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Monday, August 6, 2012

Transman Refuses to Pay for Hysto-Files Human Rights Violation Instead

A few years ago a trans female in Nova Scotia was having abdominal pains, she went for a check up and her doctor found out that she had "a small uterus and she could feel multiple polyps". How much years testosterone use has had on harming her uterus and creating those polyps (pcos?) is unknown. But there is enough in the medical literature to safely assume a clear correlation  between her female troubles and her injecting high quantities of testosterone. The treatment for her issues was estrogen therapy, which she out right refused, her only other option was to have a hysterectomy. She apparently had other female relatives, including her mother who have had trouble with their "female parts", which makes me wonder was this family history disclosed to the doctors who originally began her on testosterone. Were that info known, I find it difficult to believe ANY doctor could ethically prescribe testosterone to a female who has a family history of uterine trouble when testosterone can increase the risk of uterine/ovarian issues in women who have no family history at all.

She received a hysto, which her medical insurance did not cover since she could have had proper non invasive surgery treatment with the use of estrogen therapy. After getting a bill for $3400 dollars for the surgery she refused to pay and has since filed a Human Rights Violation. This is not only outlandish, it is an abuse of the time, money and energy that Human Rights groups could be spending on those truly in need! She had an option, something which millions that Human Rights groups seek to help, have none. And it is these demands for "special rights" by the Trans Politic that so often get attributed to gay and lesbians when we fight for EQUAL rights! There are countless medical issues that millions may prefer but instead must settle for a less than satisfying treatment because their insurance doesnt cover them. Some of us ourselves have had to make these same difficult choices or know loves ones who have. It isnt fair, but we make the most of it without abusing systems working to stop human trafficking or halt the gutting of womens rights etc.

Regardless of whatever distress this young woman may feel about her body, she has NO right to distress Human Rights systems with her angry selfishness.

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  1. OUTRAGEOUS!

    ...except Canada covers transsexual transition and hysterectomies and he pays for that socialized medicine as any other Canadian citizen does. So why should he pay for this surgery when other Canadian transmen have it covered by national health care? The fact that they gave him a choice between re-feminizing himself or paying for surgery seems like a clear-cut case of discrimination and an abuse of an established medical care system.

    Beyond that, how do you expect to weigh in on another county's nationalized health care system and how it is used by its citizens? You would prefer to focus on how ONE Canadian approaches the system he pays into rather than how we could have socialized medicine here in your country? How fucked are your priorities? You have absolutely no stake in this, and the fact that you spend your day searching for news of transmen is just so. incredibly. pathetic.

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  2. According to a Canadian newspaper,

    "Several women in his family, including his mother, had hysterectomies before they turned 30."

    This statement is most interesting to me. We are talking about "his" uterus and "his" hysterectomy. This is how far we've gone down this strange and surreal road of trans fantasy land. Twenty or thirty years ago anyone speaking so nonchalantly about "his" uterus and "his" hysterectomy would be assumed to be a tad unhinged.

    Question:

    Why was this biological female given testosterone? I assume this was large doses of testosterone given over a long period of time. Isn't there some concern about high levels of testosterone and PCOS? I'm not a medical doctor, but there is a strong family history of gynecological problems, and the mother had a hysterectomy before age thirty. Perhaps females don't need high levels of testosterone, especially if there is a family history of gynecological disease.

    Instead of surgery which ALWAYS comes with some risk, even the risk of death, most rational people would have done what the gynecologist first suggested which would be to have taken birth control to raise estrogen levels. This should have been tried first. In my opinion, this is how utterly Orwellian and bazaar trans has become. We are forced to live in a fantasy world in which genetic females refuse to take anything that might raise their estrogen levels because it interferes with the testosterone they are taking which perhaps was a contributing factor in the polyps to begin with. I don't want to sound disrespectful, but it's insane, and we are all supposed to just go along with it.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/04/22/ns-hysterectomy-debate.html



    "The fact that they gave him a choice between re-feminizing himself or paying for surgery seems like a clear-cut case of discrimination and an abuse of an established medical care system."

