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Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Transgenderism vs Homosexuality

Since it seems yesterday's post turned into a Trans vs Homo debate, I'm creating this space for that discussion. Not that one has anything to do with the other, but the trans mind, when desperate, will grasp at anything so they do not to have to face the reality of their disorder.

While once upon a time Homosexuality was deemed a mental disorder and listed in the DSM as such, it clearly was only deemed "sick" and considered "abnormal" because it deviated from compulsory heterosexuality. Other than falling in love with and desiring the same sex, there is little difference between homo's and hets, which was why Homosexuality was removed from the DSM. 

Transgenderism on the other hand deals with a pathological self hatred of the body and life that that body is slated by society to represent. It requires being on drugs for the rest of ones life, usually accompanied by some sort of surgery, sometimes many surgeries. In most trans females, sexual problems are also present, often times even after the never ending process of transition begins.

Homosexuals came together and worked hard to have Homosexuality removed from the DSM. There has been no cohesive focused movement by trans people to have the trans disorder removed from the DSM. In fact many transgendered prefer to keep their condition on the DSM so they can use tax payer dollars in countries with national health care to pay for their life long gender maintenance or in places where private health insurance covers GID.

So other than Homosexuality once being on the DSM which also houses GID (the criteria needed to become trans), there are no similarities between Homosexuality and Transgenderism.

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  1. Let's start with this given-- I am butch.

    At times I categorize "butch" as a sub-gender of "woman". If we add in my attraction to other women, that makes me a homosexual.

    Of course, at times I feel so different from how society defines "woman", that I instead perceive "butch" as its own gender, autonomous from "woman". This would, naturally, make me transgender (etym. Latin "across from their kind").

    My main issue with the DSM-IV's definition of Gender Identification Disorder (and psychiatrists' usage of that def.) is the assumption that everyone who is transgender wishes to be transexual. I believe that stems from the DSM-IV's recognition of only two genders.

    As I like to say, "On a cloudy day, how can we tell where one cloud begins and another ends... or was it all just one cloud to begin with?" Transgenderism and homosexuality aren't nearly as exclusive as you try to present them.

    In any case, let's see what changes are brought about in the DSM-V. Only two more years.

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  2. FB,

    You can "categorize" Butch as twink like many ftMs do, that doesnt make it so.

    And it is quite simple to tell where a Butch begins and ends compared to that of a female transitioner, even if the female transitioner began as Butch.

    Butch femininity is natural, it doesnt require drugs or body mutilation of any kind, while being in the perpetual trans state requires at the very least, drugs. Otherwise the female is just another self hating female that is a product of our female hating society.

    dirt

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  3. Who are you to define butch? I'd recommend that you go read of Plato's Socratic Dialogues. You may define butch as a subset of "woman"... a type of woman, but not everyone will, and you should recognize that for some, that word takes on the meaning of a separate gender. Not a separate sex (this has nothing to do with sex or the desire to change one's femaleness) but a separate gender.

    "And it is quite simple to tell where a Butch begins and ends compared to that of a female transitioner, even if the female transitioner began as Butch." I completely agree with that statement. :-) However, here you are making the same gross generalization that the APA makes re:transgenderism. "Transition" in most gender studies' contexts is a reference to Transsexualism, NOT Transgenderism. There is an important difference between the two, and not just a pragmatic one. Someone who is Transgender (not using the DSM's definition, but the broader root definition) does not inherently desire a transition of sex. Think of (mostly past) cultures where a third gender was not unheard of.

    The Wikipedia community has maintained a great article on the concept of a third gender. Who are you to say that I can't at times define "Butch" as a modern Third gender in western cultures?

    (BTW, I'm glad for what you do. These conversations need to be had. We need more of this.)

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  4. I didnt define Butch, my elders did that over 60 years ago, I merely maintain the definition, especially when postmodern queer theorist and their followers try to drain every drop of meaning from Butch.

    Third gender is only for those to afraid or ashamed of expanding the narrow notions of female and male. I have no such fears.

    dirt

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  5. so would anybody who doesn't strictly adhere to gender norms be considered 'transgendered' these days?

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  6. Dirt....

