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Thursday, September 6, 2012

RadFem-The Absence of Feminism-The Presence of Psychosis

...And you sit there and talk revolution
but can you tell me just who's in command?
when you tell me the forces we are fighting
then I'll gladly join and make plans
but for now only our t-shirts cry freedom
and our voices are gagged by our greed
our minds are harnessed by knowledge
by the hill and the will to succeed
and if that's not what you believe
would you just let me know I'm not standing alone
that I'm not just a voice in the crowd...

From Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors by Fish

These lyrics were written in the late 1980's but they could easily apply to the current state of feminism, particularly the sect calling itself Radical Feminism, aka RadFem. Sadly the only revolution existing among RadFems consists mostly of idle chatter, tweets, FB shares and some kindergarten arts and crafts even. And there is a discrepancy regarding who exactly they’re fighting: men, men claiming to be women, men who haven’t had SRS, men who have, women claiming to be men, women who “look” like men, women who “act” like men, the rich, the poor, whites, non white, academics, non academics, feminists, non feminist, lesbians, non lesbians, prostitutes, men who pick up prostitutes, sex slavery, the porn industry…an endless list. And that’s not to say that there isn’t an overwhelming list of issues that feminists/RadFems need to address, there is. But instead of agreeing on a single issue and tackling that issue till it no longer is a threat like some of our suffragettes/feminists of yesteryear, current RadFems are busy at work retweeting and FB sharing articles with each other, along with copious pats on the back for doing so. Meanwhile the only women privy to RadFem tweets and FB shares are the small few who are on each others private lists. The women who truly NEED feminist news, particularly feminist interventions, remain on the outside. For they are either too poor, too black, too non English speaking, too uneducated, too busy selling their bodies to feed their children, too, too, too. And today's RadFems aren't interested in too's.

I recently removed about twenty or so odd RadFems from my FaceBook.  I removed these RadFems because I could no longer stomach the Dworkinesque hypocrisy, ignored mental health troubles, child speak, narcissism, classism, racism, lezbophobia, male hatred, two facedness, misogynists etc. Women claiming lesbian asylum for political reasons. Women working with Trans male clients from 9 to 5 while in their spare time demanding “twanz-women” stay out of women’s spaces. Women making exceptions for Trans males who have had their “penis” altered. Women more invested in getting laid than in making the world a better place for females in the future. Women with slews of mental diagnosis made from the very male medical machine that is now transitioning children in order to eradicate homosexuals, in short, women incapable of revolutionary thought or action. It is these motley crew who are supposed to be some of today’s leading feminist, but you wont find a radical, feminist or otherwise between the lot of them.

One of the most recent retweeting's among radfems is the death of a former radfem, Shulamith Firestone, whom might be remembered for writing The Dialectic of Sex. This supposed feminist ground breaker is clearly indebted to French feminism and her strange futuristic notions of sex and child birth taken straight out of the dystopian novel, whether that be Zamyatin's We, Orwell's 1984 or Huxley's Brave New World, it makes little difference. What I find most striking about Ms. Firestone was her mental illness, which seems to be a necessary component of past and current radfems. Shulamith was hospitalized at various times for "schizophrenia" whereby she became a total recluse. As a female and as a feminist I have to be suspect of her diagnosis, but regardless, she obviously had or developed serious mental issues. And it is these mental issues that seem to be the cornerstone for Radical Feminism as we know it now.

The she-can-do-no-wrong queen bee of Radical Feminism, Andrea Dworkin was a walking billboard for mental illness. Dworkin was grossly over weight and unkempt and she fiercely hated males in the personal, rather than the political system of men i.e. patriarchy. She claims (and I believe her) that she was molested/raped as a girl, and physically abused by her fist husband. I can only assume she never received any help for these deep early wounds and suspect like many female statistical abuse victims, she turned her anger away from her perpetrators towards herself, thereby trying to make herself as unattractive to the male gaze as possible. Rather than seek help and confront the gulf within her fractured psyche, she in hereto-privileged fashion declared herself a "lesbian" further delegitimatizing the existence of lesbians and even going so far as to hold on to lesbian even after she married a man. As her radfem popularity was wanning and just before the publication of a book she conveniently claimed publicly to have been raped in a Paris hotel by two males. Few if anyone (including feminists) believed her, given her years of working with rape victims and for rape crisis centers, she didnt go to a hospital or have a rape kit done. She instead supposedly called her Gyno in the US whom she claimed told her even though she didnt participate in vaginal penetration, that there would be no way to tell two men raped her. Ummm yeah. Her published account of the "rape" reads as contradictory and inane as her claims of alien abduction. All and all a very mentally ill and unstable woman, radfem and all.