    I'm trying not to laugh here, but it really is difficult to keep from chuckling. The gynocologist first suggested birth control to increase estrogen levels. By the way, gynocologists specialize in diseases of the FEMALE reproductive system. Is that too difficult to admit to one self? I especially liked the statement "re-feminizing "himself". Again, I don't want to sound disrespectful, but it's become rather bazaar.

    "Beyond that, how do you expect to weigh in on another county's nationalized health care system and how it is used by its citizens? "

    As to the suggestion that people never question the Canadian health care system, or any health care system, who do people think eventually ends up footing the bill? Average citizens end up footing the bill through taxes no matter what kind of health care system a country has. In my opinion, it was the right decision to hand this individual the bill for "his" hysterectomy surgery.

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  3. @ anon 3:49
    You are ABSOLUTELY correct...plus I'm sure the Trans guy will win his case.

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  4. The testosterone has caused serious physical problems but taking estrogen would cause severe emotional problems for this individual. Each is as important as the other. The only true solution to this problem is surgery.

    Here in England they offer all surgeries related to 'transitioning' on the NHS provided the person has been through the mandatory psychology sessions and has been on hormones for the appropiate amount of time. It is a recognised condition worthy of free and essential treatment.

    The man will hopefully win his case.

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  5. This case involves a woman, not a man, therefore estrogen, which she naturally produces anyways, wouldnt be an issue. She merely needs to be taken off of testosterone which likely caused her troubles to begin with.

    dirt

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  6. Right, because PCOS never causes problems for females. Nor does any non-trans female ever have any problems that might call for hysterectomy, such as cysts, polyps, cancer, or endometriosis.

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  7. apparently other women had this issue in her family. not sure if her testosterone use added to risk
    canada covers almost everything (my friend had a fully-covered breast reduction)
    the issue is that a hysterectomy is considered a sex change surgery when on a 'transman'

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  8. "The testosterone has caused serious physical problems but taking estrogen would cause severe emotional problems for this individual. Each is as important as the other. The only true solution to this problem is surgery."

    Again, if this biological female has a strong family history of gynecological disease, why was this biological female given large doses of testosterone to begin with?

    As to the statement, estrogen would have caused emotional problems, if one is dead, emotions really don't matter very much. While I respect psychotherapists, physical diseases can be clearly measured and diagnosed through lab work and a whole host of other diagnostic tools. Historically, can we really trust psychiatrists who used to perform lobotomies on people, administered electric shock, or put people in comas as a cure for mental illness. Yes, mental illness is an illness, but the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" is far more open for interpretation than actual lab tests for physical disease that we can actually see. To me, it's interesting how something like this wouldn't have happened twenty or thirty years ago, and now this is more common. What is happening? As to "gender dysphoria" how much is cultural and how much is an actual emotional issue? Unlike a lab test, XRay, MMRI, or another other diagnostic tool, "gender dysphoria" isn't something we can pick up, touch, or examine. I do believe, however, that "gender dysphoria" might exist, but definitely appears to be subjective, open for interpretation, and certainly influenced by societal and cultural factors. Whether we want to admit it or not, cultural and other influences no doubt play a role.

    Transmen should disregard what their gynecologist suggest because doing so causes emotional trauma. Yes, I understand. I hate to say this because I know this is a very sensitive subject, but if transmen were men, they wouldn't be going to gynecologists for ovarian polyps.

    This individual should pay for the surgery and not expect taxpayers to pick up the bill.

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  9. "... instead of playing with dolls and dresses, it was trucks..."
    (from the audio in the linked file, explaining why she's really male)

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  10. Well on your way to getting those marriage rights, eh Dirt? I can't imagine how you can bear how productive you are in issues such as these.

    Pshh. You're a shit stain in the LGB community that I am ashamed of. I'm so very glad no one in the world (especially the various straight people/trans or not that hate you just as much as the next bigot) don't pay your petty blog any mind. To them you're just a dyke. A mentally ill little girl who (because of daddy issues) acts like a man and is a sexual devient who likes other women. Sound familiar?