    EVERYTHING you write on this blog EMBODIES the "narrow notions of male and female".

    You are the textbook incarnation of a living, eating, and shitting stereotype.

    How can you possibly say that your harsh, despicable, self-made definitions of transgender/transsexual are even close to being unbiased and reliable?

    Where did you go to school again?....

    (PLEASE don't answer with anything like "I don't need an education to see...")

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  7. @Anonymous June 22, 2011 2:39 PM
    As with anything else, it depends who you ask.

    @Dirt "Third gender is only for those to afraid or ashamed of expanding the narrow notions of female and male. I have no such fears." I'm glad you have no such fears. Neither does anyone who sees Third genders, because by definition Third genders expand the narrow, Abrahamic notions of female and male. If anything you have strict definitions of female and male, because you require all females to be women an all males to be men. Moreover, you seemed to imply that Third gender is a new concept. Let me assure you that it is not.

    But you've gotten me very curious...
    How do you deal with someone who is physically intersex, and was socialized as a girl female, but who is masculine identified?

    Do you say "Oh well, that was just the error of childhood doctors and society, they're really a man, since they're masculine identified."

    Or, do you say, "This person grew up under the assumption that they were female, and was socialized a girl/woman from birth, therefore they MUST BE a woman. Expand your sense of womanhood; she's a butch woman."

    Or, will you open up enough to say, “Huh. Perhaps, by only recognizing two genders, we're cheating many people out of their true identities. Perhaps this person is Butch. Not a butch Woman. Not a Man. Just Butch. As much as we may expand current gender notions, those expansions still render gender definitions too narrow for certain people.”

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  8. the problem is that children are raised so explicitly male or as a female- whence the dysphoria
    i was 2:39, and i'm asking the people here

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  9. Anon@2:45pm, you might wanna read back a few post on trusting all you've been spoon fed by authority figures.

    Education has little to do with degrees and everything to do with knowledge, of which with regards to the subjects I write about I am fully knowledgeable.

    Hence the reason you're here whining. Were I the uneducated idiot you'd like others to think, you wouldnt feel the need to occupy and comment on this blog. Basic psychology Watson, nothing that requires a degree.

    dirt

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  10. Well FB, you go and get yourself a DNA test and post the results for us here. I bet my bottom dollar it comes back as female gendered.

    One has to wonder why it is you dont embrace your femaleness, but would rather adopt a crackpot view to live by instead.

    I suspect serious internalized misogyny.

    dirt

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  11. You can't determine if someone's intersex solely from their chromosomes (not to mention solely from the sex chromosomes as many people seem to think). What's more, it's not an uncommon thing. Using the broadest definition (there's a truckload of controversy over defining intersex), about 1 in 100 people is intersex.

    Again, I DO embrace my femaleness. I'm not FtM. I don't desire a sex-change. I don't desire testosterone injections. I'm not a misogynist. (If anything, at times I suspect that I'm a misadrist.)

    And I noticed that you transferred the conversation back to me, instead of answering my question. How do you deal with that situation?

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  12. Dirt, the TREATMENT required for the trans disorder is conspicuously absent from the "homo condition." You have highlighted this critical distinction--thank you! While many homosexuals may feel depressed and seek therapeutic counseling (usually on a temporary basis notwithstanding an Axis I diagnosis), we do not need homo-related SURGERY or MEDICATION to "correct" our condition.

    Like most trans rhetoric, this makes no sense: HOW WILL TRANS GET MEDICAL TREATMENT IF GID IS REMOVED FROM THE DSM?? The surgery and the hormones have to be "medically necessary"! There has to be a diagnosis! But since "trans" is a SELF-reporting condition (like depression), it HAS to be a psychiatric condition. There is NO objective physical basis or proof for "gender." Trans make no fucking sense. It's ridiculous.

    Another important difference between trans and homos is that homos don't REQUIRE everyone ELSE to change THEIR behavior in regard to terminology used, or accommodations offered. Oh, OK, except *maybe* using the word "partner" to describe your lover. But that's EASY, and it's not like homos get mad if you accidentally call their "partner" a wife. GAWD. Trans are TYRANTS about "call me this, no call me that, that's not my NAME anymore, I'm going to cry, you're an ASSHOLE"!!

