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Wednesday, May 4, 2011

Trans Trending-Who is Transitioning


Female transition isnt anti-feminism, it is the ABSENCE of feminism.

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  1. Do you know what I see?

    I see a slew of young faces that have grown up with social networking online, for whom it is more natural to journal their lives via the internet, whereas you or I would have written everything into a paper diary.

    I don't see anything new, I just see a new way of communicating and sharing identities.

    I think this is a generational shift, the difference between those of us that first went online in our late teens or later and those that clicked a mouse before they held a pen.

    Those kids will make their own mistakes. Some may regret transition, but there are also people that are 40, 50, 60 now that regret *not* transitioning when they were younger.

    So there are possible health risks associated with taking testosterone, there are health risks associated with smoking, with not exercising enough, with cycling, with living next to a busy road, with living in a city, with getting pregnant at 15, with mountain climbing...

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  2. 'john'
    you seriously think there is NO peer pressure/narcissism involved in the ENORMOUS recent increase of young female to 'male' transsexualism?
    you seriously think that injecting testosterone and pretending you're male is the same as not getting enough exercise?
    well, you're clearly as delusional as all these girls
    but you must maintain that delusion to even BE 'trans'

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  3. "Do you know what I see?

    I see a slew of young faces that have grown up with social networking online, for whom it is more natural to journal their lives via the internet, whereas you or I would have written everything into a paper diary."

    I agree with you.

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  4. "Some may regret transition, but there are also people that are 40, 50, 60 now that regret *not* transitioning when they were younger."

    This is very true, and some will admit it, while others twist their personal sadness into hatred for younger trans people.

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  5. "you seriously think there is NO peer pressure/narcissism involved in the ENORMOUS recent increase of young female to 'male' transsexualism?"

    I don't think peer pressure and narcissism can be dealt with in the same paragraph.

    I think there is a degree of narcissism in all people, possibly declining as people age and mature. I think that society currently encourages a greater degree of narcissism than was accepted in previous societies, and that is present in people living in developed nations at the moment regardless of sex or gender identity. I don't think someone with a trans identity is any more likely to be associated with a narcissistic personality than
    someone that is not trans identified.

    As for peer pressure, I honestly can't say. I'm not 18. I'm not one of these young people now. I do know that when I was a teen, and felt at odds with much of society around me, peer pressure didn't make me fit that society.

    I haven't been witness to LGBT youth groups steering young gender-variant kids toward transition. I have seen people looking for people with whom they identify, and finding community in each other.

    "you seriously think that injecting testosterone and pretending you're male is the same as not getting enough exercise?"

    No. I think that each individual looks at their options, and weighs up the implications of their actions (or inaction) with the information they have access to, and many acts have a risk of negative health consequences.

    For some people, the potential risk of taking synthetic hormones outweighs the negative consequence of not taking those hormones. If that risk impacts only on that individual making that decision, why is that a problem?

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  6. What is your problem with my most recent comment Dirt?

    “you seriously think there is NO peer pressure/narcissism involved in the ENORMOUS recent increase of young female to ‘male’ transsexualism?”

    I don’t think peer pressure and narcissism can be dealt with in the same paragraph.

    I think there is a degree of narcissism in all people, possibly declining as people age and mature. I think that society currently encourages a greater degree of narcissism than was accepted in previous societies, and that is present in people living in developed nations at the moment regardless of sex or gender identity. I don’t think someone with a trans identity is any more likely to be associated with a narcissistic personality than
    someone that is not trans identified.

    As for peer pressure, I honestly can’t say. I’m not 18. I’m not one of these young people now. I do know that when I was a teen, and felt at odds with much of society around me, peer pressure didn’t make me fit that society.

    I haven’t been witness to LGBT youth groups steering young gender-variant kids toward transition. I have seen people looking for people with whom they identify, and finding community in each other.

    “you seriously think that injecting testosterone and pretending you’re male is the same as not getting enough exercise?”

    No. I think that each individual looks at their options, and weighs up the implications of their actions (or inaction) with the information they have access to, and many acts have a risk of negative health consequences.

    For some people, the potential risk of taking synthetic hormones outweighs the negative consequence of not taking those hormones. If that risk impacts only on that individual making that decision, why is that a problem?

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  7. J,

    There is a little thing on blogger called a "spam" folder, sometimes comments wind up there and must be manually released. I dont have the luxury to be here every second of every day monitoring the spam folder.

    dirt

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  8. J,

    Conforming to societal pressures isnt "a new way of communicating and sharing identities". Only another conformist would think such nonsense.

    dirt

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  9. Anon@4:19,

    Any drug addict will swear by their addiction, how "happy" they are once on their preferred choice of drug, do you actually expect a trans disordered person to say they are unhappy (publicly)? Were they to be honest, the drugs would cease to be prescribed.

    The disorder feeds he need for drugs and the drugs feed the disorder, its a very sick circular way of trying to treat mental illness. Like treating a crack addict with prescribing crack.

    dirt

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  10. You fucking bitch. Stop using pics that aren't yours.

