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Thursday, June 21, 2012

Trans Trending-Who is Transitioning



http://www.youtube.com/user/Lukesdifferent (age 20)

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtzTnThXXDNTRbfqW7eO8Gw (age 22)

http://www.youtube.com/user/RossKoehler (20)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Castle11o1 (age 19)

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRidakulous (21)


http://www.youtube.com/user/cascadingconclusion5 (17)

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcEXCOpS2sljGnhjVRFnwWw (age 16)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wgo2wV31mQ&feature=plcp (age 16)

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrGamer43 (age 16)

It is striking how much these Trans Trenders resemble early transitioners, the autogynephiles (hetero-white white males who fetishize the patriarchal notion of "woman"). In the early days of transition there was a kind of underground railroad amongst autogynephiles. It was through this snail mail underground that autogynesphiles in transition communicated to their fellow autogynephiles wanting to transition, just what to tell the Harry Benjamins doling out hormones and surgeries. The tick box list making sure to specify the autogynephile in question had from his earliest memories thought himself a girl, played/dressed (when he could) with/in girls toys/clothes, was attracted to boys/men (homosexual) and most importantly didnt get erections from wearing womens clothing.

Sites like Youtube fuction in a very similar manner to the old underground snail mail railroad. It is only a fragment of female transitioners who actually suffer from any level of dysphoria, let alone a level debilitating them to their core. There is a psychosomatic/Stockholm Syndromeness that takes place, after viewing copious amounts of trans videos. This mass trans narrative is injecting itself in the minds of our (primarily) lesbian youth like a shot of testosterone in the blood. And with each video viewed these young womens minds are metastasized towards believing they really were born-in-the-wrong-body. As insane, dangerous and deadly as the Male Medical Machine's treatment for the trans social disorder, what has become more flagitious, is this mass trans narrative being loud speakered from every available media outlet heat seeking a vulnerable ear like a missile. And leaving in its wake an unrecognizable mental landscape littered with ashes of its former self.

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  1. I tried sending an email but couldn't get it to work.

    I found this on Urban Dictionary and thought you should know. There must be a way to get it taken down.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20dirt%20from%20Dirt

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  2. from the definition of this blog:
    That bitch needs to stop blogging and get in the kitchen.
    says it all.

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  3. There is no such thing as "transphobia". It's a made-up word designed to guilt people and force your beliefs down their throats whether they believe the same thing as you or not.

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  4. Anon@9:42: All words are made-up so what exactly is your point? I could use your argument only replace the word "trans" with "butch" and suddenly it turns on its head. Maybe some people believe that butch is a made-up word designed to describe self-styled lesbians and forced down the throats of everyone who agrees with the concept of butch or not.

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  5. Butch has a historical background created by lesbians for lesbians that has NEVER involved the male medical machine, shooting up drugs for the rest of your life and hacking off healthy body parts.

    dirt

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  6. Ok, I have to get this out because the constant misogyny online is about to make my head EXPLODE:

    Why is it every time someone disagrees with a woman online, they have to use degrading language, tell the woman where her "place" is, or use rape threats? I don't agree with Dirt on everything (I never agree 100% with anyone on everything, I should mention), but damn, we're all adults and should act like it, no?

    I am on a local forum (full of self-important hipster dudebros), and the irony is rich. They scream out one side of the mouth for liberal this and feminist that. But out the other side of the mouth, they gang up to rip me apart for discussing, you know, TOPICS like politics, music, and economics. The other women there are Playing Femininity in a Proper, Non-Threatening Way. Grown-ass women in their 30s and even 40s simpering and fainting over cupcakes, SHOES!!!, Brazilian wax, vacuous celebrities, and ugly hipster outfits. I'm the outlaw because I don't agree that a woman's place is at the shoe store and the waxing salon and actually want to talk issues. Liberal AND conservative men BOTH do this crap and it got tired five years ago.

    Not everyone agrees with Dirt's views on transgender issues. Or butches, or the LGBT community, or hell, maybe someone thinks the Rosenburgs should have been executed, who knows? But for chrissakes, try to meet her where she's at and just argue your damn side in a calm, factual way, without resorting to threats and tired tropes about a woman's place, ok? I've seen people do just that in the comments, so clearly it can be done. Misogyny as rebuttal isn't just nasty. It's LAZY.

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  7. Ali, what the hell do you mean you dont agree with me on everything???...lol

    Digressing, or regressing or maybe just dressing, but when you are working to literally EMBODY misogyny, there is nowhere else to go, but misogyny.

    And personally I love the kitchen, cooking has and always will be a great pleasure. I learned to cook from the best, my dad!

    dirt

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  8. "try to meet her where she's at and just argue your damn side in a calm, factual way"

    I truly believe that the most stupid, misogynistic comment are either Dirt or her supporters trying to make transpeople look bad. I'm sure that there are misogynistic transmen out there, just as I know misogynistic dykes out there who believe femmes should be in the kitchen. ALL of us are susceptible to stupidity.

