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Monday, May 30, 2011

You're a Lesbian? Just Transition Already!

From an ftM forum:
As transition becomes more and more popular through Hollywood films, television shows and copious amounts of documentaries supporting/enabling transition, responses like the above from both the general public and trans people are fast becoming the norm towards gays and lesbians.

The homophobic male medical machine created transition with the belief it could eradicate homosexuality by heterosexualizing gays and lesbians through transition, little has changed since then. Only now instead of those ignorant notions being confined to the medical realm, they have become the dangerous beliefs of the general public.

We still very much live in a highly homophobic country, with transition's popularity and purported "success" by trans people drowning out gay and lesbian voices daily. One has to wonder, is it merely a matter of time before Iran's policies against gays and lesbians become ours?


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  1. Wow, what shows are you watching? I haven't seen a single transman on any show I watch let alone someone telling a young butch to transition. I mean, REALLY???? You must be watching some stuff that no one else watches. I watch all kinds of stuff on so many channels and have yet to see what you posted in this blog on any one of those shows.

    What are you gonna critique next? You just did blog on how black women want to bleach their skin in which you have no idea how a black woman feels, had no right to even speak for the black community and all...I mean, what next?

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  2. This is a great illustration of the incredible homophobia inherent in transgender, particularly in the recent push by transactivists to sterilize, castrate and inflict permanent disability and lifetime drug dependence on children as young as ten years old. Children who don't conform to sex-roles and need to be "corrected" by any means necessary. Children that we know would overwhelmingly grow up as gay, if left alone.
    Why do patriarchal power structures (medical boards, government) go along with this human rights abuse of dependent children? Because upholding sex-roles is needed to uphold male supremacy. Same reason for Iran's policy, and same reason that poor girl's father made such a homophobic woman-hating comment to his female child.

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  3. All I saw from that quote was some ignorant guy saying that (either simply because the woman was a lesbian or because she appeared to be "masculine") that she should have "the surgery", henceforth changing herself into a man....

    None of what you responded to this out of context quote made any sense. It was just an ignorant comment. Period.

    Your assessment is ludicrous and deeply over-assessed.

    *And for the record...if the lesbian woman was in any way apart of the murder a 12 year old girl... I don't care what anyone says about her. I hope they put that monster on death row twice. To hell with her.

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  4. It's also the same reason that the media loves the story of females who don't want to be "girly" -especially lesbians- being "trans". There are tons of women and girls who are butch, including straight girls who don't do femininity. Where are they in the media? Nowhere.
    Instead we have a bunch of females turning trans- BoysDon'tCry, L Word, Degrassi, etc.

    How many butch female characters? None.

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  5. Actually, butches who embrace and support transmen are far less suspect in regards to having gender confusion. I know a bunch. They understand that transmen are different from them. Obviously, people who are secure in their own identities can't be destabilized by someone else's identity. Basically, you have shitty personal boundaries. So your whole blog is like a desperate cry for attention. If you are *actually* receiving any pressure to transition, you can blame yourself for raising all the red flags that indicate lack of self-acceptance.

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  6. Gays and Lesbians do not CAUSE homophobia by their "insecurity" or by any other means.

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  7. Yeah, I do think "some" lesbians who are insecure with themselves do cause a phobia and it's called transphobia. They are insecure withing themselves to live and let live so therefore they have to attack a whole community of people to make themselves look good. Guess what though, they are not good. They are trash in the LGBT community. I know plenty of butch lesbians as well as feminine lesbians who hate people who slam the Trans community. It's absolutely disgusting that there is that kind of trash in this community and yet we are all fighting for the same damn rights. I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks, so they say.

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  8. I wish to God that I didn't represent people's own feelings of insecurity to themselves. It is seriously such a fucking burden. I'm a pretty sensitive person and I wish people had the wherewithal to get that their discomfort stems from themselves. All I want to do is show up somewhere (*not* lesbian-only spaces) and be who I am without setting off these shock-waves of paranoia, judgment, and self-hate that gender-confused individuals feel. I wish people had better boundaries. I wish people were more ready to confront themselves when their own discomfort is such a clear indicator of work needing to be done. I don't believe that every single person who "disagrees" with transition is actually trans themselves (although I've seen so many cases of that), but I do believe that every single person who feels repulsion, disgust, and mistrust towards transpeople or any other minority should question their own discomfort. Ask yourself every single day where your enmity towards transpeople actually stems from before you take up public space with your words. You may end up regretting what you say, as it may go against yourself in a very deep way.

