.

    "It all boils down to a bunch of feminists who hate sex with men, the thought of a man pumping his cock in to a women and ejaculating is just too hideous an image for these feminists."

    Judging by this statement, I wonder if he knows the difference between simply **cking a woman and making love to her. Indeed, I wonder if he has ever made love to a woman, or had the ability to bring her to orgasm. Sex is far more than simply "pumping a cock into a woman". Perhaps he has been watching too much porn. If all he wants to do is put a cock into a hole, he can buy a blow up doll for that, or find pretty much any hole to masturbate into. I do get the feeling that this man is porn sick, and wouldn't know how to satisfy a woman if he had to. By the way, women in porn get paid to moan and make it sound like it's great. Real women don't moan on command. Women enjoy intercourse occasionally, but usually need clitoral stimulation for orgasm. What goes on in porn is not about making love to a woman. Because porn is becoming more extreme, and porn producers have to constantly push the envelope looking for something more degrading, extreme, and body punishing today's porn is more about making hate to a woman.

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  63. The following paragraph is from Gail Dine's Pornland.

    "Do you know what we say to things like romance and foreplay? We say fuck off! This is not another site with half-erect weenies trying to impress bold sluts. We take gorgeous young bitches and do what every man would REALLY like to do. We make them gag till their makeup starts running, and then they get all other holes sore -- vaginal, anal, double penetrations, anything brutal involving a cock and an orifice. And then we give them the sticky bath."

    Gail Dines, Pornland: How Pornography Has Hijakced Our Sexuality.

    The following is from an interview with Dines in which she documents the damage done to women's bodies from porn. Porn is becoming far more extreme compared to twenty or thirty years ago. It's not your dad's Playboy anymore, especially the more extreme Gonzo porn online in which two men might penetrate a woman either anally or vaginally. This is not sex. Rather, it's about making hate to a woman. Dine's book is well researched.

    "And I want to get to that question, but let's talk about the effects on women. Because as the industry has changed, the women participating in that industry have gone from, you know, being photographed naked to now being literally brutalized -- physically brutalized. What does the average female participant in the pornography industry go through in terms of her physical degradation and her physical health?
    GD: If you watch pornography you see that immediately. What you see is a woman being penetrated brutally vaginally, anally and orally. As that's happening -- three men at one time, four men at one time -- she's being called vile, hateful names, she's being sometimes slapped, sometimes her hair is pulled... Even the industry said that many women have a hard time being in the industry for more than three months. Why? Because of the brutalization of the body.

    SK: Three months?

    GD: That's what the article says in Adult Video News . Also, I've interviewed somebody who worked with AIM, the health care organization that takes care of the health of porn performers, and he was telling me just what happens to the bodies of these women. For example, he said one of the big things are anal prolapses, where literally their anuses drop out of their body and have to be sewn back in because of the brutal anal sex. He also talked about gonorrhea of the eye, and the latest thing -- because you have something called [ass to mouth] -- they put the penis into the anus, and then into her mouth without washing. They're finding now that women are getting fecal bacterial infections in their mouth and throat."

    http://www.alternet.org/story/148142/should_we_worry_whether_porn_has_hijacked_our_sexuality?page=0%2C1

    Again, I'm sorry that this individual hates women so much. No, women are not cunts or bitches. The female sexual response is one of the most exquisitely beautiful experiences imaginable. It's impossible to have the earth shattering privilege of experiencing this while you're feverishly jerking off to some hot pornography. Women in porn get paid to pretend they like it. It's amazing how centuries of oppression and poverty shape and forge one's decisions. If you are gay and like gay porn as you state, masturbating to porn is not the same as real intimacy. Instead of being terrified of losing your "precious gay porn", why not find a real relationship? I actually feel sorry for men who are so hooked on porn because deep down they must feel so utterly alone, alienated, and powerless. It seems to me that men might lose a tiny slice of their soul when they have to substitute masturbating to porn for mutual shared and fulfilling intimacy. Don't both men and women deserve something better than this? Porn and sex are two different things. I actually feel so sorry for people who really can't tell the difference.

    At any rate, these are my feelings.

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  64. More on second wave feminists being dykeosaurs....