    I won't even get into men-infiltrating-the women's-bathroom-harm. See my blog. END.

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  13. Undercoverpunk.

    There is no need to be as rude as you were. You have just discredited your entire argument because you made it apparent that you have a deep seeded hatred against trans individuals.

    You stated that it is a "disorder" and a "psychiatric condition"? Correct? Yes, correct.

    If you feel that it is a disorder..why are you using such harmful terminology towards the 'sufferers'? I mean to say that if you truly feel (as you did state) that being trans is in all entirety a disorder or a condition, why are you being so hateful?

    You went on to call the "condition" of trans ridiculous, and the "sufferers of the disorder" crybaby tyrants.

    And I'd imagine that "trans makes no F-ing sense" to you because you are without a medical degree and probably without the most basic form of research.

    Your comment was hateful, ablest, bigoted, and unnecessary.

    I say that solely on the basis that YOU have provided:

    that it is a "psychiatric condition/disorder".

    Why are you not trying to help the situation instead of hatefully gawking at it?

    I don't think you have an answer to this because you already have a discriminatory agenda.

    Thank you for making this completely apparent.

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  14. UP is angry and has every right to be.

    Queer/trans has literally ruined the gay and lesbian movement, they have co-opted gay and lesbian language, language that they then completely drain all meaning from, they continue to disrespect and over-run lesbian spaces, they colonize gay and lesbian historical figures, not to mention the Stonewall Rebellion, they colonize and co-opt gays and lesbians who have been murdered for thor their "trans remembrance day", they have revised gay and lesbian history and the list goes on and on and on...

    That more lesbians arent as pissed of as UP is what you should be questioning Anon, not that she is.

    dirt

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  15. FB, like clockwork whenever queers do not have a leg to stand on they immediately use the Intersexed. We're not talking about intersexed clearly, if in doubt, read the post all over again, then read both our comments all over again. We're discussing why you are ashamed of being a female.

    dirt

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  16. Queer/trans has literally ruined the gay and lesbian movement,

    ...Dirt you need to get out from behind that computer and out of the house more. This is totally not true.

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  17. Cizz from europeJune 22, 2011 at 4:42 PM

    "you made it apparent that you have a deep seeded hatred against trans individuals."

    Yeah and trans individuals have a deep seeded hatred against critique and people who critizise them. How dare others to question their special snowflake status? There are enough examples were these individuals transformed to a raging mob because of critique. Hypocrites!

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  18. I was really enjoying this, because I thought it was an honest conversation among classical intellectuals... but I was apparently mistaken, and from my perspective this convo is headed nowhere.

    Do you understand the difference between gender and sex? I have already told you that I embrace my femaleness. I enjoy having a vulva. I like having my clitoris stimulated during sex. (To further make my point, I don't even like the idea of strap-ons.) I like having breasts. I may not like the size of my breasts, but that has more to do with backaches than with feeling uncomfortable in my body. Even large breasted femmes, might like to be a size or two smaller. But that's beside the point.

    We're not discussing shame over being a female, rather the intersection of transgenderism and homosexuality at the point of third, or other minor, genders.

    "like clockwork whenever queers do not have a leg to stand on they immediately use the Intersexed." First, I like how you assume that I'm not intersex. Second, that technique, used to analyze sex, gender, and sexual orientation, goes back to when these subjects were first being discussed from a scientific perspective. Back when no one was called gay, heterosexual, lesbian, transgender... back when we were all just "introverts".

    It's a tactic taken from philosophy. In order to define and study the essence of "chair", we take a look at "stool" and "bench" and "ottoman". In order to examine the norm/mainstream, we must examine that which falls out of the norm. It's one reason for why Darwin spent so much time categorizing mollusks... because by identifying mollusks that didn't fit into any neat category, he could better understand those categories and how they came about.

    By studying the 1% of the gen. pop. that is intersex, we can better understand the 99% that is not.

