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Wednesday, December 28, 2011

The Gender Straight Jacket at the Heart of FemaleTransition and Fear

From a board I was emailed a link to this morning, where 'bouts this space is being whined about how "anti-feminist" it is:






A young female transitioner who clearly hasnt found happiness in her ongoing transition BUT in what she feels is a perk of that ongoing transition, not having (like other females) to where a skirt to court. So rather than work to challenge the ignorant patriarchal notions of the gender straight jacket that these courts are upholding, she prides herself in hiding her own femaleness behind facial hair and a lower voice. Sounds rather "anti-feminist" to me, no? Also it is yet more proof of how the internalization of misogyny and the gender straight jacket are working to develop this trans disorder among females.

Challenge patriarchy, challenge misogyny, challenge the gender straight jacket, do NOT cower in the face of fear by turning that fear inward! Change society, not your brain and body!

dirt

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  1. ???
    No one but me has a say in what I do to my body.

    Anyone who would try and stop me from doing wha I want to is hyjacking my right to do as I please.

    Good luck baning transition. But if you do, you can be proud you took ownership of the bodies of other women and put them in their place.

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  2. Anon ~ If what you say is true, then 'anyone who would try and stop Dirt from doing what she wants to is hijacking HER right to do as she pleases', which she IS doing - and you cannot deny her rights.
    And if the end of transitioning comes, then it is the result not of taking "ownership of the bodies of other women and put them in their place", but because the women are given an intelligence-based option of info. Now that I think of it, how dare you even think that females have no thought in their head - that they have to be forced into stopping something they want to do or be, and are helpless to change that instead of reasoning logically through being well-informed. Hmmmm, that sounds pretty archaic to me. You support the suppression and repression of womens' rights?

    The only thing I have seen Dirt do on this site is to be a voice FOR females - one that is hard to find. Apparently she knows something you do not and wants to share the info she's researched for a very long time. So you throw sticks and stones at her because you don't like what she's said.

    So, it makes me wonder - why do you keep coming back to this site if you don't like what you read? Why do you keep doing that? Perhaps it is because you are learning true things you didn't know about, don't know what to do with the info so you try to hurt the messenger. You need something else to do to keep yourself busy, honey, rather than try to ruin someone else's hard work. Would you like that done to you?

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  3. One thing I have noticed about F2T's is that their feelings get hurt so easily... and by what? Reality! They absolutely hate it when someone even hints that there is a reality out there in the real world and that they are females. They have totally bought into the patriarchal nonsense that men are somehow better than women, and they think that by being F2T, that they are escaping oppression... when in fact they are letting that oppression rule their lives!

    One thing I have noticed about transgenders in general is that they're all about stereotypes and shallowness. F2T's rejoice over growing whiskers and getting a deeper voice, as if those things are what makes a man. M2T's are the same way about growing breasts and wearing dresses. These people live in their own little imaginary world. They are so totally out of touch with reality that it is no surprise that they react so negatively when truth comes knocking at their door.

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  4. To Anon @ December 28, 2011 12:10 PM:"No one but me has a say in what I do to my body."
    Yes they do. The changement of your body is limited by laws and general societal ideas.

    Want to voluntarily cut off your leg? You will be put in a mental hospital.
    Want medicines to kill yourself, or, at least, to shorten your life? Illegal.
    Want six fingers on each hand? Too bad, society has decided you don't need that, therefore no surgeon knows how to do that.

    Hell, it is even practically impossible for a woman to let her womb being removed before the age of 40.

    It's only a matter of deleting the "disease" of "gender dysphoria" out of the DSM and... whoops, there go your "rights".

    But, assuming that *every* body change indeed would be both legal and possible (as you seem to wish - nice point for an ethics class, btw) then why not get a cleverly disguised robotic hammer-tail to slap predators? Why not a vagina AND a penis? An infra-red eye? Why your wishes are so extremely, annoyingly CONFORMIST?