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  9. @ anon 2:24am

    Amen.

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  10. I believe that every single person who feels repulsion, disgust, and mistrust towards their sex should question their own discomfort. Ask yourself every single day where your enmity towards your sex actually stems from before you take up public space with your words. You may end up regretting what you say, as it may go against yourself in a very deep way.

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  11. I find it interesting Dirt refers to herself as othered. More and more I am noticing she is using this term. So is it Butch Lesbian or othered? ...or?

    People are usually phobic of what they fear most. In this case she is transphobic..

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  12. @ Anon 2:45am

    No. Not good enough. Many transpeople do not feel enmity towards their own sex, but rather that they are not *of* that sex. The two things are not the same. If you are feeling comfortable with your sex, but not comfortable with the way the world treats your sex this is a much different thing than being trans. It's a different struggle. I will fight, and have always fought, for you to be more comfortable as you are, but you must let me be as I am. If you are experiencing gender confusion, don't play it out upon the rest of us who live as we are.

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  13. Someone clearly doesnt understands the meaning of othered, and transphobia is a political tool used by those suffering from the trans disorder to silence. This blog might be a lot of things, silence isnt one of them.

    dirt

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  14. Wow Dirt.

    You just repeated, almost VERBATIM I might add, the words of the pastor of my church.

    He stated that homophobia is a word used by gays and lesbians politically to justify their unGodly disorder/disease.

    This is sick. Intolerance and bigotry are the only diseases disorders here. And I fear that your particular strain of this disease is incurable. It's going to kill you in due time. I feel sorry for you.

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  15. You've lost sightMay 31, 2011 at 6:12 AM

    I truly feel sorry for you, Dirt. What a meaningless existence you've carved for yourself here during your short life on Earth.

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  16. Anon@5:05, I suggest you read my post of Femalephobia, because in reality misogyny is what ultimately lines all the phobias under the "queer" umbrella, including transphobia.

    However it is a well known fact the trans disordered regularly use PC fears by crying transphobia against others under the same "queer" umbrella as a silencing tactic.

    dirt

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  17. When are we just going to leave each other alone and accept that lesbians are lesbians, transguys are transguys, and sometimes lesbians become transguys... I don't see the big deal here and honestly don't think anyone should care.

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  18. Multiple citations needed.

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  19. i get the exact same pressure from the right wing straight world, as i do from the new queer and trans world to be trans.

    just last night my mom who is accepting of me being both lesbian and butch, called me to tell me about how upset she got that one of her right wing friends said to her that i was the 'male' in my relationship.
    i get this exact same verbage from both gay men, and the ftm and mtf trans that i know. and yes i know quite a few.
    both sides (straight & trans/queer) just can't seem to deal with the fact that i am a butch WOMAN- who does not want to transition in any way. They both just equate that to the simple idea that just because I look this way and act this way I must want to be a man.
    I also have many butch lesbian friends, who have seen this as well. So I am not alone here. If you read this blog you will see others who experience this.
    I guess we are suppose to silence ourselves?!
    So realize people that when YOU (alone) say that you don't pressure us to be trans and to transition, doesn't mean the rest of the world both straight and trans agrees with little ole you. I for one have had many more ftms that I know encourage me to transition than anything else.

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  20. The moral of this story is...

    NOBODY should pressure ANYBODY to be ANYTHING other than WHO/WHAT they ARE.

    This applies to all cases, all walks of life, all religious preferences,& etc.

    People in glass houses should not throw stones, Dirt.

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  21. An Anthropological Definition:

    Othering:

    Simplistic recognition of normal human diversity, combined with ethnocentric thinking can lead to a tendency to depict ‘others’ [women, natives, gorillas...] as somehow, categorically, topologically, intrinsically, DIFFERENT.

    In that “difference”, lays the potential for HIERARCHICAL or STEREOTYPICAL thinking ie: all natives are the same.... all women are the same.... All men are the same [and they come from Mars]....

    This practice of comparing ourselves to others and AT THE SAME TIME DISTANCING ourselves from them is called ‘OTHERING’, by which we mean positing that humans and societies whose life and historical experiences vary from your own are ‘different’ [which is true] and not understandable [which is not true]; use of the distance and difference to re-confirm one’s own ‘normalcy’

    click on Name: Othering for full definition of Othering..

