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Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Radical Feminism-Same as Yesterday only more Useless

It amazes me how ignorant far too many radical feminists really are. Like those of yesteryear, they too live in some white academic dream world. Meanwhile mother's are turning their little daughters into eye candy for the male gaze, teenage girls are binding their breast to escape the male gaze, and young women are either conforming/performing a combo of hyper femininity/hyper sexuality with stripper pole intact for the male gaze or paying a very high price for the male medical machine to strip them of every visible vestige of femaleness as a means to escape the shame that has become female as well as put themselves on par with men the only way they know how sans feminism. 
Posters, signs and endless babble will never take down the weakest of patriarchal columns.
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  1. I know how to use a stripper pole but not for the male gaze. I do it because its an excellent work out and my partner loves it. People also say I dress revealing but not for the male gaze. I do it because I am comfortable with my body. My partner is transgender and I don't think they are to escape the male gaze either.

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  2. The patriarchy has stood for thousands of years, and only a fool would think that it could be brought down with "posters, signs and endless babble".

    But...... have you any better ideas? If anyone does, please speak up!

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  3. "only a fool would think that it could be brought down with "posters, signs and endless babble".

    Pretty funny coming from a blogger. If words and images have no effect, why blog?

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  4. Is more negativity all that you have, GallusMag? And... you don't even know me, yet you assume that I am a blogger!

    It does not surprise me that you have nothing constructive to offer... I've seen your blog.

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  5. I was addressing Dirt, not you, weirdo.

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  6. I'm not sure whether or not Dirt is being sarcastic.....

    Suggesting armed resistance perhaps?

    "People also say I dress revealing but not for the male gaze. I do it because I am comfortable with my body."

    Not for the male gaze? If your partner is trans isn't it for their male gaze? And whether it is intended for them or not, men will certainly be gazing.

    You may be comfortable with your body, but what does dressing in such a revealing way say to everyone else? That you are agreeing with women being supposed to dress in a revealing fashion FOR THE MALE GAZe, because women are still judged based on their appearance.

    A stripper pole is a good workout? Yeah, I see you've bought into the same nonsense as well. If it's SUCH a good work-out, why don't we see male gyms using them?

    Fitness aside, let's face it, a sweaty woman working out with weights is a challenge to societys idea of what women should be like. Whereas a work out with a stripper pole just says -- don't worry chaps, I'm just as fun and flirty as you all hoped. Simper, simper................

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  7. Dirt, what do you suggest we do to take down the patriarchal columns? You say radical feminism is useless, but what is your alternative? I don't think it is useless btw, but we always need more activism ideas.

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  8. Radical feminist need to actually begin being radical, starting with removing their lips from patriarchy's fat cock.

    Then once lips are free, use those lips to find a collective voice and the first word that needs to be uttered repeatedly is NO. Once "no" is got down pat, the vilest word any female can utter in her lifetime can begin being worked on, that word of course being "I".

    There is no greater way to destroy every patriarchal structure than for females to regularly use "I".

    And it is the lack of the female "I" by radical feminist which has sparked this post.

    dirt

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  9. @Gallus, there is no cocksucking here, unlike the myriad of rad feminists who tone down their "radical" feminist messages/needs on OWS in order not to offend men.

    In real life and on this blog, I've never given a fuck about offending anyone, especially when lives literally are at stake.

    dirt

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  10. "unlike the myriad of rad feminists who tone down their "radical" feminist messages/needs on OWS in order not to offend men. "

    Ah, I think I've found what this is about.

    "or its just another lefty boy wank off"

    Well, given the reaction on some blogs to this quite reasonable statement, seems that it's just more of the same ole male shit, just from the left rather than the right.

    "Count on feminists to spoil everything with their BS."

    Just looks to me like the way men on the left behave that I've seen many times before. Yeah, they'll be there at a protest about abortion rights, but ONLY because what they really want to do is have a pop at the police (demo I attended in London a few years back), and never mind and women that get trapped behind police lines because they've had to bring the police horses up to deal with these idiots.

    Usual depiction of feminists as middle-class white girls who just want a better pay packet, rather than proper MALE politics.