    Amongst the most significant legal victories of the movement after the formation of NOW were a 1967 Executive Order extending full Affirmative Action rights to women, Title IX and the Women's Educational Equity Act (1972 and 1974, respectively, educational equality), Title X (1970, health and family planning), the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (1974), the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, the illegalization of marital rape (although not illegalized in all states until 1993 ), the legalization of no-fault divorce (although not allowed in all states until 2010), a 1975 law requiring the U.S. Military Academies to admit women, and many Supreme Court cases, perhaps most notably Reed v. Reed of 1971 and Roe v. Wade of 1973.

    **Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 became law in the U.S., and it barred employment discrimination on account of sex, race, etc. by private employers, employment agencies, and unions.

    ***The [U.S.] Equal Employment Opportunity Commission was established; in its first five years, 50,000 complaints of gender discrimination were received.

    ***Haven House, the first "modern"
    women's shelter in the world, opened in California.

    1965

    ***Casey Hayden and Mary King circulated a memo about sexism in the American civil rights movement.

    ***The U.S. Supreme Court case Griswold v. Connecticut struck down the only remaining state law banning the use of contraceptives by married couples.

    ***The case Weeks v. Southern Bell marked a major triumph in the fight against restrictive labor laws and company regulations on the hours and conditions of women’s work in the U.S., opening many previously male-only jobs to women.

    ***The "Woman Question" was raised for the first time at a Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) conference.

    ***EEOC commissioners were appointed to enforce the Civil Rights Act. Among them there was only one woman, Aileen Hernandez, a future president of the National Organization for Women.

    Whether a woman is a second or third wave feminist, or doesn't consider herself a feminist, we are all women. We are here today because of the struggles of women (and some men too) who came before us. They might be ancient "dykeosaurs", but their record speaks for itself. In reality, widening income inequality and globalization didn't explode until the start of neo-liberalism economics of Reagan and Thatcher. The term Neoliberalism is most commonly used to refer to economic liberalizations, free trade and open markets, privatization, deregulation, and enhancing the role of the private sector in modern society. In a real sense, both working class men and women suffered, and unions were being dismantled. This is the period in which third wave feminism emerged.

    Dines on the Defanging of Feminism:

    “There is no such thing as cheap labour, there is only labour that has been made cheap”

    “Women perform 66% of the worlds work, produce 50% of the food, but earn 10% of the income and own 1% of the property”

    On Third Wave Feminism – “Orgasms are nice, but revolutions are better.”

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  65. In praise of dinosaurs and dykosaurs......

    Humans have walked the Earth for 190,000 years, a mere blip in Earth's 4.5-billion-year history.
    Dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago (at the end of the Cretaceous Period), after living on Earth for about 165 million years. If all of Earth time from the very beginning of the dinosaurs to today were compressed into 365 days (1 calendar year), the dinosaurs appeared January 1 and became extinct the third week of September. (Using this same time scale, the Earth would have formed approximately 18.5 years earlier.) By comparison, people (Homo sapiens) have been on earth only since December 31 (New Year's eve). The dinosaurs' long period of dominance certainly makes them unqualified successes in the history of life on Earth.

    http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dinosaurs/extinct.html

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  66. I like dinosaurs too.

    I think the reason that second wave feminists were rejected by younger women is that nobody wanted to be like you. Nobody saw themselves in you. People wanted to be able to point out what they saw that was wrong AND have fun, not be a pouty, stern old judgamoo. Fucking second wavers hated butches and wouldn't let them into their CR meetings because butches were too much like men. They hated women who raised kids or worked in the home, or who were married to men. What the fuck? At some point, you have to wonder if they represented anyone but themselves. You can't claim to be fighting for somebody while insisiting that they do everything like you do. It's more like the movement was for white, upper class, androgynous, political lesbians only, to get higher paying jobs. Claiming to represent "women" while rejecting more than half of them based on their lives, loves, politics, etc is bullshit. You confused the issue with your own self-centeredness, and now the world rejects feminism outright. You tried to make every single little instance of personal discomfort a feminist issue and now you are the boy who cried wolf. The backlash is your fault, for failing to acknowledge that you were only ever really fighting for yourselves. Imagine what could have happened if all that feminist power was concentrated into a unified movement to end violence against women worldwide instead of trying to convince everyone that unless you get to be CEO, you are oppressed. Bullshit.

