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Tuesday, August 28, 2012

FTM-Where Self Hating Women and the Hatred of Woman Meet

Found the above self hating comment waiting when I arrived home from work. Between the copious amount of times this (I assume young) woman used "bitch" and "ugly" in this short comment, how she views herself as a woman is quite clear, and it is through that pure self hating lens that she views all women. The hatred of women IS the crux of female transition. This is a truth that no one from the Male Medical Machine dare to entertain! Not because it isnt true, BUT because if ethically investigated the medically community creating trans females would have to hold patriarchal society responsible for the self hatred the patriarchal structures man has erected and bred into females!

The ultimate truth is, sans any comment, any word uttered, we merely have to place our eyes upon the trans female to see patriarchy's hatred of women, and the trans females response to that hatred.

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  1. Interesting how you took the time to screencap an angry comment, but either ignored or refused to respond to my request to have my face and information taken off your blog. Rest assured that I won't stop politely asking until you do.

    Unlike the ftms you choose to showcase, I'm a reasonable guy who doesn't hate women and, in fact, prefers to spend his time with female friends.

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  2. Jared:

    Before you get up in arms, I'm an (albeit) older FTM. Frankly, if Dirt did not take anything from your private blogs, you have no legal standing to have it taken down. If she linked to your youtube, then its a public site. She didn't take anything from a private network. Yes, you have standing saying that she is using you as an example of something you don't like, but she is making no profit nor is she promoting violence against you as a person.

    It sucks, that is the nature of the internet. If you don't want your site linked to by someone who doesn't agree with you, make it private or don't put pictures and videos of you up on the internet. Putting your face on a public site means you lose your right to privacy if whoever used your picture isn't making a profit. Dirt isn't, nor is she telling people to find you and hurt you. Celebrities can't sue and neither can you.

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  3. I'm Anon 11:04

    And for the record, the vitriol that FTMs through at Dirt is disgusting and frankly immature and makes even me wonder about their mental stability. There is no excuse for the slurs, personal attacks, anger, threats, or the wishes of physical or sexual abuse. Seeing it makes me actually agree with Dirt, despite the fact that I am in that catagory. I don't know why so many of anti-female, but it is sad.

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  4. Anon @1104:

    I like to think I'm fairly good at seeing both sides of an argument and I doubt that most of the ftms who leave hateful comments are so much anti-female as they are anti-Dirt.

    She's attacking an entire community of people that she clearly does not understand. I am sure that some people do choose to transition and then realize it wasn't for them. (For ftms- the statistic is just under 2%) That doesn't mean that every transgendered individual on the planet is just confused or "too afraid" of the backlash of the rest of the trans* community.

    Are you trying to say that even though someone claims your feelings are invalid and that your personal life choices are an attack on someone else that you don't feel a bit angry and can't understand why others might lose their tempers? Not everyone understands how to be diplomatic- especially not on the internet where you don't have to say things to someone's face. I've left several anonymous comments on this blog that were never published-- possibly because they were too level-headed and wouldn't support Dirt's claim that all ftms are angry, hateful people who find women worthless and therefore transition is an act of self-hatred.

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  5. Hahaha! HA! It cracks me up that this guy writes this and also uses the word "pontificate" in it. I just love people.

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  6. Homosexual women have fought for decades to make others understand that they DON'T want to be a man. A heterosexual who says 'you want to be a man'to a lesbian is quite rightly termed a homophobe. Why are we putting up with this Homophobia from the Trans community?

    The 'cotton ceiling' also denies that a HOMOSEXual wants to sleep with people of the same SEX. That's SEX not gender.

    It's also obvious homophobia.

    We need to start pointing out this homophobia. It isn't just misogyny. It's deeper than that.

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  7. To the young lady calling herself "jared", if you make you bed, lie in it.

    dirt

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  8. hahahahaha Dirty deletes me !!!! buzz buzz buzz I wonder why she does? Sweet! ;)

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  9. Dirt 6:32: Jared obviously is lying in the bed he's made and is quite comfortable with it. What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

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  10. Anon @129:

    I have never met a single trans* person who legitimately thought that a lesbian is actually someone who wants to be a straight man.

    Sexual attraction has absolutely nothing to do with why folks transition. Maybe if you got some of your research from those who transition rather than someone who bashes on them like Dirt does, you'd realize that.

    Dirt:

    I am quite happy with my bed. I just don't like my pretty face brightening up your blog of hatred. People might think your blog is something other than what it is.

    Also, claiming that putting my picture and name/etc on your website is a fair use is just not even remotely right.