    Left or right, same bullshit from the men, they're all just waving their dicks about in the same ole silverback way. And women get to shut up and make the tea..........

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  11. "I used to be a dancer for 13 years. I can personally say that us dancers took ADVANTAGE of all these men..."

    And the predictable fun-fem response that working in the sex industry is a sensible career choice..............

    As out favourite transphobic journalist Julie Bindel said:
    "We need to bring back the radical edge to feminism, and do away with any notion that slutwalking, lap dancing, sex working or Burkha-wearing is liberation for women. If men like a particular brand of feminism, it means it is not working."

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  12. "Like it or not, most women actually like men and like turning them on. So your fight is not actually for the liberation of most women."

    Okay, so according to this, ALL straight women WANT to be sex-workers, since they enjoy turning men on so much! I'm sure they'll be glad to hear that.

    Same ole male-fantasy view of women that most M2T have -- same ole male crap, but even worse when the fun-fems spout it as well.

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  13. here in NYC we're having a rape/groping epidemic
    i wonder if all these women enjoy turning on these men

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  14. (and they are men commiting these crimes, as much as the anti-dirts on here like to say how women rape all the time too)

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  15. Wait, I'm confused.

    So it's OK for a woman to be any kind of woman she wants, right? Or is it not OK for a woman to do certain things (sex work, being a housewife, whatever) even if they want to do these things and choose them for themselves?

    This seems really hypocritical.

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  16. "Or is it not OK for a woman to do certain things (sex work, being a housewife, whatever) even if they want to do these things and choose them for themselves?"

    Feminism 101. This argument is based on the assumption that all women are free to choose from all possible careers. The problem with sex work and pole dancing and stripping is not the women who do, but the men who are willing to pay for it, and the economic circumstances that force women into it because they have no other way to make the money they need.

    Or does the poster assume that the 16 year-old crackheads selling their bodies in the inner cities are making a 'free' choice...........

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  17. Of course, that women CHOOSE sex work, that they enjoy it and make a good living out of it, is another of the fantasies that men willing to buy sex like to indulge in. And lets not forget the pimps please...........

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  18. I'm a radical feminist because I HATE RAPE and I hate rape culture. It needs to end. By any means necessary. Period.

    Women could bring it down if we created a culture of resistance, supportive of women and allies willing to engage in acts against the white, capitalist patriarchy. But instead we 90% of our time fighting amongst one another This is nothing new; it's been going on for decades.

    Regarding academia: It's taking me quite a while to complete my undergraduate degree, and I've studied at several different schools. It's very rare for me to meet a radical feminist in academia. Since many people do attend college, I would hope self-proclaimed Women's Liberationists' would support professors who do teach radical feminism as opposed to attacking them (because they're not attacked enough from pro-porners, men in general, and the religious right!). Most academics are actually paid very little for the hours and hours required for preparation for class, research, publication, student support, grading, etc. This is especially true if they're teaching something like Women's Studies or Sociology. I The vast, vast majority of radical feminists are not academics. But I'm not going to stop supporting the ones that are, because I know women who have actually had their lives changed from being exposed to radical feminism in academia.

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  19. Its interesting how criticizing radical feminism receives similar responses as criticizing transgenderism.

    And for those bringing up choice, define choice for females raised under patriarchal structures and mass misogyny.

    dirt

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  20. i know there are cool women who do things like stripping or burlesque in certain cities, but i definitely would say that most women who do male-pleasing sexual work do so under some type of duress

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  21. Straight male here...So please pardon the intrusion in this female space.

    First off,...Why am I here? I got a few questions I would like to pose but first some set up:

    I fancy myself an open minded and forward thinking person in a sea full of idiots and Neanderthals. I read this blog among others for insight.

    I understand the nature of our society’s issues and own that the majority of our social problems stem from the men and male culture.

    Changing it will be a monumental task that will probably take generations.
    Keep in mind historically speaking, those in power tend to hold onto it with a death grip.

    Anyways....
    my dilema:

    As a het male, I am of course attracted to females and specifically my wife.

