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Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Now FTM Spokes Model Chaz Bono Tries....

....minimizing the harmful affects of testosterone on the female body.

While I seriously disagree with the rag The Enquirer putting a on date on her demise, at least they are bringing up some of the health risks and potential health risks of females on high doses of testosterone, especially given the already large unhealthy stature Chaz had going into transition.

The rags response to Chaz is interesting...
"We have invited Mr. Bono and/or his medical experts to respond to the opinions of our medical experts in the next issue of the National Enquirer.  The published opinions in the current edition are mostly focused on Mr. Bono's serious weight issues, which if not addressed, could substantially shorten his life," read a statement the Enquirer's parent company, American Media Inc., gave to E! News. 
"The testosterone treatments that Mr. Bono has taken are drugs that medical experts agree contain inherent risks for heart disease and liver dysfunction.  We only wish the best for Mr. Bono and hope that he embarks upon a health and diet program that includes proper nutrition and exercise for his own sake." 


I dont see Chaz taking them up on it given even "trans experts" (cant even type that with a straight face) agree that heart and liver damage are real risks of long term high dosing testosterone in females, not to mention serious cancer risks as well. Sadly since there are no long term studies or long term follow ups of transmen we do not know how many have had serious health issues or died from long term "T" use. (I suspect Leslie Feinberg's ailing health in direct proportion to her long term taking of "T")

Perhaps despite The Enquirer being a sleazy celeb rag, maybe its popularity will help bring some of the scary truths of "transition" out into the open with the general public.

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31 comments:

  1. I hope it brings it to the forefront...People taking testosterone have no idea how it will wreak havoc on their liver and other organs. Scary stuff:( I feel sorry for people that feel the need to take these hormones. Has their even been studies done on long term testosterone use?

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  2. Doesn't surprise me there are no long term studies on the effects of testosterone on F-M people. Um, they're women, after all, and so not really interesting to medical researchers. And, too, this trend of women taking testosterone and so on is pretty recent, not long enough for long term studies. Thanks for writing this, the whole trans thing leaves almost no room for critical thinking...and it seems that the institution of medicine is once again ganging up on women. "hey! we win! women are so dissatisfied with their bodies, they'll do anything to change them! let's sell it to them!" argh.

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  3. Pffh there're studies on the long term effects of testosterone, people who have been on testosterone for over 30 years, and have not had any real health problems.
    Just because there might not be any in the US, here in Europe we have the leading scientists on trans related studies.

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  4. "here in Europe we have the leading scientists on trans related studies."

    I'm from europe. Can you link the studies pls?

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  5. I assume no one here is fat.

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  6. Leslie feinberg has lymes disease. It's debilitating and causes many serious health problems. Nothing to do with taking hormones (don't know if Leslie even takes them anymore)

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  7. So no one here is overweight, drinks alcoholic beverages on a regular basis, smokes, eats fried foods in excess, uses artificial sweeteners, etc etc?

    And FYI - not all transmen take T long term... nor in high doses. I took it low dose for 5 years and done.

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  8. Taking T PERIOD in ANY level higher than your body NATURALLY produces is both HIGH and DANGEROUS.

    dirt

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  9. Perhaps... but again, so are MUCH of what we all do to our bodies. Cigarette smoking, and alcohol use are as, if not more, dangerous and kill WAY more people than T.

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  10. T is no more dangerous than estrogen taken orally by women for birth control. Sex hormones are hard on the body for anyone, even if they're not taken exogenously. I've been taking testosterone for more than 10 years and I've never had problems. The only people I know personnally with cancer are not transsexuals. Testosterone is the greatest hormone there is as far as I'm concerned.

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  11. Birth control hormones cause breast cancer, hence the reason women have been warned by the medical community about not taking them, and/or periodically taking a break from them to lesson the cancer risk.

    Testosterone also raises the risk for cancer in the female body, breast, ovarian and uterine. I suggest you educate yourself of the cancer causing risked/probabilities of both.

    dirt

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  12. I know very well that testosterone may cause endometriod cancer in transmen. This is why it is recommended to have a total hysterectomy done within two years of starting T because there's no progesterone anymore to counteract the effect of estrogen, which constantly stimulate the endometrium. Testosterone converts to estrogen, so that's why it's important for transmen to have their female reproductive system removed. In any case, I don't see why any of you would want to keep these things if you're trans. Also, for anyone who still have their ovaries, don't let stupid doctors tell you everything seems to be fine despite having symptoms and HAVING bigger than normal ovaries, which is what was told to my ex-girlfriend. Her ovaries were twice the normal size! They finally woke up and found out she had endometriod and ovarian cancer almost one year and a half AFTER her ultrasound and her finding out she had bigger ovaries than normal. What a shame! Now, she has stage 3c ovarian cancer and is having chemo to try to save herself. One thing is for sure, though, this woman never took a single drop of testosterone in her life!