    "...a crackpot view to live by..."
    No one is born with a gender. A 3 day old male doesn't suck from his mother's teat and differently than a 3 day old female. Others are accusing you of being transphobic, but I see you as more of ethnocentric individual. You keep on shrugging off the fact that minor genders have existed in many non-Abrahamic cultures for a long, long time. It's as if those cultures' view of gender is beneath your Western understanding of two genders tied to two sexes.

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  19. The notion of 'minor genders' seems silly to me. If it's just natural variation why does it need to be named or pathologized? Everything is diagnosed to the extreme these days.

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  20. @Anon4:59 I agree that the notion of minor genders seems silly, but only in the light of a gender spectrum. If we can acknowledge a free flowing gender spectrum, then the idea of gender categorization seems absurd. ... and yet on the other side of that token, we categorize colors, despite acknowledging that colors belong to a spectrum. *shrug*

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  21. People... it's simple.

    1) dirt perpetuates a rigid gender binary, and is not intellectually aware enough to even CONSIDER a gender spectrum.

    2) dirt hates men - all men are shit, therefore, transmen embody the enemy and dirt is obsessed with the witch hunt.

    3) regardless of a woman's behavior (i.e. much of this blog) - don't call them out on it or you're a misogynist.

    dirt is a stereotypical man hating dyke, period.

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  22. If you can't imagine how anyone could be like me, is that my failure of being - or your failure of comprehension?

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  23. I was really enjoying this, because I thought it was an honest conversation among classical intellectuals...

    Welcome to Dirts World Fortunately the bulk of the Lesbian Community is not like her.. Guess it takes all kinds..

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  24. "Third genders, because by definition Third genders expand the narrow, Abrahamic notions of female and male."

    "Abrahamic"? Female and male aren't religious concepts, they're reproductive sexes, FFS.

    Oh, and I'm quite familiar with the "third gender" roles that exist in many societies and I think that pretty fascinating. But they're still rooted in sexism, even if they give more wiggle room for gender non-conformists than the binary system.

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  25. People... it's simple.

    1) dirt perpetuates a rigid gender binary, and is not intellectually aware enough to even CONSIDER a gender spectrum.

    I agree with this

    2) dirt hates men - all men are shit, therefore, transmen embody the enemy and dirt is obsessed with the witch hunt.
    I don't agree with this but do agree she is on a witchhunt regarding FTM's -- She does have exceptions regarding certain men.

    3) regardless of a woman's behavior (i.e. much of this blog) - don't call them out on it or you're a misogynist.
    I totally agree with this.. If you don't agree you are a misogynist in Dirts eyes

    dirt is a stereotypical man hating dyke, period.
    I don't agree with this.. I do not believe most butch lesbians or dykes are man haters

    I am FTM and believe we need to stop being hateful as well. Your post just put people who are different into a slot. If we do not want to be judged then we need to clean up our own porch before judging Dirt by proxy of her being a butch lesbian. Most butch lesbians are not hate filled and black and white in their thinking as Dirt is.. You are proving her right when you use the same stance as Gallus and a couple of the others. I have many butch lesbian friends and I would not trade them for the world. They are not stereotypical

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  26. "Abrahamic"? Female and male aren't religious concepts, they're reproductive sexes, FFS.

    "Abrahamic" isn't just used to describe religious concepts, but all cultural concepts which have been influenced by that family of religions.

    The idea of rigid reproductive sexes, is a construct of society*, although less so than the ideas over their roles and performances (i.e. gender). You should check out Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex, by Alice Dreger, if you haven't already.

    *In nature there's no such thing as two perfectly distinguishable sexes, in any species.

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  27. Anon 5:47 - I am not FTM, fyi. I am a lesbian, and I didn't say all lesbians are man haters - what I'm saying is, that's an old stereotype that DOES exist, because of people like dirt. She's an embarrassment to the lesbian community.

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  28. *In nature there's no such thing as two perfectly distinguishable sexes, in any species.

    I'm not totally sure how far I agree with this but I do somewhat I suppose; assuming this is true why would one species feel the need to correct this variation through medical and surgical treatment meant to create the appearance of a version of the sex they are not?
    Human insecurity I think.
    Not something that should be encouraged or celebrated but eliminated, no? (The insecurity I mean)

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  29. "2) dirt hates men - all men are shit, therefore, transmen embody the enemy and dirt is obsessed with the witch hunt."

