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Monday, November 14, 2011

Internet Ignorance and Trans Trenders




This is a screencap of a recent comment, keep in mind the male medical machine is issuing life altering drugs and surgeries to immature minds such as the above.  If that doesnt scare you for todays female youths, nothing will.

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  1. Yeah, the departememt of Psychology is truly threatening in legal matters. LOL!

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  2. I'm curious about this blog, mainly because I have no idea what the ultimate 'purpose' is. :3 Hopefully you won't mind a random lurker?

    And I agree, the department of psychology is REALLY threatening. [/sarcasm]

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  3. Your choice of topic is interesting that gives me reason to finish my reading. I totally agree on you.

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  4. Whenever you can't think of intelligent or legitimate commentary (all the time), you just throw around that male medical machine bullshit. What exactly do you think the "male medical machine" even is?

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  5. I agree, internet Ignorance.. What the? How is Dirt's blog so threatening that it has to be reported? WHA? Just trying to raise awareness about the young minds that are not yet developed enough with life experience to make these life altering decisions regarding transition. I think the medical machine that exploits and supports the drug use, masectomys etc. of these kids is dangerous! Yikes!!

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  6. Dirt,

    Instead of posting these individuals' youtube links and comments, why not reach out to them personally and offer to talk to them? You claim to care about young women and saving them from themselves but what you're doing is trying to shame them. How is that helping? Trying to shame teenagers to change is a guaranteed way to push them in the opposite direction.

    Another thing, you're highlighting young people, who I sometimes don't agree with when they claim any title (gay, straight, transgender, bisexual, whatever) because adolescence is a time of self-exploration. Are your points valid when you look at older folks who transition? Seems like it's easy to scapegoat these children.

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  7. I personally believe that the same adolescent mind-set is employed in transitioning at any age.

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  8. Does Dirt SHAME them? No, she just disagrees with their choice.

    What's wrong with saying that? Before I came on here, I would not have believed there were so MANY young women on YouTube, all ready to document their transition -- with seemingly NO actual debate, why they think they are trans etc, just I have decided I am, here is my transition diary etc etc.

    I have to say the degree of ignorance is immense, both from the young women on YouTube, who just adopt the whole trans cant hook line and sinker, and from the frankly stupid comments on here, threats etc, claims of legal action, from people who seemingly have no idea whatsoever as to what freedom of speech MEANS, or what hate speech means.

    Although the trans crowd keeps claiming that those who disagree with the trans cant just need edcuating, this is just sloppy shorthand for -- thou shalt not disagree with the trans cant/the parts of the medical establishment that allow us access to transition/ plus thou shalt not dare to disagree with anyone who says they are trans. These attempts to stifle ANY debate/disagreement, or any attempt to present any other views or life histories other than -- I'm on T and I've had top surgery, and my lovely MALE life is now absolutely fucking gorgeous and all the HOT men/women are after me...........

    Empty-headed cultish behaviour, as is patently obvious to anyone with a bit of life-experience, and the ability to think for themselves.

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  9. So after you've said all of that BadDyke, I guess my suggestion to reach out to the young'uns wasn't acknowledged? You focused on the fact that I said Dirt shamed them huh? What's more cultish than a group of people who don't even address what is being said but runs to protect their internet saviour?

    The shame aspect of this comes in when you dedicate blog entries to say "look at these young women....destroying their bodies." How is this helping your community, other than "HA! SEE!!!! MORE REASONS FOR ME TO CURSE THIS PHALLOCENTRIC SOCIETY!" AGAIN, why not message these young people and offer to talk? Instead, let's spew vitriol online? Lol. BadDyke, you talk about stifling debate? I offered a new take in this "debate" and you shut me down saying I'm the one who is trying to derail. HUUUUH?

    Maybe I'm just the type of person who is focused on action rather than sitting in a corner and stewing about something that I have no control over. *shrugs*

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  10. Anon @ 9:44 PM:
    Hey, I agree with you. I'm one of the so-called trans-regretters (I don't really like the title, but it's what I'm stuck with). Dirt posted a letter I sent her long ago. I'm not the most recent case in the spotlight, though, so don't confuse me with her.

    I still watch YouTube trans diaries, and I still visit this site. I've thought about commenting on the videos, letting them know my story, but as has been pointed out before, a lot of trans-trending people are so stuck in the "anything negative is transphobia" mindset that any offers to think critically or re-evaluate themselves falls on deaf ears and you are ultimately blocked. I'd love to help these people, but I'm not sure it's always possible. Still, it's something I always think about and I'm considering maybe one day making a blog similar (but in some ways different) to Dirt's just to get my thoughts down.

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  11. Just because I didn't address EVERYTHING you said, doesn't mean I didn't address SOME of it.

    "What's more cultish than a group of people who don't even address what is being said but runs to protect their internet saviour?"

    Run to protect? I don't think so, Dirt is more than capable of doing that herself. I was just interested (okay, so I responded to what interested me, what's yer problem with that?) by the use of the word SHAME. You used it, I commented on it.

    "The shame aspect of this comes in when you dedicate blog entries to say "look at these young women....destroying their bodies."" You seem to be implying that ANY reference to specific blogs will cause SHAME. Except without evidence as to who is transitioning, and how many, how are we supposed to get a handle on what is the topic of discussion? You have to know what is out there to understand what young women are being exposed to.

    Not say they are destroying their bodies? Surely SOMEONE ought to say this to them at least ONCe before they start T or consider top surgery. If they CAN'T deal with someone saying that to them, then should they really be contemplating going ahead with it?

    ALl boils down to -- THEY are the opnes who chose to make their choices public, hence they opened themselves to public debate and possible criticism.