Another darling of modern radfems is Valerie Solanas, known as much for shooting Andy Warhol (to make her famous where her talents failed to) as for her SCUM Manifesto. Solanas, like Firestone was a paranoid schizophrenic, and like Dworkin created rape allegations which her actions vehemently denied. Like Dworkin she also had a history of prostitution even after possessing a psychology degree, and claimed she was a lesbian although she had regular romantic relationships with men.

Not surprisingly these radfems and others like them are the shero's of today's radfems, mentally unhealthy/unstable women who hate most, and in some cases all men. They hold men to blame for all their troubles, yet seek refuge in their own private separatist worlds. While misogyny and the patriarchal structures which support misogyny surely can be held accountable for some troubled radfem minds, like the wholly radfem trinity, most of todays radfem's mental issues go above and beyond. It seems a bankrupt mind and a healthy hatred of men to be the two main requirements for modern radfems while feminism lies somewhere out of their sight.

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  1. Interesting post Dirty.

    Germaine Greer when raped and discussing it on the radio 30 years after the event said "I was attacked with a penis not a knife" and as such that she personally didn't feel the need blah on about what happened to her.

    The basic premise of the femanist ideology is dead simple. Not to be reductive.

    So ... being stead fast in a label of any kind can be ... empowering ... or reductive. Any label of any kind.

    Feminism's simple premise is about letting people be who they are. Such a society, will naturally sort out the good from the bad. Acceptance is part of change.

    Name calling and going bonkers at people is more in keeping with moral panic theory in which debate causes the wheel of change to turn around and thus new ideals become the rocks of society as a result.

    None of that needs to have any academics name next to although you could look across post modernism, structralism, communist, feminist ideas and more besides and find all the same strands being said over and over again.

    If you really really want to help young people who maybe trans ... doing what you do and how you do it is not really the best way for you to do it.

    Common sense...kindness and the space to allow others to be who they are even if ... in your opinion ... they are making mistakes ... is a must.

    It has to be said if you look at your reading list of blogs this horrid hateful one is the most fun to read.

    You get people really upset. They hate you. You get painted into your idealistic corners and can become plain horrible to them in response and all the time ... actually... things do change. Actually ... a lot of those kids you are spiteful at become more determind. They wheel turns and each day transgendered people beoome a more solidified body of people.

    That is happening anyway without you ... but it should be said you are aiding that process.

    I just think it's a shame you are not turning the wheel of chnage in a positive way. I think you want to do that more than anything. (I have been asking you about what's going on with you but you have been ignoring me and I'm done asking now).

    I think that as a gay woman in her 40s you could actaully be making new young friends and helping them in a more personal way. As it is ... you are but not in a happy way. Not in an intended way.

    Good luck with getting it right.

    To all the FTMs ... Good luck with that.

    I'm done now forever on this site. More interesting sites and actually people to see and have a chat with.

    I will check and see if you reply Dirty. I will check and see if you delete this. It would be ace if you had the guts to leave it alone.
    Lots of Love
    Vinegar (honey)
    PS Life is...

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  2. Oh now you pick and choose who is a feminist and who isn't in your eyes. You are one delusional hateful person. It's YOUR way or no way at all. Talk about delusional. Get a life and quit being such a bitter person.

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  3. Dirt is it massively stupid to bash women for bashing women.

    It's like hating dishonesty so much that you start stealing. Clearly you were never opposed to theft at all, what bugged you was that other people were getting away with theft.

    And I'm not sure what your point is, to claim that radfems have experienced more misogyny than others and are therefore expected to be more upset. Why get mad at a rape victim because she's upset at being raped? It's victim blaming, from a woman who claims to be opposed to victim blaming.

    Duh.

    m Andrea.

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  4. It's seriously questionable behavior to imply that radfeminism theories are wrong merely because some of the people devising those theories have suffered horrific abuse.

    Or expecting those women who have experienced horrific abuse to be competent enough and organized enough to go up against the most organized and persistent system on the planet.

