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Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Transmen and Women's Spaces

Why do you feel transmen in the majority so often try remaining in and/or seek out women's spaces? Clearly it isnt a social issue if as the trans community claims their "brains" are opposite sexed, they would naturally have cultivated male bonds in childhood, similar to Butch women or some gay men. Or is this more indication that this is in fact a social disorder being treated to maintain the Gender Straight Jacket by the male medical machine and a fearful society?

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  1. Dirt, it's already been iterated and reiterated why transmen keep returning to your blog. I don't see what point you feel you're making by pointing this out when they've already explained themselves. They want to see where you're coming from. I know biological men who view your blog as well. That doesn't make them less male just for wanting to gather all viewpoints.

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  2. If you want to look at it that way, they can ask the same of you: why do you insist on looking transgender information up when you're not transgender. -logic-

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  3. "If you want to look at it that way, they can ask the same of you: why do you insist on looking transgender information up when you're not transgender. -logic-"

    you're not even TRYING now. Because the trasn ideology on gender harms ALL women, not just those who transition.

    "when they've already explained themselves." I understand, I just don't BELIEVE that the trans explanation for their own motivation is correct.

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  4. "why do you insist on looking transgender information up when you're not transgender. -logic-"

    Because the trans dogma affects me and others in a very negative way.

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  5. Well, dirt, we know that men are always trying to infiltrate women's space. Many men, biologically born men, that is, don't believe that women have any right to a space of our own to which they do not have access. Transmen who want to retain access to women's space even after they have transitioned are just acting like these "normally" entitled males, it seems to me.

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  6. I have always had a weird fear of women's only spaces. They make me feel uncomfortable and out-of-place, always did.

    Also I have no close female friends. All my close friends are gay males, like me.

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  7. i only go to queer spaces, where identity is not policed. Its widely known here that womens-only spaces are stupid and nobody I want to see would attend.

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  8. "Its widely known here that womens-only spaces are stupid.."

    Hey, you're sounding more and more like a proper manly man every day, coming out with this crap!

    But don't ask us what we think, we're just stoopid women...............

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  9. If you are personally effected by the actions one stranger takes on their own body, maybe you're the one with the problem. All that does is show you're not comfortable with yourself enough to not blame other groups of people for your problems. Someone having their breasts removed has NOTHING to do with you. They're not telling you you should do it. They're not even suggesting it. They're just doing what makes them happy. You really just made yourself look worse than them with tht comment. Good job.

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  10. Because they deep down know/feel that men won't accept them (or at least, not easily).

    Men in general are pretty intolerant and nasty towards any minority, but especially towards one that possesses a sexual connotation.

    Of course the F2T people know they are not a "male" but a "trans", and as such, a minority, and as such, they will have a hard time with men.
    So they try to gain acceptance and support by/via the women.

    In highschool already, you can see the non-conforming boys tend to socialize with the girls, and non-conforming girls also mostly with the girls (at least, where I lived).

    Women always have to play the role of caretaker, there's nothing wrong with that btw imho, as long as you don't overdo it, but the same time some minorities, like gays, but also F2T it seems, have a tendency to blame women for the crap they get from men.

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  11. "If you are personally effected by the actions one stranger takes on their own body,.."

    The IDEOLOGY behind the action is the problem -- it ISN'T about you, got it now?

    "Thanks Bad Dyke. But any gender can call something "stupid". Do you even have a job?"

    Any sensible woman, with or without a job, can read the newspapers and look at the figures. Women earn less than men, and there are fewere women the higher up the career ladder you go.

    So, EITHER we're all too stupid to do the top jobs, or there is something else going on. What do you think it is,or do you have some other good reason why we can count female world leaders (say) on the fingers of one hand?

    Or perhaps you think our little pink female brains aren't up to positions of power and influence, cos of our 'female' thinking............

    Plus I don't have a gender, just plain ole biological sex.......

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  12. BadDyke, I KNOW this is hard to wrap your head around, but at least try.