    "AGAIN, why not message these young people and offer to talk? Instead, let's spew vitriol online? Lol. BadDyke, you talk about stifling debate" What VITRIOL? Stop being such a damn drama queen! You are the only one here not even really attempting to debate, just complaining when I don't comment on what you wanted me to comment on, or criticised something you obviously don't feel able to defend.

    Saying -- these women are mistaken ISN'T spewing vitriol. Thinking that they are probably beyond redemption isn't spewing vitriol. Saying that the trans trend is like a cult isn't spewing vitriol.

    "I offered a new take in this "debate" and you shut me down.." You suggested talking to people directly rather than posting links to video diaries -- I didn't SHUT YOU DOWN, I just think it's probably not a great suggestion. First, HOW does posting links hurt, apart from making these women aware that not EVERYONE automatically agrees with the trans cant. Second, I don't think offering to talk would be welcomed, I think these women are already too far down the line.

    I think your response is sadly also indicative of lack of debate, where every little thing is classed as 'spewing vitriol', or causing shame......

    So, good suggestion, except I don't think it would work, and possibly misunderstand the point of posting the links, because if Dirt hadn't done that, I wouldn't have understood how BAD the situation is, and how so many women seem to be rushing down the trans chute with very little critical thought and almost NO ONE saying anything to give them pause for thought.

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  12. 4:23

    I'd love to see more trans-questioning blogs out there, with different slants from those of Dirt, who I often find a bit blunt and simplistic

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  13. "I'd love to see more trans-questioning blogs out there, with different slants from those of Dirt, who I often find a bit blunt and simplistic"

    Except the attacks that get directed at Dirt would be more than enough to put me off, for one.

    I think bluntness can be a good thing, especially once I realised the reaction that even the mildest comment gets you from the trans crowd.

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  14. So after you've said all of that BadDyke, I guess my suggestion to reach out to the young'uns wasn't acknowledged? You focused on the fact that I said Dirt shamed them huh? What's more cultish than a group of people who don't even address what is being said but runs to protect their internet saviour?

    Well I'm not BadDyke first of all. And as she said, it's obvious to anyone with a smidgin of life experience that trans folk continually attempt to silence any criticism of the transgenderism ideology by the claim that any criticism is "rude".

    Why do you do that? How about you and all the rest of the trans folk stop conflating basic gender analysis with rudenss? Really, how about it? That bullshit is precisely why I have such utter contempt for transfolks, btw.

    And as for your question, now you're advocating that Dirt "reach out" and discuss the harms of transgenderism with people who don't want to talk about the harms of transgenderism.

    I'm thinking that if some individuals really don't want to talk about the harms of transgenderism, then "reaching out" would be rude and hurt their feelings. So now rudeness is acceptable for you in some instances but not in others.

    Hypocrite much?

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  15. Anon @ 4:23,

    I would also love to see a trans-questioning blog that is accepting of ALL opinions. I think it is needed! Can I ask you how old you were when you began transitioning and then de-transitioning?

    This blog had potential, until both sides became pissy and started throwing around personal digs at each other. There's no debate happening here.

    BadDyke, I am the Anon @9:44. I noticed that ONCE AGAIN, you ignored the meat of my response. I would love to hear your thoughts on my thoughts. You don't owe me any answer but I figured that since you have a lot to say, you could comment on something other than what you typically do.

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  16. " I noticed that ONCE AGAIN, you ignored the meat of my response. I would love to hear your thoughts on my thoughts. "

    Just didn't all interest me that much, and I commented on the bits that did. Shrug.........

    I don't think trying to talk to the youngsters on YouTube would get anyone very far, not compared with the approbation and 'support' they're getting as long as they repeat the trans mantra. Because listening to anything else puts them in danger of loosing their new chums and all that support, and that feeling that there are others like them, whereas before they probably felt that no one else felt like them. A bunch of feminist old farts telling them they're new chums have got it wrong isn't going to be that alluring.

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  17. More thoughts -- what DON'T we get on YouTube? So far, I can't find anyone wondering if they MAY be trans, wondering what trans means, or what gender means to them -- instead, we just get, hello, I'm Tyler, I'm 13, and I'm transgender, pre-everything, hoping to get on T asap.

    Note the PRE word -- used so frequently that the expectation that the proper course for someone who thinks they are trans IS T and top surgery should be obvious.

    Because according to the trans cant that I think they're getting, you just have to SAY --I'm a guy -- and then you expect everyone else to acknowledge that as your valid identity, then the natural course from thereon according to the trans cant seems to be T asap, and top surgery asap.

    Apart from some slightly freaky 'natural transitioning' vids, which I suspect is some sort of con to sell people over-priced herbal supplements which they probably claim are able to do what 'real T' does. Plus a bit of, of course you'll LOOK more muscular (i.e. convince yourself you have somehow managed to naturally increase your own bodies testosterone by hard thinking or something like that, it is after all what you DESERVE), by:

    1) improving your diet (i.e. loosing some fat) and

    2) Working out.

    To some girls who have never been encouraged to actually lift ANY weight, the effects of a bit of weight-training could be seen as somewhat miraculous.....

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  18. You have been reported to the department of psychology.........

    The naivete and plain ole IGNORANCE of these supposed students is immense. They live (I assume they're from the US?) in a country where total nutjobs like the Westboro baptist lot can stand on street corners and celebrate the deaths of gay people, yet think that someone DISAGREEING with them on the internet is grounds for police action.

    Someone with that sort of level of intelligence shouldn't be allowed to take as aspirin without adult supervision, let alone anything else.

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  19. While I still hold onto the fact that I shouldn't have sent the letter (the recent case), I still think that people need to know the TRUTH. I am seeking mental help, but I am also looking to get all the de-transitioners (FtM only) talking...

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