    In asking us to meet here where "she's at", you are asking us to swallow the lies and hatred she is attempting to germinate. Not only does she claim we don't exist, she's attempting to portray us as rage-filled, misogynistic rapists. Rapists who can never have successful lives or loves. This is not a woman who is simply "questioning" the concept of gender or the existence of transpeople in a thoughtful and provocative way. This is a woman who is obsessed with portraying our lives and psychologies in a false, negative and vile way. Hitler himself ALSO thought he was doing the good work by portraying jews in much the same way. Words are powerful. And you ask us to be civil in response? Do you not think that there is still enough hatred and fear of transpeople in the wide world? Do you not think that she is feeding into the immediate distrust of us that many people *already* harbor? As for Dirt herself, I feel sorry for her. I think she is already in a sort of hell of her own making. I appeal to the stronger intellects of some of her more thoughtful readers, many of whom become disgusted after realizing that she is nothing more than a hate-monger. As far as I'm concerned, that's where she's "at". I do my best to be logical and civil in deference to her other readers who are not insane.

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  9. Actually there is no such evidence to suggest Hitler thought he was doing "good", quite the opposite in fact. Someone needs to reread their unopened copy of Mein Kampf. I'd lend you my very worn copy, but I dont lend books, they are much much to precious to me.

    And how exactly is dismantling the GSJ bad??? Because once that happens the worst of misogyny will be removed from society and there will no longer be females who develop ED's or the trans disorder or a host of other disorders both real and created by the MMM?

    The trans community is heavily invested in maintaining misogyny, because without it, their trans identity no longer exists and they will fall into a full blown identity crisis. There isnt a single trans group working to eradicate misogyny, no one, past or present. Those are the facts.

    dirt

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  10. @Dirt: That's all very good, but butch is still a made-up word. The argument put forward by the anon above my comment doesn't stand up at all and was a weak response to the comment from a user which has since mysteriously disappeared. You cannot possibly use the excuse that "butch" was created by lesbians for lesbians and therefore it's okay to use. What about "male medical machine"? I'd never even heard of that phrase until I stumbled across this blog. Lo and behold if you google it, the first result is a link to this blog. What that basically means is that you, as a lesbian, have made up something which is not used to describe lesbians, but used in the context of deriding transgender people. So it's alright for you to create words and phrases and use them as you see fit even if they are applied to non-lesbians, but for someone else to use a word which at the very least most people have heard of it suddenly becomes unacceptable?

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  11. Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: 'by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.' 
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

    "I hope to see the very concept of Jewry completely obliterated." HImmel

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  12. "There isnt a single trans group working to eradicate misogyny, no one, past or present. Those are the facts. "

    Then why not initiate one? You don't need to be trans, or even supportive of it to create a community to harbour positive thoughts and behaviours. You'll be far more likely to convince people of your beliefs by working with them instead of railing against them.

    I have to say, I wasn't thrilled about a lot of the content in this blog before reading this post & thread, and while I still think you're more promoting hatred as opposed to presenting truly thought-provoking concepts, I'm beginning to think that the hate speech isn't really what you're going for (correct me if I'm wrong). I read this thread as seeming to have a great deal more humanity in it, which I'm very excited to see.

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  13. @2:32

    What? Butches are real. "Transphobia" is not, it's a go-to for whenever a trans person doesn't like the way they're being treated, how they're being spoken to, etc. It's bullshit of the highest order.

    Anyone is free to see themselves however they please -- the world doesn't have to agree or support it. My response was to a comment that appears to have been deleted about dirt displaying "transphobia".

    Last time I checked, disagreeing with something or even not liking something doesn't make one phobic of it. I sure don't like spiders, but that doesn't make me arachnophobic. Also, butch has never been used by people who identify as one to shame, guilt or force their opinions on anyone.

    Don't use stupid words. "Transphobia" is a gateway drug to other nonsense like "cissexism".

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  14. @6:52: No... If you have a look at your post you will see that you said "It's a made-up word" in reference to transphobia. The word transphobia itself does actually exist. I'm merely pointing out that all words are made up. Regardless of the use of the word butch, it's still as fabricated as any other word we use to describe ourselves or people around us. Perhaps you should have said that transphobia is a word which is often misinterpreted and offered an explanation of its meaning with some context earlier on rather than resorting to calling the word itself "stupid" later. How are the words you see as stupid any more so than many of the words and phrases that Dirt herself uses? Is it not possible that many people find things such as "gender straight jacket" stupid and nonsensical? It's not words that are stupid - it's how people use them that is.

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  15. @7:36

    When you reduce yourself to arguing semantics, it's fairly obvious you have no argument.

    There is no such thing as "transphobia", and trying to appropriate "butch" into the same context is silly.

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  16. Right on Anon @ 8:50.

    Also to Dirt "butch has a historical background..", so does transexuality and crossdressing.
    George Hamilton (born female) 1700s, Count Sandor V (also born female) in the 1800s both of these lived as men and married women. And Vita Sackville West in the 1920s.

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  17. "Butches only exist as a stubborn precursor to transness. There is no thing that defines butchness at all that does not hinge on male culture, clothing, male attributes. Why, it's not as if butches have based their gendered way of being on some random, other-gendered culture. It's *male*. Not random, not defiant, not choice or freedom based, not interesting, not unique, not revolutionary in ANY WAY."

