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Sunday, August 7, 2011

Trans Politics are NOT Gay and Lesbian Friendly

The above pic taken from this website, I think the penis with the sign on the far right the most interesting, given GID wouldnt exist if those who claim to be trans actually did love themselves.

From the same trans website:  "Gender identity is who one is. Sexual orientation is to whom one is attracted. [FN59] Transgender people have all sexual orientations: some transgender people are straight, some are gay, some are bisexual, and some are queer. [FN60] Yet, such a statement is problematic. As soon as we recognize that there are more than two genders, the terms "homosexual," "heterosexual," and "bisexual" no longer make sense. For instance, I am someone who identifies as somewhat male, but not completely, as mostly trans, perhaps as trannyfag. So, am I "homosexual" only if I am attracted to others who have the exact identification that I do? Am I heterosexual if I'm attracted to anyone who does not have my exact identification? The terms "homo-", "hetero-", and "bi-sexual" presume a world with only two genders".

Not only does this relegate homosexuality and lesbianism to one dimensionalism, it also chooses to dismember homosexuality and lesbianism by conveniently refuting the foundation of male and female. Meaning if "female" can be taken apart at the core, lesbians do not and cannot exist. 

"There is no one way to be transgender. I want to highlight this statement: there is no prototypical transgender experience".


This political statement since the "T" is attached to the "GL" undermines gays and lesbians, because as a lesbian, there IS a nucleus to the female/lesbian experience regardless of race, religion or class. 


Against the Use of the Sex-Gender Distinction: It Is Not Logical and It Is
Harmful to Transgender People
A. De-Naturalizing Sex: Sex Is Not to Nature as Gender Is to Culture--Both Sex and Gender Are Social Constructs and Socially Real

If "male" and "female" can be dismantled by trans politics, every single right and equality gays and lesbians have fought and (some died) for in the past 40+ years can be lost, including the recent states that have passed equal marriage rights

THIS is a MUST read for every gay and lesbian. 

If there is so little common ground with trans politics, why does the trans community insist on being included in gay and lesbian politics? 
dirt


Feel free to include more quotes in the comments from this Nurembergian site, I'm off to work.


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34 comments:

  1. "Having no particular obsession over whether someone has an innie, an outie, or anything in between is a patriarchally reinforcing act?"

    No, but cutting off your breasts and taking T because your body does not conform to a stereotypical idea of what is male and female is

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  2. It's true. The terms gay and lesbian take for granted the idea that there are only two sexes. So much of what has been thought of as "gay" behavior has nothing to do with sexual partnering at all. Any gender deviance amongst people has been claimed by gays as belonging to the gay rubric. In fact, many gender deviants are attracted to people of the opposite chromosomal sex. Butch straight women, fey straight guys and every other possibility. This is why gender presentation is separate from sexuality. The confusion created by gays conflating the two aspects has led to the identity crisis amongst gays confronted with transness, genderqueerness, and other definitions. All the sudden your gay domain is quite small after all, having only to do with same sex between two essentialist-defined sexes. Increasingly people are allowed to see gender in other ways. I think that the ship has sailed. The same-sex act itself does not constitute a culture, a community, shared experiences or understanding in any way. The truth is now that many people do not feel aligned with your rigid definition of gender. So your strong reaction is quite understandable, as the very foundation upon which you have built your understanding of self and world is no longer relevant to most people. Besides all of us who actually live in bodies that match our psyches, there are loads and loads of trans or genderqueer people who do not transition, do not call themselves he OR she, and do not feel obliged to make proclamations about what genitals they will desire for the rest of their lives. Furthermore, any attempt to change these people's minds and coerce them to identify as female or butch or lesbian will only come across as incredibly oppressive, antiquated and essentialist. Especially when such vitriole is combined with the message. You are like dinosaurs railing against their own extinction.

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  3. Dirtywhitemanboi...are you ever going to have a post that does NOT talk about trans people? If you're a proud butch, then I would think you would have at least one that focuses on butches and being proud. Guess not.

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  4. Dismantling patriarchy IS about Butches!

    dirt

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  5. "Dirtywhitemanboi...are you ever going to have a post that does NOT talk about trans people? "

    Lol aren't you able to read the blog? Of course she has many posts about other things.


    "If you're a proud butch, then I would think you would have at least one that focuses on butches"

    Again there are several posts about it. Just look at the tags if you aren't smart enough to use the search option.

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  6. Heres a ligit question? For dirt.
    What do u thing people who have ftm feeling but havent began the prossess do? Honestly... How does one fix the disire to be male? Not being hatefull or sarcastic, just want to know what the alternative is...

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  7. You begin by understanding what informs the desire. A lot changes once the gender blinders are removed. You then work at loving who you are, rather than who you THINK you are.

    It isnt an over night process, by if you want to be happy and comfortable with yourself, its clearly worth your efforts.

    Also maturity, not enough can be said about that.

    dirt

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  8. Do u suggest therapy? Or is it more of a self prosses? I have the desire be havent transitiond, ...iv been waiting to grow out of it for 20 years an havent and am open to all
    Alternatives befor docters.

