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Wednesday, January 11, 2012

Dysphoria-A Weekly Reminder:





There are a multitude of variables that create dysphoria, and not a single one of those variables has anything to do with trans. Which is why the current "treatment' for the trans disorder does not cure the trans person from continuing to suffer from dysphoria.

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  1. I don't think it cures anything, just masks the dysphoria.

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  2. True. Many ftms say that bottom dysphoria becomes worst after top surgery. Dysphoria never disappears it just gets redirected to new parts and characteristics of the body. And that's just body dysphoria, social and mental dysphoria never disappears.
    I know of ftms who have had surgery and been on T for years and still feel dysphoric.

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  3. Dysphoria affects ALL women of all ages in a multitude of ways, it isnt limited to those who develop the trans disorder. Like many other terms the "dysphoria" is yet another the trans community has co-opted.

    It is important that we as women discuss how dysphoria affects us sans any transness. Acknowledging that dysphoria is a female issue amid misogyny is the beginning for each of us to work through our own individual dysphoria.

    dirt

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  4. How is it that we are "co-opting" a term that actually applies to us? What a paranoid, wretched, boob you are!

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  5. "How is it that we are "co-opting" a term that actually applies to us?"

    Think of a certain C word (3 letters, thanks,) that has been widely adopted by trans to describe non-transitioners. It describes our experiences as being congruent and comfortable within nutty gender roles. Such a false assertion. This is where co opting comes in - claiming that an idea or experience is your sole preserve.

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  6. I have been following your blog for sometime now and I do admit I agree with you on some things and disagree on others.

    Yes I did ponder transition and went into the whole transition phase of being depressed because of not being born male and not having the money to have the surgeries and not being able to get T. Looking at all the websites and such and seeing people progress in their physical transition and just being so upset and depressed over what I saw in the mirror.

    Thank goodness I was not a teenager or in my early 20s when I was going through this but in my early to mid 30s because I would have made one BIG mistake if I opted to transition.

    Transition is a mask of who you are inside. If gender is between the ears, who cares what society sees. You are who you are no matter what society thinks.

    Why am I posting, because I just want to get the message out that even if you "feel trans" you don't have to undergo elective surgery which is risky because it requires general anesthesia or make the unhealthy decision to go on hormones, just think about it. What does the medical community offer that you can't offer yourself?

    If, in fact you really are a "man in the wrong body" why do you need to prove it to the world? And why is it that most ftm's don't opt for bottom (I don't buy because the medical community hasn't made any progress in that area, because in just the last ten years they have) and if you were actually a male you wouldn't care how small it is, if it functions as it should, if you "don't like the look of it" etc. you would just desire to look as male as possible even if your bottom parts don't look or function as a bio male - you would want it.

    Honestly I believe they don't opt for it because the world doesn't generally see it.

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  7. Dysphoria is a human issue. Not limited to any gender, race, sexual orientation, or background of any kind. It's an issue that everyone goes through. It just effects people differently.

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  8. hmmm. " i didn't transition, yet i see fit to judge and condemn others who did, even though i don't actually have the experience of transitioning to speak from." Riiiiight.

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  9. "" i didn't transition, yet i see fit to judge and condemn others who did, even though i don't actually have the experience of transitioning to speak from." Riiiiight."

    O get over yourself! We have someone who had a relevant experience, that is DIFFERENT to those who did transition.

    Is just having a different experience/coming to a different conclusion such a challenge that merelt stating 'I didn't make that decision' seen automatically as criticism of those who did?

    Gawd, I get thoroughly sick of this attempted blanket of silence. Thou shalt not DISCUSS trans, thou shalt not say anything about your experience which may be different from mine (because your making a different choice JUDGES mine as wrong..). thou shalt not say anything at all that is critical in ANY way of whatever a trans person chooses to do, thos shalt not express ANY opinion about how they want the rest of us to address them...............