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  5. I don't think most trans-sceptics have any desire to control what women (wait, aren't they really men?) do to their bodies.
    We also have no say in what alcoholics, heroin-addicts, anorexics, plastic-surgery-disasters, etc. do to their bodies, but that doesn't mean we haven't the right to discuss societal and psychological reasons for these behaviors.

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  6. Have to love the internalize misogyny in that one! She wants to be a man so she can wear pants into court!

    I have an easier solution: just wear pants into court! Duh!

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  7. If you find yourself overly preoccupied with issues of transness, though you identify as a woman or lesbian now, you may want to cut to the chase with this issue. People who can find peace with their womanhood are able to move on in some way, but many of you are not able to do that. Why? How does this affect you? The answer is in the question and it may take you unnecessary years to figure it out. I'm only saying this because I've seen far too many people get angry at transmen, only to turn around and transition later. Don't cause further damage to yourself by refusing to admit what you want, because that shit will never go away. For people who are actually trans, no amount of feminist theory will change their desire to transition. No amount of guilt or pressure from the "community" will change your desire to transition, it will only succeed in isolating you. Isolating you is what that guilt and pressure is designed to do to keep it's borders intact and identity homogenous. Like the church, like a cop, like a mother it wants you to step in line and never stray. This kind of force is nothing new or particularly interesting. These tactics have been used for thousands of years. You can't trust other people to tell you who you are because other people are too scared to ask themselves the same question. This is how other people become toxic. They have too much of a vested interest in the outcome of your identity. It sure is scary to feel alone.



    This issue is complicated and can cause alot of pain. Don't hurt yourself or others any more than you already have.

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  8. "then why not get a cleverly disguised robotic hammer-tail to slap predators?"

    That's the very next thing on my list of surgeries! I can't believe someone else had the same idea...

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  9. Such a big deal has been made over one guys statement about wearing a suit to work! It's the little things in life that make us happy sometimes lol.
    I find it strange that Dirt is so close minded! In my heart I know I am male and I always have done, since I was young enough to talk! and to be honest how society sees me isn't even the important part, it's how I feel about my own body. I hated my body so much I would starve myself so that I didn't have curves or periods! Transitioning through hormones was the best thing I ever did, I look and sound totally male, have a good body and everyone in my life accepts me :) I live a great life now, I am so happy!
    How can anyone deny somebody of that?
    Sorry for the rant, just the thought of somebody forcing me to stay living as a female makes me feel awful! :/
    Lew

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  10. Lew... You are not a male. If you were, there would have been no need for those things that you have done, because your body would have already been producing copious amounts of testosterone.

    You say that you have always known you were male, but I'm afraid that what you felt was a dissatisfaction with the gender straight jacket and its way of forcing you into a mold, simply because you are female.

    I have far more respect for butch women because they are the ones with courage, the ones who stood their ground and stuck up for themselves. F2T's simply give in, disguising yourselves to appear make, so as not to upset the apple cart. You are, in a word, cowards.

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  11. 2:03
    now that sounds truly hateful, wishing suffering on people because of their belief (in reality).

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  12. Lew
    What does 'living as a female' entail exactly?

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  13. "What does 'living as a female' entail exactly?"

    I guess it has something to do with playing with dolls, wearing dresses, the color pink, being weak and so on...the list will never end.

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  14. "...then why not get a cleverly disguised robotic hammer-tail to slap predators?"

    Anons at 4:03 PM and 7:45 PM, I also want one. THIS would be some sensible surgery, finally. LOL!

    "I hated my body so much I would starve myself so that I didn't have curves or periods!"

    I am sorry to disappoint you, Lew - you are not a man, you are a fellow anorexic.

    "I guess it has something to do with playing with dolls, wearing dresses, the color pink, being weak and so on...the list will never end."

    Bee, you are absolutely right. We also shouldn't forget having a female brain! Because you know, brains have sex!

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  15. "If you find yourself overly preoccupied with issues of transness, though you identify as a woman or lesbian now, you may want to cut to the chase with this issue. People who can find peace with their womanhood are able to move on in some way, but many of you are not able to do that. Why?"