    You're a fool. And you're too low on the oppression food chain to have a single right to be hateful and THIS misinformed.

    You're nothing but an old troll. An old worthless troll.

    Get a real job you waste of space.

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  11. "In an exclusive interview with the CBC, Jessiah MacDonald said the province's Medical Services Insurance is charging him for sexual reassignment surgery because it doesn't cover that operation."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/04/22/ns-hysterectomy-debate.html

    First, I firmly believe that all women deserve health care, especially access to gynecological health care. I can't imagine any health care system denying a woman a hysterectomy if she really needed it.

    Question:

    When is a hysterectomy "sex reassignment surgery" and when is it just a hysterectomy?

    (1.) Isn't it true that this individual was taking testosterone before the hysterectomy, and insisted that she be referred to as he or him?
    (2.) Didn't this person refuse non-surgical treatment because it might have a feminizing effect and interfere with the testosterone?
    (3.) Will this individual continue to take testosterone after the hysterectomy, and still refer to herself as he?

    If the answers to questions one, two, and three are all true, then it does appear to me that this is more sex reassignment surgery than just a routine hysterectomy. If the province of Nova Scotia's Medical Services Insurance doesn't cover sexual reassignment surgery, then this individual should pay the bill and stop expecting taxpayers to pick up the tab. I've known several woman who have had to have hysterectomies, but they didn't take testosterone on a regular basis before the surgery, and they didn't take testosterone after the hysterectomy. None of these women ever stated they were male, or expressed a desire to be men.

    This gets very confusing and complicated because some transmen deliberately decide to keep their ovaries and uterus and some do not. For example, Thomas Beatie made a decision to keep all her reproductive organs intact so that she could give birth to three babies. This was AFTER she legally changed her sex. Apparently, sometimes hysterectomy is sex reassignment surgery and sometimes it's not. Because transmen are still genetic females, they do need gynecological health care, but they can refuse non-surgical treatment if it interferes with the testosterone they are taking which might have been a factor in the uterine polyps to begin with. It does, indeed, get confusing.

    MacDonald and Dumke want MSI to cover the surgery and change its policy so transgender people can have a hysterectomy if medically necessary.

    What exactly does "medically necessary" mean? Compared to twenty or thirty years ago, I've noticed an increase in the number of women wanting to "transition". Doesn't transitioning involve the removal of both healthy breasts in women, a lifetime regimen of testosterone, and the possible surgical alteration of female genitalia? Is the psychiatric diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" an exact science? Well, of course, it isn't. Moreover, can we say with absolute certainty that no woman ever lives to regret "transitioning"? No, we cannot. There have been several reports of some women having to stop testosterone because of side effects. Unless we can say with all certainty that no woman ever lives to regret "transitioning" (removal of both breasts, testosterone, and/or surgical removal of uterus and ovaries), isn't this just the castration of females, and another form of mutilation of the female body? After all, the mutilation of female bodies in one form or another certainly isn't anything new. It's been around for centuries.

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  12. Can we say with absolute certainty that testosterone caused these polyps? No we can't. Because women who don't take testosterone do develop all kinds of cysts and polyps.
    Considering the rate of ftms' NOT feeling regret, I'd say we certainly don't have an excuse to deny them treatment. Can we say with absolute certainty that there is NO physical or biological basis for transsexuality? NO we can't and furthermore, more and more studies are being concluded that indicate major differences between PRE-transition trans brain and non-trans brains. We get further and further away from junk science but nobody here will admit it.

    Nobody is *forcing* anyone to transition just because of this. I'd be castigated in my community if I so much as hinted that someone might be trans who doesn't identify that way. Whereas it's still somehow acceptable to cal people gay or "closeted" if you are gay. WTF?

    You would prefer that we be considered victims because your brain lacks the ability to conceive of any "female"-born person who ISN'T a victim. Isn't that a comfortable place to be? When you are constantly the victim, you never have to take responsibility for the damage you do and you never have to question yourself because anyone who disagrees with you is just part of the conspiracy. Must be nice...

