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Thursday, October 6, 2011

Fear-The New State of Feminism

 I recently received this message from a young feminist:

My name is XXXX and I'm a 26 year old woman currently working for a feminist organization serving rural women and girls in XXXXXX. I have always identified as a girl/woman but only in recent years have really come to appreciate the awesomeness of what that means. I love my body and would never want to part with any aspect of it. I have enjoyed wonderful sexual and romantic experiences with men and women, and have expressed my gender in various ways from feminine to androgynous. What bothers me these days is that I have observed several young women in my community transitioning and embracing male-centric identities. The movement is very strong here to educate the public about trans people and their experiences, and as someone working in the field of social justice/feminism I feel obligated to support trans people as an equity-seeking group. Deep down, however, I'm very concerned about the shrinking of the category "woman" and the violent influence of misogyny on all of us, particularly the pressure on women to alter and in some cases mutilate our bodies. I've seen people on the internet attaching the "hate" label to your posts and videos, but what nobody (except you) seems to be talking about is the internalized hatred that every female faces in this deeply misogynistic world, and how this is linked to transitioning. Yet, were I to publicly agree with you I would a) be disowned by my FTM friends/acquaintances and b) be shunned by others working in my field. I have only spoken with one other feminist who expressed a view similar to yours, and she is a long-time activist who I admire and respect. There is just so much silencing of dissent around this issue that I'm afraid to speak my mind. Thank you for having the courage to articulate your perspective. I suspect that there are many feminists who, like me, feel silenced but glad that someone is raising these questions.

More and more feminist are expressing similar sentiments to the feminist's predicament above. The trans community takes the mass feminist silence as trans approval, but nothing could be further from the truth. Feminists are women, and women from our earliest teachings are taught to either be "polite" or "say nothing at all". Since postmodernism's conservative backlash against feminism first spewed Queer Theory from its muck funnel, there has been a rising tide of pressure for women/feminist to accept anything no matter how inane, from their fluid PC driven politic.

The greatest failure of feminism is silence in the face of violence against women. And make no bones about it, transition IS violence against women on a multitude of levels! Whether it is being silent about men co-opting "woman", allowing these men in female spaces or watching with cringed expressions and tight lips while women and girls are being brainwashed with acute misogyny then violated by the male medical machine perpetuating that misogyny for a fucking buck!

Silence IS the enemy! Silence permits violence against girls and women because when there is no one saying NO, it is presumed that everyone is thinking yes.

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72 comments:

  1. "I'm very concerned about the shrinking of the category 'woman'"

    Funny. And here I thought elimination of that category was the objective of radical feminism.

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  2. "And here I thought elimination of that category was the objective of radical feminism."

    Wrong again. Go educate yourself (whoops, slipped into trans-speak there!).

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  3. If you want to abolish gender altogether, as it is a means by which females oppressed, the end result is necessarily the elimination of "man" and "woman" categories.

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  4. females are oppressed*

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  5. all i have to say dirt is you are all about promoting butch women and I am all for that...but you don't have to i guess "hate" or resent FTM's. You blog seems to be about promoting the butch awareness but you seem to be spending more time slamming on FTM's. I feel your intentions were in the right place but now have strayed.

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  6. "the end result is necessarily the elimination of "man" and "woman" categories."

    Usual trans confusion between sex and gender (obvious when you understand they redefine gender to mean the SEX of the brain (unproven hypothesis BTW).

    Eliminating gender would not eliminate the categories man and women, they'd just be an adult male human being, and an adult female human being.

    It's not feminists who want to eliminate biology in this way, but the trans crowd, since acording to them some mystical 'brain innate gender' trumps the biological reality of the sex of your body, or the sex of your chromosomes.

    "but you don't have to i guess "hate" or resent FTM's. " For myself, I disagree with the trans ideology, which is a totally different thing to HATING a single trans person on this earth.

