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Sunday, March 4, 2012

Girl Scouts hire TransMAN as Ccounselor

See full article here.

From the article:
“The Girl Scouts do not promote homosexuality—they promote diversity,” says Loew. “In the Girl Scout law we promise to be a sister to every Girl Scout. Not allowing a transgender girl into the Girl Scouts is not very sister like. If a person is biologically a female or identifies as female, they have every right to be apart of the Girl Scouts.”

I don't know whether it is just this particular chapter of GS's or GS in general, but clearly they are quite ignorant of the misogyny that informs the trans disorder and how that level of misogyny would clearly be harmful to any impressionable young female who encounters it. We can assume that this "transman", like all those Trans Trenders we encounter on YT is going to promote GID and the harmful drugs and mutilative surgeries the Male Medical Machine utilizes to "cure" GID. Thereby legitimizing this social disorder as a real identity, rather than the identity DISORDER that it in fact is.

To make matters worse, this particular counselor identifies as male which opens up the flood gates for real males (pedophiles) to legitimately join GS. Clearly she has no issue using her biology to coerce her way into GS, all the while identifying as male. We see similar issues cropping up all the time now with transmen and Women's Colleges and other women only spaces. Transmen using the biology they deny to declare a right of presence in those spaces. 

We need to really begin a serious legal battle within each of our states to cease and desist LEGALLY changing the SEX of a person based on Gender Identity. If a person pathologically falls prey to the Gender Straight Jacket and decides to alter their appearance based that pathology, so be it for now. But there is ZERO need for that person to LEGALLY change their SEX. Their sex NEVER changes, merely their appearance. Tens of thousands of women have gotten face lifts and used various drugs and other surgeries so that they appear younger than their age. It remains illegal for them to change their age on their legal documents to reflect the change in their more youthful appearance. So cosmetically changing ones appearance to appear opposite sexed,  should be no different. 

I am going to start asking these very questions in my state to proper state authorities, I suggest you do the same in your states. Together we can change this nonsense of legal sex vs sex, and we can also undo these legal marriages between women whereby one woman is a legal male in states that do not support legal marriage between same sex couples.

I also suggest a boycott of GS cookies/products going forward, as this clearly violates any positiveness about being a female that GS supposedly promotes to our young girls.


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  1. WTF? So now "transgendered women" AND "transgendered men" are allowed to be part of the Girl Scouts? But according to trans ideology, a "trans man" *IS* a man. If the person IS A MAN, then why are they being allowed to be part of the GIRL Scouts? And if we're allowing them to be part of the Girl Scouts on the grounds that they're biologically female, is it not then hypocritical to allow a "trans woman/girl" who's biologically male to ALSO be part of the Girl Scouts?

    So let me get this straight: A trans man who's biologically female is really a woman, and a trans woman who's biologically male is also really a woman.

    Got it. Clear as fucking mud.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too, trans tards! Anybody who supports this kind of hypocrisy needs a lesson in Logic 101. FFS.

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  2. All that being said, I disagree with Dirt about one thing. While I will defintely oppose allowing people to legally change their sex, I won't oppose any marriages between people of the same sex because I do support gay marriage. Even though it's not really a "gay marriage" if one is claiming to be trans and it's a state that doesn't allow gay marriage, I still don't want to mess with people's marriages. I'd rather just deal with the issue that they shouldn't be able to legally change their sex in the first place. And if we legalize same-sex marriage then that won't matter anymore.

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  3. Are we really allowing MEN to be troupe leaders in the GIRL Scouts? Gender expression is one thing, but it is NOT the same as biology. Is Girl Scouts based on gender, or is it based on sex? We cannot have both. And if it is based on gender, how the hell is it a good role model for girls? It's NOT about learning to act stereotypically feminine, last time I checked. There is no one way to "be" a woman. This is bullshit.
    People identifying as men should not be allowed in the GIRL scouts! Why would they even want to be there?! And, for bio-men who want to be "women," do they think they can use the girl scouts as some sort of education program on how to "be" female? Or do they just want to co-opt a program designed to help bio-women and use it for themselves? I really think we need a new solution.

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  4. Isn't that the ultimate proof for the disgusting hypocrisy of this community? I doubt there are any kind of protests against the decision to hire a "man" even though it's obviously against everything they claimed before. Don't they believe their own dogma anymore?

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  5. I read a few comments here and there, that say even bio-men have been allowed as Girl Scout counselors, so they're not making an exception for this new person.

