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Monday, June 6, 2011

Will REAL Tranmen Please Stand up Please Stand up!

I felt this commentor's questions deserved their own post.

I too find it interesting how most transmen over 35 are so quick to dismiss trans trenders as "not really trans". These young women, have had to have been diagnosed with GID by the same male medical machine that past female transitioners have. That the money hungry, narrow minded male medical machine is quicker to transition young women shouldnt invalidate their (trans trenders) trans status to other female transitioners.

I suspect older transmen are so quick to judge trans trenders is because they fear trans trending invalidates their own transness. Maybe seeing too much of themselves in trans trenders which reinforces their own trans mistake.

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  1. naa, ive seen this in many other communities, on and offline, When i was in highschool there was a bi and lesbian trend amongst females, and ofcourse the real bi's and Lesbians didnt like this and called them "fakes" this is nothing new.

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  2. So John you think older transmen are like high school girls, interesting.

    I noticed you didnt answer any of the questions posed in the comment.

    Also, if you believe in a "real" and "not real" transman, dont you think its a tad different to compare them to bisexuals/lesbians? Because at the end of the day, the female trying on bisexuality and lesbianism remains intact, not true of transitioning.

    Critical thinking John, dont be afraid of it.

    dirt

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  3. I am not an older trans an but I do suspect that many of the younger kids may not be really trans. Then again no one really knows if they are besides themselves. Many people might not think I am really trans because of my age. I think it's just the same thinking many older people do. That they know all because they are older than others. Simply because they have more experience. Just like one of Dirt's famous lines goes something like in my 20+ years in the lesbian community I have not seen.... Therefore she is discrediting anything she has not seen. Just like she discredits trans because she felt the same way at one point but she is not trans. It's just the age thing it happens on every community. People discredit people on a regular basis because of age. Once again everyone claiming trans isn't transgender, just like everyone who claims gay, lesbian, or bisexual isn't.
    Sorry for all the ramble I hope I got my point across though

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  4. And yet, the question remains unanswered, what does "really trans" mean?

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  5. "At the same time i dont really understand how trans could be a trend."

    the same way, piercing is a trend. for those kids, it is just getting one bottle of T and one surgeon for the top surgery.

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  6. I don't judge the younger transguys at all. I went through therapy from ages 15-18 until I was diagnosed. I didn't go on T because I didn't know anything about it back then. I went back to therapy at age 33 and was rediagnosed with GID on Dec. 21, 2007. I went on T on July 13, 2009. I did a whole bunch of research on my own over the years but back then we didn't have computers like we do today which is why I think there are so many people coming out of the closet. It's because there's info and trans sites out there.

    I don't particularly like the online Gender therapy myself but I know of a few guys who have done it. I think you need to sit face to face with a therapist and what not.

    I have had young trans guys ask me how I got on T and what you need to say which made me suspect they weren't really trans. I have in no way put them down for it though. I've had a few online young trans guys offer to buy a vial of my T saying that they just want their voices deeper or to get more muscular. I of course told them no and would have told them no even if they were diagnosed. That's a big NO NO!

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  7. @Brandon
    "I don't judge the younger transguys at all. I went through therapy from ages 15-18 until I was diagnosed. I didn't go on T because I didn't know anything about it back then. I went back to therapy at age 33 and was rediagnosed with GID on Dec. 21, 2007. I went on T on July 13, 2009. I did a "

    Yes, Brandon we know, enough already.....you have outlined your history COUNTLESS times. We get it. You don't consider yourself a mere trender but the real deal. You claim you don't judge, yet your constantly flaunt your history like some brand of honour. Could it be to distinguish yourself from those you claim "not to judge"

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  8. I don't judge any young trans guy or think that I'm more trans than anyone else. What do I know about any one else's life? And frankly I don't care how they present themselves physically as long as they are good and decent humans.

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  9. Canadian...

    Yes, Brandon we know, enough already.....you have outlined your history COUNTLESS times. We get it. You don't consider yourself a mere trender but the real deal. You claim you don't judge, yet your constantly flaunt your history like some brand of honour. Could it be to distinguish yourself from those you claim "not to judge"


    This is exactly why you are not going to see transmen standing up. You, Canadian, are nothing short of abusive.