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  7. I think its sad that people feel the need to set the imaginary bars we call "privilege" and "oppression"
    We become desensitized to our own "privilege" and heighten the bar.
    We feel like life should be better for ourselves, that there is a way things SHOULD be (which there isn't)
    Its in our selfish human nature to assume we deserve better. But this is life, and you will always feel oppressed if you keep comparing your life and treatment to those better off rather than to those worse off and ignoring the "privilege" you DO have.
    And no, i'm not talking about trans people.

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  8. How better to gain that privilege than transition, rather than work for it so all profit.

    dirt

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  9. Dirt.
    You would have to make the assumption (and its a very big assumption)That people transition to gain some kind of privilege. when in reality, trans people in the majority of the world are often classed/ treated as second hand citizens, especially male transitioners (MTF)

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  10. Males never lose their male privilege and females gain it.

    dirt

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  11. Well that is simply garbage talk Dirt.
    You have a very self defeating attitude.

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  12. No one ever said reality is pretty. But at least most of us choose to live in it or work to change its ugliness.

    dirt

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  13. Your argument still falls flat.
    I would say when a man is murdered for being an MTF transitioner, they just lost their male privilege.
    Stop trying to kid yourself Dirt.

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  14. You can only assert that your world view is the correct one. But you cant seem to prove that you are right.
    I think you gave an example of women being harassed in the streets for there looks and men not suffering the same treatment as a "male privilege"
    If men didn't lose their "male privilege" from transitioning, they wouldn't suffer harassment, would they? i guess transwomen are treated with the same respect men are on their daily outings, right?

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  15. If a guy who in constant transition, is killed, it is usually because of homophobia which is informed by misogyny. So if we work to eliminate misogyny which would eliminate the trans disorder AND male privilege, both males and females win.

    dirt

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  16. 9:02
    well, because mtf's acting like 'women' who are lower ranked to begin with, no?

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  17. i think that men (the people who mostly commit hate crimes) in general consider men transitioning to female a 'downgrade' and women transitioning to male an 'upgrade'

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  18. No, They are killed out of prejudice, i do not agree with the term "homophobia" an irrational FEAR of homosexuals? rubbish.
    But with that thinking, you would say trans people should be a part of the LGB community wouldn't you?
    hmm.
    And "homophobia" as you like to call it is not informed by "misogyny" at all. where did you pull that tripe from?
    Either way none of this really changes the fact that people do not transition to gain privilege. Specially since you are more likely to be treated with less respect as a trans than you are as a male or female. And i haven't even gotten in to the fact that gender doesn't play the key role in "privilege"

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  19. 9:41, no one here is denying that looking, acting a certain way or even owning a certain thing can give you an advantage in life. My argument is that it doesn't matter.

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  20. At the end of the day, it all comes down to the fact that people do not transition for the sole purpose of gaining privilege.
    Both genders transition.
    Feminism is motivated by this idea that there is a privilege bar, that will always be pushed higher and higher, making the bar unreachable.

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  21. but a large part of transition is about how one is treated as a particular gender by society, it's not all about looking in the mirror

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  22. A whole load of the usual trans denial going on here.

    Let's cut out the privelege crap, it's just another jargon-loaded non-debate (you get it, no we don't, prove it, haul out the assault statistics etc).

    Let's face it, the possible motivation for some female transitioners is quite clear -- they hope that if they pass well enough, they'll avoid the constant surveillance and harassment that females get on being recognisable as female in the street. They hope that their boyish good looks will enable them to just walk down the street and be seen as just another dude.

    It's the difference between swaggering down the street and people thinking -- just another dude, and swaggering down the street and people saying -- yuck, a butch dyke, what a pervert (or some variation thereof).

    When it doesn't quite work out like that, of course then some trans people are going to deny that was ever what they were hoping for, and try to turn their experience around by saying -- no one would ever do this unless they really had to, because have you seen the number of trans people that get attacked/raped/murdered?