    But obviously, this policy is just one more example of how women can't have their own space, they have to accomodate anything that moves. It must be destructive to young girls to be taught that anyone who wants to be a girl or hang around girls has that right.

    This applies to women's restrooms, too. And after being in the new Girl Scouts, a woman will no longer have the instinct that she has the right to object to some male creep hanging around a restroom, because that instinctive sense of threat and invasion is the very sense that has to be suppressed in order to accomodate these voyeurs and trespassers.

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  6. This is totally confused from the point of the view of the counsellor concerned, cos in the article she talks about sisters and people who are either biologically female or identify as such -- yet she herself identifies as male.

    They allow male conusellors, but where is she coming from? Telling Girl Scouts about the fact that some of them may come to identify as male, hence have to LEAVE the Girl Scouts?

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  7. There are plenty of male girl scout leaders. Just like there are female boy scout leaders. It works both ways.

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  8. Yes, apparently men can already be troop leaders. Whether that appropriate or not is another debate.

    I am confused by Loew's quote: she identifies as male and yet she's pulling the sisterhood card to justify why she has been hired. The quote about not 'promoting homosexuality' just seemed weird. Not only because I cant work out how you'd promote it apart from being an openly gay role model. So her presence as openly trans and a trusted mentor promotes trans identity and transition just a teeny bit. But thats ok?

    The commenters on queerty expect her trans identity to be part of her role model status to the girls. "I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if some of them were trans, and just did not identify as such yet."

    This is what bothers me. Its the opposite of role model

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  9. I can understand WHY, in terms of liberal values and empasizing diversity, a trans counsellor would be thought of as a 'good thing'. I think the example here is where diversity and a 'good thing' contradicts the key values of the organisation, in effect.

    So, counsellors etc aside, I ASSUME (being from the UK), that Girl Scouts have to be GIRLS -- lets wibble about them being biologically female or identifying as such. But then, having an FTM just don't work -- she either says to other females -- hey, you might be trans too, then you'll have to LEAVE the girl scouts (which you thought might be a disincentive, if they really love the girl scouts that much!), OR she is speaking as a trans person to persuade them that having a biological boy who identifies as a girl as a girl scout is OKAY.

    Either way, it does seem to me to totally go against the whole rationale of having GIRL scouts, which is that you admit in some sense that there are occassions where sex matters. If it all becomes just 'gender' (as the trans crowd would like), then we get into the usual confusion.

    She might have been a girl scout when younger and loved it, and want to give something back, but what would be the point of that when her very identity would have prevented her ever becoming a girl scout? If she 'enjoyed' the girl scouts, then that somehow shows how 'non-boy' her youthful identity WAS.

    If she wasn't ever even a girl scout, then it really does look like the usual trans tactic of shoving yourself in where not appropriate, just to show that you CAN. Like M2T trying to become rape crisis counsellors..........

    The whole playing the sisterhood card is DEEPLY suspicious either way.

    I can't help feeling the homosexuality thing is also bubbling away, in that as trans, she might possibly be seen as an example of how homo can disappear and you can become straight................

    Just VERY confused either way, and if we're confused, what are the girl scouts she counsels gonna think about the whole thing! If it was me, I'd just view it as -- you can be a girl and a girl scout, but get too butch, and you'll have to become a man..................and LEAVE.

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  10. "I'd just view it as -- you can be a girl and a girl scout, but get too butch, and you'll have to become a man..................and LEAVE."

    I can see this potentially leading to the Girl Scouts not being the GIRL scouts anymore. If theyre not turning a counsellor away for identifying as male I cant see them booting longstanding members who go trans. Post modern thinking and single-sex oriented organisations dont go hand in hand, seeing as sex doesnt really exist ; )

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  11. I think Leows comment about every girl has the right to be a girl scout is not talking about her. Maybe she is referring to the MTF child that was allowed to be a girl scout.

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  12. " Post modern thinking and single-sex oriented organisations dont go hand in hand, seeing as sex doesnt really exist ; )"

    I think that's the not too hidden trans agenda here -- SEX doesn't matter, so girl scouts are for anyone who identifies as a girl (whatever that means), hence anyone can come in who says they want to.

    And no one is allowed to point out that THEY don't consider someone as not appropriate or NOT a girl, because the magic internal voice beats all facts.

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  13. I also suggest a boycott of GS cookies/products

    the only one you hurt there is the Girl Scouts.