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  9. There is no therapy designed to help those who THINK they SHOULD be male and female if they arent.

    Again, why do you think you are a sex that you are not? Take some time, think about it.

    dirt

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  10. Sounds like i have alot of self though an love to work on, thank you for being kind an mature.

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  11. Not only is Genderism inherently Homophobic, but prominent Trans Activist Monica Roberts has called on Trans Activists to bash in the heads of Lesbians with baseball bats:
    http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/monica-roberts-on-pimpslapping-lesbians-and-bashing-our-heads-in/

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  12. " Dirt said...
    You begin by understanding what informs the desire. A lot changes once the gender blinders are removed. You then work at loving who you are, rather than who you THINK you are.

    It isnt an over night process, by if you want to be happy and comfortable with yourself, its clearly worth your efforts.

    Also maturity, not enough can be said about that.

    dirt"

    Fantastic response.

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  13. Of course there are only two sexes, XX and XY, with room for the intersexed, who at most make up approximately 2% of live births. That means the rest of us are either XX or XY. I understand that science can sometimes be inconvenient, but if there's going to be a conversation, a debate, or understanding, it is helpful to be clear about a word and its proper definition. Gender and sex *aren't* the same thing, no matter how much genderists, complementarians, etc. wish it were so.

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  14. "The same-sex act itself does not constitute a culture, a community, shared experiences or understanding in any way."

    O, there we are then fellow lesbians, what we thought was lesbian culture, lesbian community, or shared lesbian experience doesn't actually exist.

    What a load of TOSH.

    "The terms gay and lesbian take for granted the idea that there are only two sexes."

    Because simple biological fact, there are only two, XX and XY. Who is confusing gender and sex here yet again?

    "The confusion created by gays conflating the two aspects has led to the identity crisis amongst gays confronted with transness, genderqueerness, and other definitions." Well, identity crisis when someone is claiming that your community DOESN'T EXIST. Although frankly, most lesbians would just get on with it, and ignore nutters claiming they don't exist as a community, or claiming there are more than two sexes, or getting confused yet again about gender and sex.

    It's so simple anyone should be able to get it. Sex is simple biology, and XX or XY is yer basic set (although you could of course ask from an evolutionary point of view WHY there are only two sexes in most organisms in the first place!).

    Gender is just a social construct, hence there is no meaning in the phrase:
    "Besides all of us who actually live in bodies that match our psyches"

    "as the very foundation upon which you have built your understanding of self and world is no longer relevant to most people." Again, what hopeless tosh!

    "All the sudden your gay domain is quite small after all, having only to do with same sex between two essentialist-defined sexes. Increasingly people are allowed to see gender in other ways." Again, confusing sex and gender.

    A whole load of confused post-modernist, queer nonsense, whose overwhelming tone is that the gay community doesn't exist, and that our views are irrelevent anyway. God, if the straight world couldn't get rid of us, do you think a few gender-deluded trans people can do the job? Although they do seem to be trying, and think that if you believe this nonsense hard enough, that will make it true.......

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  15. That last post should have said BadDyke, I pressed the button too soon!

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  16. This blog reads like a bunch of jealous, bitter women who hate what they have struggled with themselves... sour grapes much?

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  17. "This blog reads like a bunch of jealous..."

    Lol I doubt that you've read the whole blog. Hate for what? jealous of what? You know this endless "you hate this...you hate that..." gets really boring and it shows that people who are ranting about this blog don't read it.

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  18. Anon@10:40am,

    Misogyny much? You really hate females dont you.

    dirt

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  19. Bad Dyke, whatever "tosh" is in your world, it means nothing to most of the rest of us. And simply calling an idea "tosh" does not make it true, it just underlines the fact that you don't *want* it to be true. This has no relevance. No trans person has ever claimed their chromosomes *are* aligned with their gender (although statistically some are, unbeknownst to the owners of those chromosomes.)
    In the history of humans, meanings attached to words has evolved and changed according to the culture that uses them. Even the word "gay" has no direct correlate in many non-Western cultures, as people are defined in their own cultural context. If Western culture is evolving to see gender differently, that's a natural evolution. Enough with the self-involved paranoia about the patriarchy seeking to destroy gender-nonconforming people. There's more gender-nonconformity now that trans is on the radar than there was before. Plenty of people don't seek to change their bodies, and some will. Why on god's green earth would you believe that any of this is an attack on you? Because you can't stand the fact that it isn't about you at all.

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  20. Anon,

    In the last few years there has been copious amounts of comments made by those IDing as "trans" who do not understand the most rudimentary of aspects of their biology.

    And words are only drained of meaning by the ignorant or mentally ill. Words arent biology, they do not "evolve". Where I come from a doorknob is the thing you utilize to open a door with.

    dirt

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  21. "Enough with the self-involved paranoia about the patriarchy seeking to destroy gender-nonconforming people."

    You can't deny the problem by calling it self-involved paranoia.