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  67. your post was ridiculous, full of completely subjective bullshit like "The female sexual response is one of the most exquisitely beautiful experiences imaginable"
    You know people watch porn AND have sex right?
    You also know people have sex with people they don't love also right? cant really "make love" to just another fuck buddy.
    There's so much to enjoy about sex outside of "making love"

    I skipped the Gail Dine's bullcrap as I already covered that, women are responsible adults, they don't have to do anything they don't want to do, and they are entitled to do things they don't like doing for money, just like most workers do.

    "It seems to me that men might lose a tiny slice of their soul when they have to substitute masturbating to porn for mutual shared and fulfilling intimacy"

    Nope, well, some might I have no idea, but porn is enjoyed by men (and women) who also have sex, there is enough time to enjoy pornography and enjoy sex aswell, its not a case of substituting one for the other, the two are entirely compatible. like, eating dinner and snacking.

    sex comes in so many forms, some people restrict themselves to none, or one form, and other people make sex a hobby or a career.










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  68. October 23, 2012 1:42 AM, your posts are made-up bullshit!! You have a lot to thank second wavers for. "3rd fauxminism is only for perverts and males and other assorted losers like yourself. You're late for a slut walk.

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  69. "Trans people are hooked on the concept of self hate, self abuse, body punishment and mutilation".

    True.

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  70. I went to a feminist picnic the other day, it was great, except for the fact that no one made any sandwiches.

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  71. "also, is life about 'comfort?'
    about being 'made comfortable?'
    are you all on your death beds or something?"

    So because you're not comfortable, other people shouldn't be allowed to be?
    OK.

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  72. "You know what other work results in physiological and physical trauma? how about, being a policeman or being a soldier"?

    Then don't go into that line of work. Men just can't comprehend the consequences of their actions. They're like like children.

    "When men make bad decisions we tend to treat it as just that, bad decisions"

    Men blame everybody but themselves. Much like you've done on here, porn sicko.

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  73. Trans"men" are now trying to resurrect the word “gynophobic” to try and pressure gay males to fuck them. LOL. If you're really males calling someone gynophobic makes no sense.

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  74. 6:49, you are an idiot, my entire point is that men accept that when they go to war or get injured on duty, that injury or death are possible consequences of such work, yet feminists act like women can't make their own similar decisions and cant comprehend that they might get injured at work.

    "Men blame everybody but themselves. Much like you've done on here, porn sicko."
    is just simply untrue, men don't play the victim card even close to half as much as women do.
    And yeah, I love porn, weather that makes me a sicko or not is entirely subjective.

    too easy.

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  75. I'd just like to say that I'm a dude who doesn't watch porn but 8 out of 10 of my female class mates regularly watch it.

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  76. porn zombie @7:44,
    Don't want to get you all hot and bothered(God knows porn watchers got the short end of the stick when it comes to imagination,) but while these mostly young men with disadvantaged backgrounds who enlist in the military may not be being hurt, degraded and filmed for someone else's sick viewing pleasure, they often get the shitty dangerous jobs. There are countless stories of soldiers deserting, commiting suicide,etc.

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  77. ""From an androgynous 40 year old homosexual female who has NO desire to be a dude."
    no one gives a flying fuck.

    The reason I clarified my 'identity' was in response to the constant argument by the trans believers that people who disagree with the ideology are in fact latent transsexuals themselves:

    Besides, wtf would I care if a few obsessed dykes can read me? Those are always the ones who end up transitioning later.

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  78. 1:28 Ignoring the pathetic nonsense at the beginning of your post.