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  14. @Boadie, there are transsexual people in states/countries which allow gay marriage. Therefore your entire "this wouldn't happen if gay marriage" theory is false.

    @Fernweher, I wasn't aware that a person's sex determined if they were a corrupt person. Men are as capable of teaching girls the GS material as the female leaders. Having a penis or a vagina doesn't change one's ability to teach.

    @Bee, the only hypocrisy is that feminists are striving for EQUALity by attempting to make it seem like they're in some way MORE privileged than men for no reason other than they're women. Belittling someone, especially over what chromosomes and genitalia they have, isn't going to make anyone treat you with respect.

    @12:58 anon, woman have their own space; and no, this isn't some "they belong in the kitchen" joke. It's called GIRL Scouts, not women scouts. If you're basing the leaders on what the name is, technically adult women can't be leaders either because they're not girls, they're women.

    @BadDyke, I'm not even really going to bother with you because anyone who views this blog regularly knows you're basically just Dirt's alterego.

    @MNDR, the dude's trans. Get over it. His body parts have nothing to do with his leading abilities.

    @Dirt, I have this message copied and saved into MS Word, so if you delete it, I will just keep leaving it until the people have seen it. I wouldn't bother deleting this.

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  15. "So you're saying we should separate the children by whether or not they have a vagina instead of their presentation"

    Yes, an organisation geared towards girls has two choices, either separate children by biological sex or stop advertising itself as geared towards girls. Boys in dresses should be made to feel welcome at the BOY scouts. That would be truly promoting diversity.

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  16. "@MNDR, the dude's trans. Get over it. His body parts have nothing to do with his leading abilities."

    Never said they did. Especially when 'he' likely has the same in 'his' pants as the next soft-andro looking counsellor. I pointed out the hypocrisy in allowing trans ideology to be promoted while stating 'we dont promote homosexuality.' I also question whether a person who shuns their female biology and REALITY is a good role model for young girls.

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  17. Anon @ 3:17 am, your comment illustrates why people who are high on testosterone should be kept out of women's spaces. You've "corrected" several women, and even blackmailed the blog owner, whose guests we all are. Girl scouts need women role models, not men or fake men who will "correct" their insufficiently respectful opinions.

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  18. @anon 5:17. I'm not trans, nor am I on testosterone, so I didn't illustrate anything.

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  19. Also, I haven't blackmailed Dirt in any way shape or form. Learn what words mean before you go throwing them around.

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  20. "@BadDyke, I'm not even really going to bother with you because anyone who views this blog regularly knows you're basically just Dirt's alterego."

    Just looks to me like you have no answer to my srguments.

    "the only hypocrisy is that feminists are striving for EQUALity by attempting to make it seem like they're in some way MORE privileged than men for no reason other than they're women. Belittling someone, especially over what chromosomes and genitalia they have, isn't going to make anyone treat you with respect."

    And a classic piece of trans speak! Reminding or pointing out that someone is biologically female (despite them 'identifying' as male) ISN'T belittling them.

    The ols trans call for 'respect'. fuck respect, that has to be earned. And I don't want 'respect' as much as equal rights.........Different things.

    And yet again, the classic trans misunderstanding of feminism. Women born women AREN'T more privileged than transwomen because they're biologically female. Women (and the girl scouts) are saying that society treats poeple differently NOT based on airy-fairy gender, but based on BIOLOGY. Hence why biological women feel the need for women only spaces. Also because basic facts of biology do make a difference to some things, and you can't lay claim to those basic facts by pretending or passing.

    "Therefore your entire "this wouldn't happen if gay marriage" theory is false." nonsense. Like claiming that women are treated equally in the workplace because there is plenty of legislation that says we should be. Yet the pay-gap and the glass ceiling STILL persist.

    Women don't get a fair deal at work because of their BIOLOGY, not because of their gender. People assume cos they're female that they have less able brains, or different brains, or will get all emotional and cry everywhere if their boss shouts at them, or that they'll go off and have babies as soon as you've got them trained, or that they don't need as much money because they have a husband who earns more who supports them. This is all female body or female brain stuff, and trans can't have the former (although they may get mistaken for someone who has), and only make the latter worse by their insistence that men and women really ARE different in the head.

    "@Dirt, I have this message copied and saved into MS Word, so if you delete it, I will just keep leaving it until the people have seen it. I wouldn't bother deleting this." What sort of 'respect' is this, where you are trying to deny a blog-owner the right to control what is posted on their own blog, because you'll keep SHOUTING at them if they try to delete you? Trans hypocrisy, and trans-plainin at its best (which you don't have to be trans to do, just that you've absorbed a whole load of trans-speak).