    I'm NOT saying such attacks aren't deplorable, I'm just saying that we can see through use in trying to deny that any considerations of 'privelege' to be gained (there, broke my own rule!) didn't play any part in the process.

    "And i haven't even gotten in to the fact that gender doesn't play the key role in "privilege"" And the usual, feminists are wrong when they talk about misogyny crap to follow, no doubt. Or perhaps the ole transgendered as opposed to ***gendered crap as well?

    Ooooh, I'm SO priveleged because the sex of my brain (not that I think it exists!) matches the sex of my body...........

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  23. A Large part of it for SOME is being recognized as your desired gender.
    Not gaining special "privileges"
    The Majority of transition is how you feel in your own skin. you transition for yourself. nobody else.

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  24. "If men didn't lose their "male privilege" from transitioning, they wouldn't suffer harassment, would they?"

    No one said there weren't some drawbacks. I could go into this, but its actually irrelevant because it's quite clear that the case of male and female trans people is different, and the case for F2T is what we mostly discuss on here. And in that case, the ATTEMPT to gain male privilege by lopping yer tits off is as CLEAR as the mammary glands you used to have always were to the male eyes.

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  25. If transition is about feeling good in your own skin, explain why the majority of transitioners are still autogynes?

    dirt

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  26. "The Majority of transition is how you feel in your own skin. you transition for yourself. nobody else."

    If that were REALLY the case, then why does so much about transition focus on the appearance?

    And that is obviously bullshit, because as women we already know the tension between how you feel about your own skin, and the effects of what society thinks of your skin. You CAN'T escape the effects of patriarchal society, as much as some trans folk like to claim that it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with society, and is purely some sort of personal, internal, private body issue.

    If that were REALLY the case, why does 'transition' involve changing what you wear, how you talk, move, act etc? Why is it so important to try and pass and to persuade others to use the 'correct' pronouns?

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  27. What are you talking about badDyke, its like you have come up with your own personal assumption of why people transition and are just pushing it on us and asserting that you are correct, when you simply are not.
    You make so many assumptions, Like trans men looked like "dykes" before they transitioned, when the way you dress or how you wear your hair has absolutely nothing to do with gender at all. And many transmen did and still do wear clothes labeled "feminine".
    Simply asserting "this is why trans people transition" doesn't make it so.
    And as someone who has always been a bit of a tomboy and has never been harassed by the way i look/dress, and also owning my own company so its not like i have trouble with employment. i really cant see how anything you just said is at all compatible with my life experience.
    But you will just deny all we have to say so you can cry out for sympathy for being female and how hopelessly oppressed you are.
    Anywho.
    There is really nothing to be gained from transition than personally feeling comfortable in your own skin.
    And bad dyke. dont try and shrug off everything i have to say as an attempt to avoid it. you are not as hopelessly oppressed as you think you are.

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  28. Im afraid im not familiar with the word "autogynes"

    I'm having alot of questions fired at me at once so I'm going to pick probably the most important.

    "If that were REALLY the case, then why does so much about transition focus on the appearance?"
    Because there are parts of our body that we do not like. for example, i have freckles, i don't like them an if i could get rid of them i would, i don't worry that other people wont like them, i don't expect people to look down at me because i have freckles, and most time they are covered up by my shirt anyway, but i still don't like them very much. What is so wrong with caring about your appearance even if its just for you?
    erm what else.

    "No one said there weren't some drawbacks. I could go into this, but its actually irrelevant because it's quite clear that the case of male and female trans people is different, and the case for F2T is what we mostly discuss on here. And in that case, the ATTEMPT to gain male privilege by lopping yer tits off is as CLEAR as the mammary glands you used to have always were to the male eyes"
    So what you are saying is because their could be some potential perks to transitioning for females that that MUST be the reason they transition. ahh ok.

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  29. Anyway ive gotta get back to work, Because i'm afraid my gender alone isn't going to make money for me lmao.
    see yall.