    Why you would choose to hate on women who have been beaten down by an abusive system, rather than focus your attention on the abusive system who is beating them down, is a male centric attitude. It's the antitheses of loving women.

    m Andrea

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  5. Dirt, I never thought I'd say this, but this is an excellent post, and one that I would consider to have come from a committed activist. Feminism is WAY TOO IMPORTANT to be dragged down by those whose egos slip in to take the place of true commitment to the cause. If I were more paranoid, if I thought that the powers that be even gave a *shit* about feminism, I'd swear that some of these "feminists" are agent provocateurs of sorts - people paid to come in, take up alot of space, and discredit the movement with crazy behavior. Feminists getting publicity for sociopathic behavior play right in to the hands of those who would deny women rights based on their supposed lack of rationality.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with men *themselves*, and anyone who believes this is a) stupid and b) useless to a movement that exists within *this* society. Today. Here and now, people. If you want to go start a commune away from everything that challenges you, go ahead, but know that you take *yourself* with you, and that's all the challenge you'll ever need! Feminism is not about rich, white little Susie getting to placate her GIANT ego and never having to question herself. It's not about being right all the time. Throughout my years in the movement, I've come to see that people's monstrous instincts guide their actions and words with anger, so love never even gets a chance. If you truly love women and want the world to be a better place for ALL women, you will do what's necessary to make it so. I believe that means accepting the humanity and flaws of all people, accepting where we are at currently, instead of throwing your toys out of your pram because your ideal world doesn't exist for *you*. People, WAKE UP. It takes a much larger heart and soul to accept reality first, with the goal of slowly changing it. That means sometimes working with people that grate on us, come from a different point-of-view, challenge us to confront our own faults.

    I salute you Dirt. You can throw me under the bus because I'm trans if you want to, but it doesn't help anything.

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  6. "Why you would choose to hate on women who have been beaten down by an abusive system, rather than focus your attention on the abusive system who is beating them down, is a male centric attitude. It's the antitheses of loving women."

    Right m Andrea. Denying women their agency, refusing to hold women accountable for their words and actions, and constantly holding them paralyzed in the position of "victim". You do the work of the patriarchy for it! Good job! I had suspected that you were one of the useless ones.

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  7. Well, rather dissapointed to see Dirt repeating some of the nonsense that radfems tend to get from Mens Rights advocates, such as:

    "Another darling of modern radfems is Valerie Solanas.."

    Most radfems I know have never read the SCUM manifesto, and if they did, would just see it as a product of the times, by a woman with seriour mental health issues. NOT some sort of feminist bible to be taken literally, as the MRAs seem keen to imply.

    Ditto comments about Andrea Dworkin -- it's not a RELIGION you know, where you have to take EVERY word she ever wrote as gospel.

    Some other comments are interesting though:

    "There is nothing inherently wrong with men *themselves*"

    Well, I would, to be totally frank and honest, say this is an important question that at least needs to be ASKED and debated and answered, especially since so many people (i.e. men), think this holds true for WOMEN.

    Okay, there MAY not be anything inherently wrong with men, BUT men in this society and the structures present in this society aligned around SEX certainly keep telling us that WOMEN are wrong.

    Hating the oppressor is, after all sometimes a perfectly logical response. Except quite often, what 'hating' is supposed to consist of is defined BY men and used against women -- because how many of us as lesbians have ALSO been accused of being man-haters just for saying that! Think about WHY women are so scared of being labelled man-haters, before you start being so keen to berate other women for it.

    "Feminism's simple premise is about letting people be who they are." No it isn't. Feminism ain't humanism, or simple human-rights.

    I note though that NONE of this seems to be about what feminists are actually saying about the current structure of society (I.e., it's the patriarchy, stupid!), and what we should do about it, but instead is just a lame attempt to criticise feminism because of what some individual (famous or should that be infamous) feminists have supposedly done.


    But think about the fact that it's the radfems who are about the ONLY feminists prepared to stand up against the whole trans thing, and they're accused of HATING transwomen and being radscum etc when they do so. Excuse me, but can no one else see the pattern here? I don't HATE transwomen or transmen, I just disagree with the whole jenduh shite and the agony it leads to. Nor do I HATE individual men cos I'm a lesbian -- but I will admit I'm not best buddies with that many MEN, because of what society DOES to male human beings in the name of patriarchy. Nor do I think it is MY job to try and educate and SAVE the menz cos they can't HELP what the patriarchy does to them -- because folks, we have what the trans crowd is so keen to deny as well, the fact that BEING seen as male or being male in this society gives you a whole load of privilege and entitlement from day one. O dear, poor liddle menz, let me SAVE you by worrying about you all the damn time..........

