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Friday, September 14, 2012

Body Dysphoria Issues-Which are you Okay with?

Women suffering from anorexia who have gastric bypass or lapband procedures to more comfortably starve themselves into ultimate thinness so they can feel better about themselves? Would you be okay with this? If not why?

Those suffering from BIID (body integrity identity disorder) having healthy limbs such as an arm/s or leg/s surgically removed so they can feel more comfortable in their body? Would you be okay with this? If not why?

Females suffering from GID (gender identity disorder) having their healthy breast removed and/or vagina's surgically closed/altered in order to feel more comfortably in their body. Would you be okay with this? If not why?

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  1. I thought you had to be over a certain weight to get a lapband or gastric bypass. I also thought there were strong gatekeeping mechanisms in place to try and stop people from seeking amputation of limbs. Both of these conditions can lead to disability. No trans person I know wants any functioning *limb* removed, or to wreck their health through starvation. Last time I checked, a person couldn't type or operate heavy equipment using their mammaries. We generally function as more productive members of society, rather than less. Conflating these issues, when the motications and outcomes are so very different is just obtuse. You seem to be running out of material.

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  2. great questions. Right to the point.

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  3. I think that people with psychological/psychiatric problems should receive psychological treatment such as counseling therapy, not unnecessary surgical procedures.

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  4. The first example doesn't make much sense, anorexic people tend to not eat, so a gastric band or bypass would seem kind of pointless since they are not eating enough to beguine with.
    If they were eating enough to fill themselves up even with a gastric band then they would probably be gaining weight...
    but as far as i know, such procedures are only available to people with stomach conditions or those who are obese.

    BIID
    I would generally be apposed to people removing healthy limbs as this would make them dependent on others or the state (disabled)
    But people with this condition do sometimes resort to removing the limbs themselves so not offering the procedure means they might just grab a saw and do it themselves.
    So that is a bit of a gray area for me i guess it depends on the individual and if they have attempted to remove limbs themselves and if they might again in the future.

    The last is a little misleading as it isn't so much removal and closing as it is reconstruction.

    for FTMs it isn't losing breasts and sewing up the vagina, it is gaining a chest and a phallus.

    I believe these things fall in to the realm of body modification and thus should be legal.

    So the first 2 examples will inevitably leave the person dead or disabled as a result but the 3rd example is just a matter of body modification.

    Men have the right to remove their breast tissue and to alter the shape of their genitals and even to remove the foreskin (currently women have the right to force this procedure on babies!)

    As someone who believes in equality of the sexes, I believe women should have the same rights.

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  5. "So that is a bit of a gray area for me i guess it depends on the individual and if they have attempted to remove limbs themselves and if they might again in the future."

    Agreed on that point. I think if someone is already dependant on the medical industry for psych meds to prevent suicide or self harm thats the stage when alternative 'experimental' options might be considered. *under the strictest supervision*. I say experimental because theres no evidence of surgery being a permanent cure for a psychiatric problem.

    "for FTMs it isn't losing breasts and sewing up the vagina, it is gaining a chest and a phallus."

    Heres the problem: all the euphemisms in the world dont change the fact that hysterectomy removes part of the endocrine system and mastectomy damages part of the lymphatic system. Both can result in disabling conditions and make that person dependant on the medical industry for life. Therefore I think transition should be treated like surgery for BIID cases. i.e. as a palliative measure not as body modification.

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  6. "for FTMs it isn't losing breasts and sewing up the vagina, it is gaining a chest and a phallus.

    I believe these things fall in to the realm of body modification and thus should be legal."

    Perhaps people need to read the statement above carefully and examine how women have been viewed throughout history. Women need to hear this. This is how they really think of females. I mean carefully think this through before sewing up vaginas. I've always said that there might be a few rare individuals who are gender dysphoric and might benefit from "transitioning" (surgery, testosterone). However, I question about 90% of what I've observed, and it's very disturbing to me. We cannot completely separate females from their culture. If misogyny didn't exist, and if there was full and complete equality between the sexes, then I would be more willing to accept this twisted logic of extreme"body modification" of female genitals. Women are devalued even in industrialized countries. So, what does this mean? The surgical erasing, or scraping away of healthy female genitals has a history, and as we know the history hasn't been very kind. Indeed, it's often been brutal and barbaric. The surgical erasing of female identity can be considered an ethical issue of profound importance.