    I don't know, because we care? Because we want to stop others from making mistakes we may or may not have made ourselves? Because we now the struggle it is to accept yourself as female when society thinks you're not female enough?
    Many of us have moved on, but it doesn't mean we don't care about those who are facing the very same struggle we have faced.
    If you're implying that we're trans-in-denial and therefore preoccupied with transness then think about this: who is more obsessed by transness? Women like Dirt who do what they can to help females who are not hyperfeminine accept themselves as females? Or trans"men" who have their bodies shoot up with testosterone, their breast removed and sometimes fake penises surgically created on their bodies; and who also spend large amounts of money (sometimes saving money for several years) to be able to have this surgeries?

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  16. "You are, in a word, cowards."

    Right, because NO ONE KNOWS I'm trans, right? Because no one in the public has seen my transition? Because we are not vulnerable as transsexuals. Because we don't suffer any oppression as transpeople. Because it was easy to come out to my friends and family and risk losing them. Because there is so much respect for transpeople in the world.

    You can't and shouldn't conflate butchness with transness as it does all of us a disservice. You are the coward.

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  17. "Because we don't suffer any oppression as transpeople."

    By the way don't forget that many of you people oppress others too - critics etc.

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  18. Bee, I think you need a better understanding of the word "oppression" in the context it was used.

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  19. I think the current rise in transsexualism must be related to the growing sense of disconnection between mind and body that exists throughout our 'civilized' society. Perhaps this is good evolutionary, for when humans end up just brains in jars or something, but it strikes me as very odd all this talk about 'my brain versus my body' as though they are not the same thing and the 'me' is a separate almost God-like controller of both of them.

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  20. (looking over my (above) post I see I should have said 'evolutionarily' instead of 'evolutionary-' sorry, wrote half asleep under the blankets)

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  21. I think the current rise in FtM's is partly because these young Lesbians look back at how we were 20 years ago and cringe (I even occassionally cringe looking back)and don't want to be that. Also, a lot of them aren't androgenous enough to ever be able to dress like a male and pass just for fun or whatever it is they imagine it's like. Also, they don't seem to realize they could do or be whatever they want in the privacy of their bedroom, and find partners easier, than going the FtM route and permanently mangling themselves and having to pretend anyway.
    And how are trans people "oppressed" anyway? Trans don't even know what rights they are fighting for. Gay and Lesbian definately know. Trans is a disorder like countless others and having problems is just part of being human.

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  22. It has nothing to do with living as what society consider a male. Most of my friends are female, some lesbians, some femenists, and I totally love to see women not following 'society', my friends all dress and act however they want!
    For me it was an absolute MUST to change my body to male. Nothing to do with society, it is how I feel comfortable in my own skin.
    LOL at anon saying I am an annorexic?! I have a very healthy body and diet now. I don't understand why somebody would rather me live as an 'anorexic' than live as a 'man'... Living as a man isn't harming myself or anyone else.
    Living as male and looking male is how I feel happy...
    Obviously I know I am not biologically male but I look, sound and live as male, and that's enough for me to be happy!

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  23. Lew
    What does 'living as male' entail exactly?

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  24. Why is 'comfort' the highest goal?

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  25. It seems that 'living as a man' or 'living as a woman' is entirely based on how one is treated by society. (Aside from digging your artificial body in the mirror)

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  26. comfort is paramount these days, as if everybody is on their death-beds
    'all we can do at this point is keep the patient comfortable'

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  27. Unfortunately people don't really learn until later in life (end - 30's - 40's)not to care so much what "society" thinks. Some things are preprogrammed for regret later - like transitioning, getting tattoos all over your face, etc.

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  28. "For me it was an absolute MUST to change my body to male. Nothing to do with society, it is how I feel comfortable in my own skin."

    Can I pick your brain a moment. if transsexualism does exist on a brain/body map level, transition as it stands will not come close to bringing comfort to sufferers. Even if surgery provides you with a fairly authentic looking penis, you will be missing testicles, prostate, etc. In effect, SRS 'fixes' the tip of the iceberg. Does it not worry you that after you look like an approximation of male, your brain will still
    sense the missing internal structures and you will suffer as before?