    In a healthy culture, what are the parameters of sexual attraction and conduct that would be acceptable? Where should the male gaze mind its own pees and ques, and when is it allowable?
    Is it never allowable?

    Obviously, there must be proper etiquette and decorum in such situations.
    In the past when I was dating I would occasionaly find myself in the uncomfortable position of realizing that the woman I was flirting with is lesbian. Ok no issue, I have been with guys a few times so I have no homophobe issues on that front. But I really hate the feeling that I get that perhaps I have offended the woman in some fashion or perhaps violated the bounds of proper society.
    So where is that line of propriety?
    Sexual attraction is a mechanism of preservation of the species and a strong bonding agent between lovers. So it can not be bad on its own right.
    However one can not look at our society with a critical eye and not see how male society (my society) has completly screwed things up so bad that it is almost impossible to see through the deep shit.

    I know I am somewhat in the wrong place to ask these questions.
    But this is the best place I could find women who actually think critically on difficult topics and one of the only places I have found a feminist like Dirt who isn't actually anti male while being simultaniously anti patriarchy.

    Thank you for your time.

    Jim

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  23. Dirt, I think your criticism of mainstream feminism, the supporters of such misbegotten nonsense as OWS, slutwalk and all forms of pro-porn "let's empowerfulise ourselves by turnng the menz on!" strategies, is right on the target. but, you are using th term "radical" ton refer to feminists that are not, not, NOT NOT NOT radical.

    the actual rare rad fems really don't need the waters muddied even further by fabulous women such as yourself using the term incorrectly.

    and....for the wife-lovin man wanting the lesbians to tell him how to pick up women, WTF??!!!!
    1st, if you love your wife so much, why do you need t know? just direct ALL your intimacy, sexuality, love, affection and passion at your wife! ask HER how she likes it!
    2nd, why is the job of feminists to teach you how to treat women with respect? and ESPECIALLY, why is it the job of Dirt, who is not at all engaged in male sexuality or male-centric sexuality?

    IF, (and I say IF because chances are best that you really don't give a rat's ass about women's feelings, you just want to fake being "sensitive" effectively so as to better "get you some") you really DO want to know how to engage with women respectfully, then ASK THEM. as individuals, one at a time, what they prefer, want, need. we aren't DEER! you need to stop thinking of us as prey and looking for effective "hunting" strategies. treat us as individual human beings with thoughts, feelings and basic human rights.
    D'UH!

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  24. I am very sorry.

    I was afraid that my post would be posted wrong.

    My point is simply this:

    If we are to change the culture we must have ideals and goals in mind.

    Proper ettiqute standards that can be passed on from father to son should be developed.

    I have no interest in any woman beyond my wife.

    My questions are strictly a matter of knowledge seeking and comonality seeking.
    I really do not want advice on picking up women. I like being married to the woman I am with and would never put that relationship in jepordy.

    Jim

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  25. I'm posting just to see if I'm being deleted or if I somehow missed submitting my original post. Anyway, what I said was that your criticism is non-specific, instead making vague references to white academia and pole dancing, rather than any specific criticism related to radical feminism. Then below, all you state is that the criticisms you receive are "like trans criticisms" but again, you don't point to how. It is easy to simply put down radical feminism without defining the term and using specific criticisms. And "need to remove their lips from the patriarchy's fat cock" is not specific, either. It is easy to simply put down radical feminism without analysis. It is far from original, however, men do it all the time.

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  26. "i know there are cool women who do things like stripping or burlesque in certain cities, but i definitely would say that most women who do male-pleasing sexual work do so under some type of duress."

    Are women who perform under some type of duress, which I would agree compose the vast majority of the sexploitation industries, not "cool"?

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  27. i worked tonight........two days out of the month....otherwise I'm a Barber I made a lot of money tonight......:) and I made guys think I love them:)\
    femmemystique)xo

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  28. Jim, these women are not interested in actually making a better society. They are not a good source for any kind of wisdom and they don't want a good productive discussion. I personally hope that people of this ilk die sooner rather than later.