    I. Am. Not. Trans. You're so mad that people make assumptions about people based on your sex/gender/whatever, yet you're doing the exact same thing,

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  13. -baddyke no one is hurting you. you're just looking for someone to put the blame on. you hurt them just as much but i don't see them sitting around whining about you year after year. take responsibility for your own actions and stop looking for a copout. you're saying women don't get paid as much, yet you don't even work. and if you do, it isn't much because you're almost always on dirts blogs with a comeback the second someone comment on something. you keep saying men make more than women, yet all you do is basically sit on dirts blog all day thinking up comebacks. you want to make as much as a man who makes good money? then go work. oh look! problem solved. i make more than most of the men i work with. why? because i make an effort to instead of sitting around acting like i deserve to be paid for bitching on some blog all day.

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  14. If transmen can become Girl Scout leaders, then why can’t MTF transsexuals become Boy Scout leaders? And, since “transmen” also identify as men, then why can’t they become Boy Scout leaders? That is, when they aren’t too busy being Girl Scout leaders. Since gender is meaningless, perhaps we don’t even need girls for the Girl Scouts. The idea of girls is so old school, and we need to get with the program. We should be ashamed of ourselves for not being so enlightened. Let’s get rid of the girls entirely. All the little people in the Girls Scouts could become transmen. So, let’s have Trans Scouts. As I type this, I’m trying to come up with a logo, salute, and handbook.

    Don’t transmen take large doses of testosterone? After all, how can they be so manly if they don’t take testosterone? Is young Mr. Caden going to educate the young ladies on the beneficial health effects of male hormones in a developing female body? Maybe there is a Girl Scout badge for that. Let’s just slip a bit of that testosterone in the Girl Scout cookies. We could have real “T “as the transmen call it with our delicious Thin Mints. Now, sit back and watch the miraculous transition unfold.

    It’s all good to me. When I grow up, I want to be a boy just like Caden!

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  15. @5:06 anon, that was so full of ignorant, misinformed anger that I actually laughed, so thank you.

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  16. Um, you know, biological sex doesn't exist therefore sexism doesn't exist. Pink gender people dont even LIKE getting paid as much as blue gender people. See, they've found this area of the brain next to the stilletto synapse...

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  17. Sorry, for the silly mistake. I posted my thoughts on the trans Girl Scout leader here instead of under another heading. I just had to say something about Mr. Loew.

    Dirt, I think you are one of the most courageous people I know. I admire someone who has the courage to step back and carefully observe what gender queer , the transgender community, and everything trans is doing to women.

    According to one visitor to your blog, breasts are of no significance to women.

    “Someone having their breasts removed has NOTHING to do with you. They're not telling you you should do it. They're not even suggesting it. They're just doing what makes them happy”

    As a women, I’m very concerned about women self- mutilating themselves. Contrary to what some think, breasts are a natural part of the female anatomy. Speaking of breasts, this reminds me of the FTM transsexual commonly known as the “pregnant man”. Of course, genetic males don’t get pregnant. This was just a transman. No, she is not intersex. Google “pregnant man” and see the photographs. Well, he had his ten minutes of fame. At any rate, this transman had both her healthy breasts removed, and she took testosterone. For some reason, “he”, the transman”, decided to keep her ovaries and uterus. “He”, the transman, decided to get pregnant. Since both her healthy breasts were removed, she couldn’t nurse her baby. By the way, most gynecologists will tell you that mother’s milk is very nutritious. Mother’s milk is more nutritious than anything purchased in a grocery store. This is true for all mammals. Now, back to the “pregnant man”. Do you know who actually nursed his baby? Well, it was his partner. Nancy breastfed “his” baby by induced lactation, a process using hormones and physical stimulation with a breast pump. This is too twisted to make up. Only in the parallel universe of gender queer does this occur.

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  18. Transmen who insist on hanging out in lesbian spaces make me ashamed to be trans.

    On the other hand, I know a lot of transwomen hang out in places like gay bars, hoping to hook up with a man, so I guess transmen trying to hook up with lesbians shouldn't surprise me.

    They're all just gay. Very, very gay.

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  19. "yet you don't even work. and if you do, it isn't much because you're almost always on dirts blogs with a comeback the second someone comment on something."
    Don't assume that everyone types and thinks as slowly as you do.