    I suppose female genital mutilation would fall under the broad category of "body modification". The WHO estimates that 100–140 million women and girls around the world have experienced the procedure, including 92 million in Africa. The horrific practice of breast ironing could also fall under the category of "body modification" too.

    Doesn't the above statement assume that all the following exists in every female who "transitions":

    (1.) No woman will ever live to regret having her vagina sewn shut or having painful multiple surgeries to surgically scrape away every inch of her female identity.

    (2.) Culture, family,or peer pressure play no role whatsoever in the "body modification" of females and their genitals.

    (3.) All humans are capable of making rational decisions, and are fully aware of all the risks associated with any decision.

    (4.) All surgeons come highly qualified and are equally skilled.


    I'm also confused as to the vagina being sewn shut. How many transmen have hysterectomies before they get their vaginas sewn shut? A lot of transmen still have their ovaries and uterus when they first start taking testosterone. If the vagina is sewn shut, where does the menstrual blood flow. If a transman still has "his" ovaries and uterus, can't he still spot occasionally even on testosterone? Where does the blood go if the vagina is completely sewn shut?

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  7. "for FTMs it isn't losing breasts and sewing up the vagina, it is gaining a chest and a phallus.


    I believe these things fall in to the realm of body modification and thus should be legal."

    The above statement makes it sound like the surgical removal of both healthy breasts on a female is something akin to getting one's ears pierced. It's a simple procedure to turn female breasts into a male chest, and it comes with no pain or scarring. This is major surgery, and occassionally people die in surgery. Why do females even have breasts? Why not simply surgically lop off the breasts of all females? Human females like all primates have breasts. Breasts can be erotic, and they are the best food for babies. Contrary to what some think, they do serve a purpose. Why is it that in the year 2012 scientists still can't come up with food for infants that is nutritious as breast milk? Apart from being more nutritious than formula for infants, the breast secretions also ensures that the newborn has a significant amount of immunological protection. This is in the form of maternal antibodies, chemical mediators, vitamins and enzymes. These immune components augments the infant’s immature immune system and provides protection against infections. It also prevents certain allergies and autoimmune diseases to some extent.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) strongly recommends exclusive breastfeeding for the first six months of life and that breastfeeding continue for at least 12 months. It is optimal for both babies and mothers. For babies it can protect against infections and reduce the rates of later health problems including diabetes, obesity, and asthma. For mothers breastfeeding helps the uterus to contract and bleeding to cease more quickly after delivery. Breastfeeding can reduce the risk of breast and ovarian cancer and also provides a great way for mothers to bond with their babies.

    This individual seems to think that surgeons can quickly create a phallus on a biological female. Doctors can whip out a phallus in no time, and just stick it on a female. It's not as easy as it seems.

    "It is important to note that most phalloplasty procedures require multiple surgical visits as well as some revisions. The procedures can involve pain and discomfort, require significant recovery time, and often leave large areas of visible scarring. Because of the nature of using skin grafts, there is always a risk of tissue death and loss of part or all of the penis. Other potential complications include the extrusion of testicular or penile implants, the formation of a stricture (an abnormal narrowing; blockage) or fistula (an abnormal connection; leakage) in the newly constructed urethral passage, and infection. There may also be damage to the nerves of the donor area, resulting in numbness or loss of function. Erotic sensation may be changed or diminished. And the results may not be as aesthetically pleasing as one might like them to be. Also, one must consider the usual risks of any surgery, including bleeding, infection, problems from anesthesia, blood clots, or death (rare).

    Phalloplasty procedures also tend to be very expensive (between $50,000 to $150,000) and are often not covered by insurance.”

    http://www.ftmguide.org/grs.html#phallo

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  8. "for FTMs it isn't losing breasts and sewing up the vagina, it is gaining a chest and a phallus.


    I believe these things fall in to the realm of body modification and thus should be legal."