    It is not true that butches only exist as a stubborn precursor to transness. I am a butch lesbian, and I have no desire whatsoever to have both my healthy breasts surgically removed, take testosterone for the rest of my life, or to surgically mutilate my exquisitely beautiful female genitals. I am fully capable of loving my body as it is. I identify as lesbian not transgender. I have never identified as male, and it’s frankly rather ignorant and misogynistic to assume that one has to be either male or female. Butch lesbians aren’t male. They are spirited and courageous women who rebel against traditional, patriarchal male and female sex roles. In reality, transmen fit neatly into the same, tired old traditional views of how males and females should appear. That is, women must act one way and males must act another. If a woman doesn’t act feminine enough, this must automatically mean she is a male, or should be a male. It simply is lesbian phobic and misogynistic to the core to state that “there is no thing that defines butchness that that does not hinge on male culture, clothing, male attributes.” This is the very definition of a male centric culture. When a genetic female proudly states that the whole world essentially revolves around male attitudes and male culture, it’s both frightening and amusing to me. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I noticed that this individual repeatedly states, “male culture” and “male attributes”. Aren’t most transmen genetic females? To me, it’s so strange and shocking that genetic females who are born as girl children from a mother’s womb are only capable of acknowledging “male culture”. Unlike transmen, butches have no interest in becoming male which, by the way, can never be truly achieved if one is genetic female. Genetic females can never fully be male, and butch lesbians don’t even try. We don’t even pretend it’s a possibility. We simply go about our daily lives loving ourselves the way we are, Butches like to wear men’s clothing because it’s more comfortable, and men’s clothing usually last longer. Men’s clothing is easier to work in. Butches know how to fix cars, and we also know how to be gourmet chefs.

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  18. Question: Has there ever been a time in recorded history in which sexism, misogyny, and the mutilation of women’s bodies have not existed in one form or another?

    Question: How is it possible to clearly distinguish between “gender dysphoria” and cultural views of women which no doubt does lead to internalized misogyny?

    Let’s speak specifically about the FTMs because I simply refuse to accept the notion that internalized misogyny in one form or another doesn’t play a part in the explosion in the number of young women wanting to “transition”. There might be a few biological females who really are “gender dysphoric” and could benefit from so-called transitioning. However, when I see six-teen year old girls who can’t wait to get their breasts lopped off and to start testosterone, it concerns me. I’m struggling to understand what goes on in these young minds. Whether we want to admit it or not, what goes on in the minds of these young women can never be completely separated from the culture in which they are raised. When I think of puberty suppressing drugs given to twelve and thirteen year old “gender dysphoric” kids, it’s almost mind numbing it’s so shocking. Please google the Washington Post article about the five year old “transgender” girl. The parents are already referring to this girl as “he”. Because she didn’t play with her older sister’s tinker bell doll, this means she is “transgender”. In all honesty, this is sheer madness, and some people are finally refusing to remain silent. It doesn’t take a genius to know that women by and large are constantly devalued in society, and females receive these subtle and not so subtle messages of their inferiorty from the time they are born. We can’t pretend it doesn’t happen. Again, there might be a few women who really are “gender dysphoric”, but I honestly believe the vast majority of what I see is utter internalized misogyny coupled with a real fear and revulsion of lesbians, especially butch lesbians. Some FTMs have said that they transition because they want the status and privilege of being seen as men. It’s economics. This isn’t “gender dysphoria” as much as a way to escape an extremely misogynistic society that constantly devalues women.

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  19. “Not random, not defiant, not choice or freedom based, not interesting, not unique, not revolutionary in ANY WAY.”

    From the ancient practice of Chinese foot binding to female genital mutilation, the mutilation of female bodies is certainly nothing new. It’s not unique because it has always existed. It certainly isn’t revolutionary. Isn't "transitioning" as it relates to FTM just another way of saying (1.) elective mastectomies in healthy young women, (2.) a life time commitment to testosterone, (3.) and the possibility of genital mutilation? Do we dare to ask this question? Is the process of transitioning to FTM just another form of deeply internalized misogyny?

    “At least transmen have the cajones to accept the responsibilities and consequences that go with unequivocally being seen as male in the culture.”

    I’ve never completely viewed most transmen as unequivocally male. I’m sorry, but I don’t. Speaking from strictly a scientific point of view, transmen aren’t unequivocally male. They can never be unequivocally male. Males father children and produce sperm, and they have a natural source of testosterone. I view transmen as women who have chosen to take on the outward physical appearance of males through the surgical and/or chemical mutilation of their beautiful female bodies. Again, I am truly sorry if this offends anyone.
    I know some people think butch lesbians in general are the most obstinate and despicable people on the planet. This is what people need to understand. I’m going to say this as plainly as I know how. Butches deeply love women. I mean really love women. When butch lesbians read about five year old “transgender” girls whose parents are already referring to as “he”, it breaks our hearts. When butch lesbians read about puberty suppressing drugs given to “gender dysphoric” twelve year olds, it’s as if a piece of our hearts breaks. The ghosts of thousands of lesbians almost weep. My heritage goes all the way back to Sappho in ancient Greece. On the extremely long time line of history, the surgical and chemical creation of outwardly appearing “males” is merely a tiny dot on this rather long time line. I don’t know how we came to this particular point in time. Six-teen year old girls see Chaz Bono “Dancing With the Starts”, and they can’t wait to get their breasts lopped off. Well, I can’t remain silent any longer, and I’m in this for the long haul. We are already hearing personal accounts of women who decided to stop testosterone because of the side effects. This is just the beginning. This butch lesbian isn’t going anywhere.