    The issue here, let's face it, ISN'T what people here are saying that is critical, but WHY planet trans cares so much about anyone voicing any dissent/disagreement. It's actually just a secret acknowledgement tha gender IS socially constructed, hence why trans seems to care so much about the rest of us not AGREEING with their supposed internal, innate sense of gender or gender classification. Because it is ALL about what they imagine everyone else thinks of them, even though that loops round and becomes internalized, so that what is actually their internal reaction to what society has imposed via gender conditioning becomes seen as innate.

    We judge ideas (every thinking human DOES), and on planet trans, judging the ideology is seen as judging or condeming those who have mistakenly come to believe in that flawed ideology. Like religious believers, who can't cope with atheists because they feel that the atheist is saying that they are stoopid for believing in such nonsense............

    As an atheist bothn ijn terms of gender and god, that's NOT what I'm saying, because if getting rid of religion or gender was as simple as pointing out how daft it is, then those specific memes would never have got a foothold in the first place (sorry, wentb all Dawkins there mentioning religion and memes, but I do find it a useful concept sometimes!)

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  10. saying that transition is a mask is a clear judgement. i try not to speak about things i havent experienced personally. and i give people who do very little credence.

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  11. " i try not to speak about things i havent experienced personally."

    Does this mean you also don't speak about some everyday things cause you haven't experienced them personally?
    I can tell you that war is bad and flying to the moon is good although I didn't experienced these things personally. Why do you limit yourself?

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  12. Uh, i'm pretty sure that war is bad but i wouldn't say that to a veteran. For one thing, a veterans experience with war is far more personal and often traumatic. My opinion of war has little relevance and it's unlikely that I would have anything of value to teach a vet about war.

    I find that people sound ridiculous talking with authority about things they don't understand and haven't experienced. Men, women, everyone. Women on this list who claim that male privilege is the motivation for transitioning clearly have no idea what the downsides are of being seen as male. You can only guess at things and it makes you sound like idiots.

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  13. "Women on this list who claim that male privilege is the motivation for transitioning clearly have no idea what the downsides are of being seen as male"

    I have been 'seen as male' on and off throughout my life? So have many women. Of course there are down sides, but to ignore the upsides is wilful ignorance. I didn't like being mistaken for boy because I was called gay and sissy and had footballs kicked at my head. But none of these risks to being seen as male exist in a bubble - they are part and parcel of misogyny and conservatism. Think about it, if misogyny has the power to hurt men how much do you reckon it's hurting women? Please.

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  14. 3:23
    You only discuss or think about things you've personally experienced?
    What a bore!
    Or are you frightened of your own capacity?
    Anyway, I think transsexualism is silly. (myself I am androgynous female and still often taken for lad)
    I also think Dirt is a bit of a kook.

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  15. " i didn't transition, yet i see fit to judge and condemn others who did, even though i don't actually have the experience of transitioning to speak from." Riiiiight."

    Yes, because I didn't take the "easy road" and yes being a butch or a masculine female in life when compared to going under the knife to cut breasts off with your student loans or mommy and daddy funding it or just out right asking online and taking T is an easier road - you wear a mask of bio male everyday therefore you have the privilege that comes with it - until you have to deal with people and come out as someone who was born female like doctors and new partners.

    I'm guessing you are trans because this is the same trans- privivledge attitude I got online and off from ftms though I do admit I am a stronger person because I am I am and I didn't have to waste money on unnecessary surgery to be who I am, so yeah I'm not helping to pay a doctor to buy yet another house. Plus most of you use the word "pass" and what eactly are you "passing" as? In trans term, it means being seen as a bio male which is just another way of saying I'm fooling people into thinking I'm A when in reality I'm B - that's a mask to me.

    RIIIIIIGHT!

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  16. Plus body dysphoria doesn't go away after "transition" it just goes to another part of the body - how many ftms are into body building, have an ed, are obsessed with exercise or clothing or lossing their hair or growing facial hair or shaving off said facial hair. No matter how many surgeries you get or how much T you pump into your body you cannot escape the fact you were born female - which is why most ftms are coupled with other ftms, bi or queer ID'ed women. Very few are with het women and if you're woman says she's het and you haven't had bottom surgery that's a BIG LIE, why because het women love men's bodies just like lesbians love women's bodies and yeah what's in between your legs count! I personally don't know any lesbian who would date a man or a het women who would date a ftm minus bottom surgery. No sorry your dicklet (a trans term) don't count!