    First, the fair use doctrine applies to copyrighted works- not people.

    Second, there is nothing that it does to further your argument that transitioning is a form of violence against women or misogyny. Perhaps if you pulled quotes from one of my videos where I talk about how female bodies are disgusting or that I don't know why lesbians pretend they're actually women? Oh, wait. You can't because no one I've ever heard of actually thinks those things.

    Third- As your blog is essentially a hate blog (yes, you occasionally post about other womens' issues, but if someone were to simply look at this blog and the first couple entries, it looks like an ftm hate blog), it's safe to assume that those reading such entries as "Trans Trending" are then going to take the contact information you've provided and use it to harass me.

    Being an adult, I'm certain I can take it. However, you're posting this information about kids who are still in high school. They don't need people who think like you do going and telling them that they are sick or that they're actually just lesbians or something.

    If you want to "help" these kids "realize" that they are "actually women" then try listening to them first. Try to understand what they are saying instead of assuming that it is a personal attack on you and all other women. You have clearly never felt these things, and I'm truly happy for you that you haven't. That also means that you are a poor judge of whether these feelings are legitimate.

    I truly am sorry for all of the ftms who leave hateful comments like the one you've chosen to showcase in this entry, but can you say that what you're doing is any different? Sure, your language is much more PG but what you are doing is attacking an entire group of people, calling us misogynists and women-haters. I'm sure some ftms ARE women-haters, just like I'm sure some biological men are women-haters. But the exception doesn't make the rule and I can guarantee that at least half the hot-heads who lost their temper at you did just that- lost their temper at YOU. Not all women. Just the one attacking their personal life choices.

    So, as I clearly don't represent the rude ftms who've lost their temper after being heinously insulted that you choose to showcase, I don't see how my face on your blog is doing anything to help your argument.

    Why don't you go ahead and remove it like I've asked three times now?

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  11. "Why are we putting up with this Homophobia from the Trans community?"

    Why are trans people putting up with Dirt and her followers calling us child molesters and lesbian-rapists?

    Are you actually stupid enough to think that what Dirt preaches is benign? That it's okay for her to spout her filthy lies and bile about transpeople, but unexpected and "phobic" when some of us react? That's a classic victim complex. Take responsibility for your words and actions, and maybe you'll deserve respect some day.

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  12. I would like to make some comments about the angry FTM who posted the utterly misogynistic attack and the people who make excuses for this individual's behavior.

    The very first sentence was...

    "What I see here are typical asshole feminist bitches"....

    Often the first words out of a person's mouth are the most telling. It does appear that this angry transman has a problem with "typical asshole feminist bitches". Doesn't the term feminist refer specifically to the female sex as a whole? It's very telling that this individual put the word "typical" in front of "asshole feminist bitches". If a heterosexual biological male called feminists bitches and assholes, most women would be outraged, but it's all of a sudden cute and adorable when a FTM calls feminists assholes and bitches.

    Then someone posted a comment which says:

    "But the exception doesn't make the rule and I can guarantee that at least half the hot-heads who lost their temper at you did just that- lost their temper at YOU. Not all women. Just the one attacking their personal life choices. I'm sure some ftms ARE women-haters, just like I'm sure some biological men are women-haters. "

    First, I'm assuming that this individual was born a female child from a mother's womb. As I understand it, the majority of FTMs are still genetic females. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how a human being who was born a girl child from the body of a female human can be so misogynistic. In this post, the word bitch was used at least six times, and Dirt was called an "ugly ass cow",a "fugly ass dyke", and a "bulldagging bitch". Again, if a straight biological male spoke these words to a lesbian, he would be considered homophobic and sexist. Second, it's interesting to me how misogynists repeatedly call women "bitches" and never cease to call any woman they disagree with "ugly ass cows". How many times have biological males called women they disagree with "cows", or "ugly ass cows"? This post just drips misogyny. It almost oozes out of the pores. There is no other way to properly describe it.

    If Dirt is a "fugly ass dyke" "bulldagging bitch", then I'm proud to be called one too.

    Dirt, with you all the way...

    Insightful post....

    "Between the copious amount of times this (I assume young) woman used "bitch" and "ugly" in this short comment, how she views herself as a woman is quite clear, and it is through that pure self hating lens that she views all women. The hatred of women IS the crux of female transition. This is a truth that no one from the Male Medical Machine dare to entertain! Not because it isnt true, BUT because if ethically investigated the medically community creating trans females would have to hold patriarchal society responsible for the self hatred the patriarchal structures man has erected and bred into females!

