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Friday, August 12, 2011

The Trans Community's Dependence on the Male Medical Machine, a Case for Removal from the GL

The Male Medical Machine has a LONG history of maltreating gays and lesbians. Despite homosexuality/lesbianism having been removed from the DSM in 1973, 40+ years later there are still medical programs designed to "cure" gays and lesbians of their/our "disease".

Gay males have had their testicle hooked to electrodes, then electrocuted if they showed interest in sexual images of men shown to them by doktors.

Lesbians have been pressured  (raped) to have sex with males, including the male doktors making the suggestion to "cure" them/us of their/our love of women.

Lesbians who have painful issues with their internal female parts have and are regularly denied hysterectomies by the male medical machine even as out and proud lesbians because as females we're expected like "good women" to have some man's children.

Both gays and lesbians have historically been committed to mental asylums, simply for being gay/lesbian.

Lesbians have been historically committed to asylums even when not acting on their lesbian feelings, but for not partnering/bending to men's will.

Lesbians have been determined to be "witches" through "medical practices" and burned alive for centuries.

Gays and lesbians have historically been injected with various drugs of the day to "cure" them of their homosexuality.

Both gays and lesbians have been painfully, medically experimented on by the male medical machine to both see how we tick and to "fix" us.Gays and lesbians have been legitimized as abnormal by the male medical machine for centuries.

Gays and lesbians committed to mental asylums for our "unnatural" behaviour were routinely given brain damaging electro-convulsive therapy in order STRAIGHTEN us out. 


Thousands of gays and lesbians in the US alone have been ice-pick lobotomized.

While this smattering of horrors at the hands of the male medical machine doesnt even begin to cover the horrors committed (and still being committed) against gays and lesbians, it is enough that a blind man can see the male medical machine has and isnt a friend to gays and lesbians. However the male medical machine is CORE to the trans community!

Not only does the trans person fully and completely rely on the male medical machine for their unnatural trans state, they rely on the male medical machine to maintain their trans status for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES! Gays and lesbians literally risked not only their livelihood, but their very lives to force the male medical machine to remove us from their medical bible, the DSM. The Trans community as a political group fear being removed from the same medical bible because many would prefer to remain being viewed as disordered so that national health care and individual insurance companies will pay for their tens of thousands of dollars worth of unnecessary surgeries and life requirement of drugs.

Even if/when transgenderism is removed from the DSM, the trans community will remain in the pocket of the male medical machine for their very existence. A machine that has historically not been and still isnt a support of gays and lesbians.

Given all this I have to ask, with a group whose entire existence is dependent on the male medical machine, a machine still interested in the destruction of gays and lesbians, is it wise to continue having the trans community attached to the gay and lesbian movement???

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38 comments:

  1. This post is utter foolishness. That is self explanatory.

    Oh and people, note her saying "gay and lesbian" movement. Note how she conveniently leaves out bisexual.

    Now you see that this woman has a hateful twisted agenda against anything she sees fit to sit on her uneducated rear and and rally against behind a computer screen...

    pathetic.

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  2. No one buys this horse shit. And that's all it is: horse shit.

    I can smell your hatred and bitterness from here. What an ugly horrific post. I'm ashamed of you. You are no butch and you are no feminist.

    You shame us all every day. Every day.

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  3. Thank you for verifying you contempt for the gay and lesbian community.

    dirt

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  4. Yeah it's strange. Everytime when people critisize the trans movemt they called haters liars and so on.

    What more hateful is is:

    -When people are forced to see something in transpeople what's not there, only in their gender fantasy.

    -When you can't critizise their actions or be just sceptic about it.

    -When gays and lesbians are called transphobe just because they don't want to sleep with trans people.

    -When regretters are silenced

    -death treats against critics

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  5. "Thank you for verifying you contempt for the gay and lesbian community.

    dirt"

    I hate to burst your fragile narcissistic bubble - but you don't speak for the gay and lesbian community - in fact, you speak only for a small, extremist minority.

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  6. The bullshit continues......
    ....BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!!!

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  7. I agree with the post, but am not keen on anybody getting hysterectomies...
    And LeStat with the Bad Boy tattoo?
    Sick. Total male worship.

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  8. (maybe she's just bad at being a boy because she's a girl?)
    (more proof of the trendy transition with its matching tattoos)

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  9. i see she hasn't been on testosterone long
    let's see how long it takes for her to turn into a gay 'man'...
    how long does it usually take? a couple years?

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  10. LOL, prove it?? I work with the Montrose Counseling Center - in the 4th largest city in the US, as well as with PFLAG and have worked with various other agencies across the US. You are one of a handful of extremist lesbians who are anti-trans. The proof is in the community. You are not speaking for the majority - not even close.

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  11. You are a disgrace dirt. A simpleton at best who is delusional enough to believe for a second that you matter in our community. You are a hateful bigoted old shrew who is shriveling in your own tired bitterness.

    Grow up and wake up.

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  12. Well I see the Male Medical Machine had no problem giving you SSI/SSD for your mental health issues. I have a friend who works for the government and they checked. You did not seem to mind that. And guess what? You will have to rely on them for the rest of your sorry life for income..

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  13. "Lesbians who have painful issues with their internal female parts have and are regularly denied hysterectomies by the male medical machine even as out and proud lesbians because as females we're expected like "good women" to have some man's children."

    Dirt...
    Bitching about this contradicts your bitching about FTM's removing their breasts. So you are saying you should not learn to love your lower half of your body but you should learn to love the upper half of your body?