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  20. “Also to Dirt "butch has a historical background..", so does transexuality and crossdressing.
    George Hamilton (born female) 1700s, Count Sandor V (also born female) in the 1800s both of these lived as men and married women. And Vita Sackville West in the 1920s.”
    My heritage goes all the way back to Sappho in ancient Greece. Same sex erotic attraction is as old as human kind itself. As to George Hamilton and Count Sandor, I have never heard of these individuals. All that can be said about these people is that they liked to dress in men’s clothes. Why did they live and dress as males? Did they actually believe they were males trapped in a woman’s body, or were they pretending to be male because the lives of women were so wretched, miserable, and unbearably horrific in the 1700s? Compared to what women went through, what reasonable person wouldn’t want to be a male in the 1700s? Is there any way to know exactly why they crossed dressed? Now, let’s fast forward and look at what is actually occurring today as I type this post? Today, we have puberty suppressing drugs for “gender dysphoric” twelve year old children. The surgical and/or chemical mutilation of women’s bodies as in FTM transitioning didn’t exist then. Many native tribes had two spirit people, but they weren’t surgically and chemically altered to take on the physical characteristics of the opposite sex.

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  21. "Butch has a historical background created by lesbians for lesbians that has NEVER involved the male medical machine, shooting up drugs for the rest of your life and hacking off healthy body parts."

    TRUE

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  22. “Hitler himself ALSO thought he was doing the good work by portraying jews in much the same way. Words are powerful. And you ask us to be civil in response? Do you not think that there is still enough hatred and fear of transpeople in the wide world? Do you not think that she is feeding into the immediate distrust of us that many people *already* harbor?”

    If you are going to throw the name of Hitler around like you know what you are talking about, let’s go all the way. Didn’t the Nazi regime do a lot of experimenting on people, even children? When I think of twelve and thirteen year old children given puberty suppressing drugs for “gender dysphoria”, I envision some kind of ghoulish experiment reminiscent of the Third Reich. If cross gender hormones are given immediately after puberty suppressing drugs, do you know what can happen? These children can become sterile. Since we are talking about brutal regimes, I can’t think of a more repressive society than Iran. After all, who doesn’t love the Ayatollah. According to Wikipedia, as of 2008,Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognized on the birth certificate. Homosexuality is punishable by death, but the government helps pay for sex reassignment surgery. It’s the outward appearance of gayness that they simply will not tolerate. If the effeminate gay men can be “fixed” so that they are now surgically created women, at least it takes on the outward appearance of heterosexuality and traditional sex roles. As to Hitler, homosexuals were put to death alongside the disabled before this monster ever got around to the mass killing of Jews. Homosexuals wore pink triangles on their sleeves while Jews wore the Star of David.

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  23. I sure hope nobody is implying that Vita Sackville-West was 'trans' because she dressed in male clothing to be able to covort openly with her (true) love Violet! Besides, she spent much of her time as a married mother...
    -from a non-butch romantic trans-skeptic

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  24. I'm not sure why anyone brought up hitler in the first place. However, after he came into power, the nazis promptly closed down Magnus Hirschfeld's Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin. Hirschfeld was part of the beginning of the whole transgender concept/experimentation including operating on Lili Elbe - one of the first "sex-change" operation experiments. They all ended badly.

    Anyway, I know I've explained recently why Lesbians today are so likely to fall for the "trans cure" (this is the desire for normalization minorities in society face combined with being seen as freaks/bottom of the barrel in society as Lesbians, and so having no/low self-confidence). Also they tend to be labile and have other problems as well.
    A transman is simply not a man, they just mimmick men.
    With this trend it seems like we're back in 1800.
    Germany

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  25. @7:55: Semtantics? You're the one who threw your toys out of the pram when your argument was called out for being a prime example of what a child who fails to understand a basic concept does: "I don't like it = it's stupid". You haven't answered any of my questions most likely because you have no explanation and can't defend your choice to believe that certain words are stupid beyond saying that they are. You could at least offer an explanation why you believe such a thing.

    See, this is the thing about Dirt's blog. She constantly twitters on about how she wants to debate and deconstruct the gender straight jacket. I have no problem with that as it's only right that all concepts, ideas, beliefs and practices are challenged and debated, but you're never going to get off the starting post if you can't get past being challenged on why you think the whole shebang is "stupid".

    Anon @ 1:13: Your recorded heritage goes all the way back to Sappho in ancient Greece but it probably goes back much further than that, just as trans people probably do. There are hundreds of examples of people switching genders in ancient history. Nero with Sporum, Sardanapalus and Gregory of Tours' stories are just a few. Folklore has even more, and since mass literacy is a modern invention, the fact that switching gender occurs so frequently in folklore and mythology shows that it was a concept early people were familiar with. We'll probably never know if people practiced any sort of surgery back then, but it's not impossible and regardless of the circumstances of the change of gender in these stories, it's obvious that the idea of changing sex was something these people knew about.