    The ultimate truth is, sans any comment, any word uttered, we merely have to place our eyes upon the trans female to see patriarchy's hatred of women, and the trans females response to that hatred."

    dirt


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  13. Anon @313:

    "In this post, the word bitch was used at least six times"

    So, when you're ranting about someone who's made you angry, you don't curse or call them rude things?

    I'm not condoning what this guy sent to Dirt. I'm only asking that you make a valid attempt at empathy. If some guy were on another blog raging about how all lesbians are closeted men-wannabes, wouldn't you start ranting about assholes and bastards?

    Often a person's initial response to someone insulting them (which, make no mistake is what this entire blog is) is to insult them back. Note that the commenter didn't say "typical feminists" but "typical ASSHOLE feminists." Again, I'm not defending him but ask yourself if someone telling you that you're an awful human being without even having met you doesn't fall into the category of "asshole." I don't see why the label "feminist" had to be attached as Dirt is the only "feminist" I've seen who is unreasonable and seems to get her jollies attacking others.

    I encourage you to actually sit down and talk with a member of the transgender community instead of forming your opinions based on the edited and biased tosh that Dirt posts.

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  14. "If Dirt is a "fugly ass dyke" "bulldagging bitch", then I'm proud to be called one too. "

    Weak feminism creates justification for hateful words and irresponsible action by people with weak minds and characters. Which is to say that most of you were born looking for a way to shirk responsibility. Feminism came along and you latched onto it because it's a relief, for shirkers, to embrace a paradigm which burdens you with zero responsibility for your actions. Who created this terrible world? Men did! Who shapes all the power dynamics in the world? Men do! Guess what that belief system does for you? It gives you a really simple way to ignore all other kinds of inequity, while congratulating yourselves for being "uppity" and "revolutionary". Nevermind that the *majority* of you are upper-middle class white people with some higher education and more economic stability than 99% of the world. With access to food, shelter, clothing, medicine. Forget all that, because you are still SO OPPRESSED as lesbians. Wow. So you can say anything you want, and it will be "radical" and empowering. When you succeed, you can congratulate yourselves. When you fail, you can JUST BLAME IT ON MEN! How perfect!

    This is why women are still infantilized. This is the disservice that feminism has done for women. It hasn't released you, it's consigned you to a false viewpoint that will never release you into full humanity. You don't deserve respect because at the end of the day, you only want the half the wages of liberation, the other half is taking an account of your true motives, your true strength (or lack of strength) of character, your guilt in oppressing others on this earth. If you are an asshole by nature, then you are probably an asshole feminist. If ya don't like what I'm saying, it's because you know it's true.

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  15. 4:13, I hope to God you're not a biological female writing/thinking shit like that.

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  16. @ 4:13 is soooo not a woman. It's obvious.


    @ Jared - I reject you premise based on scientific research which shows you "can't tell a pre-trans from a pre-gay at 8 years old" (google it). Please show us the links to your research (that's research not theory! there is a BIG difference) or shut up parroting the same thing over and over again about trans and gays/lesbians having nothing in common.


    @ 2:24 Isn't Dirt a victim too then?? Aren't you victim blaming dirt - who has suffered homophobia? Do you think what the Trans* said to dirt is benign? Do you think homophobia is less important? Do you need to grow up? quickly?

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  17. @Jared "If some guy were on another blog raging about how all lesbians are closeted men-wannabes, wouldn't you start ranting about assholes and bastards?"

    No I wouldn't because I don't suffer from misandry

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  18. Anon @523:

    "shut up parroting the same thing over and over again about trans and gays/lesbians having nothing in common."

    I'm really confused. When did I ever try to say this? Are you referring to my statement that sexual orientation and gender identity are two completely different continents?

    That's like asking me for research on why eye color and height have nothing in common except that they're pre-determined by genetic code.

    It's entirely possible to be an ftm attracted to men or an mtf attracted to women. Or bisexual/pansexual/whathaveyou. Just like Dirt COULD have been straight or bisexual but ISN'T. (As far as I can tell. I apologize if I've misread something and am jumping to conclusions.) Being trans* doesn't mean you automatically find yourself attracted to a certain sex.

    BUT, just to make you happy, I did google the phrase you told me to and the only thing I came up with was a comment on Dirt's blog leading to an article that is over half a decade old that talks about a study (performed from 1972-1987) surveying a group of biological boys who displayed stereotypically female traits to find out if they would turn out gay or transsexual. I didn't see "Turned out straight and male" as an option, so I feel compelled to lend very little credence to this study.