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  21. No BadDyke, I have a lot to say to you, but I'm not going to say it because it's pointless. I've tried getting through to you before, but all you do is argue little details the way a child does when they're trying to get their way. Therefore, my comment stands: I'm not going to bother with you.

    I will make one comment however and tell you I am not trans, so all you just did was call me out on my "trans ideology" when I have none. I believe the term you're looking for is "common courtesy." Congrats on one again making yourself look like some old hag who sits around doing nothing but making assumptions about random strangers.

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  22. I'll just say it's another way for Trans to deny biology and usurp biology at the expense of people including the Girl scouts. To them, they think that biology is transpobic and the biology truth is transphobic.

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  23. "I am not trans, so all you just did was call me out on my "trans ideology" when I have none."

    LOL isnt that the definition of a trans ally? A non-trans cheerleader of trans ideology?

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  24. aww look at you trying to come up with a comeback. "cheerleader" and "trans ally" are really the best things you could think of? I'm a human ally. If people give me no reason to disrespect them, I won't. Unlike you people, I don't need to single out minorities and point out their flaws.

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  25. " so all you just did was call me out on my "trans ideology" when I have none. I believe the term you're looking for is "common courtesy." "

    Nope, Trans ideology, believing in, doesn't mean you're trans, you just have the same belief system.

    " Congrats on one again making yourself look like some old hag.." Nowt wrong with being old(er), or being a hag, so 0/10 for the ageism and sexism there. You sound more like a man every minute..................

    " If people give me no reason to disrespect them.." Doubleplusgood transspeak yet again. QED.

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  26. Ironic that you're telling me I sounds like a man when the very foundation of your beliefs are than women cant sound/look/be like men because they are not men. Make up your mind. You can't say I sound like a man then turn around and say men are scientifically no different than women other than a chromosome and sexual reproductive parts.

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  27. "Unlike you people, I don't need to single out minorities and point out their flaws"

    No, gender believers are the majority. Only difference is trans/queer ideology says sex and gender can get mismatched and regular conservatism says they can't.

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  28. They are not, actually. They are the minority. Hence why transpeople are basically forced into being stealth outside of the internet.

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  29. "They are not, actually. They are the minority."

    Read again: gender believers are the majority. We are questioning the belief in gender. We are questioning the dominant ideology.

    WITHIN the group 'gender believers', people who think sex and gender can be mismatched ARE a minority, true. But hello? Non-believers aren't the ones beating up 'trans' - hey, we might think you got the wrong idea, but its other gender believers who beat US ALL up for non-compliance to stupid f*cking gender.

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  30. I checked out the badges Girl Scouts can earn vs. those for Boy Scouts. I bet the Girl Scouts will end up with a Gender Theory Badge soon. Also, I didn't see anything about Boy Scout cookies.

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  31. MNDR that's just ignorant. My best friend is transgender and the only people that ever did him any harm WERE the "nonbelievers". Just because you personally wouldn't attack transgender people doesn't mean all "nonbelievers" don't, because a lot of them in reality do.

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  32. "Ironic..."

    Gawd, you don't get irony either..............


    ... that you're telling me I sounds like a man when the very foundation of your beliefs are than women cant sound/look/be like men because they are not men. Make up your mind. "

    Yawn. I'll just state the totally bleedin obvious for the hard of thinking. Men are socialised AS MEN, and as a result of that common socialisation, we hence have 'sounding like a man' (i.e. a sexist git in this sexist society).

    There is a difference between looking like/sounding like/thinking like a man and BEING a man, in terms of having that special blue brain that trans people are so proud of.

    Men come out with stupid sexist stuff because of society and socialisation, NOT becsause of their genes or the innate gender of their brains -- trans folk are the ones that believe THAT crap................

    Sorry, but that comment was really VERY DAFT.

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  33. "My best friend is transgender and the only people that ever did him any harm WERE the "nonbelievers"........."

    Sample of one is meaningless.

    Plus totally bleedin obvious I'm afraid that those who commit violence against trans people (and gay people, and women etc), DO BELIEVE that men and women are fundamentally different (i.e., they believe in gender) -- they just DON'T believe that body and innate gender can be at odds, hence a transman is, to them, just another bloody woman who is trying to usurp their male privilege. Plus a transwoman is just another fag.