    Sounds like a classic addict mentality, if you've ever been to an al-anon meeting. Except you are addicted to living as a victim. I know, I know, it's easier...
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  13. It is a natural impossibility to be "born in the wrong body", the very notion is pure backward ignorance.

    And regardless of how she develops her female troubles, there was a course of non invasive medical treatment that she REFUSED!

    dirt

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  14. This person is a Canadian citizen. They have every right to be ticked off to be sent a huge bill, when they pay taxes and monthly fees for medical care. For once, this is a worthwhile issue for the tribunal do be dealing with.

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  15. "there was a course of non invasive medical treatment that she REFUSED!"

    Hey, people make choices between treatment options ALL THE TIME. In many U.S. states, a woman with high breast cancer risk can prophylactically have a mastectomy and it will be covered by insurance. Not only that, but in the U.S., breast re-construction is mandated to covered by insurance. Why? Isn't that just cosmetic?

    From an insurance and medical point of view, additional hormones can wreak havoc with your systems and cause all kinds of problems, whereas a complete hysterectomy can eliminate or substantially lower the risk of uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, unwanted pregnancy, uterine fibroids, endometrial cancer etc. Probably a win-win for the Canadian health care system in the long run to have only this to pay for.

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  16. 2 points- The article says the gynacologist suggested surgery, as Oestrogen would conflict with the testosterone therapy.

    The tribunal does not deal with Human trafficking, they're are a court not an advocacy group.

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  17. Females do not require testosterone to function normally. Therefore all that medically needs to be done is cease testosterone injections and begin estrogen. Problem solved.

    dirt

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  18. Oh Dirt,
    You are not a doctor, nor would you ever be allowed to be a doctor. The sheer work load would have weeded you right out of med school, if your psychological issues didn't get you bounced first.

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  19. Therefore all that medically needs to be done is cease testosterone injections and begin estrogen.

    Yeah, because starting estrogen will make everything clear up good as new. It really is that simple!

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  20. Aggressive dogmaticism. Interesting...

    You're an ignorant fool. There are too many of those in this world. But you are of a particularly despicable breed because you impose yourself on unwelcome and alien territory to that of your own walk of life. You are everything but humble and the structure of your opinion is clearly meant to cause others pain despite your lack of legitimate education.

    It's more sad than anything because a lot of these poor misinformed women who agree with you (or have caught your incurable malady of ignorance) could potentially have been up standing citizens who value social justice for all, instead of a hateful minority. Which is an oxymoron.

    Speaks for itself. This is truly sad.

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  21. "Can we say with absolute certainty that there is NO physical or biological basis for transsexuality?"

    The diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" is certainly not an exact science. Doesn't everything hinge on this diagnosis? Unlike an MRI, Xray, or lab test, how does one test for "gender dysphoria"? Is it something we can quantify? No reputable physician in his or her right mind is going to remove both healthy breasts from a female and prescribe testosterone without a reason. Isn't the reason given "gender dysphoria" or GID? Perhaps there really are people who "gender dysphoric" and who could benefit from "transitioning". However, I can't see how any reasonable person can claim that this diagnosis isn't problematic. For example, how does one completely separate cultural influences from this diagnosis? A couple of months ago, there was a Washington Post article about a five year old transgender girl. Her parents are already calling this little girl "he". It does appear to me that the problem is the parents not "gender dysphoria" in the child. No matter what one says the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" is problematic and open for interpretation. It's also impossible to completely separate cultural, family, and peer influences from this diagnosis. This might not be something we want to admit it, but it's true.

    As I understand it, the vast majority of FTM (female to male transsexuals) are genetic females who wouldn't fall under the category of intersex. Intersex are part of the human family, and this is a different subject that I don't care to delve into. FTMs only change the outward appearance of their bodies certainly not their genes. Without an external source of testosterone, they simply return back to looking female. Humans are nothing more than primates, and the idea that primates can change their sex is scientifically impossible. Same sex sexual activity has been clearly documented in primates and mammals, but there is no way of knowing if they actually believe they are the opposite sex.