    The figures on womens pay are clear, so either there is a systematic problem, OR all those women really are too dumb/uneducated/unmotivated to earn as much as the men.

    I can see which option you prefer.

    Classic tactic -- avoid asking the hard questions, and instead blame individual women for not being smart enough (unlike yourself). Divide and conquer, and you believed the con.

    "See, they've found this area of the brain next to the stilletto synapse..." Tee-hee! Yes,look we all KNOW women aren't as strong as men (unless they take the magic T), which is why men in manual jobs get paid MORE than women. And we all KNOW women aren't as clever as men (all that estrogen effects the brain don't you know) which is why we all are intuitive and shit and incapable of logical thought or doing maths or science or anything hard and serious like that.

    Except I'm a mathematician and a scientist, so OBVIOUSLY I've got a male brain and I'm just too dumb to realise it (side-effects of estrogen again I guess). So the sooner I get the ovaries removed and myself on T, then all will be right with the world again, with only MEN like myself being proper scientists, and women earning less cleaning the toilets and cleaning my nice shiny academics office..........

    " If you actually got out of your house and met transmen face to face," Transtrope #23 -- we need educating. Why assume that the women on here HAVEN'T come across trans people in their own communities? Why assume that we haven't seen the scary effects of the trans ideology on women who used to be our friends and lesbian colleagues, who now aren't, cos they now want to be treated as straight men (or gay men, or whatever, but men either way). We've seen it, we've lost women we knew to this, and we can see the effects on others.

    The trans camp doesn't want to know this, just wants us to believe, like them, that happiness lies at the end of the transition rainbow.............

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  20. "If you are personally effected by the actions one stranger takes on their own body, maybe you're the one with the problem."

    To bad that it isn't just about the actions someone takes on their own body...and I'll bet you know this damn well. The entire trans dogma and the fascism is what's so dangerous.


    "They're not telling you you should do it. They're not even suggesting it."

    No, what they are doing is to tell others to buy into their ideology. What they are doing is harassing people who disagree with them while playing the victim card.

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  21. "Contrary to what some think, breasts are a natural part of the female anatomy."

    Not only this they are part of womens
    lymphatic system,essential for cleansing the blood.

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  22. You're judging them for "playing the victim card" when that's all any of you are doing. You all are just giving yourself into a hole

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  23. FtM's go where they are most comfortable - either alternative women's spaces or "queer" spaces. They don't hang out in straight clubs, because they know they can't compete with men to attract females, let alone have anything to talk about.
    I noticed early on as a young androgenous Butch that women really police eachother (not always intentionally) about what is appropriate and what's "strange." It does take it's toll on some non-traditional-looking women to go thru life being looked at like they have 3 heads, or just often seeing that flicker of uncertainty/discomfort in people's eyes. That's partly why some of these young women want to "transition", and why the whole "passing" thing is so important them.

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  24. "Sexism is a very real thing.
    As is Transphobia, which itself stems from sexism."

    Au contraire. This comes, I think, from the ole tactic of claiming feminists are being sexist by demanding women-only spaces.

    So, society IS sexist, let's take that as a given. Women are treated differently based on their sex. Hence given the unequal status, for purely pragmatic reasons, it is totally sensible that women should men-free spaces -- it isn't THEIR fault so much as society.

    But even in a non-sexist society, there would STILL be reasons for groups etc based on biological sex.

    But in our current society, given that it IS sexist, and given that socialisation BASED ON SEX operates very differently for men and women, perfectly sane and sensible, again, that women should be able to have women-only groups free from transwomen, AND that it is perfectly senisble to point out that the experiences of women-born-women who remain as women are not the same as those of transwomen.

    Disagreeing with sexism ISN'T saying that there aren't biological differences between men and women, or between women and transwomen, or men and transmen. It is the trans ideology that is saying that socialisation doesn't count, and biology doesn't count, and that transwomen are 'real' women, because they're women in the head -- and its the women in the head line that PROMOTES further sexism.

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  25. "@5:06 anon, that was so full of ignorant, misinformed anger that I actually laughed, so thank you."

    Some of you people REALLY don't get sarcasm, do you, as well as hearing anger where there is none.........

    Plus laughing at someone elses supposed ignorance, misinformation or anger is also a pretty WEIRD reaction.