    Shit, it's just that ANY women who says they are prepared to put WOMEN first gets labelled a man-hater -- or indeed, ANY women that DOESN'T agree to put men first get labelled a man-hater, so very sorry to see Dirt throwing the same accusation.

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  8. "It seems a bankrupt mind and a healthy hatred of men to be the two main requirements for modern radfems while feminism lies somewhere out of their sight."

    Dirt,

    You and I are finished for good. I've been a regular blogger for months. I WILL NEVER SUPPORT YOU AGAIN. DIRT, ARE YOU SAYING I HAVE A BANKRUPT MIND? NOTHING I HAVE EVER SAID ON YOUR BLOG HAS ANY MERIT WHATSOEVER BECAUSE I HAVE A BANKRUPT MIND.

    THEREFORE, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DELETE EVERY ONE OF MY POSTS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST THIS POST, BUT EVERY THING THAT I POSTED ON YOUR BLOG. I WILL BE PLEASED TO SHOW YOU WHICH THINGS I POSTED. MY POSTS CAN BE IDENTIFIED BECAUSE THEY ARE USUALLY LENGTHY AND CONTAIN A GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH.

    By the way, Sheila Jeffreys was talking about FTMs in 2003. What the heck have you done?

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  9. "Nor do I think it is MY job to try and educate and SAVE the menz cos they can't HELP what the patriarchy does to them -- because folks, we have what the trans crowd is so keen to deny as well, the fact that BEING seen as male or being male in this society gives you a whole load of privilege and entitlement from day one. O dear, poor liddle menz, let me SAVE you by worrying about you all the damn time.........."

    I've never even met a transman who denies he has male privilege. Literally *never*. But I've seen plenty of "radical" lesbian feminists conveniently ignore race and class oppression when they happen to occupy the top categories of those heirarchies. I guess they don't feel obligated to account for their own privilege. Why? Because the world ruined them. Because they once got called a dyke while walking down the street, they never have to think, grow, be challenged, take responsibility, or address the inequities they themselves perpetuate. You ladies got the green light your intrinsically weak character was waiting for all along when you got oppressed. Fix yourselves.


    Transmen are under a microscope, while lesbians are feeling so sorry for themselves that they literally cannot see how other people hurt. Stay at Michfest all year please! Meanwhile the rest of actually try to fix the world. We don't need a bunch adult babies clouding the situation with myopic, identity-based smoke screens. If you are just concerned with liberating *yourself* and your friends, then you've played right into the hands of those who would weaken us all by making us hate each other. If you can't see that, then maybe you are not smart enough to be a part of any movement for social change. You'd be better off as a CEO, or maybe a stock broker, for how much you ACTUALLY give a shit about anyone but yourself.

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  10. "Dirt,

    You and I are finished for good."

    Gosh. For once Dirt speaks the truth, even when it might not be easy to hear, and everyone gets all personally butt-hurt. Why so tender ladies? Is feminism not strong enough to withstand a little constructive criticism?

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  11. Damn all this feminist talk is making my head hurt. Ima go watch Southpark.

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  12. Is feminism not strong enough to withstand a little constructive criticism?

    Lol, you seriously consider Dirt's blog to be constructive or critical? Who the hell quotes Fish lyrics when discussing serious issues?

    Wait... Maybe it's Fish that's the serious issue... Or Dirt herself! All I picked up from her post was that she's officially declared her hatred for the entire spectrum of human beings from Chimpanae to Chimpanezee. Excluding herself of course... Because her logic is so flawless she's 100% infallible! Such perfection! Being so perfect, it really does fit wonderfully with her Messiah Complex. Perhaps she's willing to take on all of our sins and save us from our terrible fate!

    I'm reaching out to you here Dirt. You've opened my eyes to my wicked ways. Save me from my miserable life. I'm too confused to do it for myself. And if I can't be save myself, how can I possibly save all of woman-kind!

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  13. @Anon @7:53 PM

    Dirt needs some serious therapy for her delusions. She "thinks" she better than anybody else. She even "thinks" she's better than any other feminist in the world. Too much alcohol and too much time on her hands.