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  26. Anon @10:15 - Like it or not, the concept of trans goes back only a bit over 100 years, as has already been painstakingly explained.
    I have never heard of any archaological evidence of artifacts (for instance found in graves) which could be interpreted as "packers", "STP" devices, etc. No marks on bones from breast removal operations, etc.
    Why is that? Because it's a modern western concept.
    Germany

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  27. Anon@11:04 - No one ever said here that they wished any harm on any "trans" person, let alone round them up for any reason.
    Just trying to find a way for these young women to stand up and be OK with how they are, without feeling the need to medically mangle themselves for a crock of BS. I fully admit if this had come along 25 years ago, I would have very likely fallen for it as well.
    Germany

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  28. I have never heard of any archaological evidence of artifacts (for instance found in graves) which could be interpreted as "packers", "STP" devices, etc. No marks on bones from breast removal operations, etc.
    Why is that? Because it's a modern western concept.


    Anon @ 11:27, if that statement wasn't so painfully insulting to archaeological practice, theory and thinking it would be hilarious. Please search "Grave Goods Do Not a Gender Make: A Case Study from Singen Am Hohentwiel, Germany", "Sein und Werden: Gender As Process In Mortuary Practice". To quote from the first paper:

    "The data indicated that, at least at Singen, one cannot explain the evidence solely by a rigid set of rules based not too subtly upon an idealized view of the Western European two-gendered system. Scholars need to consider the possibilities for other kinds of gender systems during the end Neolithic and early Bronze Age."

    And the second:

    "Why is the sex/gender distinction important for archaeologists? Ambiguous correlations between (biological/morphological) sex and (extrasomatic) gender in individual burials are more common in the archaeological record than is generally recognized or acknowledged. The complexities of what appear to be mutable gender configurations are often glossed over or ignored in archaeological interpretation".

    The argument that the concept of trans is a modern invention reeks of chronocentrism and doesn't hold up when you drag archaeology into. People have only been writing things down for the equivalent of five minutes of human history. Claiming heritage "all the way back" to Sapphos in Ancient Greece (which isn't really that ancient) is short-sighted when people are questioning gender categories and expressions as far back as the Neolithic period. It is startlingly inaccurate to say that trans has never been suggested as a very real possibility in the archaeological record. If you haven't heard of it, you've obviously not looked very hard or cannot interpret things for yourself.

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  29. Anon@ 12:43 - Please cite archaeological evidence for people having surgically altered their bodies as evidence for your "trans" hypothesis. Evidence on bones, some kind of pictoral dipictions of these operations,(even a "packer"/"STP" found in a grave) etc. Something concrete. Nothing wishy-washy about gender, cross-dressing, no Intersex etc.

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  30. @Anon 1:03:

    1: Archaeological thought and theory is not directly concerned with artefacts. You are confusing archaeology with antiquarianism. A common mistake, but still a mistake with a huge distinction nonetheless.

    2: Should such artefacts have ever existed, they would most likely have been degradable and therefore have not survived.

    3: May I enquire why you assume that a mastectomy carried out in pre-history would leave marks on bones? If there is a paeleoanthropologist out there reading this who could supply an answer, I'd like to know (because much like claiming work concerning the archaeological record written by archaeologist is "wishy washy", I'd be much more inclined to believe the opinion of someone who is trained to analyze ancient remains than an armchair philosopher who makes it obvious they know precisely diddly-squat about either subject).

    4: Following on from the above, citing academic sources by respected authors is not "wishy-washy". Thinking that finding an "ancient packer" will provide evidence of anything is. Demanding proof of such a thing is the classic sign of someone looking to be spoon-fed interpretations by another person. Please provide me evidence to the contrary that trans people have not existed throughout the ages.

    5: The vast majority of societies which have ever lived did not record their history either through a form of writing or pictorial art. Do you believe that everything we will ever know about Egypt, Rome and Greece is contained within their writings? If so, why bother studying their material culture at all? Lesbians didn't pop into existence when Sapphos penned some poems. Claiming heritage back to that point in history is really quite a sad thing to do. If people are attempting to claim heritage back to a fixed-point in history then everyone's history has to start somewhere and if what you say about trans being historically traceable for only around a hundred years (which I dispute - naming something which has always existed doesn't mean it didn't exist before it had a name) then it doesn't make trans history less valid or valuable because it doesn't stretch back as far as Lesbos.

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  31. Anon@1:32 -
    I knew you couldn't cite anything. It's true the supposed operations would have been on the "soft tissue": breasts in the case of MtF and groin area in MtF, and unlikely to have left marks on bones.
    Secondly, I suspect the theoretical prehistoric "packers" and "STP" devices would be (at least partially)out of wood or horn/antler, and I've personally excavated wood features several thousands of years old, and bone up to 10,000 B.P. I would think you could find at least one example for me.
    I'm not claiming any kind of "heritage", or even mention Sappho, I just want some evidence for your trans hypothesis, because I believe the historical record. It doesn't make you less valid as a person in any way, but you should look reality in the eye. The concept of trans, and medically attempting to "transition", started in Europe a bit over 100 years ago.