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  13. For more info on ovarian cancer. Here's more info: http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMra041842

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  14. "Cigarette smoking, and alcohol use are as, if not more, dangerous and kill WAY more people than T."

    Except they aren't prescribed by doctors as a supposed cure for a supposed medical condition........

    "Testosterone is the greatest hormone there is as far as I'm concerned."

    The point here is that we KNOW that testosterone has effects on the body, no one would take it otherwise! From a medical point of view, the situation seems to be that although we may suspect what effects it might have, there is very little hard data as to long term effects and risks. This DOESN'T mean that people should treat T as if it were all fine and dandy -- as SAFE as contraceptives (actually, we have FAR more data on those), or SAFER than smoking/drinking/driving fast cars. All this sounds like the expected -- I don't want to know the REAL risks, because I WANT it so much. Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence, however much us humans like to believe it (for example, my grandad lived to 95, and he smoked 40 a day for 70 years, therefore it's okay for me to smoke, we all know how it goes!).

    So why would someone describe it as 'the greatest hormone there is'? Sounds like just plain ole worship of masculinity, and the 'magic' substance that helped them escape the prison of being female.............

    "In any case, I don't see why any of you would want to keep these things if you're trans..." God, what ROT. Do you actually KNOW that many women who've had hysterectomies? We are talking major abdominal surgery, not something that should be undertaken lightly, and NOT something that it is trivial to recover from! Hence stating 'why would anyone trans want to keep them' implies that removal is trivial, so why don't do it you're REALLY trans........Is that it, yet again, some sort of weird fear that some sort of residual femininity will creep in if you've still got a uterus.....

    Just sounds like the usual yucky female bits compared to the holy T that we seem to get from the trans church, at least that's the emotion behind it, aside from medical aspects, as far as I can see.

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  15. Great topic. I've posted before but I'll post it again because it's relevant. Hopefully it goes through.

    I'm 22, FAB, (I assume xx), and have PCOS. Lots of pain, big ovaries etc, and irregular hormones. I've an endocrinologist appointment soon where I'm supposed to decide what to do. As far as I understood my options are androgen blockers of some sort (my t is unusually high , I've never injected) combined with some sort of birth control or other similar female hormone supplements ; or t. Why t? - one might ask? Well I was considering transition for about 2-4 years ... Rigorously ... Sometimes I wonder if my "feelings" or "experiences" have to do / or are affected by hormonal levels (clearly not an expert of biology) but the thing is I've felt this way since I was about 3. I 'pass' very well, always have, and have always felt as if I was/should be/or would be a boy. In fact, I was certain my chest would not change at puberty, and that my penis would grow. You can chalk it up to ignorance or lack of education (I come from a third world country and currently live in Canada) but I don't know anyone with my experiences from there (I could go on in detail). Not even the girls who were tomboyish, or the ones that weren't and are currently in the closet lesbian (it's risky to come out in this country) - in Canada obviously I can live as a lesbian, did for a while, never came out or anything but ppl could just tell - but I still have my experiences/pov.
    What's more: my mother was convinced she was having a baby boy (shed already had my brother) - and was surprised when I came out as a girl. [there was no access to ultrasound at the time]
    I guess I'm one of the ones who consider themselves 'truly' or 'authentically' trans but obviously I've history in the feminist or lesbian community so I'm not jumping to any conclusions just yet.
    Hope my perspective helps. Ignore grammatical mistakes of there are any; English is not my first language.

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  16. *also let me add: my mother is university educated and is by no means ignorant. She just based it on symptoms/old-wives tales and that sort of thing - since she didn't have access to an ultrasound.

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  17. Anon, why not get a hysto? Do you plan on having children?

    dirt

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  18. @ dirt : no I don't plan on having children but not sure yet how hysto works and how the hormones work after - I guess I'll make a good decision with the help/ consultation of doctors.

    I also have depression/anxiety issues - maybe related to hormones; maybe related to hard life.

    ** another addition: I feel like it's the first time I'm contributing to the debate effectively as usually I'm bitter about my experience - and have my reservations especially with feminist or lesbian women but even women in general as they have usually been the ones making my life hard since elementary school, and until now, especially relating to bathrooms. Apparently it was obvious I wasn't a girl and I didn't actually want to be one - so my life was made difficult because both sides didn't want to be grouped as one. I had better luck with boys/men and currently use male bathrooms but yeah ... Like I know females/lesbians etc are not the ones in power in patriarchy ... But theyve given me considerable grief all my life ... Men think I'm 'one of them' - I'm unsure exactly what I am ... But generally think maybe trans-man or something in between

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  19. Same anon. I guess I do lightly bind and pack at the moment which helps "passing" - not like that's ever been an issue - but I don't feel as if that is wrong. I feel very comfortable/'right' when I do and really dysphoric/unhappy/bad / dissociative when I don't.