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  29. i think 'sounding like' and 'looking like' is all most transes are after, which is why it's primarily purely societal and not so much internal

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  30. "Does it not worry you that after you look like an approximation of male, your brain will still
    sense the missing internal structures and you will suffer as before?"

    Testosterone does change the brain and the body alot. I like the changes, though I will admit that I would love to have a penis. I have always wanted a penis. Who wouldn't want to be deep inside the person they love and be able to feel it? Isn't there a *single* woman on this list who will admit to ever having craved that feeling? Now, I can be inside my wife and we can both feel it, but not as far as I'd like to be. But, I have to say that it's a pretty fucking awesome feeling compared to no penetration at all. And there is always the strap-on for her continued pleasure.

    When all is said and done, I know I took a very long time to consider my transition, accepting that it would give me some of what I want but not all. I know how to let the rest go because that's how being sane works. Being dissatisfied with some part of life is the human condition and acceptance is the cure. Most of you don't give transmen enough credit for having a thoughtful process because you'd rather watch the videos of teenagers and judge based on that. To actually have an honest, vulnerable conversation with a mature ftm where you actually hear what he is saying is more than you can risk, I think. Besides, many of you are convinced that we need to justify ourselves to you. We don't. Who needs that?

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  31. "Some things are preprogrammed for regret later - like transitioning, getting tattoos all over your face, etc."

    Oh? Are you regretting your transition?

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  32. Your comment is a complete trying to justify yourself to "us". Also, stay on T long enough you'll want and get plenty O penis.

    dirt

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  33. Been on T for close to 3 years and I sure as hell don't want to sleep with men. I'm strictly into women but only one in particular, my fiancee' of 3 years and 4 months. I have never been sexually attracted and never have been and never will be.

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  34. There is help for that Hawk.

    dirt

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  35. "Who wouldn't want to be deep inside the person they love and be able to feel it? Isn't there a *single* woman on this list who will admit to ever having craved that feeling?"

    Someone here has obviously never read a single word from feminists about the cultural meanings of penetration! And then also assumes that ALL women want to be able to do this just as much as men do!

    women who WANT to be men convince themselves this is what they want (because real men seem to want it so much), and also that it is what the (heterosexual) women they are sleeping with want as well, because then they can be REAL men having REAL heterosexual sex getting all hot and bothered about penetration (although same goes for active gay men).

    What about what feminists and lesbians have been talking about for years? That orgasm, even for straight women, isn't usually based on the male holy grail of penetration? What about taking pleasure from giving your partner pleasure, whatever part of your body you use for that task (fingers, toes, lips, tongue, elbows, knees etc etc). Nope, all this feminist work on women and womens sexuality to be forgotten yet again and replaced by the supposed sublime pleasures of being a penetrator! Even when all you have to penetrate someone with a misplaced chunk of your arm or thigh................

    As we all knew, DEEPLY sexist and misogynistic, but then that just bolsters the 'real man' credentials of the deluded female writing this crap.

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  36. BD, in the US alone 75% of women do not orgasm from PIV sex, but sex as women know it, is about male pleasure. This female's comment reads like the one about transitioning so as not to have to wear a skirt. Neither are interested in challenging the misogyny, they are only selfishly interested in maintaining the sexist, misogynistic status quo so long as they can be on the male side of that status quo.

    dirt

    dirt

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  37. i'm a lesbian who uses the strapon sometimes- i do enjoy that type of hands-free penetration, mostly for visual reasons, but my once-(longtime)-hetero gf actually can do without it and prefers less male-imitative sex most of the time and certainly wouldn't like me to become hairy and flat-chested-- at least the strap comes off and we're left with 2 perfect female bodies together- dicks and hairiness and man-smell she could have from going back to real men which the idea of now grosses her out

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  38. 3 years isn't very long, Hawk
    I mean it's like going through puberty right, starting testosterone?
    So that would make you sexually around 15-16 years old?