    I find it strangely ironic how so many people think that Dirt is critical of transmen because she "hates men" (something I've never gotten the impression of from her blog), considering that she's made it 100% clear that doens't consider transmen to be men.

    Reminds me of how relgious fundamentists seem to think that deep down, everyone just knows that their religion is correct, and that they just say that they don't believe in God/Jesus/Muhammed/whatever to be mean.

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  30. "The idea of rigid reproductive sexes, is a construct of society*, although less so than the ideas over their roles and performances (i.e. gender)."

    Reproductive sexes are not a construct. There are two gametes needed to for reproduction in humans (and most other multicellular organisms) and two bodily phenotypes associated with them. Yes, a tiny fraction of the population is intersex, but that doesn't mean that humans aren't a two-sexed species. That's like saying that humans aren't bipedal because some people are born with missing legs.

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  31. @Raygunslinger

    I'm usually very careful about how I phrase myself, and what I'm willing to say.

    If you look back you'll note that I said, "The idea of rigid reproductive sexes, is a construct of society*, although less so than the ideas over their roles and performances (i.e. gender). You should check out Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex, by Alice Dreger, if you haven't already.

    *In nature there's no such thing as two perfectly distinguishable sexes, in any species."

    If you look at my language, you'll note that what I said wasn't in contradiction with your last comment.

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  32. FB, Butches are bio women, if you are biologically not a female, I suggest you stop co-opting established lesbian language.

    dirt

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  33. So, your answer to my previous question is basically, "Oh, well. It doesn't matter if they're masculine identified. They're not technically men or women, because they're not technically male or female. Butch is a lesbian/woman/female term, so they're not entitled to use it. Marginalize them; end of story."

    Anyways, thanks for giving me an answer, and for not deleting any of my posts. :D I like people that support internet dialogue. Have a good rest of the week.

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  34. Dirt is hating this, Dirt is hating that and yet the mayority of insults on this blog are written by the trans community.
    Hypocrisy at it's best.


    "dirt hates men - all men are shit, therefore, transmen embody the enemy and dirt is obsessed with the witch hunt."

    Here we go again. Another person who didn't read the blog. How hard is it to use the search option? Type in "men" and you can read about her attitude toward men. The only one who is on a witch hunt is YOU.

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  35. Dirt is hardly trying to insinuate a strict gender binary! She sounds to me to be demonstrating the exact opposite. The idea behind majority of gender discomfort comes from the notion of crossing (trans) into territory that is not ideal for your gender as gender is a total social construct with rules and regulations that society feels should not be broken. That's why majority of us who have felt out of place as females have what some would call "masculine" traits/behaviors. These traits are not "masculine" as we have these traits but that is what we are being told over and over again since we were small! In part transsexuality deems these traits/behaviors to support the idea that these traits are indeed apart of "masculinity/what is male." or "not feminine" If anything she is closer to insinuating a strict sex binary of which she uses science to back up (ei transsexuals cannot change your sex).

    I have seen the intersex argument plenty of times. It is typically used quite broad. Depending on the condition some intersex issues are tied to a sex (as controversial as that is.) One thing that though is that Body Identity Disorder is never brought up half as much as intersex is. Until science furthers along we cannot be so sure if we are dealing with an intersex issue or a variation of BDs. (The famous white matter study is not thorough enough.)

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  36. (To add to my last post) I think we would all benefit from removal of ideas of what makes "masculine" and "feminine" behavior patterns (as society sees them) for men and women then we won't need to have a gazillion variations of gender. (third gender, pangender, bigender, nogender, genderqueer, neutrois, othergender, etc.)

    I am sure plenty of us (whatever side you are on) would've had easier childhoods and felt more comfortable with the concept of who we are because we would not be "automatic outsiders" due to silly gender associations our society has made up.

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  37. You might find this interesting, Dirt.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/alice_dreger_is_anatomy_destiny.html

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  38. I remember when Dreger posted these, quite interesting:

    http://www.alicedreger.com/in_fear.html

    http://www.bioethics.northwestern.edu/faculty/work/dreger/controversy_tmwwbq.pdf

    dirt

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  39. Dreger's TEDs video addresses issues that the intersex face. She didn't say anything in support of or against trans people in her video. She addressed that biology isn't simple. This is true. What doctors do to the intersex is categorize them by what they more so fit into on a spectrum of biology.