    Let's also acknowledge that it was a survey of 44 boys. That is an EXTREMELY small sample. There's also no information about where these boys grew up- Was it all in the same town? Were they all the same race? How diverse can one sample of 44 boys really be?

    And then- for the heck of it- let's acknowledge that this study was closed over two decades ago.

    I don't really see what there is to debate about- especially when it concerns decades old statistics and stereotypes- so if you could please let me know what point you're trying to make with this source that I don't even want to call research, I'd be happy to continue a civil discussion with you and counter with up to date sources and studies.

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  19. Anon @543:

    Let me rephrase:
    If someone deeply insults me or in some way wrongs me enough that I feel compelled to break out profanity (a rare occurrence, I can assure you, especially when I haven't even managed to cuss about Dirt to anyone), I am just as likely to call a woman a bitch as a man a bastard.

    Perhaps the male propensity for swearing is why I prefer to spend my time in the company of females.

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  20. @ Jared

    Your rephrasing didn't help. Calling a woman a bitch is misogyny.

    e.g. Calling a gay man a faggot because he upset you is homophobia.

    It's quite simple really.....

    Are you mansplaining? or transplaining? or whitesplaining? or heterosplaining? Or just general bigot'splaining?

    I don't resort to prejudice because I'm angry. No matter how angry I am. Just 'splaining that simple concept for you.

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  21. Anon @648:

    What I was trying to say is that when people are angry they say dumb things, often that they don't mean. They insult the things that they are angry with.

    But I can see that you really want to see me as a bigot of some kind and no amount of rephrasing is going to convince you otherwise. So I invite you to have fun with that and I hope that using me as a scapegoat allows you to feel better about your life. I genuinely do- especially since it takes very little effort on my part to be the scapegoat of someone I doubt I know or ever will. And it's only ever been my goal to see a bit more happiness in the world.

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  22. Jared, this is a woman-centered blog, clearly you hate yourself as a woman and hate other women. If you arent proud of being a woman or working towards loving yourself as a woman, then this blog isnt for you hun.

    dirt

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  23. Read above, this blog is FOR WOMEN ONLY.

    dirt

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  24. If this person who wrote that comment was truly happy with herself, she would not be spewing all that hatred toward anyone. It seems like self hatred to me, being projected at someone else. I don't see Dirt as any of those things that person wrote. I see a beautiful, strong butch woman who is not afraid to speak her mind. I admire that. Obviously Dirt threatens people who are not secure with themselves. What I don't understand is why is she wasting all that time spewing hatred when she can use that energy toward loving and accepting herself?

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  25. @ Jared Thanks for Mansplaining your misogyny again.

    As for your answer to "Please show us the links to your research (that's research not theory! there is a BIG difference)" your answer in short was : THERE IS NO RESEARCH or evidence for 'gender theory' that genderqueers so love. It is just that - a theory. There is however, research to prove all those 'radscum' right. Lots of it. Scientific, verifiable research that their instinct about what is going on with 'genderqueer' women is right and they have reason to be concerned.

    All you did was critique the research. It's nice that radfems have research for you to critique because gender theorists don't have a scrap of evidence, they just have a theory. That's all. It's a theory. Written by Trans, for Trans, trying to convince anyone WITHOUT gender dysphoria that in short, they should really be having gender dysphoria! 99% of the world don't believe your 'theory' because they are not gender dysphoric. And they never will because it's all nonsense to anyone who doesn't suffer from gender dysphoria. It relates to Trans and a few brainwashed Trans 'genderqueer' Allies and that's it.

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  26. lol, I could fill a dictionary with feminists portmanteaus.

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  27. Dirt really is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. By constantly referring to FTMs as female and then tearing strips from them, she's committing an act of misogyny herself! In reference to the poster Jared, she referred to them as a "young lady" but then told them that her blog is for "WOMEN ONLY"!

    Which one is it Dirt? Surely if you truly believe FTMs to be female, they should be welcome on your blog regardless of their views. Or is it that your blog is for some women, but not for others? You are consistently inconsistent in your opinions and from a spectators point of view, it's actually quite amusing.

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  28. "Weak feminism creates justification for hateful words and irresponsible action by people with weak minds and characters."

    What the heck does this sentence mean and what the holy heck is weak feminism? Who gets to decide what "weak feminism" is and is not? I guess it's the same people who think using phrases like "typical asshole feminist bitches" and "fugly ass dyke" "bulldagging bitch" makes them feel superior to "bulldagging bitches".