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  39. "Testosterone does change the brain"

    But isn't your brain already male? How can testosterone change anything?

    Do you have a reasonable scientific explanation?

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  40. That's a really good point, Bee.

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  41. "Who wouldn't want to be deep inside the person they love and be able to feel it? Isn't there a *single* woman on this list who will admit to ever having craved that feeling?"

    Disclaimer: I am asexual so perhaps there is some bias. But it occurs to me that a penis isn't necessary for penetrating someone. Also I have met a few gay men who won't top, so I gathered that wanting to penetrate your partner isn't a sexed trait.

    Back to the question I was asking before - would your transition be completed by a surgically constructed penis,
    or do you think you would instintively 'feel' your missing prostate etc?

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  42. There is help for that Hawk.

    I meant to say that I have never been sexually attracted to men and never will be. I was half asleep last night when I commented.

    Happy New Year to you!

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  43. 3 years isn't very long, Hawk
    I mean it's like going through puberty right, starting testosterone?
    So that would make you sexually around 15-16 years old?

    Even at 15-16 going through puberty, you still know if you are attracted to men or women. I was only attracted to women at 15-16 growing up. Hell, even way before that I liked women.

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  44. Hawk, you and thousands of other lesbians, till they went on T long term. Never say never hun. Also Hawk, I find it odd that a heterosexual man like yourself would be hanging around a woman/lesbian space. Very odd indeed. Hmmm.

    dirt

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  45. So I can tell the truth about transitioning. Just because I am on T does not mean that I will ever be attracted to men. I have never had the desire to be with a man. I think the FTM's that date men were either straight before transitioning or were bi. I don't worry about who other people are attracted to or sleep with as it's none of my business or concern.

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  46. Hawk, as you're in the throws of a serious mental disorder, you dont know what the truth is. Also you clearly cannot read and follow proper direction regarding this WOMANS space which I suggest you do.

    dirt

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  47. "Just because I am on T does not mean that I will ever be attracted to men."

    Hawk has a point here. There are no studies about how testosterone has an influence on sexual orientation. I think we should only rely on reasonable science.

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  48. I don't know what the numbers are regarding women who act as 'gay men' after testosterone; I only know what I've witnessed firsthand... it's definitely the common trajectory among the young 'hipster' ftm population in New York City at the moment.

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  49. I agree with Bee on sticking to fact rather than anecdata. What I've seen IS that former lesbians go with men after transition. but what I've also heard and had no reason to disbelieve, is that these women were always bi but only CHOSE to partner with men when they no longer had to fulfil the role of 'the little wife' in a relationship with a man. Sad motivation to transition of course.

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  50. ""Testosterone does change the brain"

    But isn't your brain already male? How can testosterone change anything?

    Do you have a reasonable scientific explanation?"

    I must say that I think you are being intentionally obtuse Bee. I never said that testosterone makes the brain *male*. I said it changes it.

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  51. "I said it changes it"

    How does it change? And why are there changes anyway? If your brain is male then why is your brain changin under the influence of T? Please explain it. Is there any scientific data?

    This kind of Chimerism (having XX and XY chromosomes in one body) is possible. But people with chimerism have ambiguous genitala and are very rare.

    http://medind.nic.in/jae/t06/i1/jaet06i1p24.pdf

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  52. Exactly Bee. The simple FACT is were a minute sample of brain matter tested from female transitioners, we all know their brains would come back XX.

    dirt

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  53. I am trans and normaly do not agree with Dirt.
    But something Hawk said makes me have to jump in and interject.

    Hawk,
    You can not say right now before you have tried T how you will feel sexualy in the future.
    When I started HRT I had my sexuality take a complete back flip for awhile.

    When these women tell you that there is a good chance you will find yourself wanting to be with a guy this is bassed in some fact. Enough trans people have a complete change in sexuality to be a somewhat expected result of the HRT. Especialy in the FTM crowd. (All of the transguys I know have gone from lesbian women to bisexual or 'gay' male.)

    just throwing that out there

    I wasn't going to post in Dirts space but I couldn't let that one go.