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  22. ... more and more studies are being concluded that indicate major differences between PRE-transition trans brain and non-trans brains"

    I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as a "trans brain". Here we go again with the "brain sex" theories or "trans brain" theories. Many of these studies have been refuted by reputable scientists and researchers. No, there are not major differences between pre-transition trans brain and non-trans brains. Perhaps slight differences at best. I'm not a neurologist, but I don't believe there is region of the brain called "trans". There is far more scientific consensus that fossil fuels increase atmospheric carbon dioxide than consensus on "trans brain" theories. We can't cut up people who are alive and look at their brains. We can't look at the brains of millions of different people. Perhaps I have a trans brain and I don't even know it. From what I gather, according to trans logic, there are brain differences between a genetic female who does identify as trans and a genetic female who does not identify as trans. It all has to do with the way the brain is wired. This is the cause of "transitioning" (surgery, testosterone, etc). Let's say there are slight differences between the brains of genetic females who identify as trans and females who don't identify as trans. What does this mean? Does this mean women have to get their breasts removed and take testosterone for life? Let's take three women (one who identifies as trans, one who is not trans and identifies as heterosexual, and one who identifies as lesbian). Isn't it possible that each woman could have the exact same brain structure? Trans is nothing more than a identity just like lesbian or heterosexual. There are several studies that show that gay men and lesbians might have slightly different brains. I identify as butch lesbian, and perhaps there is no difference between the way my brain is structured and the way a pre-transition female to male transsexual's brain is structured. However, I have no desire whatsoever to have both my healthy breasts removed or to take testosterone. To me, to state unequivocally that "transitioning" (breast removal, testosterone) is the only cure or remedy for a female who might or might not have a very slight difference in the structure of her brain does an injustice to the female sex. "Transitioning" is a socially prescribed cure for something that might or might not exist.

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  23. "You would prefer that we be considered victims because your brain lacks the ability to conceive of any "female"-born person who ISN'T a victim. Isn't that a comfortable place to be? When you are constantly the victim, you never have to take responsibility for the damage you do and you never have to question yourself because anyone who disagrees with you is just part of the conspiracy. Must be nice...

    Sounds like a classic addict mentality, if you've ever been to an al-anon meeting. Except you are addicted to living as a victim. I know, I know, it's easier..."

    For asking some sensitive questions that some don't want to hear, I've been called a lot of things. However, I've never been told I have "a classic addict mentality". I'm not the one literally wedded to the health care system for life, and I'm not the one who has to take testosterone for life. Indeed, I feel no urge to take drugs or chemicals to enhance my emotional well being.

    For some reason, some people think that history began around the 1990s when transgender slowly crept into our vocabulary. Historically, the various forms of mutilation of the female body are too numerous and too extensive to properly describe in this little blog. Forget female genital mutilation. Forget the horrific practice of "breast ironing". Forget 163 million missing girls from China and India ("Unnatural Selection, Hvistendahl). Can we say with absolute certainty that internalized misogyny plays no part whatsoever in the dramatic increase in the number of young women "transitioning"? Heck, even some FTMs have come right out and said they transition because they want the status and privilege of being seen as men. Could "transitioning" be another form of internalized misogyny? Perhaps not in all cases, but certainly in 90% of what I've seen. Why aren't we allowed to ask these questions?

    People close to the trans community simply refuse to answer some rather uncomfortable questions.

    Question: Has there ever been a time in recorded history in which the mutilation of female bodies has not occurred in one form or another?

    Unless we can say with all certainty that no woman ever lives to regret "transitioning" (removal of both breasts, testosterone, and/or surgical removal of uterus and ovaries), isn't this just the castration of females, and another form of mutilation of the female body? Do we dare to ask this question? Is the act of "transitioning" (removal of healthy breasts, testosterone, surgical alteration of female genitalia) just another form of mutilation of the female body?