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  32. "I’ve never completely viewed most transmen as unequivocally male. I’m sorry, but I don’t. "

    What you don't seem to be getting is that you and your opinion don't matter. Nobody cares if a handful of angry butches don't "view" us as male. That's not the world we live in. Transitioning works and passing happens. What I was writing about is the sociological effects of that-positive and negative. The whole big world out there is much larger than your gay community, and that's where transmen live. Many thousands of us have nothing to do with any gay community at all, have no conception of how trans relates to gay. It's only *you* who look at us and see lost "butches". I'm sorry that it breaks your heart, but you need to deal with your grief and question your motives because your thinking is fucked up. Do you care about these individuals living their lives the way they see fit? Or are you more invested in seeing butches around you because it makes you feel safe and secure? I can see how it would make a person very sad, after having built their life and beliefs around the existence of butches, femmes, what have you. Just because you have lived your life in this time frame, with these words and this sociological meaning, does not make any of that more "real" than transitioners lives and meanings. If you are worried about wayward youth transitioning, at best, you are will be able to bolster the identity of being "butch" by being an example of an awesome butch or supporting people who identify that way. Hinging your butch identity on NOT being trans doesn't look very good, strong, or proud. I don't see why a young "butch" would look at this blog and say, " hell yeah, I want to be like these women" . It's more likely she would say, " What the fuck is wrong with these people? Why are they attacking transmen, calling them all rapists and shit?"

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  33. my opinion (& i'm not 'butch') is that i don't care too much about what things people do to their bodies (as misguided as these things may be, & i don't approve of children being fed the trans-line when they don't 'do' their sex proper) but attaching it to gayess seems wrong. they not only seem untelated but almost opposite: gay = nothing wrong with you and you don't need correction, trans = you're in the wrong body and need treatment

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  34. Anon@2:29 - That's how trans started, it was Gay men who wanted to be "normal" end of the 1800's/beginning 1900's in Europe.

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  35. I find your antipathy to the term "intersex" puzzling. I am myself intersex, which doesn't mean "I'm transgender but pretending to be intersex"; I actually do have two genomes (one XX and one XY), one ovary and one testis, ambiguous genitalia, and a very uncertain inner notion of what gender I'm "supposed to be".

    Frankly, though, after reading your blurb at the top (about deleting anything that contains the prefix 'cis' or the word "intersex"), and then your "Read before commenting", I personally don't think you have anything to say, on any subject, that carries so much as a gram of credibility.

    Clearly, what you're trying to do is forbid the expression of contrary views by forbidding all language in which they may be expressed. Lovely Orwellian game, that -- the only problem is that it advertises how incapable you are of supporting your viewpoint by intellectually respectable means.

    Oh and incidentally: The above is my real name. At least I have the integrity to express my views publicly and accept responsibility and accountability for them. Do you have the balls (pun definitely intended) to express your vitriolic hatred of trans people in public, over your real name? (throws glove to pavement)

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  36. "This isn’t “gender dysphoria” as much as a way to escape an extremely misogynistic society that constantly devalues women."

    ...and that values transsexuals? Riiiiiggght. Good argument.

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  37. "Do you have the balls (pun definitely intended) to express your vitriolic hatred of trans people in public, over your real name? (throws glove to pavement)"

    I've been suggesting for months now that Dirt (Lynn Baker) and her supporters start tabling at trans and queer events, gay pride, trans conferences etc. They could have a big banner that says "We'll Tell You Who And What You Are!" or "You Are NOT Trans. You Are A Woman or a Man".

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  38. Yes, it is easier for society to deal with someone they can categorize as male in public, rather than a Lesbian. The public can't see that they're not really a man.

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  39. "Butches like to wear men’s clothing because it’s more comfortable,"

    Bullshit. Skirts are by far more comfortable. Long, flowy skirts are like wearing a cloud. Pants constrict, especially pants constructed for people with narrow hips worn by people with large hips. At least let's be clear about what's really happening. Butches reject their own femininity, but desire it in their partners. There's nothing radical about that. If we are going to talk about young trans kids getting warped ideas about who they are from trans culture, I'm going to talk about young butches getting warped ideas about who they are. They feel the pressure of masculinity too. Talk to a black stud. Sure, butches might fix cars and be chefs, but are they "free" enough to wear a skirt, have a baby, or do *any* damn thing? Are they free enough to proudly NOT know how to change a car tire or fix the plumbing without feeling like a failed butch?
    No. They are not. Because butch is based on societal expectations of men. I see very few people in ANY category who are actually *free* to be who they are. It doesn't matter whether you transition or not.

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  40. "Yes, it is easier for society to deal with someone they can categorize as male in public, rather than a Lesbian. The public can't see that they're not really a man."

    And is that the only place people exist? In relationship to society? We have no relationship to ourselves? There is no personal affect in knowing that your category is reviled, even when you are not immediately identifiable?
    Ask a femme.
    There is no physical danger of being found out at the gym or in the bathroom?
    So, for example, a guy did all this to be safe at the coffee shop and the car wash but was rejected by his butch "friends", disowned by his family, and his girlfriend continuously tries to tell him who he "really" is. Are you even hearing yourself? Your entire argument is based on a one-dimensional aspect of a life. I know why, and it's not your fault. You see some of us making this big deal out of gender. You are trying to deconstruct it and make sense of it. It seems superficial. You say, "why, I could transition too and my life would be easier" . But really think about it. Would it? What does it say about how you are viewing trans people? Did we sacrifice our right to be seen as whole humans because we are trans?