    She said that we do not know everything. I totally agree with her. But again transgender is about gender. Gender is a social construct! Gender tells us that said actions belong to said gender which in turns means said SEX! Trans bodies and intersex bodies are not the same. We still aren't sure if we are dealing with a spectrum of intersex or a spectrum of BDs in regards to trans people. But as FB said about a male child vs. a boy child and breast feeding (which I agree with) we can go even further to say that no child is born hating their bodies it is until we see that we are different from others and that these differences are said to be negative that we hate what we have. It's no surprise that many of us with gender issues growing up weren't hit hard with body issues until puberty! Think about it. Think about kids with GID in turn typically are homosexuals. Think about the fact that children with GID are usually male! Where is the "positive" outlet for "effeminate" males? There isn't one at all. There's hardly a space for "masculine" females aka the tomboy even.

    So once again is it really sex that is the issue or is it the confines of gender? I don't know the exact answer. But as sticky as sex can be due to intersex issues...Gender is even WORSE...because it can change just by how we socialize!

    Plus if we want to address that what doctors do with intersex children is wrong, then we also need to say that what doctors do in doping up people and giving drugs out like candy is wrong, and we also need to address that GID's definition is awkward and that the treatment should be varied (there's a lack of options.)

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  40. I posted that video not because Dreger addressed transsexualism directly (she didn't), but because she suggests that biological sex is not nearly as cut and dried as many, including Dirt, claim it is. It seems that biological sex is uncoupled from x and y chromosomes, and even from physical body structure. That's why arguments about intersex people are relevant to the trans debate. Dirt, and others, repeatedly insist that a transman is always a "female." But there's no medical or scientific way of determining, beyond doubt, who is a "female." Thus, biological sex is almost as "fuzzy" as gender.

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  41. granted that male and female aren't 'black and white'- why force oneself into the other gender in order to try to make it more so? why not enjoy being naturally blurred? because of society's perceptions mostly, and nowadays plenty of peer pressure, being part of a 'movement'

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  42. Works like clockwork. Directly engage one faulty trans trope, shine the light right on it and what happens? They immediately switch to another trope, in this case the intersex/disorders of sexual development trope. Classic!
    Kids, having a disorder of the reproductive system doesn't mean healthy reproductive systems (sex) doesn't exist. People born blind don't indicate that sightedness doesn't exist.
    Why be so ashamed to admit that you just want to be treated the way the other sex is treated?

    Now let's get back to hearing you tell us how voluntary lifetime medical disability is "just like" homosexuality.

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  43. GallusMag:

    People being born blind does not indicate that sightedness does not exist. It DOES, however, indicate that sightedness is not essential to, or an intrinsic part of, being a human being.

    Similarly, having a particular "atypical" biological set of circumstances (chromosome, genitals, gonads, whatever) does not indicate that there isn't a "typical" biological set of circumstances. It does, however, indicate that there is not a biologically determined way to determine a person's sex. Thus, biological sex is a fuzzy concept.

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  44. And I willingly admit, I LOVE the fuzziness!

    dirt

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  45. Are you being facetious, Dirt? How can you both "love the fuzziness" and argue categorically that all transmen are "females?" If sex is fuzzy, then there is no such thing as a "real female."

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  46. As my g/f was just reading, I was talking about her pussy. Clear things up for ya?

    dirt

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  47. Congratulations on being creepy and provocative, instead of actually responding to anything, Dirt. If a transman responded to an argument by talking about his girlfriend's hairy pussy, you'd call for a lynching.