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  54. @Anon 1:01

    "Enough trans people have a complete change in sexuality to be a somewhat expected result of the HRT. Especialy in the FTM crowd."

    If this is so common - why aren't there studies about it? Or are there studies? Do you know anything more about this? I ask because I think it's important that people know about this - especially young transitioners.

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  55. "If this is so common - why aren't there studies about it?"

    Given that we don't yet have proper long-term studies on the efficacy of SRS, not surprising we don't have studies on shorter-term effects of hormones either.

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  56. (I think Hawk said she'd been on testosterone for 3 years; of course not all lesbian ftm's become (disguised) straight or bi women after hormones, but I've seen longer change-times than 3 years)

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  57. @Anon @1:01 AM...I know trans guys who have been on T for 10+ years who are straight. I know a few trans guys who are bi but they were attracted to men before their transition but only dated women because that is what they preferred. Had they found the right guy then they would have dated one at that time.

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  58. by straight ftm i assume you mean still lesbian?
    i see the same effect regularly in once-gay men who become transwomen who end up with women (now straight) or with other mtf's (still gay)

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  59. " once-gay men who become transwomen who end up with women (now straight) or with other mtf's (still gay)"

    Why isn't there any scientific data about this?? Transpeople are so depend on doctors and medicaments and yet there are just a few studies about the outcomes of all this?! What the heck? Why is that so? In my opinion that's dangerous!

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  60. Anyway I didn't know that gay men also change their sexual orientation.

    I wonder if it changes back once cross gendered hormones are stopped.

    And what does it say about homosexuality itself if sexual orientation is indeed changable?

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  61. @Bee, sexuality doesnt change. When powerful sex hormones such as T, are introduced to a female brain, the brain bends to that hormone through very real physiological changes that cause that female brain to function on some levels similarly to males. So if the core sexuality is lesbian, the lesbian brain on male hormones will cause that brain to be attracted to men.

    This often happens with both gay and straight men who go on female hormones.

    dirt

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  62. "So if the core sexuality is lesbian, the lesbian brain on male hormones will cause that brain to be attracted to men. " I don't get this. Any more info there Dirt?

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  63. If your core sexuality is lesbian (same sex attraction) and the brain (through hormones) reconfigures to male, that brain is (un)naturally going to continue its same sex attraction. Only as a male(ish) brain, that attraction is going to be towards men.

    dirt

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  64. "If your core sexuality is lesbian (same sex attraction)"

    This makes sense but too bad there isn't enough data about it so all we can do is guessing. It could be some other reason too.

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  65. I have often heard the theory you talk about, Dirt.

    The only counter evidence I can think of is very sad. In the days when gay men were sometimes 'chemically castrated' for being homosexual (dosed with female hormones) it was documented that although they became impotent, they were not 'cured' of their attraction to men. Alan Turing is the example that comes to mind.

    It is sobering that 60+ years on doctors are still pretty much experimenting with these chemicals.

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  66. I think I agree with dirt on this one, except that I think of it in terms of energy of attraction (the core sexual orientation bit). So I guess people that are programmed to be attracted to people like them (homosexuals) will remain so even if they switch gender and people that are attracted to the opposite, ditto. The only problem is then you don't know where bisexuals fit, and theres always gray area...