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  14. Dirt, I am impressed because of all the things that keep me from agreeing 100% with your posts, I felt like one of the main issues was an over simplification of 'blame men' kind of thinking. I really never cared to comment because I didn't think it was necessary. So I'm glad to read this. Even if your stances on the root causes of misoginy and homophobia are (as in may be) wrong, it doesn't affect your arguments on how this trans obsession is ruining people, and the role of self deprication and body image distortion implied in this "this is not my body" discourse. Let me say, one does not really have to agree with you in terms of the validity of transgenderism to realize that medical institutions are being illogical [1. gender is a cultural construct that has nothing to do with sex; 2. gender disforia is not a disorder; 3. if someone has gender disforia (which is not a disorder, and has nothing to do with sex), then that person needs to have their sexual organs altered and take synthetic hormones that will fuck them up and give them cancer] - not only this is crazy, but what worries me, is that this identity nonsense does not even consider trying to help someone live how they wanna live, and feel happy living in the wonderful gifts we call our bodies. I don't even care about pronouns, use whatever you want to use, but be happy in your body! you can't buy a body! you can't buy a sex!

    keep it up!

    Btw, I'm a gay male recently called out on my latent transphobia due to not acknowledging "men with pussies" to be of my sexual interests. It's so fascinating! fought all my life for the right to like, touch, suck cock, and now I end up being harrassed by 'queer' psychopaths behaving like your average homophobe! :P

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  15. "You ladies got the green light your intrinsically weak character was waiting for all along when you got oppressed. Fix yourselves."

    First, why assume I was just talking about female trans and their 'male privilege', male trans are rather unwilling to admit that their male upbringing gave them any privilege.

    The quote above though shows the typically individualistic sort of arguments you get from the trans crowd. Thwe whole POINT about feminism is when women realise that it's NOT their own personal 'lack of character' or some innate biological issue that means they get treated like shit, but the system, based on their membership of a particular biological sex.

    "Transmen are under a microscope, while lesbians are feeling so sorry for themselves that they literally cannot see how other people hurt." Same ole oppression olympics. The point about female trans is that their problems arise from the SAME thing that feminists are talking about (they are members of the female sex), which is what has been said on here repeatedly.

    "one of the main issues was an over simplification of 'blame men' kind of thinking." Except you've just over-simplified it yourself............

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  16. " Is feminism not strong enough to withstand a little constructive criticism? "

    Except an obsession with personalities and certain women rather than ideology isn't constructive criticism. Plus these supposed mentally-ill radfem icons that Dirt seems to disdain aren't actually of that much INTEREST to most radfems I know. Ideology is what matters, not personalities, so criticise THAT if you want to criticise radical feminism, else all you're doing is taking the personal troubles of some women who are supposedly either radfems or radfems 'icons', and then projecting that onto women who are radical feminists not because of these supposed celebrity radfems, or academic radfems, but because of the ideology.

    Yet damn little said about that, apart from the tired-ole radfems are radical (lesbian) man-haters and that's not NICE or FAIR to the menz, so they're BAD (and possibly MAD) women.............

    Yeah, right, I'm SO convinced, and will now go out and ceremoniously burn every page of radfem holy writ that I own................

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  17. There's a lot of clique-ishness in "radical" organizations, and this is to their detriment. They're not going to attract people to their cause if they act like a private club.

    As for mental illness, about one out of four people in our society has a diagnosable mental health disorder in any given year, although only a third of those receive any form of treatment. The stigma around this needs to go away. Personally, I think our society is so dysfunctional that it triggers depression, anxiety, substance abuse, and other mental health issues. Add to this the poor quality of nutrition today and environmental pollution, and it's a wonder that even more people aren't sick.

    I think feminism needs to return to its roots of fighting sex role stereotypes, recognizing that women are an oppressed group, and changing society from patriarchal values (war, greed, male-centric religion, etc.) to a more egalitarian society.

    I believe that the trans issue is connected to a continuing belief in sex role stereotypes: pink for girls and blue for boys, and all that nonsense. Why in 2012 do people still believe that personality and individual preferences should be determined by your genitalia or secondary sex characteristics?

    As for feminist writers and philosophers, I have found that I am unlikely to agree 100% with any given individual, so I try to recognize their valid points, as well as the parts I don't happen to agree with. It's rare that I agree with anyone 100%.