    This is what I would like to see. I want a complete epidemiological study of FTMs (female to male transsexual) carried out in all industrialized countries. Compare what is going on today to twenty or thirty years ago. There has been a dramatic increase in the number of women "transitioning". I want all the data. I also want to see data on the increase in the number of diagnosed cases of "gender dysphoria". If "gender dysphoria" is a psychiatric condition treated medically and surgically, then the principles and methods of epidemiology should apply. If there is a dramatic increase in any medical condition, or even a psychiatric diagnosis, then perhaps we should start looking at environmental or cultural factors. Why can't we do this? Is "transitioning" so special and unique that is above scrutiny? What does "transitioning" entail? (1.) removal of both healthy breasts in females (2.) a life time regimen of testosterone (3.) often the removal of the uterus and ovaries and/or (4.) surgical alternation of labia, vulva, and female genitalia. It's no so much the existence of FTMs that bothers me so much as the increase in the numbers. Are there any epidemiologists out there willing to tackle this issue?

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  24. "Pshh. You're a shit stain in the LGB community that I am ashamed of. I'm so very glad no one in the world (especially the various straight people/trans or not that hate you just as much as the next bigot) don't pay your petty blog any mind. To them you're just a dyke. A mentally ill little girl who (because of daddy issues) acts like a man and is a sexual devient who likes other women. Sound familiar?"

    "You're a fool. And you're too low on the oppression food chain to have a single right to be hateful and THIS misinformed.

    You're nothing but an old troll. An old worthless troll."

    "Aggressive dogmaticism. Interesting...

    You're an ignorant fool. There are too many of those in this world. But you are of a particularly despicable breed because you impose yourself on unwelcome and alien territory to that of your own walk of life. You are everything but humble and the structure of your opinion is clearly meant to cause others pain despite your lack of legitimate education.

    It's more sad than anything because a lot of these poor misinformed women who agree with you (or have caught your incurable malady of ignorance) could potentially have been up standing citizens who value social justice for all, instead of a hateful minority. Which is an oxymoron.
    Speaks for itself. This is truly sad."

    Well, at least they didn't tell Dirt to die in a fire like one poster suggested.

    Judging by the way she is constantly described and the use of the rather mean spirited adjectives that fly about when her name is mentioned, logic tells me that Dirt must be either one or the other:

    (1.) Dirt really is the most despicable person in the world and should feel utter shame for her behavior.

    (2.) She has the audacity to say things some don't want to hear.

    While I don't know Dirt personally, I tend to agree with statement number two. By the way, I don't lack legitimate education.

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  25. "To me, to state unequivocally that "transitioning" (breast removal, testosterone) is the only cure or remedy for a female who might or might not have a very slight difference in the structure of her brain does an injustice to the female sex."

    I like to look at root problems too. For me, the root "problem" in this controversy is that so many of you skeptics seem to think this is about *you*. For instance, when has anyone stated the above unequivocally? Are there yet parades of men in suits coming to your door prescribing transition for your apparent "gender dysphoria"? No, there aren't and you are NOT other people. I suspect that many of you are unable to separate your emotions from reality in this situation. Now, hold on, I'm not calling you hysterical or anything like that. But why are there so many butch women who understand the difference between themselves and transmen? It's my experience that 99% of gender-conforming people are a) not really all that conforming when you look at them and b) present no deep, personalized misgivings about my transition. Because they understand that it's not about them. It's almost as if my happiness doesn't effect theirs! Wow!

    Look, take a mental journey with me, if only for a moment. Please. You don't have to admit it or stay there...
    Imagine that people transitioning has no effect on your happiness. Imagine that nobody, not a single person in this world wants you to transition. Imagine that all people want is for you to be happy. Imagine that there is nothing wrong with being trans, being butch, being no gender at all. Imagine that butches and transmen and men and women and dykes and fags are all getting along because they know who they are and respect others' right to do what they wish. Okay, we are done.

    If you want, you can go back now... to fearing, mistrusting, and generally caving in on yourself mentally because of something *other* people are doing with their own lives. But I wouldn't recommend it.

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    1. But somehow the redefining of what it means to be male or female does affect all of humanity. That person with a penis and a chemically plumped chest and behind is 'just as much of a woman' as me? That hair-covered woman with the chest scars and swollen clitoris is just as much of a man as any biological man? It doesn't stop within the mind and body of the transitioner.