    Forgive me if this sounds ignorant but following this train of thought I was found butch/femme couples or bear/twink couples in gay men to be sort of "opposite-energy" attracted and this way a bit more heterosexual (ish) than the lesbian couples where it's 2 femmes or 2 dykes or ... Etc (like I don't know the correct terminology) but basically people alike in more than their bodies. That is how I think of it; whereas the concepts of homosexual and heterosexual tend to focus more on the body and genitals. But then again I was raised in a 3rd world country so I do have some pagan or mystical or superstitious background as opposed to mainstream religion. (a person who's between butch and ftm but hasn't made any progress down the ftm line - in fact recently wowed to never wear a binder and packer again but to find a better solution)

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  67. *same person from the above who also wants to explain that he or she (I guess call it as you see fit - I prefer he but that's a long story) has real body dysphoria which is not the same as like societal gender roles. As I never was a feminine girl, although female bodied, the gender role bit doesn't interest me - but why must my body do the opposite of what I want? I want no breasts, they grow more (even if I try to keep fit/workout - or plain starve myself) - I want a beard - not a wisp of facial hair. I know real women with more hair than me. It's hard to tell whether I'm a butch or a twink basically depending on how you read my gender. Also not sure how I will deal w/o binder but I'm trying to train my mind. Nothing so far...

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  68. I may be deluded/mentally I'll (I don't have a problem being seen this way (well sometimes I do cuz I'm still human)) but I keep waiting for male puberty to happen (lol) and it doesn't happen (obviously how's it supposed to happen magically?) but it really sucks and my body keeps screwing me over more each day and I don't care if I sound like a teenager cuz I'm only 22. Plenty of time to grow up but I know in my heart I'm a fair person with a good sense of moral ethics.

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  69. Anon 12:26 all I can say is that I have been through something similar and things do get better. If you grow up truly believing that you will grow up into a man then of course it's a surprise when you grow into a woman. If it's an unpleasant surprise you have to ask yourself why, do you idolise maleness over femaleness? Children aren't mentally ill for fervently believe something illogical. Its a normal part of development. These things can sometimes leave a deep impression on you which stays with you into adulthood but it doesn't mean you should label yourself crazy and give up. Many of us are still working through these things.

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  70. "If it's an unpleasant surprise you have to ask yourself why, do you idolise maleness over femaleness?"

    I believe that a person can expect to grow in to a man without "idolizing" maleness, as idolizing is different. Simply wishing you were a man is different than feeling like one and feeling like an impostor in woman's spaces. Some of us actually transitioned because that was our truth and our path, regardless of the lack of convenience. Chalking it all up to social cues is saying more about you than it is about transpeople. There is something extremely visceral and physical about the process of transitioning. There are things about the physicality of testosterone's effect on a female body that cannot be achieved by providing equality between men and women or deconstructing gender.

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  71. "Back to the question I was asking before - would your transition be completed by a surgically constructed penis,
    or do you think you would instintively 'feel' your missing prostate etc?"

    I don't think my transition would be completed unless I had full erotic sensation in that constructed phallus. I'm thinking I might actually feel more complete now, just with a sensate micro-phallus. I'm kinda waiting for them to improve the lower surgeries (and to win the lotto). I have not yet missed having a prostate...

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  72. "Someone here has obviously never read a single word from feminists about the cultural meanings of penetration! And then also assumes that ALL women want to be able to do this just as much as men do!"

    Yakkity-yak, BadDyke! You are such a windbag, yet you don't even read people's posts thoroughly before you respond! Irritating! I never said that all women want to penetrate! I asked if there was anybody on this list who would admit wanting that feeling.

    As it happens, I have read plenty of feminist writing, including Hooks, Daly, Dworkin, Anzaldua, Solanas, and many more. For years, actually. And I bought ALL of it at the time because I needed to believe it was all credible and worthy and true. It's not. I cringe when I think of how little I actually knew about people and the world then compared to what I thought I knew. Many voices on this blog remind me of my 20 year old self. Stunted from lack of truly challenging themselves or their assumptions. But back to sex....
    i personally never even think about my pleasure until after my partner orgasms. I have just as many parts of my body that are involved in sex as you do. Many women DO desire penetration EVEN THOUGH it's not the best way to orgasm. Penetration is also how humans procreate. If you are implying that it can only be oppressive, then you must be arguing for the end of our species...

    You cannot tell women what kind of sex to have and what to desire. I think maybe the attrition in lesbian/feminist communities may have something to do with this kind of policing.