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  17. @ January 13, 2012 7:25 PM
    "or a het women who would date a ftm minus bottom surgery. No sorry your dicklet (a trans term) don't count!"

    Bingo! The emperor is buck (angel) naked~!

    I will play nice and call you sir if it makes you happy but I sure as hell wouldn't date any man who was "lacking" down below, and I can say with all certainty that there is not a single one of my GF's who would knowingly date one either!" Sorry "dudes" but it is sorta a set requirement in the straight world. You know! That then men have penises? That it's the women who have the vaginas? And frankly, I don't care how much hair you have on your chinny chin chin, or how much you swagger,or how much beer you drink. If you can't back it up when it's time for the pants to come down then you sure got yourself one hell of a problem!

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  18. Thank you, Miz Know-It-All for being courageous enough to speak the truth. Heterosecual women do not want to date a person with female genitalia, if they did they wouldn't be heterosexual women they would be homosexual women. To add just a little bit more clarity heterosexual women may enjoy "toys" but no het woman I know feels a "toy" is a true replacement for the real thing.

    As I stated when I came into this discussion, I will leave with it, most ftms don't have bottom surgery because it's not what the world generally sees. While it is upsetting to men to have gynecomastia, they would be absolutely devastated if they didn't have male genitalia. If it was a toss up between the two they would opt for gynecomastia in a millisecond yet ftms are "devastated" by having breasts but it's okay they have female genitalia.

    So it's all about what the world sees, it's a smoke and mirrors world. That's speaks to a weak identity.

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  19. "While it is upsetting to men to have gynecomastia, they would be absolutely devastated if they didn't have male genitalia"

    All that demonstrates is that a) losing a body part is traumatic, and b) in this world a penis is a status-giver which a man would not want to lose. There is no proof that a brain containing Y chromosomes contains some kind of blueprint for a dick whether or not there is one plumbed in. I'm just cautious about 'brain map' theories when there is no proof. I agree that ftm indifference towards bottom surgery flies in the face of some of the trans community's claims.

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  20. "My opinion of war has little relevance.."

    Can I just flag up this DANGEROUS attitude here!

    YEs, your opinion of war matters, especially when your government sees fit to start one. Whether or not you think that such a war is ethical DOES matter, whether or not you're going to be on the fromt line getting shot at.

    It's part of being in a democracy and being part of society. SO, what SOCIETY thinks about what makes men men and women women matters, what society says about the appropriate roles of men and women matters, whether or not you agree with that matters -- gender and ideas around gender affect us ALL, no matter how much the trans crowd try to deny it. And trans is part of what is going on in our society around gender. Hence open for discussion, whether you're trans or not.

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  21. "Plus body dysphoria doesn't go away after "transition" it just goes to another part of the body "

    If people just said -- I just want to have surgery, then they'd be treated like any other person with body dysphoria, or any other person who wanted cosmetic surgery. It's when they try to legitimise that by saying -- I want it BECAUSE I'm really a man, and being a man means I have an unbreakable mental need for the right body bits -- hence you have to redefine what we ALL mean by 'man' to accomodate me -- that it becomes a dangerous idea.

    The need to look male (as opposed to others needs to look like a cat, or be an amputee) has the additional issue that it is possible to claim that it's not just some individual need, but NATURAL because they have a male brain or whatever.

    I'm not a lesbian, I'd say, because I can't HELP IT (i.e. that it is natural for some humans to be homosexual), but why not? It's just what I do, what's wrong with that? Similarly, if someone just said -- I want this surgery because I want it -- without trying to claim that is is NATURAL for them to want it, then we wouldn't have a problem, and could leave questions as to whether or not they could have it, or whether it was ethical to perform it to the medics. DO what you wnat to your own body provided you can persuade someone to do it. But when it is claimed that it is somehow natural, or to treat some sort of medical or psychological condition that the rest of us should pay for in some sense, then it becomes an issue for the rest of us.

    O, and when after such surgery, someone biologically male wants to use the womens loo, then it becomes an issue for women.................

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