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  26. "(2.) She has the audacity to say things some don't want to hear. "

    Actually most transpeople have heard all this shit before, and processed the fact that it's our lot to live in a time when we are met with willful ignorance and hate. This time shall pass.

    But maybe we don't want to hear it because we are fucking sick of it. Have you heard her suggest that we are child molesters? Do you think that's some kind of benign "inconvenience" for us to witness the filth in her brain? Do you understand that she tells lies about our lives to any weak souls ever-willing to
    believe her? Have you read that we are unable to love or be in lasting relationships?

    Y'know some of her points are worth shouting from the rooftops- ALL people should love themselves and their bodies. ALL people's self-esteem is assaulted by this world.

    Unfortunately, what small amount of wisdom she might possess is mired in self-aggrandizment, filth, paranoia, and hatred. I can think of a few tyrannical despots who actually had some good points about the oppression of their people, but all those tyrants ever did was hurt people. Thank god Dirt has no power to do anything like that.

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  27. This is what I would like to see. I want a complete epidemiological study of [gay people] carried out in all industrialized countries. Compare what is going on today to twenty or thirty years ago. There has been a dramatic increase in the number of women [choosing gay relationships]. I want all the data. I also want to see data on the increase in the number of diagnosed cases of [homosexuality].

    If there is a dramatic increase in any [divergent lifestyle choice], or even a psychiatric diagnosis, then perhaps we should start looking at environmental or cultural factors. Why can't we do this? Is [being gay] so special and unique that is above scrutiny? It's no so much the existence of [gay people] that bothers me so much as the increase in the numbers. Are there any epidemiologists out there willing to tackle this issue?

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  28. "I'm not the one literally wedded to the health care system for life, and I'm not the one who has to take testosterone for life. Indeed, I feel no urge to take drugs or chemicals to enhance my emotional well being. "

    Try not to sound so sanctimonious. There are plenty of us out here who are only alive at all right now because of the health care system. May you never get cancer, high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol, anxiety, depression, PCOS, endometriosis, or any other kind of disease that requires lifelong attention. Hopefully if you do, you'll spare us the cost and walk out onto the tundra to die alone!

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  29. This is what I would like to see. I want a complete epidemiological study of [gay people] carried out in all industrialized countries. Compare what is going on today to twenty or thirty years ago. There has been a dramatic increase in the number of women [choosing gay relationships]. I want all the data. I also want to see data on the increase in the number of diagnosed cases of [homosexuality].

    If there is a dramatic increase in any [divergent lifestyle choice], or even a psychiatric diagnosis, then perhaps we should start looking at environmental or cultural factors. Why can't we do this? Is [being gay] so special and unique that is above scrutiny? It's no so much the existence of [gay people] that bothers me so much as the increase in the numbers. Are there any epidemiologists out there willing to tackle this issue?

    I want to respond to this. Why is the mutilation of female bodies acceptable? No one wants to touch this question. No one will answer this question. People won't even consider the possibility that internalized misogyny might play a role in the reported increase in the number of young women "transitioning".

    Let's look at "transitioning" once again. Doesn't "transitioning" involve the cutting of female flesh, the stripping away of tissue? I realize that it might not be politically correct or very pleasant to describe it this way, but this is the reality. As it relates to FTMs or transmen, it means (1.) removal of both healthy breasts (2.) a life time of testosterone and/or (3.) surgical removal of uterus, ovaries, and surgical alteration of female genitalia.

    THERE IS NO SURGERY INVOLVED IN BEING GAY OR LESBIAN, AND NO LIFE TIME OF CROSS GENDER HORMONES.

    This is the difference between "transitiong" and being gay or lesbian. If there was an increase in the number of young women getting both their healthy breasts removed, wouldn't researchers and scientists want to know? If "gender dysphoria" is a psychiatric disorder (it's in the DSM) that is being treated MEDICALLY (years of testosterone) and SURGICALLY (breast removal, surgical alteration of females genitals) then the principles and methods of epidemiology should apply.