    I would have to ask what your point is.
    what men have experienced on the streets and in battle is far worse than what any porn girl has experienced.
    being executed or having limbs torn off, seeing your fellow man die for no longer being able to live with what you saw in battle is a little more serious than women being filmed having sex and regretting it, or even being raped. (yes I believe being murdered is worse than being raped)
    Either way, both knew (or should have known/took the time to research) what they were getting in to, its what they signed up for, they knew there could be pain and they knew there could be misery, and if they didn't, they were incredibly naive.

    many feminists here seem to believe women aren't quite as mentally stable as men, and thus cant truly make their own choices, like the soldiers and police have to.
    But I believe women ARE mentally stable and CAN make their own decisions.

    you're in the mindset that porn work is vile, sick, degrading etc (all subjective btw)
    But there are women out there that disagree and don't want YOU dictating to them what work they can, can't, should or shouldn't do.
    Which is what I thought feminists fought against, seems I was very wrong.

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  79. "I think the reason that second wave feminists were rejected by younger women is that nobody wanted to be like you. Nobody saw themselves in you. People wanted to be able to point out what they saw that was wrong AND have fun, not be a pouty, stern old judgamoo. Fucking second wavers hated butches and wouldn't let them into their CR meetings because butches were too much like men. They hated women who raised kids or worked in the home, or who were married to men. What the fuck? At some point, you have to wonder if they represented anyone but themselves. You can't claim to be fighting for somebody while insisiting that they do everything like you do. It's more like the movement was for white, upper class, androgynous, political lesbians only, to get higher paying jobs. Claiming to represent "women" while rejecting more than half of them based on their lives, loves, politics, etc is bullshit. You confused the issue with your own self-centeredness, and now the world rejects feminism outright. You tried to make every single little instance of personal discomfort a feminist issue and now you are the boy who cried wolf. The backlash is your fault, for failing to acknowledge that you were only ever really fighting for yourselves. Imagine what could have happened if all that feminist power was concentrated into a unified movement to end violence against women worldwide instead of trying to convince everyone that unless you get to be CEO, you are oppressed. Bullshit."

    Perhaps the only thing that really matters is what kind of world we leave to future generations of young women and young men. The accomplishments of first and second wave feminists in terms of things that really matter such as voting rights for women and minorities and reproductive health care for all women speak for themselves. I don’t have anything against so-called third wave feminists because I see women’s issues as one long timeline in which each generation passes on its wisdom and insight to the next generation. ONE DAY THIRD WAVE FEMINISM WILL BE OUTDATED AND CONSIDERED HOPELESSLY OLD FASHIONED. THE ONLY CONSTANT IS CHANGE. What kind of world will this generation leave to its children? In all honesty, I do not know, but I do have my concerns.

    "The backlash is your fault, for failing to acknowledge that you were only ever really fighting for yourselves."

    First and second wave feminists should be ashamed of fighting tenaciously for voting rights, equal pay, and reproductive rights. Perhaps we should all return to a time of back alley abortions, no reproductive rights, and no voting rights for women.
    If you take the time to watch Dine’s video, you will notice a lot of young women in the audience. Young women are waking up, looking around, and they are starting to sense that something is amiss. Yes, second wave feminism might have its flaws, but the violence against women continues. Even young women seem to sense this.

    Isn’t it strange that the backlash against feminism emerged about the same time as the backlash against identity politics in general. That is, minority rights and labor unions. Dines does an excellent job of explaining how the economic theory of neo-liberalism (globalization, erosion of labor rights and organized unions, widening income inequality etc.) managed to defang feminism. It’s very insightful.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDcTt0emXhE

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  80. "I skipped the Gail Dine's bullcrap as I already covered that, women are responsible adults, they don't have to do anything they don't want to do, and they are entitled to do things they don't like doing for money, just like most workers do."

    I’m sorry that this individual skipped Gail Dine’s bullcrap. As to pornography, it’s amazing how centuries of oppression and poverty shape and forge the decisions that people make.

    “women are responsible adults, they don't have to do anything they don't want to do, and they are entitled to do things they don't like doing for money, just like most workers do."

    Most workers don't get Chlamydia and gonorrhea of the throat and/or eye/and or anus, hepatitis B, and vaginal and anal tears. Of course, there is also HIV.

    "Even the industry has said that shooting hardcore today is “difficult and demanding.” The Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation, a non-profit organization that serves the sex industry, states that women in pornography are at risk for Chlamydia and gonorrhea of the throat and/or eye/and or anus, hepatitis B, and vaginal and anal tears."