    If I come across someone who is angry, misinformed, or hateful, I don't usually find that a cause for laughter (unless of course I think they're a threat, and laugh in relief when I realise they're just plain stupid!).

    Or perhaps just a misunderstanding of the word laughable, which nowadays means ridiculous or absurb, but NOT to mean that you actually LAUGH at it. Laughable isn't the same as FUNNY.

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  26. "You're judging them for "playing the victim card" when that's all any of you are doing. You all are just giving yourself into a hole"

    If somebody wants to kill you and/or harasses you because you disagree with their ideology - how is that not making you a victim? That's all what you get if you disagree with the trans dogma.

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  27. ahaha Bee you're funny. Here's a little fun fact: transgender people get bullied, beaten, murdered, and raped A LOT. No one murders women for saying they're a women, but tell them you're transgender, and you're done for a most places of the world.

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  28. BadDyke, you've laughed at me before because you thought I was ignorant and ill-informed. Stop acting like a saint when you're just being a hypocrit.

    And yes, I understand sarcasm; the fact that it was sarcastic doesn't change how ignorant and misinformed it was. Clearly you should think before you assume other's social skills or lack thereof because it WAS filled with anger and that's obvious.

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  29. "No one murders women for saying they're a women........."

    Nope, women just get murdered, and raped, and beaten up, whatever they claim their 'innate gender' is..............

    Okay, so there is a lot of violence against women, against gay people, against trans people -- NONE of that, whatever the stats are, justifies threats of violence against women for merely questioning the trans ideology.

    Plus I don't think for one INSTANT that those guilty of violence against trans people are using feminist objections to the trans ideology as an EXCUSE -- good ole fashioned sexism and homophobia will do very nicely, thank you very much.

    Whereas on the trans side, saying you OBJECT to the trans ideology has got plenty of women threats of violence -- whilst ignoring those who actually commit violence against trans people (i.e., that would be the MEN that transmen so admire..........).

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  30. "because it WAS filled with anger and that's obvious."

    Dearie me, you seem to be reading all sorts of stuff into my posts that ISN'T THERE.

    Objecting to your belief system ISN'T the same as anger, or anger directed at any individual trans person

    Thinking you're wrong, or disagreeing with you ISN'T laughing at you for being stupid either, or even the same as thinking you're stupid, so stop throwing all this victim crap at me, when in reality, you just can't seem to answer the points I make.

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  31. Wow BadDyke. Just wow. This is why I don't bother with you. You're so willing to nitpick details like a child. You realize that doesn't help your cause, right? Eventually people just stop bothering to read what you have to say.

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  32. "They don't hang out in straight clubs, because they know they can't compete with men to attract females, let alone have anything to talk about."

    I *do* hang out in non-gay bars and clubs and shows and venues. I *do* get hit on by women and some have only been encouraged by the revelation of my trans status. I'm not sure why you people continue to soothe yourselves with falsehoods, but I would not let myself get away with that. The obvious fact is that most of us are much less miserable than you all wish we were. I wish you luck in your struggles...

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  33. Good job, Dirt. You deleted everything you didn't agree with so it looks like everyone was talking to themselves. That's definitely going to make you all seem less mental.

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  34. 4:04
    I personally don't think that 'transmen' are 'miserable'- if anything, being 'treated like a man' would likely make them happier, as it would most women, since that generally means being treated with more respect. Also, I don't find this topic 'soothing' in the least.

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  35. "I *do* hang out in non-gay bars and clubs and shows and venues. I *do* get hit on by women and some have only been encouraged by the revelation of my trans status."

    Let's be brutally honest here -- a straight woman looking for a bit of a thrill MIGHT hit on a transman, just as some straight women hit on lesbians. Hey, it's sex without having to worry about the pill, and a lesbian or a transman might at least do that nice stuff that a straight guy doesn't think of as the 'main act'.

    But at the end of the day, that's all you'll be, because many straight women are looking for a man with all the bits, and a potential father for their children. And a transman doesn't fit that.

    "The obvious fact is that most of us are much less miserable than you all wish we were." We don't wish you were miserable after transition, we just wish you weren't so miserable previously that you felt you had to transition in the first place.