    Read the post directed towards Dirt once again. Let every word sink in before commenting.

    "If you are an asshole by nature, then you are probably an asshole feminist."

    This person forgot to add the word "bitches" to the phrase, "What I see here are typical asshole feminist bitches." The word "bitches" was used six times.

    I love the following sentences, and this probably says everything that needs to be said.

    "Who created this terrible world? Men did! Who shapes all the power dynamics in the world? Men do!"

    Question:

    Who creates men? Women reproduce future generations.

    "This is why women are still infantilized. This is the disservice that feminism has done for women. It hasn't released you, it's consigned you to a false viewpoint that will never release you into full humanity."

    Damn women! Shame on them for wanting the right to vote (1920 in U.S.) They should stay in the kitchen where they belong. They don't need reproductive health care so just spread your legs and shut up.

    *Female genital mutilation
    About 140 million girls and women worldwide are currently living with the consequences of FGM.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

    * 163 million missing girls from China and India because of sex selective abortions

    Feminist bashing men sound an awful lot like misogynistic FTMs. I would like to know if a man or a transman wrote these words:

    "Who created this terrible world? Men did! Who shapes all the power dynamics in the world? Men do!"

    Yes, this says it all. I completely understand.

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  29. I completely agree with the following post. This is not just about misogyny and societal views of women. It's about homophobia too, but since no one takes bull dykes seriously, we are are supposed to ignore in your face, blatant homophobia when it slaps us in the face.

    "Homosexual women have fought for decades to make others understand that they DON'T want to be a man. A heterosexual who says 'you want to be a man'to a lesbian is quite rightly termed a homophobe. Why are we putting up with this Homophobia from the Trans community?

    The 'cotton ceiling' also denies that a HOMOSEXual wants to sleep with people of the same SEX. That's SEX not gender.

    It's also obvious homophobia.

    We need to start pointing out this homophobia. It isn't just misogyny. It's deeper than that."

    The following sentences were directed towards a butch lesbian,

    "If you are happy with being the ugly man looking..."

    "As ugly and man looking as your pathetic ass is.."

    "fugly ass dyke"

    "bulldagging bitch"

    Because these words were coming from a FTM, we are supposed to ignore the blatant homophobia. Nothing is lower than a butch lesbian.

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  30. Feminist bashing men sound an awful lot like misogynistic FTMs. I would like to know if a man or a transman wrote these words:

    "Who created this terrible world? Men did! Who shapes all the power dynamics in the world? Men do!"

    The answer is yes.

    And the feminist movement should be able to withstand some critique from a person who has been in its ranks for years. It may "sound like" misogyny to you because you don't understand the difference between dissent from a movement and actually hating the group that movement purports to empower. Stripping women of their culpability and responsibility for their own oppression and their oppression of others amounts to creating and supporting a paradigm in which women have no agency. Then the cycle continues. Do you believe that everything a feminist says is incontrovertible? Then you are part of the problem. Nobody gets to be completely right all the time, and if such a feminist existed, she would divorce herself from mentally-ill women like Dirt.

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  31. Anon @255

    If my desire to medically transition to another sex is homophobia, then a woman's desire to sleep with another woman is heterophobia.

    My life choices are just that- mine. No trans* person I have EVER met thinks that lesbians are actually closeted trans* folk just like no lesbian thinks a straight woman is a closeted lesbian. Like the quote says-- "A heterosexual who says 'you want to be a man'to a lesbian" --a heterosexual. Not a transsexual. Every trans* person I know understands that sexual orientation has NOTHING TO DO WITH gender.

    ...if only the folks who frequent this blog understood that.

    No, you're not supposed to ignore misogynistic insults "just because they come from an ftm." But judging an entire group of people based on a few hot heads is ridiculous. It legitimately makes me sick to my stomach to pull up a blog and see myself being classified as a misogynist for something I can't help. For something I feel and cannot stop feeling.

    I'm sure you can relate to being called horrible names for feelings that you can't change.

    One other thing- the article that Anon 5:23 referenced? Here's a direct quote from page 5/5 of it:

    A 2008 study of 25 girls who had been seen in Zucker’s clinic showed positive results; 22 were no longer gender-dysphoric, meaning they were comfortable living as girls. But that doesn’t mean they were happy. I spoke to the mother of one Zucker patient in her late 20s, who said her daughter was repulsed by the thought of a sex change but was still suffering—she’d become an alcoholic, and was cutting herself. “I’d be surprised if she outlived me,” her mother said.