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  73. Anon@6:36pm, You as a female have a CLITORIS! Its basic biology hun.

    dirt

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  74. Whatever you want to call it, its huge and its fun. Drunky.

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  75. (how delusional is that to think a chemically-engorged clitoris is a 'micro-phallus??)

    i think that the 'gay ftm' phenomenon is more about finally being able to do straight sex without all the implications of doing it as a 'woman'

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  76. " Many voices on this blog remind me of my 20 year old self. Stunted from lack of truly challenging themselves or their assumptions."

    Yeah better buy the trans ideology girls. It will replace the human sexes someday.

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  77. "I believe that a person can expect to grow in to a man without "idolizing" maleness,"

    Absolutely. This is what I attempted to say before. My father told me I was a boy numerous times as a young child (he was not mentally stable.) I know firsthand that sex confusion is different from idolising the opposite sex. I still maintain that developing physically different to what you imagined doesn't HAVE to be a horrifying, wrong experience. If it was for you, I'm sorry.

    " There are things about the physicality of testosterone's effect on a female body that cannot be achieved by providing equality between men and women or deconstructing gender."

    There are feelings and experiences that street drugs can provide that cant be achieved by being clean and sober. Does that invalidate the argument that taking drugs can harm you and each person should at least be aware of WHY they need to be high all the time?

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  78. "Simply wishing you were a man is different than feeling like one and feeling like an impostor in woman's spaces"

    Just wanted to pick up on this line because this is exactly how I felt growing up (like an imposter) and it was lonely, embarrassing etc. Theres no doubt that these feelings CAN have a basis in real events. If you think there's a spiritual or mystical reason for your feelings there are plenty of other places geared towards that kind of discussion.

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  79. " And I bought ALL of it at the time because I needed to believe it was all credible and worthy and true. It's not. ..... Stunted from lack of truly challenging themselves or their assumptions."

    So trans conservatism is 'challenging assumptions'? I think not.

    And I think you were reading wrong if you thought that feminism was just another belief system, in the pseudo-religious way that trans theory seems to be a belief system (particularly with the resistance to questioning/heresy........).

    "Penetration is also how humans procreate. If you are implying that it can only be oppressive, then you must be arguing for the end of our species.."

    Well, if you're going to take that line, then you might as well stop doing it, cos you ain't got the balls for it!

    "You cannot tell women what kind of sex to have and what to desire."

    Ah, the ole whatever feels good must be okay sex-pos line rears its ugly head! Getting women to THINK about why we desire what we desire, and how 'natural' that is isn't the silly telling them what not to do line that you seem to be so afraid of.

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  80. "Yakkity-yak, BadDyke! You are such a windbag......"

    It's when the insults start rolling in that I know I have said something worth saying!

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  81. " Only as a male(ish) brain, that attraction is going to be towards men."

    Hmmmmmm.......Possibly. I guess it depends on what you think the 'cause' of homosexual attraction IS. If it's just LIKE myself, then seems logical that if your own opinion of what 'you' are is male, then like could shift to male as you think you shift to male.

    Or if you accept the phallocentric nature of much of the gay male community, then you could see passing as a gay male as in some sense the ultimate validation of your supposed male identity. After all, trying to attract straight women and enter straight society is always going to be hampered by the fact that you can't do what many straight couples do -- father children. I think this trend could be explained without hypothesizing about the effects that T might have on a female brain.

    To me, just looks like the same ole cult of masculinity, whether played out in a heterosexual or a homosexual context, with women who love women always ending up at the bottom of the pile..........

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  82. To the anon's comment I just removed, stop trying to justify your female self hatred here, we're not interested. This is a blog to challenge, not conform.

    dirt

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  83. anon who wrote:

    "We are becoming accepted by society at a fast pace."

    Only because you've piggy-backed on the backs of gays and lesbians that you now treat like a donkey.
    And that mind you- neither movements really have anything to do with the other G, L & B have to do with SEXual attraction. T has to do with SELF(ish) identity.
    Some of the donkeys carring your loads for so long are begining to wake the fuck up.

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