    1. 15,000 new porn movies will be released this year.

    2. There are 420 million internet porn pages, 4.2 million porn Websites, and 68 million search engine requests for porn daily.

    3. Annual revenue from hotel porn rentals is more than $500 million.

    TODAY'S PORN ISN'T YOUR DAD'S OLD PLAYBOY.

    "The titles of movies and websites say it all:

    Anally Ripped Whores, Gag Me then Fuck Me, Fuck the Babysitter, Cum Swapping Cheerleader, Gag on My Gag, First Time with Daddy, Brutal Blow Jobs and so on.

    If you go on Gagfactor.com you see a 20 second clip of a scene with a young woman they call Scarlett. To give you a sense of the content of today’s porn, I will describe the clip. “Scarlett” is blonde, dressed in Victoria Secret’s type underwear and looks resigned to having a vise-like contraption digging into her neck and head. The 20-second clip opens with Scarlett sitting on a toilet having a penis thrust down her throat while the man attached to the penis pulls her head back and forward using the handles on the vise. He drags her off the toilet onto her knees where he continues to thrust his penis. You watch Scarlett from above begin to gag, eyes bulging, and as she tries to pull away to breath, the man pulls the vise toward his penis with greater force so she can’t move. As all this is going on he is screaming obscenities at her. On one site advertising the movie Anally Ripped Whores, the text reads:

    "We at Pure Filth know exactly what you want and we’re giving it to you. Chicks being ass fucked till their sphincters are pink, puffy and totally blown out. Adult diapers just might be in store for these whores when their work is done."

    In one of the only studies on the content of contemporary pornography,[vii] it was found that the majority of scenes from 50 of the top-rented porn movies contained both physical and verbal abuse targeted against the female performers. Physical aggression, which included spanking, open-hand slapping and gagging, occurred in over 88% of scenes while expressions of verbal aggression, calling the woman names such as bitch or slut, were found in 48% of the scenes. The researchers concluded that “if we combine both physical and verbal aggression, our findings indicate that nearly 90% of scenes contained at least one aggressive act

    Congressional Briefing on the Harms of Pornography

    http://gaildines.com/2010/06/congressional-briefing/

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  81. "Don't want to get you all hot and bothered(God knows porn watchers got the short end of the stick when it comes to imagination,) but while these mostly young men with disadvantaged backgrounds who enlist in the military may not be being hurt, degraded and filmed for someone else's sick viewing pleasure, they often get the shitty dangerous jobs. There are countless stories of soldiers deserting, commiting suicide,etc."

    This paragraph is absolutely correct, and the grunts on the ground get the dirty dangerous work. My oldest sister was a nurse in the Army and she worked in a burn unit. She saw burned and mangled bodies every day. I know that she still carries the emotional scars with her to this day. So, don’t tell me that only men suffer in war. No one even mentions innocent women and children that are bombed, mangled, and suffer from PTSD. Who cares about the women and children killed in Bush’s illegal war in Iraq? By the way, women don’t control the Pentagon or the military. Women don’t control Enron or Halliburton or the oil companies. I stood in the pouring rain opposing George W. Bush’s war in Iraq. Bless the vets on the ground, curse the brass.

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  82. "I’m sorry that this individual skipped Gail Dine’s bullcrap. As to pornography, it’s amazing how centuries of oppression and poverty shape and forge the decisions that people make."
    Because women selling sex is such a recent phenomenon.
    Its not like prostitution hasn't been observed in other primates, ohh wait!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_among_animals

    fucking monkeys and their patriarchy!

    "Most workers don't get Chlamydia and gonorrhea of the throat and/or eye/and or anus, hepatitis B, and vaginal and anal tears. Of course, there is also HIV"

    But the sex industry doesn't consist of all existing workers, this argument falls flat at the first hurdle.

    There are plenty of jobs that do put people at risk of illness and injury including diseases like HIV, including a very common form of employment, being a cleaner.
    I could just as easily say "Most workers don't get shot, blown up, executed, crushed etc. It would be true, but those are still risks people take in their particular line of work.
    Then you go on to describe some porn that I suspect you believe will sicken me, when I really don't give a crap, I've seen the equivalent in gay porn, and like the men in gay porn, the women have the choice to participate, it might not be to everyone's taste, but that doesn't mean it should be banned.