    I haven't had any injections or surgeries.

    I also agree that maybe too many ppl are being diagnosed and too quickly...

    Still... I believe I've the right to feel ok - so binding/packing it is right now. It actually helps more than my current meds or any other method I've tried before.

    Here's to hoping we come to some sort of better understanding of gender/sexuality in the future - and soon

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  20. I have a perfect understanding of it.

    dirt

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  21. Wait, final comment:
    I , however know people that believe they have a right to any kind of body modification they want, like piercings, tattoos, anything - here in Canada - I'm not exactly the sane as I'm an immigrant and slightly more 'old school' but still.

    I apologize if Ive posted too much at once/taken too much space but I am technically fab...

    Also in the future, if my comments are helpful/relevant/welcomed, maybe I'll participate more and use a screen-name...

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  22. @ Dirt: I meant more society in general, to have a better understanding of it, not you in particular.

    I must confess, when I first started reading your blog, it made me even more depressed/suicidal then I was before... but now I am fine ... and I believe you have good intentions...soo ... hopefully I'm not mistaken.

    Debate is good either way.

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  23. @ Dirt: I also have a pretty decent understanding of it (I don't believe in 'perfect' or 100% as you do) despite being only 22, and speaking tentatively, and respecting you as an elder... so no need to be all show-offy about your understandings...

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  24. Stating facts isnt "showing off", its speaking in truths which I always do.

    dirt

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  25. "but the thing is I've felt this way since I was about 3."

    I'm puzzled by how often this is repeated, given that I'll be buggered if I can remember ANYTHING at all from before I was about 5 (I think I can remember being woken on ny first day of school and declaring I didn't want to go, but that's it!).

    Plus claiming to be able to 'remember' feeling like a boy at 3 doesn't, to me, seem to fit in with the sort of childhood memories we do actually have, we seem to be of surprising/stressful events (fireworks, my first school day).

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  26. I've a good memory. Fine, let's not say 3, let's say between 3-5, or most significantly at 6 when I started 1st grade. I just knew something was "wrong" , "off" , "different" about me and I never used bathrooms at school ... Would hold it in till I got home - had the same problem for years - slightly better now that my university has single-occupancy genderless bathrooms or that I use the men's room

    Dirt: do you really believe in "the truth" - as in such a thing as one objective truth? You've no access to anything other than your subjective reality, your pov, or whatever you can access by your own senses.

    I actually felt like "something other" all together but given the options of boy and girl - was more closely resembling boy. Still to this day I think that living as a trans man I'd be more useful not only to myself but to my family and society at large. When I pretend I'm something I'm not, I'm this bitter, angry, resentful asshole of a person , suicidal, see no future for myself, no family, bitter bout children bout everything. The option of transitioning (which I haven't yet, or at least medically) at least gives me hope for the future that I can live and enjoy the sort of stuff ppl enjoy, and who knows, maybe even have my own family some day ...

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  27. I guess hence the "trans" because not everyone sees it the same way. I'm this " other" and I know I've always been this way. In some culture such ppl are revered, are spiritual leaders ... I don't want to be revered lol but again given the 2 options of binary western society (which may be problematic in and of itself) I'm definitely more male than female.

    This is how I understand myself. I know 3 languages fluently, and 2 not so fluently, and in my 1st language and in French (my 3rd language) - i think of myself as male, using male pronouns, adjectives etc - and in the past I was accused of making grammatical mistakes - I know the language very well I just didn't know how to explain that no, it's not a grammatical mistake - it's actually a more truthful representation than is calling me a "she" or a "her" ... It's complicated to explain

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  28. what does pretending you're something you're not (being female) entail exactly?

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  29. "I actually felt like "something other" all together but given the options of boy and girl - was more closely resembling boy."

    Except it wasn't being a boy physically, so what else does this mean apart from either:

    Interested in what other boys were interested in

    OR:

    You believe there is some essential DIFFERENCE between a boy and a girl OTHER THAN the purely physical.

    What about the possibility that the problem is just the perceived 'options' of being LIKE a boy in terms of how boys act/get treated/expect to be treated and how girls tend to act/get treated/expect to be treated?

    The nub of it is, I don't believe that there is really much of an essential difference between being a boy and a girl, except the differences we accumulate through society, or the obvious differences we experience due to our different bodies. Since you can't have the SAME experiences as a biological male............

    Long-winded way of saying I don't believe in innate gender (or that any innate component is so swamped by the effects of socialisation that we can't know about it.)

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