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  30. "If there are two discrete biological sexes, then it is not hard to argue that there are two discrete modes of human behavior, sex-related, sex-determined. One might argue for a liberalization of sex-based roles, but one cannot justifiably argue for their total redefinition."

    Andrea Dworking - Woman Hating

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  31. "....it is not hard to argue that there are two discrete modes of human behavior, sex-related, sex-determined......"

    Just saying its an EASY assumption to make doesn't mean that it is TRUE, or that whatever differences there are haven't been magnified by the influence of society.

    "So what you are saying is because their could be some potential perks to transitioning for females" POTENTIAL perks? I'd say not being judged as female and not being seen as female is a pretty bloody big PERK if you can pull it off! Unless, of course, you believe that everything in the garden is rosey for women, and that the centuries of discrimination have finally been eliminated...........

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  32. "...than personally feeling comfortable in your own skin"

    There is nothing wrong with that. The big problem is that "feeling comfortable" means that other people are forced to play along even if they don't belive in the gender ideology. For example they have to adress trans people with their wished pronouns and so on and if people disagree they are labeled as hater or transphobe (which doesn't make any sense). For me that's nothing but paranoia.

    I apologise if there are spelling or grammar mistakes.

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  34. idiot poster who wrote the following:

    Because there are parts of our body that we do not like. for example, i have freckles, i don't like them an if i could get rid of them i would, i don't worry that other people wont like them, i don't expect people to look down at me because i have freckles, and most time they are covered up by my shirt anyway, but i still don't like them very much.

    let me guess in your life from birth people influenced you to be/act/dress a certain way coz of those there freckles? lol how can you even compare freckles with being seen as female in this world?! are you really that dense?! as if people treated you like a sex object cuz ur freckles are just oh sooooo sexy. i gotta rape that there girl cuz her freckles be driving me crayyyyycrayyy...

    omg. you just dont get it.
    girls are treated different in this world than boys in a major drastic oppressive way. this is not the same as people with freakin freckles.

    /eye rollll

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  35. So many idiots here. I am an FTM, and I transition becuase my body is female, and my brain is male, and having the two switched is some sort of hell on Earth. I promise, that's really all it is. Nothing more.

    And being transgender is as legitimate as cancer, it is when hormones are messed up in utero, and the body fails to transition to the sex of the brain. And yes, man and women's brains are quite different. ftms have a brain nearly biologically identical to that of a male born male. You all don't know how lucky you are. Ingrateful swine.

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  36. I'd gather that butchier lesbians' brains are also similar to 'male' brains but I can't find any studies on this. There's probably much greater variation of brain types than the few small studies have 'proven.'

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  37. but the thing is, your body will never be male and it will never 'match' that male brain of yours (that was good enough to come up with 'ingrateful swine' for us)- only make other people (maybe) think you're a man.

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  38. Yes I read that this FTM brain study was done on straight? men, pre-hormone FTMs and straight women. If it were done on people with more variant gender-expression I bet the results would not be so 'conclusive.' Also, the MTF comparisons' results were inconclusive.

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  39. "body is female, and my brain is male".

    That's not possible because being male means having XY chromosomes. It's not possible to have two different sets of chromosomes in one body.


    "So many idiots here"

    You are the one who doesn't know about human biology.


    "And yes, man and women's brains are quite different. ftms have a brain nearly biologically identical to that of a male born male."

    Oh yeah where is the proof that explains anything about it? Why is there so little information about this??


    "Ingrateful swine"

    That's all you can do?? Insulting people?? babbling bullshit about the human body?? How pathetic!

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  40. I think my statement was not clear:

    "It's not possible to have two different sets of chromosomes in one body."

    I know there are intersex people I was talking about having XY and XX chromosomes in one body at the same time but in different body parts.