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  22. I use to like coming to this site to be able to read researched topics. Not bigoted self opionions. The FTMs and Lesbians uneducated bickering from both sides are making this blog go down hill. Dirt it seems like your right along with them destroying your blog.
    A part of life is learning, and you cant learn if your a bigot.

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  23. Where is the compassion for this childMay 31, 2011 at 1:44 PM

    It appears the man who made the statement is more caught up in his own phobias and unable to focus on or have compassion for the 12 year old girl who was murdered.

    Prejudices seem to run so deep there is murder invisibility, even though it is a child.

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  24. As I said at 12:38 am

    *And for the record...if the lesbian woman was in any way apart of the murder a 12 year old girl... I don't care what anyone says about her. I hope they put that monster on death row twice. To hell with her.

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  25. i just wanted to mention, that gender and sexuality are two completely different things. Being transgender is completely different then being gay, straight, lesbian, etc.

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  26. I agree with Dylan
    T should be removed from GLB
    it's a body-image disorder, nothing to do with sexual preference

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  27. Anonymous said...
    I agree with Dylan
    T should be removed from GLB
    it's a body-image disorder, nothing to do with sexual preference

    Tell this to all the transwomen who participated in Stonewall. Without them the L the G the B and the T would not be where they are today. Yes, we have a long way to go, but every documentary and everything I have read clearly states you can thank Transwomen as well as others for the rights we all have today.

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  28. from what I understand, there were a couple of 'drag queens' there at the Stonewall riot, that's it.

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  29. Anonymous said...
    from what I understand, there were a couple of 'drag queens' there at the Stonewall riot, that's it.



    then you have not watched the documentaries, which flat show it, and the statements from Lesbians and Gay Men from that timeframe in those documentaries who also share who all was there. The Stonewall Riots was recently on TV.. I am sure it will be again..

    What you also don't realize is drag shows was very much a part of the mens bars back then. Come to think of it there were plenty of Lesbian bars who had drag shows as well.

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  30. "What you also don't realize is drag shows was very much a part of the mens bars back then. Come to think of it there were plenty of Lesbian bars who had drag shows as well."

    Which I am sure those of you who don't want to accept this will be shredding the above paragraph as fast as you can get your minds clicking.

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  31. drag is not transsexual

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  32. "drag is not transsexual"

    Didn't you get the memo? Anything that isn't Barbie or G.I. Joe is trans now.

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  33. Dirt. I am a transman, I also like men, so transitioning has made me a part of the gay society, so there are holes in your argument.

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  34. yeah i was going to mention that
    most ftm's i've known have turned into something resembling 'gay men'- effect of testosterone i figure, or just indulging in their already strong fetishization of the male even more

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  35. i just read this kind of old but still valid article which brings up ftm's and idealized gay-male masculinity
    http://www.feminist-reprise.org/docs/jeffreysftm.htm

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  36. Hey Dirt, have you given any more thought to my idea about butches wearing special Butch suits? So that we, as a society, can easily distinguish a special butch from other females who simply want to adopt the dress, mannerisms, and haircuts of men? If being butch has zero to do with wanting to appear male, then I highly recommend some kind of purple spandex SuperButch suit for all of you "unique" and "special" people. That way, it will be easier for people to give you props for being so strong and different from other people.

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  37. The strangest thing to me is FTMs who pair up and live as a gay 'male' couple.

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  38. The strangest thing to me is FTMs who pair up and live as a gay 'male' couple.

    or........... we have heard from straight people..............

    The strangest thing to me is two women who pair up and live as a *couple*.

    We all find things strange that are different than we are... What is your point?

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  39. lol @ 7:12. That was awesome.

    Superbutch to the rescue!!

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  40. 9:28

    ha! of course, those things are exactly the same- women who are a couple and women disguised as a male couple? whatever helps you sleep at night i suppose...
    (that seems to be the dominant ftm argument here, comparing any critique to gay-bashing)

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  41. "I believe that every single person who feels repulsion, disgust, and mistrust towards their sex should question their own discomfort. Ask yourself every single day where your enmity towards your sex actually stems from before you take up public space with your words. You may end up regretting what you say, as it may go against yourself in a very deep way."