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  18. I've always enjoyed Andrea Dworkin's work and I don't give a damn what she looked like, or if she had a few manic episodes.

    As a fifteen year-old girl I treasured her courage and keen observations on gender inequality. Now, I've always found her tone to be soft and thoughtful, never cruel or hateful as you insist.

    "Intercourse" was so daring and provocative that it rivals anything that Gore Vidal has written, IMHO. It is vastly entertaining, and I mean that in a good way. Ms. Dworkin certainly had a way with words, bless her soul, as she did aspire to be a great writer, not just a media personality.
    Andrea Dworkin backed up her claims with genuine talent and a unique personality. It's a shame that most of America will not recognize that.

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  19. Personalities werent criticized, politics were, or lack thereof.

    dirt

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  20. @Dirt: I didn't realize mental illness was a form of politics.

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  21. Than you are completely ignorant of the Male Medical Machine.

    dirt

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  22. "The Male medical machine" is just a term you came up with. You and your delusional brain!

    Drink some booze for me!

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  23. "Feminist bloggers are speaking with the tongues of ALL those dead feminist before us whose voices HIS-story has aggressively tried to erase. We are not only challenging the Gender Straight Jacketed status quo, we are changing it, one blog post at a time!" This post doesn't do it.

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  24. The MMM is a term that encompasses centuries of systematic medical misogyny, hardly something I made up. While I understand history can be intimidating to many, I suggest you get over your fears, do your own research.

    dirt

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  25. @ Dirt: Research around the Male Medical Machine results in this fact: You made the term up. Unless, of course, you can provide evidence to suggest otherwise.

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  26. A feminist is a feminist Dirt. We should support them.

    With the whole Transinsanity going on where they want to pick when they want to be female or male (The FtM's get horribly upset if you use she EXCEPT when they want to use a female bathroom! Except when they have to go to prison! They will fight tooth and nail not to go to a male prison! They're not fighting for that right are they as a 'man' are they? Truth is as much as they say they 'want to be men' and females are 'being hysterical' about female only spaces, they soon change their tune when THEIR safety is threatened!!

    The truth is all Trans regardless of birth sex are fighting for the right to invade women spaces. They don't want to be around men only places any more than females do. BOTH MtF and Ftm fight with women constantly because NONE of them feels safe in men's spaces. Their hypocrisy is astounding at name-calling females concerned about safety!

    My point is that, that this hypocrisy of calling females misogynistic insults, but by their actions showing THEY are concerned about male only spaces too (like prison), it will switch more women onto feminism that ever before.

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  27. There is nothing on the internet about this so called, "Male medical maachine"...except for your nonsense that is.

    I don't fear any radfem. All the hate you and the rest of the radfems spew and obsess over is only cause you to have a heart attack or maybe ulcers, strokes, or God knows what else. There's more to life than to carry so much hate and contempt. Get a life!

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  28. I am left wondering how the trans thing comes into the coments. The post only makes mention of trans peripherialy. The main point was how some seriously mentaly disturbed women have become the paragons of the rad-fem movement and how those in the rad-fem movement live in an echo-chamber of male hate.

    I understand that the main focus of this blog is anti-transition, specificaly anti FTM transition but that was not the focus of this piece. Occasionaly our host likes to focus on feminist and lesbian topics. This was one of those posts.

    If I divorce how I feel about Lynns writing on FTM topics and just look at this essay on its' own merits: I must say this was a good piece that says it like it is.

    Let's just all stop for a minute and think about the greater goal we all want and forget the trans thing for a minute...
    We want rights for all of us under the rainbow. Gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, none of us should have to suffer blows from a bigot or be denied basic services or work.
    We will not be able to get this by infighting and rehashing the same old arguments. Niether side is going to give ground on trans. But we all can give ground on the 'we all are human and deserve rights' statement?
    I hope so...

    back on topic:
    Men are the cause of many (most) of this worlds social ills. We can not deny this. However shuting yourself off from all male contact, insisting all PIV sex is rape, and rehashing horror stories in a private circle of haters is not going to solve a thing. The rad-fems are a problem for the lesbian comunity. A bit of a liability to be honest. They embody the worst of the lesbian stereotypes of the 'man hateing dyke.'
    Most of the women I have known over the years that are lesbian are not man haters or rad-fems. I have known a few, but not for long as I try and avoid that level of disfuncton. All of the lesbians I know are lesbians because they love women, not because they hate men. That is an important qualifier. Dworkin claiming to be a lesbian inspite being married to a man AFTER she came out as lesbian is certainly suspect. The woman was bisexual at best and most likely hetero all along. Being lesbian suited her goals and got her a certain amount of status in some circles. As for Solanas, yeah what a piece of work. Just google SCUM manifesto if you haven't heard of her. I literaly was incapable of finishing it. I got about halfway through and had to walk away and take some malox. For reals...