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  41. 3:16, you are the Idiot here.
    I'm not a lesbian, i don't hate men or the attention they give me, in fact i kind of miss the attention i got from straight men before.
    Damn, most men would LOVE to be seen as sex objects by women, but not women, ohhh no. i really don't see the big deal! And considering Ive been running my own company since i was 16, I've always been well respected in my community.
    Do people just assume that women hate sexual attention by default?
    pfft! get a clue.
    I could benefit from being taller, but you don't see me searching up surgery to become tall, and I'm seriously short.
    And you know? Nothing has really changed since i started transition, I'm still well respected and i still earn the same living. because I can over come any kind of "oppression" simply by how i present myself as a confident human being with a good attitude. people are forced to judge me on the content of my character and not by what i look like or what is between my legs, My personality simply trumps all of that.
    NOTHING about my life has changed other than my appearance, I still have the same job, the same income and the same circle of friends.
    And you know what? i never pressure them to call me by any specific pronouns. Most call me he anyway, but a she slips out now and then and i don't really care.
    You gals make life sound so tragically difficult! its not!
    well that's all I've got to say, ill pop back in a week or so, bye.

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  42. ***BadDyke****

    Hi Dirt!!

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  43. "You gals make life sound so tragically difficult! its not!"

    To bad it is for many females. So just because you are happy doesn't mean there is no opression.

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  44. "ftms have a brain nearly biologically identical to that of a male born male."


    There are studies that lesbians have brain structures identical to straight men.

    Does that mean lesbian women are really "men"? No! By the way aren't many ftms lesbians? (that's a serious question).


    There are studies that gay men have brain structures identical to straight women.

    Are gay men really "women"? Nope! (Besides in the iran) :-(

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  45. So, even if there really was a difference between the male brain and the female brain, why should a person's body have to match their brain?

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  46. " why should a person's body have to match their brain?"

    It seems that it's not about the brain. It's about the things you can get/do if your body is like A or B. This has nothing to do with something that's between your ears.

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  47. Dirt can you do a post about the three women who just won the noble peace prize?

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  48. OK, wait. FTMs acquire privilege because they are seen s male and society grants them male privilege. And yet, FTMs will never look male, according to you. So which is it? Do they look male and therefore acquire male privilege, or do they look like women and therefore NOT have male privilege?

    Can't have it both ways, Dirt.

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  49. I can understand why some people feel bodily dysphoria. I'm sure the thought process goes something like:

    I'm a female bodied person who is attracted to women, therefore I must be male-brained, because I'm told that homosexuality is wrong. I'm not some kind of perverted lesbian.

    I'm a female bodied person who likes playing sports and wearing traditionally male clothing. I'm attracted to men but I don't act like your typical woman. I want to be on equal footing with men. Therefore I must have a male brain.

    It's driven by homophobia and outdated notions of behaviour and sex

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  50. "I'm a female bodied person who is attracted to women, therefore I must be male-brained, because I'm told that homosexuality is wrong. I'm not some kind of perverted lesbian."

    lololololololololol no

    Seriously. We've refuted this rubbish time and time again. Why is it so hard to believe us?

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  51. "Why is it so hard to believe us?"

    Because on this blog are also comments which are stating the exact opposite.

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  52. "I'm a female bodied person who is attracted to women, therefore I must be male-brained, because I'm told that homosexuality is wrong. I'm not some kind of perverted lesbian."

    Riiiiiight... so in my haste not to be some kind of perverted lesbian, I became some kind of perverted transsexual. Because transsexuals aren't perceived as perverted. Suuuuure. That MUST be it.

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  53. But it's true, anon. If you want to be perceived as a het man instead of the lesbian you are than that is some pretty blatant self hatred.

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  54. Just wondering how you feel about male-to-female transsexual women who are giving up or gave up male privilege in a patriarchal and misogynist society? I am not pro nor anti trans though I do think female-to-male transitioning is a bit of a fade now and very "in-style" "trendy" "edgy" - one only needs to look at the ideal age/look of the trans guys to know fat and old looking FTMs need not apply online. On the other hand transsexual women (many of whom do not pass as natal female, unlike their FTM counterparts) lose a hell of a lot more and I respect them greatly for the love they have for their womanhood also they seem to be mostly into feminism. They tasted and lived the life of privilege, of being on the top of the food chain and gave it up just to be what they felt inside, a woman. Not trendy, edgy, in-style but to be the person they felt they should have been and for that I greatly respect them. Just wondering hoe you feel about it?