    Apparently, surgery and cross gender hormones involved in the practice of "transitioning" should never be scrutinized under any circumstances.

    Since the subject of gay and lesbian was brought up, isn't it true that sex reassignment surgery has historically been used as a means of social control, especially the erasing of gay and lesbian identity? For example, isnt' it true that homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran, but the government will pay for sex reassignment surgery?

    By the way, I'm sure some of the "gender dysphoric" twelve and thirteen year old kids who are given puberty suppressing drugs probably would have grown up to be gay men and lesbians if they weren't surgically and chemically castrated. The possibility of erasing gay and lesbian identity is another subject that the trans community won't address.

    Again, there is NO surgery and NO cross gender hormones involved in being gay or lesbian.

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  30. To all the people who ask the question "why are more people transitioning now?". I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark to answer that:

    There are now seven billion people in the world. Dirt likes to state that trans came about in the 1950s, when the world population was only two and a half billion. Pulling a number out of the air for people transitioning (lets go with 2% for the sake of argument), even if the percentage of transitions taking place in this decade remains at 2%, it will show a dramatic increase in the numbers. Are more people transitioning now than ever before, or are the numbers simply relative to the population?

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  31. also when people keeping reading and hearing in the media thing like how a little girl who doesn't play with dolls and pretends to shave like daddy is actually male and has something wring with her that has a good amout of societal impact

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  32. So our bodies should belong to the state? Or what, a panel of lesbians should decide what how we can live our lives, how we can feel about ourselves?

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  33. (I'm the anonymous poster 2 above whose comment came out seeming illeterate as I was posting on phone during brief signal on subway)
    I personally would never deprive anybody from doing anything to themselves, only want the freedom to discuss sociological and psychological reasons behind their decisions (and this doesn't apply exclusively to transsexualism) and the freedom to not have to play along with what I may consider delusional thinking manifest in a body obsession/ medical dependence (also transsexualism is not the only example of this though perhaps the most explicit) In other words do whatever you want but don't rely on all of society to support your claims and keep you comfortable. Also, it is NOT only lesbians who feel this way.

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  34. Lesbians have just been close-up witnesses to transsexualism/transgenderism, both with watching lesbians we've known become what they think is male, and males with sex-changes (or even without) claiming to be lesbians. That's why I think much of this early trans-skepticism is coming from dykes.

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  35. Yes I notice now that I'm on the big screen that I spelled illiterate wrong up there. "if you can't even spell illiterate you have no right telling me what to do with my body..." I know...

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  36. "So our bodies should belong to the state? Or what, a panel of lesbians should decide what how we can live our lives, how we can feel about ourselves?"


    I suppose this logic could also be applied to Chinese foot binding, female genital mutilation, the horrific practice of “breast ironing”, sex selective abortions which can account for 163 missing girls from China and India (Mara Hvistendahl), or various medical practices such as lobotomies. If people want to saw off their own arm, or stick a pick through their head, why not?

    People might feel good about severing, cutting out, or removing part of their anatomy now, but later live to regret it. Well, it felt good at the time. Getting a tattoo, piercing, or one's ears pierced is not same thing as what are essentially elective mastectomies on both healthy breasts, female genital alteration, or a life time of testosterone. People can get tattoos lasered off, and most piercings involve little destruction of healthy tissue. When breasts are removed, or a woman's uterus and ovaries are removed, this is permanent and it doesn't grow back.

    This statement also completely disregards cultural, family, and peer pressures that influence one's decisions. We cannot completely separate humans from the culture and society in which they are raised. By pointing out the fact that internalized misogyny might play a role in the increase in young women "transitioning" lesbians are branded as repressive agents of the state. This is very interesting. The various forms of violence inflicted on women in general, and lesbians in particular would be far too extensive to properly describe in Dirt's little blog. Lesbians have been tortured and raped, and now we are agents of the state dictating how people should live.

    Historically, I’m not aware of any “panel of lesbians” that has ever had the authority to dictate how people should live their lives. Is this a joke? Where could I find such a panel?

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