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Friday, March 30, 2012

The Fallacy of the Trans Identity

A female in the unremitting state of transition has taken a NYC health department to court because they questioned the changing of her birth certificate.

It it has been moves such as these along with identity politics from the trans community that completely disprove their reasoning (feeling comfortable in their own bodies) for transitioning! Changing names, pronouns and the little F to an M on their ID's has zero to do with the body, which they claim is where all their problems lie.

From the article: "After having sex-change surgery in (her) late 60s in 2009, Birney applied to change (her) birth certificate. (She) enclosed a doctor's letter saying the operation had been completed successfully".

There currently are no drugs or cosmetic surgeries that can change a persons sex and until there is name changes, pronoun changes and ID changes should not be legally altered. If you hear of a person claiming to be trans because they desperately needed to FEEL better with their bodies, then insist upon changing non body issues, you can be sure they are not truly trans and most certainly not doing anything remotely transgressive!


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29 comments:

  1. how considerate to not want to confuse people!
    'once you pass?'
    it's all entirely about how one is seen innit?

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  2. i'm made 'confused' by all these obviously female people pretending to be male by taking tedtosterone - why can't i be spared this confusion?

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  3. & i'll bet anything she doesn't 'pass''

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  4. s a Butch who has passed since age three, one merely corrects the person who mistakes you for male. Not a big deal. And by doing so it illustrates to the "confused" that woman isnt about what a female looks like, but about who she is.

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  5. Dummies often think I'm a young man too- it's all about a very simplistic thought process which is also employed by believers in Transism.

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  6. Post something about women here and all you get is crickets. Post something about transmen and you get the same 5 pathetic losers who are obsessed with transness. Ever get the feeling these "women" can't get on with their lives for some reason?

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  7. Maybe these "women" are concerned about a serious and growing problem among multitudes of "women" who are buying in to Bullshit?

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  8. I have a question. So you say that /trans/ is supposed to be about the body? But if these people really feel that they're male, through and through,even going as far as to get surgeries to appear as more male, then why shouldn't they expect to have a male marker on their ID or use male pronouns to address them? Just like you're proud to say you're female through and through and expect female pronouns and an F on your ID?

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  9. @Oliver: Because the argument is that there are NO surgeries that can change someone's biological sex.

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  10. It seems to me that you are the "women" buying into bullshit if you believe you have ANY place judging another person's relationship with their body. Most transmen end up much happier after transition and are actually able to get on with their lives. So what's your real stake in this? Can't just let us just get away with this whole *good life* thing while you are miserable? That's what I really suspect unfortunately.

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  11. HAHA, of course, we're just jealous!
    It seems that these are topics that are not allowed to be discussed
    The reasons women want to be seen as men
    And why people with the trans disorder (be they men or women) are lumped together with gay people
    Why is analysis prohibited?

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  12. I mean, is nobody supposed to care at all about anything that anybody does to themselves? I know this is the common way of today, but this is a very selfish mode of living, with blinders on and no concern for how your behaviors affect others- even when transsexualism itself is all about how one is percieved by others!

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  13. "But if these people really feel that they're male, through and through"

    How can you feel a biological state? Do they feel they have a male reproductive system? Do they feel they have male chromosomes or a male organism or even the male bone structure?

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  14. "but this is a very selfish mode of living, with blinders on and no concern for how your behaviors affect others-"

    1. Females are raised to feel selfish for doing ANYTHING they do for themselves alone. They are also raised to shame other females for doing anything that's not for others. It's an archaic form of social control created to keep females thinking about the "community". You're affected by it too. Fuck that.

    2. Do you think that we should deny our desires to transition so that others may witness our unhappiness?

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  15. "How can you feel a biological state?"

    Ha! take some testosterone and you will find out! It's not magic, it's science.

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  16. You're calling yourself a "boi" and then denying other people their identities? Hypocrite.

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  17. 11:38,
    lesbians (and some gay men) have been using the word 'boi' for a long time (i've been called that as well; i think it's silly)
    11:16
    we get it, you love testosterone- not uncommon, since its effects are always considered positives in this culture, POWER! MASS! SEX! (yawn) (just what we need more of, yeah?)
    11:15
    Tanssexualism is NEVER for oneself alone

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  18. " "How can you feel a biological state?"

