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Thursday, January 26, 2012

Feminine?



Who is more feminine and why?

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  1. I've no doubt that all three are female, but the one on the bottom is the most feminine. I say this because while I can't say that she loves her body, she does not hate it enough to mutilate it and make it ugly. Loving oneself is a beautiful thing.

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  2. My first impression was that #1 still has a very feminine chest, and reads female.
    I assume person #2 has gone through cancer surgery, but it's not making her appear less female. The feminine styling helps.
    #3 is the most typical photo of a nude female torso.

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  3. I assume #2 has had cancer surgery as well, and what makes the difference for me between #1 and #2 is #2 is SMILING as if to say -- I'm strong, I've survived this disease, and I'm not ashamed of my battle scars.

    #1 just looks like a grumpy bugger, and no matter how much she trys to do the whole mean, muscley, manly man thing, her hips still give her away.

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  4. O, I should add that the lower picture is stereotypical male imagery of the female, in that she is smooth, hairless, and wonderfully symmetrical, without droopy asymmetruc breasts like most women I've met! Plus the reduction of female to a headless torso, a la Venus de Milo, a collection of body parts for the male gaze.

    I'd say the third is bland, male gaze femininity, the first is deluded attempt at male-gaze masculinity, and the second is more like actual, lived, femaleness.

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  5. But are any less female (female bodied=feminine) than the next?

    dirt

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  6. I'd guess they are all equally female. The first one has a mental disorder (not sure if that's the PC way to put it,) the second has had physical problems (like cancer) and the third shows a female torso.

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  7. "Must feel icky to sit in judgement of others all the time. "

    Why should a discussion about femininity or otherwise be seen as some sort of moral judgement? We're not the ones saying that someone's gender (if you want to look at feminine/masculine that way) matters, and as regards biology, feminine or masculine is just simple fact 99.9999% of the time.

    It only becomes a problematic 'judgement', something on which you can pass or fail as it were, IF you first believe in gender...........

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  8. Plus surely the actual point here is NOT about the subjects of the photographs (which could be computer created for all we know), but how WE as viewers react to the visual language of gender and /or biology.......

    The only ones really being judged here are ourselves!

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  9. No two is the most female because we see her face and see her as a woman. She's obviously had surgery but she could have lost a leg etc. She is female because she was born, I presume, with XX chromosones.

    The other two are objectified. One: the torso and the body, presumeably operated on to remove excess breast tissue still has the feminine hour glass around the waist, the third is the same only with breasts. Remove the head and focus only on the body parts objectifies the person.

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  10. Objectification is purely in the eye of the beholder anon. Very telling indeed.

    dirt

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  11. "I'd guess they are all equally female. The first one has a mental disorder (not sure if that's the PC way to put it)"

    Agree with you. Also, mental disorder is just the truth I hate when people think that implies a moral judgement.

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  12. I'm a transguy, and I know you don't necessarily want me posting, nevertheless I had a reaction to this post that I found interesting, and maybe you might too.
    Looking at all three, somehow, I really liked the last one the best, it just seemed so natural, and so attractive. Somehow, it almost feels I would find it easier to accept that one as a man if they were a transguy than the buff one with the chest-surgery. I don't know why I felt this way, but it was strongly impressed upon me.

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  13. the first 2 look like women with mastectomies- one done for mental illness and one for physical
    the 3rd looks approx. like what i'm working with- hope it's not really a bloke or something

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  14. why would Kor accept the 3rd as a man?
    so wacked

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  15. I would say they were all equally feminine given that they are all female.

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  16. Femininity and masculinity are human personality traits. All humans have feminine and masculine attributes. It has absolutely nothing to do with how one looks. The first individual is (i'm assumeing) FTM and more than likely the least feminine of the three. The second indivdual looks the most feminine to me by the way she is posing, quite joyous and proud of her femininity. The third could be masculine or feminine, its just the naked torso of a woman. Breast tissue dosen't make one feminine or masculine, its just part of a female body. Some males have more feminine attributes than females and visa versa.

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  17. Anon 1:24 - masculinity and femininity are NOT universally agreed upon traits. They vary widely between cultures. Have you ever heard someone say "is he gay or french?" (I know, very un PC!) but it goes to show that in this culture speaking expressively, gesturing etc. is considered feminine - and in other cultures its not.

    I think this proves that 'gender' (masculine/feminine) is socially evolved, not biologically evolved.

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  18. @MNDR
    My point is simply that femininity/masculinity are behaviors and are not necessarily linked to xx/xy chromosomes that a person is born with. I am VERY aware that every culture has there own definition and expression of those behaviors.

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  19. I contend that labeling behaviors masculine or feminine does more harm than good, especially among people with strong desires to gender-conform in order to match their behavior.

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  20. The fact that the woman who survived cancer is able to pose for this picture and look so happy and beautiful inspite of it all makes her the most feminine.

    The FTM cashed in thier femininity.

    The young beautiful woman I am not so sure of. I am guessing the picture was taken from porn. If so she needs to grow up and become a woman. If the picture was from something artsy, then she is a model and is making money off her body, which I am not so sure how I feel about that.

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  21. All three are 100% female, therefore none are more feminine than the other, unless you ignorantly subscribe to patriarchy's hyper femininity.

    dirt

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  22. The one on the bottom; hands down....boobs and feminine curves!! The black and white, all womon minus boobs. The one to the left, I guess she is getting a sex-change (bummer) minus her boobs being removed, why??

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  23. "Femininity and masculinity are human personality traits. All humans have feminine and masculine attributes."

    The first sentence makes a great BIG assumption -- that someone just IS either masculine or feminine, and that that very crude measure can be used to label a whole bunch of people.

    Humans have MANY personality traits, many and varied. Some come grouped together for various reasons, but dividing that mass of diversity into feminine and masculine ONLY makes sense if you believe personality traits are stringly linked to biology and biological SEX. It is true for some species of animals, but humans aren't that sexually dimorphic.

    So femininity and masculinity then best make sense either as some very loose innate connection/correlation between sex and behaviour, OR as a much stronger but LEARNT set of behaviours.

    Says mors about society than it does about individuals 'gender', the delusion that you feel gender is innate to you, whereas instead it is produced by the interaction between you and the rest of society.

    We are all human, just society LOVES to divide us up on the grounds of sex, and uses supposedly 'natural' differences in behaviour or sets of behavioural traits to try and justify different treatment.

    Keeping the same traits, just trying to divorce them from sex isn't much better, the problem is the two supposedly 'natural' sets of behaviours, not just the linkage to sex.

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