    So, please. Stop spreading your poorly researched OPINION that gender dysphoria is a myth. You've clearly never experienced it (just as a heterosexual has never experienced attraction to their own sex) and trivializing people's feelings is a really shitty thing to do.

    But I guess everyone here has forgotten that there was once a time when homosexuality was considered both a mental disorder AND a myth.

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  32. @ 10:20 If my desire to medically transition to another sex is homophobia" err.... who said that?

    Also so what if I said hetero instead of transsexual. Homophobia is homophobia from trans or het. It doesn't matter.

    Also your 'heterophobia' is ridiculous. Like reverse racism is nonsense. Why don't you start standing up for 'white rights' as well lol

    Your whole argument is weird. Stop embarrassing yourself. You'll be mansplaining misogyny next like Jared.

    What the Trans* said to Dirt was HOMOPHOBIC

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  33. Anon 10:55: And what Dirt says about trans people is still not very nice, no matter what you want to call it. It doesn't need to be anythingphobic to be nasty.

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  34. “Nobody gets to be completely right all the time, and if such a feminist existed, she would divorce herself from mentally-ill women like Dirt.”

    “Nobody gets to be completely right all the time…”

    Or, just make more excuses for utterly misogynistic and lesbian phobic statements coming from some FTMs.

    "...she would divorce herself from mentally-ill women like Dirt.”


    First of all, please read the post from the enraged FTM before you decide who is and isn’t mentally ill. Please read every sentence then tell me if the words and phrases sound extremely deranged and excruciating misogynistic. If one has no defense whatsoever for outrageous conduct or speech then an all too common tactic is to slander the person’s character.
    By the way, gender dysphoria or GID (gender identity disorder) is still considered a psychiatric disorder. A physician isn’t going to surgically remove both healthy breasts in a female or give her years of testosterone without a reason. The reason for “transitioning” is “gender dysphoria” which is clearly a psychiatric disorder. As I understand it, gay and lesbian was taken out of the DMS (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual). I’m NOT saying that all transmen are mentally ill, but without a psychiatric diagnosis of “gender dysphoria”, “transitioning” (testosterone and surgery) isn’t possible. So, before getting both their healthy breasts surgically removed and taking testosterone for years, FTMs have to see a therapist or a psychiatrist.
    Although it should be evident to any rational person that the ravings of the FTM in question were most disturbing, I won’t go as far as to call all transmen crazy.

    “If my desire to medically transition to another sex is homophobia, then a woman's desire to sleep with another woman is heterophobia.”

    What a weird statement this is! Is this person saying that lesbians harbor heterophobia? Lesbians have been called dykes, bulldaggers, and man haters by homophobic people, but calling lesbians “heterophobic” is most interesting. Perhaps calling lesbians “heterophobic” is another way of saying lesbians should like penis just like heterosexual women. Well, this is nothing new, but I give this person bonus points for coming up with something I’ve never heard of. In all honesty, I liked it better when we were just dykes.

    As to homophobia, THIS IS HOMOPHOBIA:

    "fugly ass dyke"

    "bulldagging bitch"

    These words in addition to half a dozen references to “bitches” thrown in for good measure came from a homophobic FTM transman.

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  35. Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

    Leave people alone, you ugly ass cunt. Go fuck yourself with a broken beer bottle.

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  36. Fuck all you self righteous bitches and hoes. Better to be a gay man than any kind of smelly twat bitch.

    You sit there and talk shit about trans people and then act all shocked when one fires back. Well FUCK YOU!

    No wait, the LAST thing I would want to do is stick any part of my body in one of your smelly disease infested cunts!

    So better yet, GO DIE IN A FUCKING FIRE, BITCHES!!!

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  37. ^^^^Typical homophobic and violent sexists reactions from Genderqueers who are faced with reality & scientific research.

    Radfems ain't the problem in all this.

    I'd never heard of radfems til I started seeing Transinsanity and their violent outpouring towards females and esp. lesbians.

    Genderqueers will turn more females onto feminism than ever before. That is the only good thing that will happen in all this Transinsanity.



    FEMALE DEF: Female (♀) is the sex of an organism, or a part of an organism, which produces non-mobile ova (egg cells).

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  38. FEMALE DEF: Female (♀) is the sex of an organism, or a part of an organism, which produces non-mobile ova (egg cells).


    Dear genderqueers NOBODY is going to change the whole basis of the scientific discovery of reproduction ever, EVER just to suit your 'theory'.

    It's not ever going to happen!