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  41. This thread exhibits some bad faith on the part of trans people. I won't bother to critique it, I'll just say, as a non-butch bisexual, your mudslinging doesn't apply to me at all, and yet I'm appalled at the way young women are drafted into your sick project. And some of you on this thread are showing the same disordered, defensive thinking that is so sad, coming from those brainwashed kids.

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  42. Notice, no trans female actually has an argument regarding this actual post. Its a constant look here and not there. If you cannot discuss the topic at hand, again, your comments will be removed. This isnt a post on Butch women or lesbians, it is a post on Trans Trending and the similarity between the authogynephic snail mail and YTs utilized to pass on the "correct" info to tell the MMM making transition possible.

    dirt

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  43. "The argument that the concept of trans is a modern invention reeks of chronocentrism and doesn't hold up when you drag archaeology into. People have only been writing things down for the equivalent of five minutes of human history. Claiming heritage "all the way back" to Sapphos in Ancient Greece (which isn't really that ancient) is short-sighted when people are questioning gender categories and expressions as far back as the Neolithic period. It is startlingly inaccurate to say that trans has never been suggested as a very real possibility in the archaeological record. If you haven't heard of it, you've obviously not looked very hard or cannot interpret things for yourself."

    "The concept of trans, and medically attempting to "transition", started in Europe a bit over 100 years ago."

    What exactly does "transition" entail? Trans activists simply refues to answer some very touchy subjects because to do so requires a great deal of critical thinking skills. Moreover, to even bring up some subjects requires rational people to face some troubling facts that they prefer to leave unanswered.

    Instead of citing some obscure data from God knows when and God knows where, let's focus on what exactly is going on as I type this post. Let's talk about "transitioning".

    FACT: The use of puberty suppressing drugs for the treatment of "gender dysphoria" is a recent phenomenon. By recent, I mean within the last decade or so. These are children who are denied normal adolescent development all in the name of "gender dyshporia". If we there is a possibility of sterilizing children, shouldn't we be absolutely sure of what we are doing?

    FACT: Transmen or FTMs have to take testosterone for the rests of their lives in order to appear masculine. At least we can agree on this fact. The facial hair and masculine appearance comes from an external source of testosterone. When was testosterone synthesized? The Organon group in the Netherlands were the first to isolate the hormone, identified in a May 1935 paper "On Crystalline Male Hormone from Testicles (Testosterone)". They named the hormone testosterone, from the stems of testicle and sterol, and the suffix of ketone. The structure was worked out by Schering’s Adolf Butenandt. Since synthetic testosterone has only been around since approximately the 1930s or 1940s, as it relates to FTMs or transmen, what the heck does this statement mean:

    "The concept of trans, and medically attempting to "transition", started in Europe a bit over 100 years ago."

    I hate to say this, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but biological females haven't been shooting up testosterone ever since the 1900s. No, this is patently false.

    "The argument that the concept of trans is a modern invention reeks of chronocentrism and doesn't hold up when you drag archaeology into it."

    FACT: The term "trans" itself is a modern word. Although I'm not an anthropologist, I'm not aware of any ancient cultures that actually called their gender variant people "trans".

    FACT: Same sex erotic or sexual attraction is as old as human kind. This is why I brought up the name of Sappho.

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  44. Anon@1:15am, the notion of "transition", like the lobotomy and used similarly, didnt occur until the 20th century.

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  45. Anon @4:36 - The first "trans" sex-change experiments were on Gay men, not women. It was about 100 years ago in Germany/Austria.
    Also I know in Germany in the GDR (East Germany) there were lots of female athletes who were given testosterone without their knowledge to improve performance.

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  46. Anon@6:17pm, From Auden's Sept 1st 1939 "Find what occurred at Linz,"!!! One could also add Vienna!

    But this is a perfect example of the trans disorder and how that disorder seriously affects thinking. Trans is ALL about surface, there is no bothering with reading between the lines, which has always been where our greatest truths live.

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  47. "Also I know in Germany in the GDR (East Germany) there were lots of female athletes who were given testosterone without their knowledge to improve performance."

    Yes, and many ended up regretting the way they were experimented on.

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  48. Anon@4:36pm, please refrain from using the nonsensical term "gender variant" as no such thing truly exists.

    dirt

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  49. Anon@4:51 - of course they did. After their athletic careers they were stuck with muscles that went to flab, balding heads, deeper voices + infertility. But that was a large group of women experimented on with testosterone (and other drugs) mid 1900's - 1989.

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  50. Anon@5:01, many also died from various cancers cause by years testosterone injections.

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  51. In the post Dirt said. "It is only a fragment of the female transitioners who actually suffer from any level of dysphoria, let alone a level debilitating them to their core."

    Truer words could not have been spoken! This is the very essence of what is wrong with the spreading "trans" meme! Because in fact there are those few for whom the dysphoria is so great that a medical transition can be a blessing and a gift. Those few who are so internally divided and who so hate their body that they will not and cannot live with it.