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  29. " Dirt said...
    @Gallus, there is no cocksucking here, unlike the myriad of rad feminists who tone down their "radical" feminist messages/needs on OWS in order not to offend men.

    In real life and on this blog, I've never given a fuck about offending anyone, especially when lives literally are at stake.

    dirt"

    Well I don't suck any cock and I consider myself to be pretty fucking radical. I don't know what you are talking about re: radicals toning down their message about OWS. Wish you would be more explicit with your critique, instead of Radical Feminism being Useless. You and I both know that is an absurd statement. Radical Feminism - not Radical Enough. Is another thing entirely.

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  30. Also, about "there is no cocksucking here", I'm sure I've seen you post a number of times about sucking "butch cock".

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  31. Anon @ 12:47- Keep hoping we die hon. Good luck with that, hateful person. Disgusting. Maybe you should try murdering us.

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  32. I love it that GallusMag and Dirt are now fighting. Soon, Dirt will have no supporters at all.

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  33. Anonymous said...
    I love it that GallusMag and Dirt are now fighting. Soon, Dirt will have no supporters at all.

    October 21, 2011 2:23 AM

    What an idiot you are. I will always support Dirt.

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  34. @Anon- grown-ups are talking about grown-up stuff. Mind your tongue.

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  35. "I love it that GallusMag and Dirt are now fighting. Soon, Dirt will have no supporters at all."

    Unlike the trans cult, feminists aren't afraid of a decent discussion and a bit of disagreement...........

    Note also the assumed 'cult-like' status of Dirt, hoping that like some failed cult leader, her 'followers' will fall away. Of course, the point is, yet again, that unlike the trans cult, feminists aren't afraid to disagree and discuss, and just because we come here to folow discussions DOESN'T mean we are slavish followers.

    So, I support Dirt because she had the guts to say stuff that many others won't. I support her because she keeps on with this blog despite the hate campaign being waged agianst her. But 'support' doesn't mean a slavish and mindless agreement with everything she says.

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  36. "But I really hate the feeling that I get that perhaps I have offended the woman in some fashion or perhaps violated the bounds of proper society.
    So where is that line of propriety?"

    First off, yet again MEN expect women to do the hard work of telling them how they are supposed to behave. Second, I have to say, totally self-centered in that what matters is HIS feelings about possibly offending someone, rather than their feelings in being approached YET AGAIN by some straight bloke too daft to realise that his attentions aren't wanted and weren't solicited.

    "Sexual attraction is a mechanism of preservation of the species.."
    More of the same, but with a homophobic slant -- let's not forget that natural and praiseworthy role of het attraction in 'preserving the species'! Again, yet another familiar male attempt to excuse their constant eyeing up of every female that walks past, and their entitlement to flirt/approach or generally hassle any women they fancy on the grounds that such het attraction is NATURAL, vital to preserve the species, and hence out of their control.

    Just forcefully reminded of this today by a trial happening here in Bristol, UK. She was alone in her flat, smiled at him as a neighbour. He came in, THOUGHT she was flirting, he tried to kiss her, she screamed, so he claims he put his hand over her mouth and around her neck to stop her screaming and CALM her down! She died, and he dumped her body in a ditch.

    What a mad world we live in, where such men think that the PROPER response to someone screaming at you because of your actions is to forcibly shut them up, and also think that they have some chance of convincing others on the jury that that is a reasonable argument, and will lead to a conviction for manslaughter rather than murder.

    Male entitlement yet again. As someone else said, women looked at as prey, their job to hunt them......

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  37. And finally:
    "I personally hope that people of this ilk die sooner rather than later."

    Isn't it DISGUSTING -- Dirt and the rest of us constantly accused of being hateful and transphobic, yet it isn't US wishing others dead. We can all see where the real hate is coming from here!

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  38. @Gallus, I've never once mentioned sucking BC. I only date Femmes. Unless you mean the other way 'round, then of course bring it!

    dirt

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  39. @whatever anons who are clueless about the convo because they arent on my FB, Gallus and I do not have to agree on radical feminism to agree nearly fully on the trans disorder and its brutal "cure" that never pans out.