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  55. I meant "how" not ho - sorry

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  56. " who are giving up or gave up male privilege in a patriarchal and misogynist society?"

    The problem is that many of them aren't giving up their privilege and they don't respect women.


    "I respect them greatly for the love they have for their womanhood also they seem to be mostly into feminism"

    Love for womanhood?? Just read this:
    http://mansplaintransplain.wordpress.com/

    or this:
    http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/kentucky-fairness-campaigns-anthony-g-casebeer-lesbian-feminists-will-be-gruesomely-murdered-–-by-him/

    http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/men-love-the-ladies-restroom-transgender-edition/

    http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/global-business-law-firm-mcdermott-will-emory-wins-tax-funded-sex-change-for-mass-child-rapist/

    http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/i-am-not-a-man-goodbye-frank-spisak/

    It seems that you are a bit naive. For many men there is a fetishist aspect in transition. That's not about being female it's about living their own (sometimes porn) fantasy.


    "hey tasted and lived the life of privilege, of being on the top of the food chain and gave it up just to be what they felt inside, a woman."

    Yeah they "felt" they are women. This doesn't make them female. Many of them behave very anti female. That's whats so disgusting about it.

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  57. I forgot this link:
    http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/the-transgender-bathroom-fantasy/

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  58. "The problem is that many of them aren't giving up their privilege and they don't respect women."

    I've seen this said here before, but no one seems to explain how a MTF keeps their male privilege. If they pass then they are treated in society as women, and if they don't then they are scorned for being transsexual. Can someone clear this up for me?

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  59. Too many of you are revealing what YOUR motivations for transitioning would be when you wrongly describe ours as being purely based on sociological considerations. This indicates to me that you are not at all trans. If you ever actually considered transitioning, many of you would be directly confronted with the kind of fear and loss that most of us TRANSMEN have had to accept in our lives. It takes alot of self-love to do what we need to do in the face of judgment from all sides. Please do us all a favor and DON'T transition because you want power and privilege, ladies. You will never survive the process.

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  60. "The problem is that many of them aren't giving up their privilege and they don't respect women."

    I've seen this said here before, but no one seems to explain how a MTF keeps their male privilege. If they pass then they are treated in society as women, and if they don't then they are scorned for being transsexual. Can someone clear this up for me?


    BadDyke will probably have a better answer, but I think it's because the vast majority of mtf don't actually pass. People can tell they're bio males who've had plastic surgery. And so everybody humors them just like we'd humor the fool who thinks he's Peter Pan.

    Which is why I always act friendly to them, but make sure I mention something about "everyone in the department understands how hard it must be for you to be transgendered". Basically, I'm telling them that I can tell and so can everyone else. The look on their face is priceless.

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  61. There was one who showed up not too long ago, and he could sorta pass as female, until you spent more than two seconds with him. He behaved exactly like any other man with an entitlement mentality. In other words, he expected women to clean up after him, to be given first access to everything.

    Plus, his bones were too big. Honestly, men need every bone in their body surgically shaved, the bones are just too freaking big even on short men. It's obvious, hello, the proportion is all wrong. Anybody with even a smidgeon of medical or art background can tell literally a mile away.

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  62. "but I think it's because the vast majority of mtf don't actually pass."

    I think it has to do with their behaviour.
    For example the issue with the letter to the UN. There was such an outburst of hate and bigotry I was shocked. They don't understand womens need for safe spaces. Then there was the penis flashing incident at michfest and so on.

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  63. @10:34PM

    "The look on their face is priceless"

    Why, how clever of you! How praiseworthy, that you absolutely NEED to let someone know that you see right though them!