    I'm sure the religious right goes nuts because of the refusal to change evolution in schools to fit their 'theory' that god made us in 7 days.

    Have your gender 'theory' and leave the rest of us alone in SCIENTIFIC REALITY please!!!

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  39. I'm pretty sure the latest batch of ftm-authored hate spew is lesbian trolls trying to make ftm's look bad. Anyway, it's kind of telling that you are so taken aback by rage that seems completely understandable, if not very classy. If I started a blog claiming that lesbians are not what they say they are, that they are mentally-ill, child molesters and that their lives are devoid of love, I'd expect some disrespectful vitriol from lesbians. What I wouldn't do is stand back and say, "See? look how hateful and sick they are" because of their angry responses. Why is there no adequate response to this very obvious dynamic here?

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  40. ^^^^@9:35

    a) you first state it's probably not ftm's but stealth lesbians giving ftm's a bad name and then contradict yourself by explaining why it would be ftm's and why the hate is understandable.

    b) Yes I do understand. On a personal level I never met a lesbian who had a problem with Trans* UNTIL THEY ATTACKED US with all this hate, misogyny and homophobia.

    c) Personally I don't think it is transsexuals, intersexed or ocassional cross dressers but this new batch of 'genderqueer transfeminists' who are causing all the trouble. So much so that transsexuals, intersexed and ocassional cross dressers don't want anything to do with them either. The LGB have had enough them too because of homophobia and feminists because of all their misogyny.

    They have NO ALLIES because of the way they behave.

    So yes I do understand. In the words of a famous song "we didn't start the fire"

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  41. There's nothing more bizarre than seeing a genderqueer woman (born male) wearing the feminist and female symbol which represents (ankh) life and the womb screaming at a non-trans woman that her womb means f**kall.

    One has to wonder, if they are going to appropriate other minorities symbols why they can't make the effort to at least try to understand them.

    Feminists who gravitate towards MotherGoddess aspects of female and/or feminism are not '***scum'. They are not responsible for your gender dyshoria!

    I read the other day a transrant on FB about an 8 year old female who wrote "I'm a girl because I can have babies"...was not allowed anymore!

    They go too far. It is NOT homophobic for a straight woman to discuss her male partner. It's not heteronormative either. It is a heterosexual BEING a heterosexual.

    It is not anti-trans for FEMALES to discuss BEING FEMALES.

    We are not responsible for your gender dysphoria!!!!!

    We will not deny our own reality any longer to pander to your weird demands!!!!!!

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  42. “So, please. Stop spreading your poorly researched OPINION that gender dysphoria is a myth. You've clearly never experienced it (just as a heterosexual has never experienced attraction to their own sex) and trivializing people's feelings is a really shitty thing to do.”

    I am not saying that gender dysphoria is a myth. I do not mean to trivialize anyone’s feelings. Also, thanks for trying to be respectful. I appreciate it. What exactly is “gender dyshporia", and how can it be completely separated from the culture in which one is raised? I was a tomboy when I was young and I was teased sometimes, but my parents didn’t drag me to a therapist or have a doctor prescribe puberty suppressing drugs so my breasts wouldn’t develop. One of the main problems with transgender that I see is that it just re-enforces stereotypical masculine and feminine behaviors that society constantly forces on people the instant that they are born. That is, girls and women must act, dress, and think one way to be considered "feminine", and only boys are supposed to behave certain ways to be considered "masculine". Again, what is "gender dysphoria"? Is it an actual overwhelming uneasiness with one's own body, or intense feelings of rejection because one doesn't fit neatly into societal views of what is appropriate behavior? We can't completely separate people from cultural and family influences. Instead of surgically changing one's body to fit perfectly into the stereotypical view of masculine and feminine, why not change society and the way it views gender itself. Eliminate gender altogether instead of re-enforcing gender stereotypes.

    There might be some people who are so “gender dysphoric” that it is debilitating. Perhaps a few rare individuals could benefit from “transitioning”, but I question 90% of what I've observed. Fifteen and sixteen year old girls are already talking about "T" (testosterone). I’m especially disturbed at five and six year old children being slapped with labels of gender identity disorder. In this Washington Post video, a five year old “transgender” girl is already being called “he” by her parents. Google Trans Kids Purple Rainbow and look at the young faces of these children.


    If the parent's of this five year old "transgender" biological female are already calling this little girl "he" because she wouldn't play with her sister's tinker bell doll, doesn't this just re enforce "gender identity disorder"?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/transgender-at-five/2012/05/19/gIQABfFkbU_story.html

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  43. “Every trans* person I know understands that sexual orientation has NOTHING TO DO WITH gender.”