    Unlike those in the trans cult (as BD said), it isnt all or nothing.

    Gallus's heart is with women and so is mine.

    dirt

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  40. Jim,

    The problem with the "male gaze" is the patriarchal misogynistic power and privilege behind it. A power, privilege and leeriness that literally makes many women feel like we are being raped (yes, RAPED) by that gaze alone.

    Something no male will ever fully understand or feel as it is males who created and maintain the rape culture ALL females live in and live in fear of and in which the male gaze is a MAJOR component.

    dirt

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  41. hey womononajourney
    that was me mentioning 'cool' women doing sex work
    i know it's a silly thing to say,
    i was thinking of a local burlesque star that i have a huge crush on
    what i meant was women who make the sex-worker choice as something of a 'style' of living

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  42. Jim here again.

    Thank you for the response Dirt. I had a feeling you would discuss this.

    Thank you for putting up with my intrusion in your space.

    Why come here?
    You think critically. Something I am incapable of due to the topics at hand and my social conditioning.

    How do I protect my children from this culture that says to the boy, 'you are entitled' and the girl 'form your identity on your husband'?
    I do not want that for my kids at all. I want a respectful son with foresight and empathy and a daughter who isn't defined by who she marries.
    But with society filling their heads with shit and their mother and grandparents reinforcing this crap, I am the odd man out.

    My witts are addled on this topic.

    As to why come here and ask help from women on an issue that stems from the men....You do not go to an oppressor and ask him how he can stop oppressing. You go to the victim and ask them what needs fixing.

    As for the anon comenter that wished death on these women...
    screw off.

    I am once again sorry for intruding into this womans space.

    Jim

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  43. What on earth are you talking about? All of this sudden criticism sounds more applicable to mainstream feminists than radical feminists..

    Really, you think we're useless, white-supremacist "cocksuckers"?

    that's disappointing.

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  44. Jim, you can tell me to "screw off" all you want, but I stand by what I said. You seem like an incredibly earnest man who wants to change the world and do good. Most rational people will accept that fighting sexism and disparity will make the world better for all of us. I'd agree. You seem to want a discourse that allows for some respect all around. You need information. You know you have male privilege and the ability to raise kids in a different way to make a better world. But a person can only prostrate themselves so much before they recognize a losing battle. The extent of the anger found here is such that any male attempting discourse will immediately be attacked by those more equipped to hate than to make change. I call into question the basic personal character of the women on this list. This is not a cross-section of all kinds of feminists wishing to make positive change- this is a gathering place for women whose hearts have turned black and who come here mostly to discredit transsexuals. That's the agenda, and that has nothing to do with helping you make the world better. There are many other feminist people, groups and spaces that are willing to have a discourse. People who care enough to put their anger aside for long enough to extend some credit to other humans. I've been involved in radical feminist and race coalitions, where oppressed people still had enough love in their hearts to ACTUALLY try to reach understandings. To de-escalate, to fight divisiveness, and to humble themselves on all sides. There is nothing wrong in you asking for help. You've just asked in the wrong place. I tired long ago of the kind of activist who always believes they are right. There seem to be very few women here who actually question their own motives, as they ask trans people to do. The world can really do without that kind of "activism". Nothing will be won that way. I stand by what I said. I am hoping they will all die, with their ego-motivated "feminism", and be replaced by those who are strong enough to be accountable.

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  45. That's funny, I never see any of the women here claim that transgenders "hearts have turned to black" and "hope they all die". I only see that from YOU, Anon @6:43.

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  46. "That's funny, I never see any of the women here claim that transgenders "hearts have turned to black" and "hope they all die". I only see that from YOU, Anon @6:43."

    Nope. You are right. They claim much worse.

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  47. "Nope. You are right. They claim much worse."

    Like what?

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  48. ""Nope. You are right. They claim much worse."

    Like what?"

    Indeed. It isn't the rad fems around here wishing people dead.

    "I am hoping they will all die..."

    There you go again! It's either an empty comment (in that everyone dies eventually) , OR actually wishing PEOPLE (as opposed to an ideology) were dead and gone.