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  36. "Wow BadDyke. Just wow. This is why I don't bother with you."

    For someone who doesn't bother with me, you sure keep replying to a lot of my posts...............

    Details matter, especially when (as it often is), the devil (or the flaw in the argument), is in the details. If your arguments can't stand scrutiny..........

    Plus I'm a scientists, a professional nit-picker!

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  37. BadDyke, you basically just said the only way a transman can get a girl at a *straight* club is if she's looking for a *thrill*. That's not even remotely true and you have nothing to back that up other than how *you* would handle the situation. I go to straight clubs all the time and get as much attention as any other guy there.

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  38. "I go to straight clubs all the time and get as much attention as any other guy there."

    Yeah, yeah, heard it all before, the CONSTANT boasting of how wonderfully attractive all the women find you -- makes you sound just like a man.........

    You can't IGNORE the biology, many straight women looking for long-term relationships want BABIES with their hunky man, and a transman ain't got the gonads, simple as that.

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  39. That's the dumbest argument I have ever heard. You are aware of how many men with penises are infertile right? Does that mean their wives aren't straight now because they can't have children together?

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  40. "That's the dumbest argument I have ever heard. You are aware of how many men with penises are infertile right? Does that mean their wives aren't straight now because they can't have children together?" Nope, cos they're biologically male, and transmen aren't.

    And a big difference between getting with a biological man who has a good chance of being fertile, and a transman who has NO CHANCE unless she carries the baby herself.

    Trans-speak founders yet again on the rock of biological fact.

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  41. "Trans-speak founders yet again on the rock of biological fact."

    Don't be such an evil transphobe! There is no such thing as biological sex! It's all in da head! No explanation needed it's just a fact!

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  42. "The obvious fact is that most of us are much less miserable than you all wish we were."

    You are right. We are soooo angry and depressed because we don't need to take drugs, we don't need to force others to accept our fantasy identity, we don't need to let doctors remove healthy body parts, we don't need to harass people who disagree with us...*sigh*

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  43. "but tell them you're transgender, and you're done for a most places of the world."

    Tell the trans cult that you disagree and you are screwed. Some people will even treat to murder you or want to beat you with baseball bats.

    "Here's a little fun fact: transgender people get bullied, beaten, murdered, and raped A LOT."

    Here is another little fun fact:
    People (mostly women) get murdered, beaten and raped by transgender people A LOT.

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  44. FtM's don't stand a chance with Straight women, which is why they avoid straight clubs. That a straight woman might accept and eagerly drink those drinks Anon@10:09 bought her doesn't really count as "attention", does it? Straight women are attracted to men. Also, it's dangerous for women mimmicking men (Ftm's) to go out to straight clubs in many places.

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  45. So? It's dangerous for anyone to go to clubs in some places period, regardless of who they are or what's in their pants.

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  46. Bee, the only time you would be "screwed" is if you're being rude about it, or they're just an angry individual. That has nothing to do with them being trans; it has to do with your attitude and theirs. That's how it works with the majority of the human population.

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  47. Anon @10:36 - But for ftm it's dangerous in MANY places, most dangerous clubs for them being Straight clubs. Straight men often DO care about that roll of socks you've got stuffed in your pants (and that you're a woman in reality) when you're hitting on their sister and women friends in the bar. So don't kid youself. You might be alright in certain neighborhoods in the bigger cities, but there you've got the safe women's spaces to occupy.

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  48. "Don't pull random "facts" out of nowhere."

    And don't let's extrapolate from one example either.

    And why ASSUME that people writing on here aren't using the experiences of people they KNOW, and extrapolating from the attitudes of poeple they KNOW likewise? We're not living in this queer fantasy ghetto.

    "I have never been in any danger in straight clubs and no one beats me up for hitting on their sister. " Well, most dykes I know would disagree with both those statements, and I don't think that straight men (who by and large DON'T believe that transmen are real men, or that transwomen are real women) are going to change this attitude, when from their point of view, it's just a dyke claiming to be a man.