    Anyways....
    This was a good post for the most part. You made a good point that I think has alot of validity.

    Looking forward to your next non trans related post.
    ;)

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  29. With the whole Transinsanity going on where they want to pick when they want to be female or male (The FtM's get horribly upset if you use she EXCEPT when they want to use a female bathroom! Except when they have to go to prison! They will fight tooth and nail not to go to a male prison! They're not fighting for that right are they as a 'man' are they? Truth is as much as they say they 'want to be men' and females are 'being hysterical' about female only spaces, they soon change their tune when THEIR safety is threatened!!


    I am not nor have I ever been afraid to use the men's bathroom. I have been using the men's room all of my life. I've gotten suspended from school many times in the 80's for using the men's room.

    I never picked when I wanted to be male or female. True, biologically I am female but I live 100% as a man and have for many many years.

    Your opinion of FTM's is that and that alone. Like an asshole, everyone has one!

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  30. "RadFem-The Absence of Feminism-The Presence of Psychosis"

    You sure have a way with words dirt. This is a hilarious and pretty accurate statement.

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  31. That was a very woman-hating post, Dirt. You have not only invalidated radical feminist thought but the thought of every one who ever dared to be mentally ill while politically critical. Go pat yourself on the back for your progressiveness.

    I would also like to congratulate a whole bunch of people of separating themselves from us because, frankly speaking, that means we have even less to lose. Oops.

    Think about it.

    Signed,
    an unapologetic, mentally ill feminist who will stand by her sisters and not sell out because we are a "liability"

    Have a lot of success in your quest to become socially acceptable and a good little oppressor just like the rest. May you get what you want and so much more.

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  32. Dirt, I'm not a radfem and my main gripe is their ideas about political lesbianism and seperatism. Your criticism focussed on things that seem strange to me - that its members are immersed in social networking and some of the founders were mentally ill. I'm not down with those type of attacks and I don't see them being specific to radical feminism. Radical feminisms purpose is quoted to be: 'liberating females from the patriarchy' and I'd interested to hear how their methods are failing to deliver and how you think that goal could be better achieved, rather than personal attacks on a few people.

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  33. MNDR,

    This post is specific and specifically directed, that only a small few know whats going on behind this post and the scenes perhaps is a disservice for most of my readers, but I strongly feel it needed to be said.

    Feminism no matter what branch IS more than tweets!

    dirt

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  34. "Dirt, I'm not a radfem and my main gripe is their ideas about political lesbianism and seperatism."

    Not all radfems are separatists, and political lesbianiam hasn't been discussed for a while, although the Leeds pamphlet seems to have been revamped.

    Stop presenting radfems as some sort of monolithic 'other', with some standard response as regards the above.

    Perhaps this message needs a radfem 101, as to what radical feminism IS, rather than some people just cherry-picking the few ideas that they don't like that some supposed radfem came out with...................

    ""The Male medical machine" is just a term you came up with."
    Damn, what wrong with THAT, makes it sound like having a concept and namintg it is disallowed. Anyone who wants to learn about the effects that male-dominated medicine has had on women, and is continuing to have, just needs to go look.

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  35. "That was a very woman-hating post, Dirt."

    There's a lot of woman-hating, disrespect and mistrust going on in radfeminism if you're not "in" with whatever person or group or don't parrot every single thought/stance of theirs and dare try to explore and discuss or disagree with something; if you do, you're assumed to be a man or a troll & even more hate is flung your way.

    It's weird and hurtful and disappointing to those of us who love women and want to be part of a sisterhood and make things better for ourselves and eachother.

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  36. "Dworkin was grossly over weight and unkempt...trying to make herself as unattractive to the male gaze as possible."

    You sound like the patriarchy and its GSJ you rail against, dirt. I do agree with the majority of your post, but not this part.