    There is a reason why many transmen opt out of "bottom surgery".

    Risks/complications of metaidoioplasty and phalloplastyPossible complications specific to metaidoioplasty without urethral lengthening include:


    • dissatisfaction with the length of the penis (shorter than expected)


    • change in sensation: loss of sensation, persistent tenderness, or hypersensitivity


    • temporary or permanent narrowing of the vaginal opening, making penetration difficult

    • change in urine spray, resulting in splashing of the labia and vaginal skin

    Possible complications specific to urethral lengthening include:

    * urethral fistula: opening between the urethra and the skin, leading to leakage of urine (very common: occurs in around 45% of phalloplasties)


    * partial or total death of the tissue used to create the new urethra

    * narrowing or closure of the new urethra

    * hair growth in the urethra (from hair-bearing tissue used as urethral lining)

    Phalloplasty includes all the possible complications of urethral lengthening as well as possible:

    * partial or total death of the tissue used to create the new penis

    * numbness or hypersensitivity of the skin of the penis

    * decreased sexual sensation, possibly with decreased ability to have orgasm


    * compromised sensation and/or function of the hand and wrist of the donor arm (approximately 5% of patients need a long period of physiotherapy to recover fully)

    * dissatisfaction with the size or shape of the penis


    * excessive scarring in the donor sites (arm/thigh)

    http://transhealth.vch.ca/resources/library/tcpdocs/consumer/surgery-FTM.pdf






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  9. "You seem to be running out of material"

    When it comes to how females feel about their bodies, it seems as if we never run out of material.

    Why do high school and college age women starve themselves to look thin?

    *91% of women surveyed on a college campus had attempted to control their weight through dieting. 22% dieted “often” or “always.”
    • 86% report onset of eating disorder by age 20; 43% report onset between ages of 16 and 20.
    • Anorexia is the third most common chronic illness among adolescents.
    • 95% of those who have eating disorders are between the ages of 12 and 25.
    • 25% of college-aged women engage in bingeing and purging as a weight-management technique.
    • The mortality rate associated with anorexia nervosa is 12 times higher than the death rate associated with all causes of death for females 15-24 years old.
    • Over one-half of teenage girls and nearly one-third of teenage boys use unhealthy weight control behaviors such as skipping meals, fasting, smoking cigarettes, vomiting, and taking laxatives.
    • In a survey of 185 female students on a college campus, 58% felt pressure to be a certain weight, and of the 83% that dieted for weight loss, 44% were of normal weight.

    Women are much more likely than men to develop an eating disorder. Only an estimated 5 to 15 percent of people with anorexia or bulimia are male.

    Why do most women still feel so uncomfortable with their bodies?

    "Half of all women - including some girls as young as 17 - would consider plastic surgery, a survey has revealed.

    And nearly a third of women who are a size 12 believe they are overweight or fat, according to the poll of nearly 25,000 people."


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-437288/Half-women-want-plastic-surgery.html#ixzz26ZrZ9RZa

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  10. "The above statement makes it sound like the surgical removal of both healthy breasts on a female is something akin to getting one's ears pierced"

    How? many forms of body modification are surgeries that come with risk of unsatisfactory results, injury and even death.
    I believe I saw online a video by a women who had a face lift and now struggles to breath and swallow without discomfort and pain.

    "Why do females even have breasts? Why not simply surgically lop off the breasts of all females?"
    because that would be senseless... I'm not entierly sure what point you were trying to make here.

    "This individual seems to think that surgeons can quickly create a phallus on a biological female. Doctors can whip out a phallus in no time, and just stick it on a female. It's not as easy as it seems"

    Do I? how did you come to that conclusion? I am very aware that these are major surgeries, but I don't think that really puts them outside of the realm of body modification.

    I suggest you stop building strawmen and just debate what I actually said rather than making assumptions.


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  11. "Heres the problem: all the euphemisms in the world dont change the fact that hysterectomy removes part of the endocrine system and mastectomy damages part of the lymphatic system. Both can result in disabling conditions and make that person dependant on the medical industry for life. Therefore I think transition should be treated like surgery for BIID cases. i.e. as a palliative measure not as body modification"

    But clearly the motives of the individual seeking surgery is important not only to the medical community but to you and most the people who read this blog.