    Most of us know Dirt is baiting us so we are not about to give her that pleasure. No answer would be the right answer with you, Dirt, or her followers.

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  10. Canadian, I'm not flaunting my history. I am just posting it, YES again, to show that I went through years of therapy and saying that I don't agree with the online therapy but yet don't think I am "more trans" than anyone else. I never even said I am the "real deal" as you posted either. My point was to say that I don't judge these younger kids at all. Yes, I think that some are not trans seeing as how I have had younger people ask me if they could buy my T so they could have a deeper voice or whatever. You are not trans if you just want to have a deeper voice. It goes way way further than that. That was one thing I never even really thought of to be honest.
    I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or anything but I find that my past has to do with this post that Dirt posted. I meant no harm or anything like that.
    I'm a very civil laid back person and would never just sit back and start a fight whether online or in real life. Sorry that you are tired of hearing my story but to me it has a lot to do with this post.

    Again, sorry that you have read it before. I didn't mean any harm.
    : )

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  11. Canadian,

    I think Brandon has his story written elsewhere that he copies and pastes from, though it's been awhile since we heard about his Leather Daddy and his "not porno" sex life.

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  12. To the female calling herself "john" whose comments were deleted.

    Practicing misogyny gets you nowhere here.

    dirt

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  13. Brandon I have to agree with Canadian here.

    You seem adamant about separating yourself from those deemed trans trenders, which in itself is a judgment as well as confirmation that you believe there is such a things as a "real" transsexual and your it and they arent.

    dirt

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  14. @Brandon
    "I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or anything but I find that my past has to do with this post that Dirt posted. I meant no harm or anything like that."

    Your past seems to have something to do with every second post....Just some friendly advice, move on, because the constant recitation of your past does not apply to every issue on this blog. I get the impression that you feel your legitimacy as a transman is verified and enhanced by the fact that you were(according to your account) were diagnosed twice as FTM. Your bringing this up at every turn seems to me to be a catchall and a response to everything posted on this blog as if it serves as a proof for every arguemnt.

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  15. @Anon June 6, 2011 8:16 PM
    Hey Dirt can you post this in place of my post at 10:02. This corrects a typo in that post. Much thanks


    "This is exactly why you are not going to see transmen standing up. You, Canadian, are nothing short of abusive."

    It is not abusive to point out a plain fact.

    There are countless posts of Brandon posting as Brandon and as anon reciting the same facts regardless of topic.

    June 6, 2011 10:02 PM

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  16. Dirt and Canadian, I am not separating myself with other trans guys here or anywhere else. If it came out that way I really am not. I see other trans guys and just guys like myself. I am in no way trying to compare myself to them. If that is the way it came out to you then I am sorry about that. I didn't mean for it to come out like that by any means at all.

    I'm not in any way trying to separate myself with anyone else.

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  17. Canadian, I am not the only Brandon that posts on here. Normally I use my name unless I accidentally hit the anon but 99% of the time I post as Brandon. Just to clear things up so to speak.

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  18. "E", I don't copy and paste anything that you are so called saying I copy and post. Yeah I had a Leather Daddy at one time and yes, I have watched some porn in my 39 years here on Earth. I am in no way n any "porn lifestyle". I mean if you are gonna go after me for being in the Leather Lifestyle in my PAST, then go after Master Amazon. She is a top in the Leather Lifestyle. Not that it matters but if you are gonna attack people well then there you go. I USED to be in the Leather Lifestyle 4 years ago and for only 4 years in my life. I am NO LONGER involved in it nor do I want to be involved in it!!!! If that makes me such a bad person then so be it. Then I'm a bad person. If that is the case then you have to put down a WHOLE community of people saying they are BAD. That just happened to be a part of my past that I posted...AND???? I'm NOT afraid to share my past. I think sharing my past is a good thing.

    Hey Dirt, are you not doing anymore workout posts? I miss them!! I'm really looking forward in more of your workout posts. I know it's off topic but I just needed to let you know that I miss those posts.

    Good Night All... : )

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  19. No such thing as a 'real' or 'fake' transman, in the same way you can't be a real or fake lesbian. Trans is simply an identity based on non-identification with your birth sex, or deviation from social gender stereotypes. The latter is more of a grey area though.

    I have a big problem with the term GID. It suggests that because you wear clothes designing for the opposite gender or have more stereotypically feminine/masculine traits you immediately have a diagnosable medical condition.