    Consider your able-bodied self lucky and hope to GOD (or whatever) you never have to face serious illness that can and WILL rob you of your life and body.

    People can gain weight from ILLNESS, with no control over what happens to their body -- they can almost eat nothing yet gain much weight (I've seen this happen). Dworkin was ill, as are many of our sisters, from the trauma inflicted on them by this culture. Why add insult to injury by shaming the side effects of trauma?

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  37. Pointing out facts isnt identifying with patriarchy. In Dworkin's day, females of early sexual abuse statistically did put on excessive weight in order to keep a distance from people in general and keep the male gaze off them, today they just transition.

    dirt

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  38. You have a point dirt. For SOME, putting on weight, going on T, falling into addictions, etc., are ways of coping with and rejecting/dealing with the cultural constraints inflicted on us.

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  39. "There's a lot of woman-hating, disrespect and mistrust going on in radfeminism if you're not "in" with whatever person or group or don't parrot every single thought/stance of theirs and dare try to explore and discuss or disagree with something; "

    Might I suggest that rather than believe random posts on here, or get into issues of Andrea Dworkin and her personal grooming.....

    No, seriously folks, since when has being 'unkempt' been such a crime, unless it's in male eyes, where a refusal to wear make-up and pretty dresses gets you labelled as unkempt, and commiting the prime female sin of not realising that your appearance as a woman is the MOST important thing about you. Other sites describe her as: "overweighted, unkempt and horrifically unaesthetic", and so on.

    This whole idea that "trying to make herself as unattractive to the male gaze as possible" is utter crap, since I suggest that Andrea Dworkin of all people knew that rape and sexual abuse had nothing to do with physical appearance.

    "Dworkin was grossly over weight and unkempt" -- when I met her, I was heavier than she was, and I didn't see that she was particularly 'unkempt', or no more so than a whole load of other feminists present. This sort of comment realy sticks in my throat, because the voice in my head keeps asking, WHY the fuck is it supposed to matter so much? WHY is daring to look 'unkempt' seen as such a reliable sign of 'mental illness' in women.

    Just looks like a cheap shot from Dirt, til she ends up almost repeating the fat, ugly, unkempt man-hating feminist jibes we usually hear from men. The FACTS are YOUR interpretation of her appearance. I never thought she was that fat, I'm heavier than her, and I'm not a victim of sexual abuse.

    Anyway, back to FACTS, and I suggest anyone with a modicum of integrity goes and looks at some radfem writings and websites, rather than just falling for this nonsense.

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  40. This post reminds me alot of "Second-wave feminism is dying (slowly)" article on http://www.avoiceformen.com

    and this was posted two days after that article.

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  41. Well, I read that article, and find it very depressing. Seems to be, forget about the actual position of women both historically, and across the current world, don't BLAME the men, pretend that the systematic oppression of women across time and space DOESN'T EXIST (or at least, isn't anyones fault).........

    After all it WASN'T feminists who invented the concept of the patriarchy, they just pointed out that it was still up and running............


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  42. Dirt it seems that you've confused radfems with the funfems who want things both ways. I also know that there are people out there who pretend to be radfems and talking shit in our names. Perhaps those are the ones you've confused us with. At any rate if you haven't read the books or writings of the early feminists you shouldn't be talking against them.

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  43. I'm well versed in all feminist writings and am hardly speaking of "funfems", unless you consider Dworkin and her current followers "funfems"?

    dirt

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  44. I read the ""Second-wave feminism is dying (slowly)" article on http://www.avoiceformen.com and found it refreshing and inspiring.

    I personally like the values of postcolonial feminism, though I think the name is inaccurate since we are nowhere near living in "post" colonial times.

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  45. " though I think the name is inaccurate since we are nowhere near living in "post" colonial times."

    ...........and we're nowhere near living in post-patriarchal times either.

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  46. Dirt,

    You do too much good work to say such things about wonderful feminist women. Dworkin's work has literally saved lives; she has also inspired many women and men to change their relationship to the dominant sexual order.

    Fat men don't get attacked for being fat the way fat women do. The fact that Andrea Dworkin's appearance became such a big part of who she was is about her being a woman, a woman-identified woman, not about people being concerned for her health.

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  47. I clearly didnt attack dworkin and I certainly do not use "fat" as an insult. Please read before you react.

    dirt

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