    This is only partially true, and the research surrounding this issue has been around for some time. I guess that depends on how we define gender and trans. While it’s true that gender identity and sexual orientation are not the same thing, scientists have known for some time that many gender nonconforming children if left alone do, indeed, grow up to be gay or lesbian. This is nothing new, and we seem to intuitively know this. Yes, many boys who are a tad effeminate do grow up to be gay or bisexual men, and many little tomboys do grow up to be lesbian or bisexual women. That is, unless they are surgically or chemically castrated.

    According to my http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981931,

    "Most children with gender dysphoria will not remain gender dysphoric after puberty. Children with persistent GID are characterized by more extreme gender dysphoria in childhood than children with desisting gender dysphoria. With regard to sexual orientation, the most likely outcome of childhood GID is homosexuality or bisexuality."

    A science daily article says,

    "Research which follows these children to adulthood shows that between 50 to 80 per cent of gender nonconforming boys become gay, and about one third of such girls become lesbian"

    (source:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110707173319.htm/

    The correlation between childhood gender conformity or nonconformity and adult sexual orientation is well established.

    http://dbem.ws/Is%20There%20a%20Causal%20Link%3F.pdf

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  44. The level of animosity and base vitriol in this blog is getting rather frightening. In many ways, I can understand why the FTM who made the extremely lesbian phobic and misogynistic comments directed towards dirt said what she said. Society has been messing with female minds since forever. I mean since freaking forever, and I imagine some of it is bound to sink in sooner or later. I know transmen identity as male, but FTMs are still born as female children, and can't completely escape all the **it that girls experience. I don't think Dirt means to directly attack transmen, but tries to point out how society forces all girls to comply with rigid, stereotypical views of femininity. If we are wrong about "transitioning" (surgery and hormones), then isn't this just another form of mutilation of female bodies? How can we say with all certainty that internalized misogyny doesn't play a role in "transitioning"? There are some profound ethical issues that some refuse to even entertain.

    Dirt, butch lesbians ARE beautiful and courageous. As to the FTM in question, I'm not saying all FTMs are as misogynistic and lesbian phobic as the sad and pathetic person who called Dirt such horrible names. I acknowledge the humanity of all humans including FTMs.

    No one can silence truth for very long. In my opinion, there is an element of internalized misogyny in the craze to "transition" in which female identity itself is surgically scraped away with a scalpel. Perhaps not in all cases, but this is something I can feel in my bones.

    Dirt, stay strong...I love you as a sister.

    Happy Labor Day! Go out and enjoy a picnic in the park....

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  45. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, says "proud, strong, butch" to me more than a woman suggesting that transpeople are child molesters.

    Really good, strong arguments should ALWAYS include some hateful slander. You know, for credibility.

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  46. Anon @335p-

    "By the way, gender dysphoria or GID (gender identity disorder) is still considered a psychiatric disorder."

    Yes. It is. That's why the trans* community and their allies (which do exist, thanks Anon at 335a) are lobbying to have it removed from the DSM-V.

    There are actually two possible culprits that scientists DID discover in trans* people's genetics in 2008 (in Australia, and I forget where else) that can prove that people are born transgender the same way people are born gay or lesbian or bisexual or whathaveyou. Oh, and there was no correlation between these genes and sexual orientation.

    I wish there were more research, and I can guarantee that if the population of the trans* community and their allies were comparable to that of the LGB community and allies... There would be gobs of research and we wouldn't be categorized as a mental disorder either.

    "Is this person saying that lesbians harbor heterophobia?"

    No, I was saying that the idea that a lesbian's attraction to women being internalized heterophobia is as ridiculous as the idea that my desire to medically transition being some form of internalized homophobia.

    Anon @335a-

    "Yes I do understand. On a personal level I never met a lesbian who had a problem with Trans* UNTIL THEY ATTACKED US with all this hate, misogyny and homophobia."

    Really, because I feel the same but vice versa, having never met a trans* person who had problems with anyone else until blogs like Dirt's started calling us awful things. Can we agree that we'll never really know who truly "started the fire" and just PUT IT OUT? Do you know what fire does? It burns. Without stopping, without pity, and without discrimination. Fire can only continue burning everything it touches until nothing is left. I'm tired of all the hate being slung back and forth especially when the only hate I feel is that being slung at me. And feeling hated is actually the worst feeling I know. I don't even hate Dirt in spite of all the horrible things she says about me and those like me.

    But really... Can we please just get along? Really.

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