    I totally agree with this. In fact for anyone whose identity is far from the "norm". Everybody should ask themselves what it is that make them feel this way, is it something from the external world they have internalised or it is who thy really are. Some people who claim to be LGBT plus others are not really that, but are in the "lifestyle", there to run away from something they don't like the "hetero-normal" world or because something is a trend or cool. Unfortunately this is self harming, lying to one self and running away does not make you who you are. People shouldnt be afraid to question themselves and that which they are doing, truth sets one free.

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  42. "This blog might be a lot of things, silence isnt one of them."

    LOL you silence your reasoned critics all the time, but we all know you're a liar anyway

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  43. If this is true, it's honestly awful. I can understand why homophobia plays a part in some people's transition (especially given the extreme homophobia in the middle east), but it honestly shouldn't be happening in America.

    Well, homophobia shouldn't be an issue anywhere, but you'd think America should be progressing by now.

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  44. Do I think there is unwarented pressure on butch females to transition into men.

    Yes

    Do I think there is alot of internalized mysogyny that drives some butch women to transition into men.

    Yes

    Do I think there is a trend amongst young women to transition into men?

    Yes

    Do I think every trans man is just a self hateing woman?

    No

    I think that there is such a thing as an intersex'd brain. I think that it has been shown pretty effectively. However there is alot of none trans people who are transitioning. Who are they? How do we figure out who these women are?

    I don't know. But I do know that we should all be allowed to make our own fuck ups. If a woman or a man thinks they are trans and they are not, yes, they are going top fuck up their lives. Not much we can do about it. I certainly do not think we should ban transsexual transition because someone who isn't trans might get hurt. That is like refussing to sell burgers because someone with high colesteral might get ahold of one. (yes I know false equivilancy...but it almost works)

    Personaly I think that if you want to stop all the 'trans-trenders' you just need to let this run it's course. Eventually the bad transitions will become known about and many of the wannabe trans folks will hear of these bad transitions and maybe think twice. Lawyers will make it harder to transition by setting higher standards for the doctors to meet before they allow a person to transition.
    This in turn will make it harder for the real trans folks to transition however....

    The genie is out of the bottle. It would seem to me that due to money to be made off trans medicine that you will never succed in making it go away.
    You are middle class american. They are corporate overlords with pockets as deep as they get.
    If you even come close to threatening their cash cow I am pretty sure they will likly make you just go away.

    Pick your battles is what I say.

    CLB

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  45. I believe the FTM phenomenon is also being helped along by these heavily medicated times we are in. How many girls who start testosterone have a history of taking anti-depressants or other mood-adjusting pharmaceuticals in order to feel more 'normal?'

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  46. Lesbians and gay guys have a history of taking anti-depressants too. It's just that we're rejected by society and that makes everyone a little depressed when you feel alone.

    Women have a higher rate of depression too. So putting transguys and anti-depressants together is kind of a bad statistic considering the weight against it.

    As with dealing with lesbianism, transgenderism has a lot of emotion that comes with it. So I don't think that comment was very appropriate or accurate.

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  47. (i think MOST people are quick to be medicated (or have elective surgeries) these days, gay or not, and that makes taking the step of transition sort of a continuation of prescriptions (and procedures) for 'comfort.')

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  48. Anon 6:57

    Thanks for posting that article. Sheila was booked to speak at a "feminist futures" conference recently held in my city (Melbourne, Australia), but stepped down due to bullying/harassment from trans activists. (I saw some of this harassment online for myself and was appalled.) You can read her response as well as some of her arguments around Transgenderism here:

    http://radicalhub.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/guest-post-sheila-jeffreys/

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  49. The concept of "gender identity" is homophobic in that it suggests that there are, in fact, was of "expressing gender" that relate to your biological sex. This is sex stereotyping - which, of course, also harms gay folks who do not conform to stereotypes as to how a female should act or how a male should act.

    All humans deserve to be treated fairly and not face irrational discrimination. But the "gender identity" concept is not advancing that. It's reinforcing the idea that males should act one stereotyped way, while females should act another stereotyped way. It is very, very depressing indeed.

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  50. exactly, Cathy

    and it's so frustrating to be considered a 'bigot' for feeling this way

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  51. Bigots don't usually like being called bigots.