    It just shows, yet again, how the trans crowd lives in some fantasy land where they don't get beaten up in straight clubs and EVERYONE (i.e. straight men, straight women, gay men) accepts their claimed innner identity, and it's just nasty lesbian feminists who don't.

    Odd how this is maintained in parallel with the oft-repeated trans people get beaten/murdered/raped more than anyone else. Who do you think is committing this level of violence? It's plainly inconsistent unless you really believe that gangs of radical lesbian feminists with baseball bats are roaming our streets.......

    Or is it simpler than that? Just the old belief that I pass so well, and I'm Soooooo manly that no one doubts my male identity.................

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  49. It isn't one example, BadDyke. There are a plethora of examples all over the internet. I would think a "scientist" like yourself would have done your research first instead of just looking up "facts" to defend your own argument.

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  50. Bee... seriously?? "People (mostly women) get murdered, beaten and raped by transgender people A LOT."

    Statistics to back that outrageous claim up please... has a trans person ever beaten, murdered or raped another person? Sure, I knew a woman very well who was murdered by her FTM husband. Have people been beaten, raped or murdered by women, by lesbian women? Sure, people do terrible things to other people far too often. But to claim that people are murdered, beaten and raped by trans people "A LOT"? Hardly. Just more of the anti-trans alarmist speak.

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  51. The same misogyny that informs the trans disorder is the very same misogyny that informs those rapes and murders regardless of who commits them. THAT is the real issue this blog tackles.

    dirt

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  52. There are women rapist, Dirt.

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  53. that's always the funniest pro-'male' argument- that 'women rape too'
    ABSURD
    of course, it's a rarity

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  54. Anon@1:25pm, see the comment I posted above.

    Also, women rapists has zero to do with trans(men) invading womens spaces, so please lets try and stay on topic.

    dirt

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  55. Excuse me but you're the one bringing up rape and murder in the first place.

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  56. http://www.rmdglobal.net/she-stole-my-voice/

    A documentary about LESBIAN RAPE... so because some lesbians are bad, then we can assume all lesbians are bad?

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  57. you just said exactly what i was hoping you would say. you're contradicting your entire point and proving mine. saying all men rape or want to rape just because some men do is the same as saying all women rape or want to just because some do.

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  58. "saying all men rape or want to rape just because some men do.."

    Nope, if you look at the research, you'll find that am amazingly large number of men state that they WOULD commit serious sexual assault against a women if they thought they could get awy with it.

    When asked, 25% of male college students admitted to some form of sexual assault they had committed since age 14, with 8% admitting rape or attempted rape:

    https://www1.columbia.edu/sec/cu/health/pdfs/alcohol_sexual_assault.pdf

    And the beliefs that lie behind these acts are fairly common amongst men as a whole -- it soom becomes quite clear that rape and sexual assault aren't RARE acts committed by a few nutcases, but something connected to very common male behaviours and beliefs (and belief in sterotypical gender-roles for men and women during romantic/sexual encounters feeds into this). Many of the men concerned DON'T FEEL that they are real criminals, even though they have themselves admitted what legally counts as a rape or sexual assault. They don't see that they did anything wrong.

    Makes quite clear that committing sexual assault or rape is something that such a large proportion of men either admit to, or would be capable of given the right circumstances, that labelling ALL men as potential rapists seems a totally justifiable leap. Go look at the research and prepare to be shocked....................

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  59. Baddyke, I am AWARE of statistics thank you. Just because a lot of men would rape doesn't men all, or even most, of them would. Same goes to women. I don't care how much lower the statistics are, the fact that they exist means that it could happen to anyone regardless what's in their pants, and their attacker could be anyone. For someone who nitpicks so much, you really do have awful logic.

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  60. "For someone who nitpicks so much, you really do have awful logic."

    For someone who claims to know statistics, you seem awfully ignorant of the meaning of them.

    I happen to think it is pretty damn important that 25% of college are willing to ADMIT that they've committed a sexual assault. Says to me, in pretty large letters, than if you are the victim of such an assault, overwhelmingly more likely to be a man, than a women.

    Honestly, comparing the figures for male and female perpetrators and then IGNORING them, is like saying that sexual assaults are just as likely committed by aliens, because one in a million victims believes they have been anally probed by grey aliens. I don't let that little factoid worry me unduly, but I do worry about MEN as potential perpetrators, and not women.