    What a condescending, self-satisfied, insufferable person you must be to be around...

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  64. most people (men more than womeni'd wager) are simple and accept ftm's as (however odd) males- personally (after years of experience) i find ftm's just as noticeable as mtf's. it's easier to fool others while still young and looking like an adolescent boy but that doesn't last very long.

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  65. "There was such an outburst of hate and bigotry"
    More like an outburst of righteous anger at the attempt to internationally perpetuate the stereotype that all trans women are sexual perverts and predators. It is also born of an ignorant understanding of existing laws, declaring that "gender identity" legislation somehow permits "men in dresses" to enter womens' bathrooms at their leisure. This is patently false.

    "They don't understand womens need for safe spaces."
    The gross implication in that statement is that MTFs are a danger to born-women. This is not true, and most often trans women are attacked by born-women, rather than the other way around.

    "Then there was the penis flashing incident at michfest and so on."
    The "incident" involved a post-op trans man, who tried his best to keep it concealed, but found that rather impossible when forced to move from one shower stall to another. No one had said anything, until much later when the rumor mill started churning and twisting the facts.

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  66. "I think it's because the vast majority of mtf don't actually pass. People can tell they're bio males who've had plastic surgery."

    But in that case, they are treated as less for being trans. In my experience I see MTFs who don't pass being thought of as freaks, (confirmed in your description of pointing out that they don't pass) facing employment and housing discrimination, and being at risk for being attacked or killed because of their trans status... so how does that translate into them keeping their male privilege?

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  67. >Basically, I'm telling them that I can tell and so can everyone else. The look on their face is priceless.

    The radfems taking the moral highground I see. Well done, for being a horrible person.

    Dirt - Most Transwomen are autogynephiles-

    The term means ‘love of oneself as a woman’.
    Basically means that when you think sexy thoughts, you think of yourself as a woman doing them. Just like every other women. It doesnt mean you will always become aroused at the thought but it means you sometimes do.

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  68. They delude themselves into thinking that nobody can tell, and it's just, well delusional. Wake up, you're delusional!!

    About the bathrooms and prisons etc. I've gotten to the point that I personally refuse to engage with that directly, because non-transgendered gronk the problem immediately with allowing any male into sex-segregated spaces *merely because he wants to*.

    So I no longer care that trans have a problem with it. Nobody else does.

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  69. "and being at risk for being attacked or killed because of their trans status"

    That's mostly because of homophobia.

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  70. " I was talking about having XY and XX chromosomes in one body at the same time but in different body parts."

    If it were that simple, that is at least simple to determine from a biopsy. but that would make a chimera, NOT a trans person.

    The claims about male brains etc involove very small samples, measuring one titchy little brain region, complications of possible effects of hormones etc. ALso ignores brain platicity.

    The science isn't sound on this one, or at least not at the male brain/female brain level that the trans crowd advocate.

    There is also a lot of nonsense spouted about the supposed 'natural' differences between female brains and male brains, and its mostly hogwash. A lot of studies also ignore effects of socialisation -- which recently exposed a problem with the supposed natural difference between men and women as regards mental spatial rotations.

    " ftms have a brain nearly biologically identical to that of a male born male.""

    Nope.

    http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/brain-sex_critique.html

    and various other papers. The brain-sex theory is still that, and seemingly not a very good theory, given the data.

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  71. "most often trans women are attacked by born-women"

    I think you'll find the actual problem here is MEN, in that they are the ones that trans women would be afraid of if they were forced to use the mens room.

    And similarly, its MEN who are the problem who demand access to womens bathrooms when they're still packing a bio dick, and who refuse to listen to women who say they don't want dicks in the womens room, even if the man sporting it claims to 'be' a woman inside.

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  72. "And similarly, its MEN who are the problem who demand access to womens bathrooms when they're still packing a bio dick, and who refuse to listen to women who say they don't want dicks in the womens room, even if the man sporting it claims to 'be' a woman inside."

    That's male privilege.

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