    I suspect older transmen are quick to judge simply because of the generational split between themselves and the younger communnity. I wouldn't be surprised if many feel disillusioned with how easy it is to begin transition nowadays. No one else invalidates your identity, you can only do that yourself.

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  20. Actually Sean there are real lesbians and straight women who either trying to please men (usually the case) or through confusion from mistreatment by men think having pillow princess sex equals lesbian.

    Real lesbians actually desire other lesbians on every conceivable and inconceivable level.

    dirt

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  21. Brandon I was thinking about that the other day.

    Will make it a point to get workout posts going again, especially as summer is basically here.

    dirt

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  22. Brandon,

    I was simply pointing out that we found out about your "lifestyle" when there was absolutely no reason to. It was not at all relevant to the post you were commenting on, but you felt the need to include that little tidbit. The fact that you went on an extra long rant about it just now, including all the details of your history, just proves what an attention whore you are.

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  23. I was in the lifestyle, but I don't feel the need to harp on about it.

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  24. Brandon,
    I USED to be in the Leather Lifestyle 4 years ago and for only 4 years in my life. I am NO LONGER involved in it nor do I want to be involved in it!!!!

    Good for you!! I see the leather lifestyle as misogyny

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  25. Just want to add to this conversation, that I wish individuals and communities would focus less on what makes them different from one another and spend more time understanding and accepting one another. Ah, the perfect world. I know it isn't likely to happen. I don't really get the whole real vs. not real thing. No one can judge anyone else's worth or know their heart and mind. Who am I to decide who's real and who isn't? If someone tells me they're an alien, I may not be buying it, but I don't need to belittle them and treat them badly, even if I think they're a bit mental.
    I wonder if the transmen who get so pissed in these comments aren't a little self conscious or doubt their own decisions. I don't know. I suspect that may be the case with some people. If you're 100% sure of your decisions and your path, and are happy, I don't see how it gets under your skin so badly.
    Sure I wish there were more trans acceptance, and it's better. I disagree with A LOT of dirt's opinions - however, it is dirt's blog to use as she pleases and if it angers you so badly, then don't come read it. It's one blog. One blog isn't going to change the world. One blog isn't going to affect your life, or harm the trans community. I read it simply to see what others are saying, out of curiosity, and because I do, surprisingly enough, agree with dirt on rare occasions (not usually about trans-related issues, lol)
    I don't let the negativity and the rude comments get to me - my value as a person and my trans status aren't going to be affected by names without faces, people I will likely never meet or have in my life. So I wish the rest of the transmen who read this blog would stop with the reverse hatred, there's no point. And the physical threats dirt has received - well that's just bullshit. I'm ashamed that any other trans person would wish harm on another human being for expressing their opinions on THEIR blog. Even when it's in reaction to something hateful - it's just not ok.
    /soapbox. :)

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  26. Cizz from europeJune 7, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    ". One blog isn't going to affect your life, or harm the trans community"

    Trans people harm their own community for example by faking incidents.

    http://thestrippodcast.blogspot.com/2011/04/what-if-cosmo-transgender-thing-is-hoax.html

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  27. If there is such a thing as a Real Lesbian, I would have thought that she would be attracted to a woman regardless of her sexual orientation. Surely that's what being a lesbian is? A deep appreciation of the female body and female psyche, and what it means to be a woman. Not what it means to be a 'real lesbian'. Possibly I don't have a valid opinion on this, as I've never been part of the lesbian community.

    I just don't understand why you wouldn't say 'Real lesbians actually desire other WOMEN on every conceivable and inconceivable level.' So if a woman isn't a real lesbian, you immediately don't find her attractive anymore?

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  28. Cizz,

    Kind of off topic, as my comment was due to the fact that trans people come on here and bash dirt for expressing her opinion in her own blog.
    However, I don't think isolated incidents like this person's are going to harm the trans community either. She's obviously doing this for attention, no one will ever take her seriously again. It's a bad case of crying wolf. She better hope nothing real ever happens to her, because I doubt she'd ever be taken seriously now. She's clearly a sad, troubled individual and most intelligent people would realize she doesn't speak for the entire trans community anyway.