    Goodness, all that the rad fems have done on here, in the main, is think that people are deluded, and that the trans cant isn't exactly healthy for women...........

    P.S. Seems to be someone else on here using my ID, but heck, most of you will be able to tell the REAL BadDyke from those pale imitations :-)

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  49. Right. Go on the attack, and then act like a victim when someone calls you out on your shitty brand of activism. Oh, okay. You were only negating our identities and criticizing our every action, word, and thought. Pulling our pictures out from youtube to display to other haters. Thats just the beginning...

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  50. "negating our identities"

    LOL

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  51. "You were only negating our identities and criticizing our every action, word, and thought. Pulling our pictures out from youtube to display to other haters. Thats just the beginning..."

    O help, my identity is being negated............

    Criticizing the trans ideology ISN'T the same as criticising their every action, word and thought. But if you ARE critical of such an ideology, of course you're sometimes going to be critical of peoples actions as well -- just as feminsts are used to being critical of each others actions when pointing out the problems with the patriarchy.

    I think my main response here is -- for fucks sake GROW UP. IF your identity as a man or whatever was actually that innate and secure, you wouldn't give a flying fuck about a few crazy feminists calling you deluded, or asking hard questions about what it actually MEANS to say that you ARE a man. Just as I'm not perturbed by a few loony religionists claiming that I'd deluded in believing that my homosexuality is anything other than some sort of result of poor upbringing or some unspecified psychological trauma.

    Anyway, all boils down to (some) trans people believe things about gender that feminists don't.

    Saying we deeply and profoundly disagree ISN'T negating your identity, just shows that you have chosen to build your identity on such a false foundation, if the mere suggestion that gender might not be what you think it is 'negates your identity'.

    Anyway, we have criticising the trans ideology, which supposedly 'negates your identity', as opposed to the explicit claims of hate speech and death wishes on here.

    I don't think anyone here is 'acting like a victim' by pointing out that wishing people dead is pretty disgusting and disgraceful. I'm certainly not 'playing the victim' saying that I do find many from the trans crowd here to be acting in a despicable way -- I think I understand WHY (partly because of the way the whole trans ideology works and how inherently unstable it is to any criticism), but that doesn't make the behaviour itself any the less despicable, and I think people need to be called out on that, need to think about WHY they are wishing dead people who really AREN'T suggesting that they be lined up against a wall and shot, or that beating them with baseball bats is okay, but just that we DISAGREE on what we each believe about gender and sex, or about the best way to tackle issues that some women and girls have around sex/gender and their identity.

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  52. Who's the REAL enemy of trans people? Is it radical feminists who go around in gangs looking for trannies to beat up? I don't think so.............

    We all KNOW who it is -- it's men! It's MEN who give trans people a hard time, who threaten and harass, just as it's men who harass dykes and gay people, and (white) men who harass black people, and women etc etc.

    (I know I've said threaten and harass, but there are only so many times I can write 'and rape and assault and murder' without getting too angry to carry on. We all KNOW how violent men can be, you don't need me to tell you that!).

    So, why do trans people have a go at rad fems as if we're the greatest enemy to their freedom? If all the feminists on the web turned round tomorrow and decided that trans was fine and we all now agree on gender/brain sex/ gender roles or whatever variant of the trans cant you want to decide is the one true gospel -- would that make trans people feel any SAFER using whatever bathroom they want, walking the streets etc etc.

    I don't think so.

    Or perhaps the fun fems are right, men aren't the REAL problem, it's been those naughty rad fems all along!

    Get real people! Rad fems aren't a physical threat (where as we all know, it's bloody hard to do anything about it in the short term), but we are an IDEOLOGICAL threat to the continuing list of trans converts! Because if we weren't such a threat, why would ANYONE bother getting so heated about the whole thing, or claiming they don't give a damn, yet still bothering to come here and issue the threats and keep telling us all how unimportant our views supposedly are............

    I think it really is something more than just -- we can't kick the people that really give us trouble, so we'll kick the rad fems instead, because no one likes them anyway!

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