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  52. way to address the issue, anonymous
    Cathy's points are absolutely valid and built on reason not bigotry
    transsexualism is regressive, moving society backwards, and I've yet to see any proof otherwise

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  53. " GallusMag said...
    This is a great illustration of the incredible homophobia inherent in transgender, particularly in the recent push by transactivists to sterilize, castrate and inflict permanent disability and lifetime drug dependence on children as young as ten years old. Children who don't conform to sex-roles and need to be "corrected" by any means necessary. Children that we know would overwhelmingly grow up as gay, if left alone.
    Why do patriarchal power structures (medical boards, government) go along with this human rights abuse of dependent children? Because upholding sex-roles is needed to uphold male supremacy. Same reason for Iran's policy, and same reason that poor girl's father made such a homophobic woman-hating comment to his female child. "- GallusMag

    GallusMag, I have to absolutely agree with you on this. It DISGUSTS ME that they would consider giving hormones to such young children. If it was me as a child, I would have been ripe for that..or being on some medication or another, to avert my hardcore tomboyish behaviors. As it was, I was in therapy instead, and never really understood why..other than I liked patting girls on the head in grade school, rejected dolls at 7, dresses at 10, and wanting to get married to a man or have children at age 12...all of these unacceptable 'unfeminine' behaviors.

    What they REALLY want to eliminate is Lesbianism, especially Butch Lesbians, because we fly in their face defiantly as independent STRONG powerful womyn who reject alot of the patriarchal b.s. on our own persons, and we TAKE UP THE SPACE of men, their jobs and our love for other women. Though most of us prefer other Dykes, there are those who want to date any woman they desire, and THAT is threatening to 'the man' to lose his woman to another woman...so instead we get shamed, silenced, medicated, therapized or threatened ah pressured with surgeries for being different...

    That happened in the past too, when women with a high sex drive or 'masculine'/butch women either got institutionalized by their families, or had their clitorises removed in the early 1900's....but I've known of Butches who were institutionalized just for being Butch Lesbians by their families up into the '80's!

    So, the State, and the family unit and the church will do ANYTHING to control an outlaw female who loves females and doesn't conform to heterosexual gender norms or boxes....and these days, it's pressuring her, so many, many young ones, to take the option out and 'become' male instead. Preferably hetero male. But the gay male community is more powerful being both men, sexually active and far greater in wealth than the dyke community with far more institutions because of MALE POWER that it seems even more attractive once the transitioning process begins to become a gay dude instead of a dyke....and like someone below said, falling in love with maleness whatever way they can, and especially on 'T'. This seems more and more common, while villifying what's left of the Lesbian community behind. We don't even get the word anymore..there is NOTHING in the Bay Area exclusively for bio female Lesbians, or even generally just plain Lesbian...it's all catering to 'queer women' or 'queers' and yet the photos of the events show a bunch of bio females who mostly look like a bunch of dykes considering themselves 'queer' instead, shamed of using the word 'woman' to refer to themselves, or the word 'Lesbian' or 'Dyke'. The further invisibilization of the Lesbian/Dyke community. Even to the point where they say "I'd rather go to the trans march which is more 'inclusive' instead of the Dyke March, but what it really is about is shame in the female!

    I guess the Ayatollah has won, and President Amhadejin of Iraq....(spelling).
    -MasterAmazon

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  54. AGREED!

    What's winning is men in general. Look around women, men are destroying everything that was fought for before us!
    See today's focus of "feminist" on things like 'slut walks'- instead of focusing on the fact that the majority of states are or have already passed anti-abortion laws.
    The last valid movement of feminism IMHO was the riot grrls, but even then their focus was mostly music oriented.
    But at least they were ANGRY. And demanding. Feminist have just been trampled by the mostly male queer community.

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  55. "BoysDon'tCry, L Word, Degrassi, etc."

    Pretty sad that you compare a movie based on an actual murder to two shows that are 100% fictional. Apples and oranges.

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  56. Mike,

    Boys dont cry IS very loosely BASED on real events, the movie IS fictive.

    dirt

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  57. i remember a few years ago when that 'Transgeneration' reality show was on
    and the ftm 'TJ' said she knew she was transsexual after watching 'Boys Don't Cry'
    i was astonished by this
    and wasn't the other ftm on that show in a women's college?

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  58. Just want to say you're awesome dirt. I felt I should considering all the hilarious (yet annoyingly illogical) comments you get.

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  59. Thanks anon@11:27am. It does get rather old.

    dirt

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