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  48. Actually I'd be shocked that they were still a lesbian.

    dirt

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  49. I wasn't going to respond to this again, but when I saw the follow comments in my inbox, I felt obliged to do so:

    @GallusMag Since I was the first to mention dilemma of sex determination in this blog... let me be clear as to why I did so. I did it in order to see if I could get Dirt (and others who agree with her) to acknowledge that homosexuality and transgenderism aren't without overlap. I used the scenario of an intersex woman (a woman because she was socialized a woman), who is strongly masculine identified. If we exclude the DSM-IV (TR)'s section C of the Diagnostic Criteria for Gender Identity Disorder, as some have suggested should be done with the DSM-5, then we can see that sexual orientation and gender identification aren't unrelated to each other.

    @Dirt Lol. I applaud your sense of humor (@5:18pm). :) I happen to agree with you on a lot (i.e. the prevalence of butch shame, femme shame), just not with your position that there's no such thing as transgender person.

    @HisOtherEar I didn't interpret Dirt's comment as facetious. I just thought she might have been trying to lighten up a serious conversation with some lesbian-related humor. And a comment later, she confirmed this. It wasn't creepy; learn to take a (sex) joke.

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  50. fa·ce·tious/fəˈsēSHəs/

    Adjective: Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.

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  51. FB,

    I have never said there was no such thing as a trans person, once the MMM introduces unnecessary drugs to treat GID, that person becomes trans.

    dirt

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  52. My hrt doctor is a female.

    So much for that "male medical machine".

    And fyi, hrt exists because there is a DEMAND for it, It didn't just appear for a sole reason of being a male conspiracy against 'butch' women. The thought of that is completely absurd.

    No one is that important to even waste that much time and energy on, so please do not flatter yourself and your hateful representation of the lesbian butch community.


    You are not so important that your opinionated and dogmatic rhetoric will go any further than this blog. To have your blog known on a (uncomfortably large) scale as a hate blog, should tell you something, Dirt. This blog is not known as revolutionary. It is not known as a peaceful love-spreading, supportive blog. It is not known as humanitarianism. It is known as a HATE blog. Your blog is notorious for its bigotry, hatred, and an ugly, diseased spot on the face of the LGBT community.

    Things aren't deemed hateful for no reason, Dirt. As an African American who has experienced many different levels of discrimination, I can tell you that. Hate is hate. Intolerance is intolerance. Opinions, unwelcome/unwarranted critiques, and PEOPLE are deemed hateful for one sole reason: because they are hateful. Because they hurt people. Because they cause damage. Because they insight lynch mobs against certain communities of people.

    Trans people don't want to hurt you. We want to see EVERYONE have rights and live peacefully amongst their FELLOW human beings.

    ...but its so sad, Dirt. Because, you are apart of the dehumanization process of discrimination. And you don't even see it.

    ...you just don't see it.

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  53. Anon,

    Why would you think your "female" doctor would be exempt from being a product of the MMM?

    dirt

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  54. Jesus..Dirt. Is that truly ALL that you took out of everything that I just said?

    Is that all that you see?

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  55. Please answer the question.

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  56. @3:37 PM


    Now I see what you are saying. But once we are dealing with FTMs who are not actually born females in the first place it becomes a intersex issue and not a transsexual issue. As FTM implies a Female To Male transsexuals only. It doesn't imply someone born intersex. As I said trans bodies and intersex bodies are different. But as I said before I agree we are in fuzzy territory until further notice.

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  57. Nothing fuzzy at all about females hating their bodies to the point of drugging and mutilating them and that of the intersexed leaning more towards one sex and choose to function (to their best) as that sex.

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  58. Minorities face discrimination based on race and many of us fall into a deep hole that make us feel so "othered" that some of us cannot stand to look in the mirror.

    Women face discrimination based on sex/gender stereotypes and many of us fall into a deep hole that makes us feel so "othered" that some of us cannot stand to look in the mirror.

    I lack to see much difference these days. I still leave room for the fuzziness of what is trans (BD or intersex?) but I can't ignore the fact that there are similarities in which we all face bullshit and we all make choices in life based on sadly bullshit to make us feel more comfortable with ourselves because people refuse to accept us as we are. We are not appreciated when we blur lines that's for sure. I say that for both sides.

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  59. Visibility takes courage, conformity cowardice. Not everyone is in a position to be courageous, but most are in a position to support (in some small way) the courageous until change is made.

    The scary thing with the queer/trans groups is they attack the courageous in favour of mass conformity.

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