    Ha! take some testosterone and you will find out! It's not magic, it's science. "

    If you think artificial T = male then you have a poor understanding of science. The female body produces a level of testosterone. The male body contains a level of progesterone. Removing ALL female hormones from the body (thru hysterectomy) and replacing with T actually DOESNT reflect the blood hormone levels of a bio male. Hence why transitioners have complications like very premature balding and other 'old age' associated health problems.

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  19. unlike some transguys i can admit that we will never be fully male. it hurts to accept that. Transition and testosterone mitigate that reality and make it possible to represent myself the way I choose to in the world.

    there are many things i missed out on, and continue to miss out on as a transguy. Rumpled feathers of some internet activists are the least of my worries.

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  20. "You're calling yourself a "boi" and then denying other people their identities? Hypocrite"

    You call yourself sharp but you don't mean the synonym for intelligent do you? You are not even smart enough to use the search option and read why she uses the term boi.

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  21. You will NEVER get rid of trans people no matter how much you cry. Bitch all you want, the trans community will continue to exist and thrive and make legal/social progress regardless of your narrow-minded bigotry.

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  22. The transitioners will not be stopped from transition.

    The argument that transition hurts women is unstable. The constant assertation of this as truth does not make it so.
    Please provide me with just 5 examples of a female being harmed by anouther persons transition.
    No hypotheiticals or ambiguous data. Hard evidence that shows actual harm.
    I do not think you can actually prove your position without falling back on your own theories. That is to say, the data does not back you up.

    If someone in my imediate family was to transition what would be the long term impact on my life?
    I would have to adjust my pronoun set and the name I adress the person by. Thats it. If you are a man or a woman doesn't change anything. Nothing. What men can do, women can do and vice versa.
    To deny a person the right to transition because it might harm others is putting them in the gender straight jacket of your choosing. But I doubt you can see the grotesque of your position.

    Leave other people alone to make their own choices of what to do with thier bodies.
    If someone feels so strong about needing to transition that they do so then perhaps they need to learn somethig. The fact that they will always be geneticaly their birth sex does not change the fact that they will be seen by society at large as theiur target gender. If we see a trans guy in a room most people will have no clue he is trans and just treat him like a guy. The opposite with the male to female transitioner. If these people are being seen as their target gender and treated as such, then they are getting a large part of the experiance of that sex.
    Granted that trans guys will never know some aspects of male life but many normal guys will not experiance all the male life landmarks.

    I think that some people feel a need to experiance both sides of the human experiance in one life time. Who are we to stop them. It is thier body after all. ot mine or yours or societies. Anyone who would make choices for anouther persons body are taking possetion of that persons body and denying them personage.

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    1. How exactly is one 'treated like a guy?'

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    2. I never get an answer to this simple question
      Once the belief in 'being treated like' a man or woman is revealed, the whole theory of inherent Transsexualism has to crumble

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  23. I have no interest in "getting rid of trans people", I have a grave interest in dismantling the systems that create that as well of a whole slew of other disorders. This, like it or not IS the future and I will be one the many who helped to usher in that future.

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  24. Anon@3:16, Clearly you are unfamiliar with Foreigner, not the story behind DWB. Try actually reading the blog, you might learn something, as well as informing yourself on BF history.

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  25. I agree with you that the transgender movement is fundamentally hypocritical. They say it doesn't matter what your sex is, but yet they are obsessed with being labeled as one sex or another and go into a narcissistic rage if you don't address them the way they want to be addressed.

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  26. The only purpose of having gender in ID is to se it's the right person, wich is no longer working, since there is a lot of people who does not conform to the gender sterotypes. So I personally think it should be removed.

    Also I belive society would be better with only gender neutral pronun, cause it does not say anything about the person and the presentation with what genetalia you were born with... It's just not something anyone should care about unless they want a sexuall relationship with you, maybe.

    Today most places dosen't have a gender neutral pronun, so therefor I think the next best thing is to let people identify themselfes, trans or not.

    To then use this identifyer to call the person something it no longer is, yes that could be offensive, since what you then to is to not notice what body he/she have now.
    What would be a better way of not recognizing the person as it's chosen gender is to just don't mention gender, at all, ever about the person.
    or find out a gender neutral version.
    Wich also would be more correct, since in fact, after a full transition the body is not male or female.

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  27. Anon@3:30am, the only reason you would think that is because of the misogyny behind those pronouns.

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