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  29. She's obviously doing this for attention, no one will ever take her seriously again. It's a bad case of crying wolf. She better hope nothing real ever happens to her, because I doubt she'd ever be taken seriously now. She's clearly a sad, troubled individual and most intelligent people would realize she doesn't speak for the entire trans community anyway.

    June 7, 2011 1:33 PM

    she does not speak for the entire LGBT community either. She is the exception rather than the rule.

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  30. "I read of a man who stood to speak
    at the funeral of a friend
    He referred to the dates on her tombstone from the beginning...to the end.

    He noted that first came the date of her birth and spoke of the following date with tears, but he said what mattered most of all
    was the dash between those years.

    For that dash represents all the time that she spent alive on earth.
    and now only those who loved her
    know what that little line is worth.

    For it matters not how much we own;
    the cars... the house... the cash...what matters is how we live and love and how we spend our dash.

    So, think about this long and hard.
    are there things you'd like to change?for you never know how much time is left,that can still be rearranged.

    If we could just slow down enough
    to consider what's true and real
    and always try to understand
    the way other people fell.

    And be less quick to anger,
    and show appreciation more
    and love te people in our lives
    like we've never loved before.

    If we treat each other with respect, and more often wear a smile Remembering that this special dash might only last a little while.

    So, when your eulogy is being read
    with your life's actions to rehash
    would you be proud of the things they say about how you spent your dash?"

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  31. Cizz from europeJune 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM

    "I don't think isolated incidents like this person's are going to harm the trans community either"

    Oh there are many more things. This one was just an example.

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  32. Cizz, stop being so hateful and immature.

    Karma will certainly make you its victim for that, and I hope and pray you are prepared to deal with that.

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  33. Cizz is not being hateful or immature in the least.

    Why is it hateful or immature to point out an issue? If trans people continue to play the victim card, they are much less likely to convince the rest of us that they are to be taken seriously.

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  34. Cizz from europeJune 7, 2011 at 9:10 PM

    "Cizz, stop being so hateful and immature."

    You don't scare me by playing the victim card. You are not a special snowflake. Take critique and stop whining.

    "You should know that it is completely idiotic to assume something about an entire group based upon a single or otherwise event"

    So? Why didn't you people speak out against those fakes and other things? For example: Were was your protest as this "woman" was set free for being transsexual although he possesed child pornography? It seems that you guys are protecting every sort of criminal as long as the person is transsexual!!
    The only thing you guys do is screaming and whining about every incident which involves a transgender (true or not) like a bizarre cult.

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  35. We've lost our women's spaces to the political correctness that bows to the will of the "minority," namely the transgendered. You don't know me, but I do know that we, as female born/female ID'd, are the ones being oppressed, we're the ones being silenced. You have law makers and PR people falling over themselves to get in your good graces, at our expense.

    Let the man in a dress come into our bathrooms, and let the man go into woman's bars and social groups because "he" was once a woman too. Don't know why he'd want to go to those women's spaces if he now ID's as a man, but lets not question "him."

    We have to bend over and take it, be all inclusive without question. Doing otherwise would make us "hateful and immature."

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  36. I agree with you Cizz

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  37. " It seems that you guys are protecting every sort of criminal as long as the person is transsexual!!"

    Complete bullshit. I am transsexual, and if another trans person commits a crime, I don't give two shits that he or she is trans. Punish them for their crime. When a woman I knew online was murdered by her FTM husband, I fully supported the prosecution, and I think he deserves to be right where he is. I don't think he deserves any sympathy or special treatment. Pretty ignorant to assume that trans people ban together to protect criminals who are trans.

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  38. another person here who agrees with cizz and E.

    funny how they only expect women to be the ones bending over backwards to their every whim.

    why? maybe because you wish to become like the men that made you hate your own feminity? because you were sick of being a powerless female in this world?

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  39. Inquring Minds Want To KnowJune 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OElvvjrQYLM&feature=channel_video_title

    People are starting to notice this "Trans fad" - All the REAL Transmen stand up

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  40. they ALL think they're REAL

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  41. while the maker if that linked video is very funny i don't see how she's any more 'trans' than the kids she's pointing out

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  42. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpMNqL6_tZA&feature=channel_video_title

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  43. re: 4:21,

    yes they ALL think they're the REAL DEAL

    of course they can't see what they've been swept up in.

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