    Keep your list of beliefs straight, cos this discussion is getting bloody stupid!

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  34. BadDyke I told you several time I'm not "discussing" anything with you, so the only one making it stupid is yourself, as you're the only one trying to have one in the first place. Maybe you should try keeping yours straight... Or does my telling you that make me "sound like a man"?

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  35. Thanks BadDyke for clarifying; didnt think I'd need to spell it out, but hey: gender atheists are capable of trans bashings, but they have less astronomically less motive to do so than gender=sex believers. Hey, if you want to blow isolated incidents out of proportion, there was a MtF murdered by a MtF here not long ago.

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  36. Not for being mtf.

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  37. "Not for being mtf"

    Id go as far to say practically NO violent attacks on trans are a protest against their personal identity politics! Trans sometimes fall victim to GAY bashings. Defendants in MtF murders have historically used the gay panic defence.

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  38. Just from my experience of channel surfing and coming across some really naff reality shows -- how do many straight men react to a transwoman, say? Well, in the shows I saw, they didn't twig that it was an M2T, and when they were told that, they seemed to feel that they had been tricked into kissing a bloke, and that meant they would be seen as gay. Hence homophobia right there as the primary reason for their anger.

    It's just plain ole homophobia or sexism, as far as I can see. So, if they think a F2T is a bloke, then they realise they're NOT, it's either plain ole sexism (a woman trying to usurp male privilege), or plain ole homophobia (a woman trying to pass herself off as a man MUST be a dyke).

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  39. Well MNDR, I'd say it's time you turn on the news them instead of reading uncredited sources because it happens all the time.

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  40. More males performing 'woman' to satisfy their obsession/fetish at the expense of natural-born women and girls. I used to be a big fan of Girl Scouts. Now? Not so much. They've been tainted with the all this sexist, misogynistic nonsense that parades around as "trans" -- but oh! women do get manipulated by the patriarchy into accommodating every Tom, Dick and Harry -- at their own expense.

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  41. "@Bee, the only hypocrisy is that feminists are striving for EQUALity by attempting to make it seem like they're in some way MORE privileged than men for no reason other than they're women. Belittling someone, especially over what chromosomes and genitalia they have, isn't going to make anyone treat you with respect."

    Well, speaking as a feminist, you have no idea what you're taking about. First of all, your post makes very little logical sense. Second of all, equality doesn't mean "no boundaries or privacy for females, ever".

    You don't see me, a natural-born female, trying to force myself on gay men. I understand that gay men like...drum roll please...other men. Duh. They can have gay male organizations, retreats, gatherings, organizations without fear of me or women like me trying to storm the gates and force them to accommodate me.

    Ditto social and political organizations for black people. You won't find me walking in and insisting that every historically black organization change their charters yo accommodate me.

    However, if women have ANYTHING AT ALL that is FOR women, they're pressured to throw open the gates to every dude who decides he wants to wear mascara, bras, skirts and heels -- because his imaginary "female brain spot" is more important, more valued than the actual need women have to come together in sisterhood and support one-another in learning and growing without the oppressive, overbearing, invasive and controlling influence of males.

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  42. "Speaking as a feminist, you have no idea what you're talking about"

    Wow how full of yourself can you be?

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  43. "Wow how full of yourself can you be?"

    See, much EASIER trying to impugn the personality of the poster, rather than address the point they made!

    What's WRONG with speaking as a feminist? Just saying where she's coming from. And of course, if she thinks you're totally wrong, she says so. What's 'being full of yourself' about that? Nothing at all.

    "I'd say it's time you turn on the news them .." Which is about THE most unrepresentative source of data you could choose. News channels report what hooks peoples attention.


    Plus even if a trans person gets attacked, where is the data on the intention and motivation of the attacker? How many such attackers state that they committed the attack as a protest against trans identity politics?

    As we've said before, the sort of men (and they are predominantly men) who commit such violence, they don't NEED extra excuses, good ole homophobia and good ole sexism will do the job, and in fact we could have predicted such attacks would occur.

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  44. Can you show me the part where I said being or speaking as a feminist is wrong? No because I didn't say that. You just love giving my messages meanings they don't have for arguments sake. All I said is that that statement shows she's full of herself. "I'm this way so you're wrong because I'm obviously right." In fact, had I made that very comment, you wouldn't argued with me about it. But since it was someone else who agrees with your beliefs, you'll defend to the death that vary comment for no reason.

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