    With people pushing the boundaries of body modification every day, is it not important to understand the reasons the individual is seeking these surgeries?
    For FTMs, the reason they have these surgeries is not for the same reason someone with BIID seeks to have their limbs removed.
    So it is important to note that FTMs are looking to gain a chest rather than to just remove their breasts.

    I want to just note that I wouldn't have labeled hysterectomies as a body modification, but there are health benefits to a hysterectomy for someone who receives testosterone and of course those who want genital surgeries.
    So again, there are reasons for these surgeries that are irrelevant to those sought out by those with BIID.

    "Therefore I think transition should be treated like surgery for BIID cases"
    Well I would say such surgeries to those with BIID should only be available under the most extreme of cases, when you are seriously worried that this person may look for alternative methods to amputate their legs.

    with holding transitional surgeries in the same way seems rather extreme, can you draw a line when a person can or can not alter their body surgically for cosmetic reasons?

    many cosmetic surgeries come with risks, many life style choices come with risks, so what makes chest reconstruction so different?

    surely you can see the difference between a possible risk and a 100% guaranteed outcome of disabling someone via cutting off one of their limbs.

    I believe trans people should receive counseling and psychological assessments and I think others receiving cosmetic surgeries might benefit from the same treatment, but how much do you want the government to intervene in what you can and can not do with your body?

    And in a world where people are stretching their lips beyond function, slitting their penises in half, and cutting off their nipples in the name of body modification, where do you draw the line?

    I can understand your worries about people jeopardizing their health, but people put themselves at risk of illness and injury every day, Just the other day a girl on my yard fell off her horse which landed its hoof in to her rib cage and broke 4 ribs, its a risk she takes, but she is already back on the yard.

    I think trans people take risks like alot of people take risks, I don't deny that risks are there, but life is full of risks.












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  12. If the worst of misogyny were eradicated, then no one would develop the trans disorder thereby eliminating one clear unhealthy and potentially deadly risk.

    dirt

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  13. Are FTM people really getting their vaginas sewn shut?? I've done a lot of research on trans and have many FTM friends, and I have never yet heard of this.

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  14. uh, they don't sew shut the vagina. it's surgically very difficult to do so most of the time, they don't do that, but construct a "penis" from the clitoris or take skin from the arm and make a "penis" from that, but leave the vagina (the opening) as it was, they just have to learn to live with that being there. anyway, i don't see much of a difference chopping of your leg or chopping of your tits. you do both because of a psychological condition which probably would be treated better with therapy and medications.

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  15. "but she is already back on the yard" oops I was mistaken, I was told she was back put shes actually still in hospital, turned out she fractured her spleen aswell, nasty.

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  16. "So it is important to note that FTMs are looking to gain a chest rather than to just remove their breasts."

    Look at the attempted verbal sleight of hand here! WHAT is there about this supposed 'chest' that is anything other than 'lack of breasts' Men have pectoral muscles, so do women. Nipples, check. Hence this supposed chest gained is ONLY breasts removed in terms of the actual surgery.

    Yep, and there may be health benefits to a hysterectomy, but that just ognores the same ole elephant in the room, in that you have thereby rendered someone sterile, something that surgeons normally try to avoid.

    Surgical mutilation in terms of removal of healthy organs, and surgical sterilzation in terms of removal or healthy uteri (or at least, uteri that would have been perfectly healthy if you hadn't first added T to the mix.).

    However hard you try, this is a whole lot more than bodily modification, since even the WORST plastic surgery butcher won't actually REMOVE your face, or nose, even if their attempts do so seriously reduce their functionality.

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  17. Dirt, have you seen this?

    http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2012/08/dreger-fetal-engineering.html

    Dangerous Experiment in Fetal Engineering

    Report: risky prenatal use of steroid to try to prevent intersex, tomboys and lesbians

    I was on similar drugs for much of my childhood, and I'm still struggling with some of the side effects.

    -Mary

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