    To 6:47 PM
    Everyone seems to care about women and children being injured or killed in war, when we hear about the atrocities of war, the loss of innocent women and children is the first thing to be brought up, also no one said women don't suffer through war, if you are going to debate, debate on things actually being said here.
    btw, who is in control doesn't make a lick of difference.

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  83. The discusion has certainky derailed.

    I believe that the original premiss of the post was verbatim:
    "Transition both medically and socially was born out of patriarchal violence against women. Post Queer Theory, how has the Trans community/Trans Politic manufactured a whole new level of violence against women?"


    Now back on topic:
    Dirt, how does this position stand up to the fact that the first transitions for many years were male to female? Certainly these transsexual pioneers were not participating in the erasure of female identity and violence to females.

    As a transsexual I can asure you that our medical providers are not quick to provide us with hormones and surgeries. It is a complicated set of hoops to go through. The transsexual has to hound the medical comunity to get transition related services in most cases.
    So there is no medical machiene turning out transsexuals like fords off the lot.

    Now as to your suposition that it is a social manifestation I got nothing. As a member of this society I am not in an objective position to evaluate it. My view is to obscured by my proximity to the situation.

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  84. porn zombie @1:28,
    Yes, I also think most women are capable of making their own decisions. You may not realize it, but some people make decisions under extreme stress/desperation. Your priviledged background shines thru with they "should have known/took the time to research." I don't think landing on the wrong side of the tracks - making porn, prostitution, selling/becoming addicted to drugs, etc. is anything these women aspired to in their young girl dreams, do you? Most would get out if they could, please think about that when you're basking in the glow of your porn screen.

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  85. Silly, most people don't grow up to be what they aspired to be as children.
    But all the things you mentioned are life choices, unless you are physically kidnapped, forced to take drugs and sleep with men, I can understand how those women didn't have a choice, but it is your choice weather you do something out of pressure, when there Is a way out.
    People will always be desperate for money, no matter how much help you give them, plenty of women in the UK receive benefit money and council houses off the government and STILL go in to prostitution.
    By taking away these options for women, you are only depriving them of another source of income, and forcing them to go in to work they should be opting for regardless of if porn/prostitution is legal.

    All you are saying is
    "OK OK, I believe women are just as capable as men to make their own decision, but their not as strong willed as men"

    once again you are dictating to women what work they should and shouldn't do, dictating to women who don't want your opinion.

    Lastly, the privilege card is just another method to silence, not going to work.

    If you want to help women not make bad decisions in life, go work on that, but you don't have to ban porn and drive it under ground in to even more horrific conditions.
    you cant ever rid the world of pornography, too many women are happy for the quick and easy money.

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  86. Anon @ October 25, 2012 2:48 AM,

    I agree with your positions. The vast majority of the people working in porn/prostitution are at a real low point in their lives. Even the ones that weren't trafficked, forced or coerced into it, just don't feel very good about what their doing or themselves. Recognizing their vulnerability and unhappiness, I don't want to contribute to their demise. I still have empathy for them and care about what happens to them, even if they have ceased to care themselves. I believe taking advantage of someone in their darkest days is exploitation, not to mention the very definition of ASSHOLE!

    The other thing is, I've always been able to maintain a fulfilling sex life, in real life, with someone who actually cares for me. I don't feel the need to crush other people's spirit in pursuit of a fucking orgasm. How pathetic is that? When it comes to porn, I think, "no thanks, I'm just not that desperate."

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  87. The Irony that more than one women on here has spouted the equivalent of slut shaming.
    when men are ridiculing women for having too much sex, feminists are ridiculing men for not getting enough sex.

    "When it comes to porn, I think, "no thanks, I'm just not that desperate."

    "It seems to me that men might lose a tiny slice of their soul when they have to substitute masturbating to porn for mutual shared and fulfilling intimacy"

    These are shaming tactics, as ridiculous and untrue as they are.

    Feminists are such huge hypocrites.

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