    "There's more gender-nonconformity now that trans is on the radar than there was before."

    How do you know that trans has to do with it? Perhaps people nowadays have more freedom to be non conforming? Sadly trans is used to label non conforming people.


    "Why on god's green earth would you believe that any of this is an attack on you?"

    Dirt cares for other girls and women. Your statement is really strange. This blog is not about her. Read it before complaining.


    "Because you can't stand the fact that it isn't about you at all."

    This statemt doesn't make sense because Dirt's blog isn't about her it's for females.

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  22. What's with butches behaving like they're different from any other woman? I have seen it time and time again... a group of butch/femme couples where the butches go off together and talk about "the women" or "the girls" - I've heard butches talk about their gf's period like it doesn't happen to them the same way. Dirt's video about her "hard butch jawline" and her "butch skin" - excuse me Ma'am - aren't your jawline and skin the same as your femme's? FEMALE? Is a butch born with a harder jawline? Is that how you tell you're butch? As opposed to a soft femme jawline? You talk on and on about misogyny and act like you're something different than female yourselves... quite amusing.

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  23. Awww someone isnt familiar with poetic license...lol

    dirt

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  24. are those first 2 photos of the medically swollen vaginas of 'transmen?' i don't get why individuals take so much pride in the identical effects of pharmaceuticals

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  25. Gender deviance is just that gender deviance. We cannot say that gays claimed and attached it to their rubric. As much as we can say that it has been attached to gay behavior by heteronormative society.

    The Queer/Trans generation feels that to take on gender norms we must not associate ourselves or try not to associate too much with the gender binary and its stereotypes. This is why we have terms like pangender, genderqueer, bi-gender, omni-gender, etc. Shocking that most people adopting these terms are female. This just screams that females are sick of the bullshit stereotypes. But instead of dismantling and attacking the stereotypes they just remove themselves from the word - girl or woman...figuring either they are not worthy of such a word or that the word has zilch to do with who they are. Problem is - I had to realize this was NOT a solution. The only solution is to remove the stereotypes. Explaining to people that gender is just a social construct that is in need of desperate change.

    Instead the queer/trans community focus yes on gender change but certainly a lot of deconstructing the sex binary which I see more about them doing it in the media than the people born in the middle of the sex binary. Bottom line its fighting in the wrong direction. Focus on deconstructing gender bullshit that starts the dysphoria in the first place. Maybe not for yourself but certainly for other generations so they don't have to go through a gazillion new queer terms to figure out who they are and still not feel right or change from one term to another every three months so they can the least bit feel whole...

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  26. "Words arent biology, they do not "evolve". Where I come from a doorknob is the thing you utilize to open a door with."

    Clearly you know nothing of linguistics.
    Many languages, English especially, have evolved a great deal over the centuries to accommodate a changing society, and will continue to evolve for many centuries until it is unrecognizable to us today.

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  27. I know male an female havent!

    dirt

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  28. lmao that site is terrifying.

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  29. Why does it seem harder for people to focus more attention on getting accepted by society (or by oneself) as a different kind of woman - as female than trying to get accepted by society as a "different kind of" male/man - as a female?

    Don't give me the I'm not a woman line either. It just almost sounds like its easier to accept oneself as a man than as a different king of woman of some sort. I have no idea.

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  30. You all simply have to watch the video on the site in which they all go to court and the genitals poke out of the pants and talk -highly disturbing - also the part where the genitals "eat cupcakes" at the end. Really.
    This stuff makes me wonder if the "FTM" community really are stuck in some sort of retroactive childhood. I'd like to think about it that way, rather than consider it blatantly pedophiliac. But why the setup as a children's book? And men baking cupcakes? What is this crap about? Is the testosterone going to their heads?
    Genitals with eyes - the whole thing is f'ing creepy.

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  31. "The same-sex act itself does not constitute a culture, a community, shared experiences or understanding in any way" Anon 6:30 pm Aug 7

    Um, wow.
    Fuck you.

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  32. "The same-sex act itself does not constitute a culture, a community, shared experiences or understanding in any way"

    Of course it does!! Way to prove Dirt's point!
    You can't even stomach the idea of lesbians and gays existing

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  33. "Um, wow.
    Fuck you."

    And fuck you too, friend-o.

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  34. "Bad Dyke, whatever "tosh" is in your world, it means nothing to most of the rest of us. And simply calling an idea "tosh" does not make it true, it just underlines the fact that you don't *want* it to be true. This has no relevance. No trans person has ever claimed their chromosomes *are* aligned with their gender....."

    Another load of tosh. Go look it up if you can't cope with a bit of slang UK english.

    Aligned with their gender becomes nonsense as soon as you admit the possibility that gender is a social construct. You want to believe it is more than that. I've seen the medical data on sex differentiation of brain structures, and none of it is strong enough to support the idea that there is some innate brain gender, that little internal voice that supposedly says 'you are male'.

    Again, the same inability to discuss the actual issues, or admit the possibility that gender might be just another deeply-rooted lie that society has constructed.

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