    But then the general public is horrendous at making rational decisions based on statistics, so you're not unusual in that case -- although I think you'll find that most women would worry about being assaulted by a man, much more than they would a woman (or a gray alien -- I'm not trivialising the assaults performed by women BTW, just pointing out the stats).

    "Just because a lot of men would rape doesn't men all, or even most, of them would." You miss the point YET AGAIN. The figures for males and the REASONS why some do and some don't are what matter. It looks as if it isn't some gross mental aberration or innate evil that turns a man into someone willing to commit a sexual assault, but what SOCIETY believes about sex and sexual relations and gender roles (O dear, something that the trans crowd doesn't want to hear!).

    With the implied assumption that if we CHANGe what society (and men) believe about gender and gender roles, then we might have a chance at reducing the figures. But the trans crowd doesn't want to hear that EITHER, since any indication that any sort of beliefs about gender are LEARNT not innate threatens their belief system. Hence we better stand up and defend the 'all sexual assaults are committed by grey aliens' line, whatever the stats say.............

    So given there is no 'rapist gene', but 'rapist beliefs' then in that sense, ANY man can be a rapist given the right beliefs and the right opportunity or triggers. As we seem to see during war BTW.

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  61. Anon 10:29, pointing back to the original topic about womens spaces, do you not think a difference in rape/violence stats DO matter when it comes to the argument for women only spaces?

    I speak as a person who has been battered unconscious by another female and attacked multiple times by others. As a result I dont FEEL very safe in a large crowd of women but I'd be downright ignorant to deny that women ARE safer in a women only space.

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  62. "...but I'd be downright ignorant to deny that women ARE safer in a women only space."

    It's a common misconception that rapists are mad, evil, (relatively) rare men, who attack strangers. Rather than men we KNOW, or men that the victims know. Who don't seem to have any indicators of criminal insanity, or much difference from other men, except for the fact that they are rapists.

    But even if we stick to the mad category, there ARE cases where men thinking they are trans, or identifying as women, have, using that identification, gained access to women-only spaces (such as rest-rooms) and assaulted women -- no matter that they thought or claimed that their inner 'gender voice' was telling them they were a 'woman'. Hence can you see now why when women say women-only, we really mean biological women only..........

    Because even though any person can commit a sexual assault, it takes a biological male with bits intact to penetrate and possibly get his victim pregnant.

    Long and short of it is -- if we have to let in ANYONE who claims they are a women in the head, then we are no longer safe, or we no longer will FEEL safe. But somehow this always seems to count for nothing compared to the poor liddle transwoman who has had his identity disagreed with, or his pronouns misused................

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  63. Let us not forget the huge impact the male masturbatory gaze has on females to FEEL raped by it. Something ALL females have felt at one time or another.

    dirt

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  64. Do you not think you're making physical rape seem less serious by calling men looking at women who are attractive "rape".
    That ain't rape.

    Rape is rape. Calling lesser things a form of rape does not make someone look at the thing as more serious but makes them look at rape less seriously.

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  65. Exactly what CabbageFriend said. By saying you've been victimized or raped by being looked at, you're making the trauma of actual rape victims a joke. A man looking at you might not be comfortable to you, but you're not being raped or victimized.

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  66. "By saying you've been victimized or raped by being looked at, you're making the trauma of actual rape victims a joke."

    I don't think any women who do feel they have been violated by the male gaze are making ANY jokes about rape!

    Plus I think you need to read up on what is meant by the male gaze:

    http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/08/26/faq-what-is-the-%E2%80%9Cmale-gaze%E2%80%9D/

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  67. "ut to claim that people are murdered, beaten and raped by trans people "A LOT"?"

    How many people have to be killed so that you can say: It's a lot?? Even "just" ten (it's much more than this) people are too much.


    "Just more of the anti-trans alarmist speak."

    Just more of the trans apologist speak.

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  68. lol "trans apologist street", it's funny how this blog is all about "genitals shouldn't define you" yet all you do is say every single action a trans person makes is because of an ideology. Tel me, do they also eat cereal because of this said ideology?

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