    Ironic isn't it then that to a one, the issue with them is/was the dysphoria and not the "gender?" They, unlike the trans who so liberally use this stolen meme for their own ends would have traded their soul for a cure other than the one they took, but there isn't one and so they did the next best thing such as it is...

    So how then do you get from those RARE FEW who would sell soul to not be pulled so, to this being the next best thing since sliced white bread? (or so it is being sold!)

    Again Dirt hit the nail on the head... It was the autogynophilacs on the other side of the coin back in the sixties and seventies (Google Charles Virginia Prince) who, as men will do, saw those few and realized that they could exploit this and take that narrative and subvert into "transgender" as a cover for what is basically nothing more than a fetish run amuck.

    Transvestite, being a rather common fetish among men, but because of the GSJ, and the threat to privilege it brings is, one of the more shameful ones, Well they were quick to seize this as their "out!" From there it was but a hop skip and a jump for some quick thinking man in a dress who realized that if he was playing dress up that the world might think it incumbent upon him to actually act as female... You know... Ewwww.... like accept a(another) man into his body?

    Now that, to most men is the penultimate transgression by any male and so not going to happen to these privileged white men! So what did they do? With irony in extremeis, they jumped on the new LG and sometimes B bandwagon as, "lesbian!" No need for them to stop boffing the little woman and start sucking cocks just because they raided her closet and her dignity? Why heck! they can keep right on on doing that with all their privileges intact and at the same time avoid being gay, ewww... by being a lesbian... and a very special one at that! They even got their own letter to this new alphabet soup the T in LGBT!

    So "trans" for the 99.9999% means that one can have ones cake and eat it too! All the privilege and not of the mess and bother... No wonder it is so attractive to young girls who are chaffing at the constraints being put on them by society to be good little princesses!

    Saddest part though? Sadder even than those legions of young girls buying this load or horse shit and mutilating their bodies? There will be a backlash to this at some point when the absurdity reaches it's nadir and it will be that tiny tiny few who have no other options who will pay the price...

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  52. Anon@1:10 writes, "Butches know how to fix cars, and we also know how to be gourmet chefs."

    Anon@1:10, will you marry me?

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  53. "It is only a fragment of the female transitioners who actually suffer from any level of dysphoria, let alone a level debilitating them to their core."

    Yes. I only met a handful of trans who were literally psychotic because of their dysphoria and/or dissociation.

    Its always taken for granted that people who wish to transition will become psychotic and suicidal if they can't. Thats why trans activists always bring up folk who have been sectioned or have done some serious harm to themselves. Unlike what the activists say, the few trans identifiers who are psychotic, disturbed etc. have been unstable for years BEFORE they latch onto the idea of transition. In case your wondering, personal experience!

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  54. Miz Know-It-All, I love your posts!

    Clear, precise, and accurate.

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  55. "So "trans" for the 99.9999% means that one can have ones cake and eat it too! All the privilege and not of the mess and bother... No wonder it is so attractive to young girls who are chaffing at the constraints being put on them by society to be good little princesses!"

    True, once again Ms. Know-It-All hits the nail on the head.

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  56. I also think that gender dysphora is very uncommon. But lately I see so much young FTM's in YouTube, it's hard to believe that they all suffer from gender dysphora.

    Like Dirt said, the communication on the internet makes it easier to share ideas and set a tone. I saw many FTM's who said they realized they were trans in their late teens. I saw chuldpics of lovely girls in skirts, long hair... even as a teenager.
    I don't get it, gender dysphora starts when you're born. It's visable at a very young age. They refuse to wear skirts and long hair and all the girly stuff.

    I saw a young FTM on YouTube who identified as FTM. But after 2 years she said that she had doubts and that she doesn't wanna continue. She wants to live a s a lesbian first and see what it brings her. That was a very brave thing to do!

    You can say I'm a butch. I look like a boy since I'm 4 years old. No way my mom could dress me as a girl.
    I'm not trans, I love my body too much. I feel like a man sometimes, but I don't wanna be a man.
    I can do I wanna do and be what I wanna be. I can act as a man and still be a girl, how fantastic is that?

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  57. "I also think that gender dysphora is very uncommon. But lately I see so much young FTM's in YouTube, it's hard to believe that they all suffer from gender dysphora."

    Actually I want to make a distinction here (above I said very few ftm are in and out of psych wards for body/sex dysphoria) I think most are suffering from gender dysphoria i.e. not wanting to be seen as the pathetic sub-humans their gender role dictates.

    In other words, the majority are feeling the effects of the misogyny in this world rather than clinical psychiatric ilness.

    "I don't get it, gender dysphora starts when you're born. It's visable at a very young age. They refuse to wear skirts and long hair and all the girly stuff."

    Because trans is an idea people latch onto for various reasons. Its a sign of the times that its not just hardcore tomboys and the odd BDD/OCD case picking up the trans narrative and running with it. Given that the bar of 'femininity' is being raised all the time it doesnt surprise me that girls who the older gen. would call traditionally feminine dont perceive themselves that way. My collegues tell me having ANY pubic hair is 'unfeminine' these days. No wonder girls on YT think letting their leg and pit hair grow out is part of their 'transition to male'.

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