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  14. Okay, I'm not going to even bother responding to all these other poster's, but I did want to ask why you more often than not leave out bisexuals in your posts?

    I've been an avid reader for quite a while but it just seems like you have a herstory of leaving out the B in LGB

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  15. How can you not expect angry post when you attack 1 in 12000 People.

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  16. 7:02 PM

    That still doesn't prove how the majority or the minority feels about trans issues. It just shows what you have seen. Neither you nor Dirt have witnessed everything that's going on.

    Because from what I have witness I think you are both correct. I see a lot of support for trans people by gays and lesbians but I have also seen that people are actually disapproving of the treatments being done but it is not often said in "public."

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  17. Instead of just brushing aside what Dirt has said, why not focus on addressing the fact that majority of trans people (check the studies) are homosexuals and homosexuals have been put at risk as medical guinea pigs in the past and still are. Why wouldn't people be on board to broaden treatment for GID and broader the restricting gender binary?????

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  18. Not everyone at Montrose Counseling Center disagrees with this post. Just saying ...

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  19. It's not just a small group of "extremist" Lesbians who are looking closer at the transgender question. It's starting to be discussed in certain academic sociological-type settings in Europe anyway. I expect in about 5 years we'll be seeing some critical articles, etc. coming out of Europe.
    But Dirt's is the only open forum I know of where just average people can hash it out.

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  20. Just for the record - I am all for separating the T from the GLB. After much thinking - I would rather not be so closely associated with that portion of the greater community. You worry about your issues, we'll worry about our own. You keep fighting for equality without our votes - that you apparently don't need anyway. Works for me!

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  21. But trans aren't fighting for equality. They want to be Jane or John Doe and "normal." Gays and Lesbians stand up and fight for rights/equality.

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  22. Gays and Lesbians also fight to be different.

    dirt

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  23. dirt, i'm really just interested in the bolded information from that post and i was wondering if you would be willing to cite your info so that i could peruse your references and learn more?

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  24. "And LeStat with the Bad Boy tattoo?
    Sick. Total male worship."

    Not to mention the name. Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles are pretty much the same as yaoi - androgynous pretty-boy romance/porn made by and for women. The fact that so many FtMs love that stuff is telling.

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  25. Syd,

    Search engines and library's are your friend, dont be afraid to utilize them.

    dirt

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  26. That's not a tattoo. It's a picture I made. As far as the name, I have always loved Anne Rice.

    Oh, by the way, I don't worship men! LMAO!

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  27. Putting out your exact date you started testosterone and taking videos of your shots doesn't mean you worship men but maybe testosterone.

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  28. "Putting out your exact date you started testosterone and taking videos of your shots doesn't mean you worship men but maybe testosterone."

    No, it's called documenting you transition! I myself document most of my transition in a journal. I have a few videos but they are photo montages. Nothing big. I have made some videos for my personal use that are not online anywhere. No big deal. I don't worship testosterone at all.

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  29. " Anonymous said...
    @Anon August 12, 2011 7:29 PM



    "Well I see the Male Medical Machine had no problem giving you SSI/SSD for your mental health issues. I have a friend who works for the government and they checked. You did not seem to mind that. And guess what? You will have to rely on them for the rest of your sorry life for income.."


    So dirt taking public information off the net and posting it here is so very wrong and dangerous, but on the other hand illegally accessing someones "PRIVATE" information that is stored in a governmnet database and bragging about it is okay right?(Assuming that this is true of course)

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  30. "Syd,

    Search engines and library's are your friend, dont be afraid to utilize them.

    dirt"

    dirt,

    i was trying to be polite and give you a friendly way to prove your facts without actually saying "cite your information or it is as good as spouting bullshit."
    i understand that i could google everything you said. i am not dumb in any way.

    dear dirt, in any sort of debate or exchange of ideas, citation is necessary to even be considered, and it is very much your friend. i know you fully believe this, but the rest of us do not consider you infallible and therefore do not take your words as gospel. cite them.

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  31. Actually Canadian, thats MISinformation, or rather outright lying. Seems this guy is seriously jealous of the dirtster.

    dirt

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  32. I highly doubt ANYBODY would be jealous of you! Jealous of WHAT?

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  33. And yet here you are, jealous as all get out...lol

    dirt

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  34. You do realise that trans people aren't new, there have been men who live as women and women who live as men throughout history. Many cultures recognise/d these people as their chosen gender and gave them their own place in society. The medicalisation of transness is new, but even if it stopped trans people would still exist.

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  35. "You do realise that trans people aren't new, there have been men who live as women and women who live as men throughout history."

    Except what does 'live as a man' MEAN in this context? What can it mean but -- be mistaken for a man, hence can escape from female gender stereotypes (and be captured by male ones). If we didn't have such gender stereotypes to start with, then the phrase would cease to make any sense. If everyone was just free to be whatever type of human being they wished to be, then 'living as man' would just become the slightly peculiar urge to use washrooms that didn't have the plumbing that exactly fitted your plumbing.

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  36. Ooo, mature, Dirt. That was a genuine question. Do you believe that elective hysterectomies are a result of disphoric attitudes towards healthy women's bodies, or something that people choose for all sorts of reasons? Are you pro-hysterectomy or not?

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  37. If a woman developed cancer and needed to have a hysto for her to survive, then yes, remove the cancerous parts.

    There is never a reason to remove healthy body parts, they are there for a natural reason.

    dirt

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