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  11. Feel free to make FU.

    dirt

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  12. Oh and FU, hi to a fellow Michigander.

    dirt

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  13. Oh, these kids will be fine. Except that one with the Justin Bieber hair. That shows an alarming lack of judgment.

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  14. Ahem. I resent the comment about the justin bieber hair. I've had mine since before he was famous. Just saying.

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  15. "possible health risks associated with taking testosterone, there are health risks associated with smoking, with not exercising enough, with cycling, with living next to a busy road, with living in a city, with getting pregnant at 15, with mountain climbing..."

    Cutting off your boobs and being on artifical hormons to the point it changes your body and mind cannot be compared.
    Being a smoker, being a biker, climbing do not change who you are. You can always stop those activities. If you consider stopping T one day, you will have lasting effects (body/facial hair baldness, deep voice) that cannot be reverted. And your boobs are gone and so his your reputation if you annoy people with your new trans-self during years and then change your mind.

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  16. Sorry Dirt!

    Previous repeated deletion had made me jump to the conclusion that that had happened again - I won't jump to conclusions here again.

    Re "Conforming to societal pressures isnt "a new way of communicating and sharing identities". Only another conformist would think such nonsense."

    I'm not saying transition is communicating & sharing identities, I'm saying leaping to Youtube, Tumblr, Wordpress, Livejournal, Facebook etc etc is a new way of communication & sharing identities.

    People of all stripes set up ways to publicly document their lives in ways that 15 years ago wasn't possible for the masses. Sure, there was AOL and Geocities, and some people made webpages, but those people were in the minority.

    Trans people then used small ads, zines, newsletters, and PO Boxes to find each other, but you had to know the information was out there in the first place. Now you just tap a few search terms into Google and there you go.

    I don't know if this ease of mass communication is a good thing or not - there's whole PhDs in studying living in a digital age - but it's what is happening, and it's changing the way we connect in incredible ways.

    In my time volunteering with a Feminist Library, pre-internet times, we had one or two visitors an hour on a busy day. The kind of content you produce on this blog would have been in some zine, stashed in an archive box, referenced in the reference cards and stored in the dark.

    Occasionally someone might stumble over it, be interested and maybe photocopy it, read it to a friend. If they were particularly empassioned they might try to contact you by writing a letter, if they could find an address to write to.

    Today, you can post what you think, have potentially millions of people read that post, and engage in conversation with some of those people.

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  17. Hi Wendy,

    "Cutting off your boobs and being on artifical hormons to the point it changes your body and mind cannot be compared."

    The evidence that hormone therapy changes your neurology isn't there yet, at least, I've not yet come across that research. If you have the details of any such papers I'd be really interested to read them


    "Being a smoker, being a biker, climbing do not change who you are. You can always stop those activities."

    Being a smoker *does* change your psychology, and although it is possible to give up, the part of your mind that is triggered through addiction will never go back to *off*. I'll have a dig around for the information on that, it's really interesting reading.

    Being a cyclist, yeah sure, you can stop cycling. I was presenting a list of things that all have varying degrees of health risk.

    "If you consider stopping T one day, you will have lasting effects (body/facial hair baldness, deep voice) that cannot be reverted."

    Yup. The larynx, once enlarged, doesn't shrink. Body hair can thin, but it's considered a permanent change. Baldness, for those it happens to is permanent.

    Those are effects that are known prior to transition, and each individual weighs up their importance. That's part of informed consent - are the risks understood, and does the individual consider them worth the benefits.

    I don't consider male-pattern baldness as a bad thing, I'm baldness neutral, but then I've never been that bothered by fashion or by my hair - a short back and sides does me fine, and if I go bald I'll just clip it short. No great trauma there!

    "And your boobs are gone"

    If this is about irreversible changes, it is entirely possible to have breast reconstruction. It is also possible to be a woman without breasts - women that have mastectomy because of a family history of breast cancer (but not having cancer themselves) are still women, aren't they?

    "and so his your reputation if you annoy people with your new trans-self during years and then change your mind."

    What do you mean?

    People don't change their appearance to escape a reputation they may have earned at some point in their past.

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  18. I think it's interesting how alot of these young "trans" kids on youtube have adopted this archetypal b-boy image, it appears to be more about aping a particularly aggressive form of masculinity than it is "being male".

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  19. ""and so his your reputation if you annoy people with your new trans-self during years and then change your mind."

    What do you mean?

    People don't change their appearance to escape a reputation they may have earned at some point in their past."

    I meant most of the time, transition is not neutral for the transguy friends, family...People have to cope with it. They have to cope with someone who bragg/claim he is a male etc...insist on pronoums...So if this person wants to revert the transition, asking everybody around to call her "she" again, I am sure some relatives will be pissed off or be annoyed by thise person narcissim...

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  20. Today at work, a coworker has brought in their young (3yrs) old daughter to work. She is dressed head to toe in pink polka dots, hair done up with ribbons, shiny shoes, etc, etc. All of my coworkers keep commenting on how "pretty she is" or "such a pretty dress, your hair looks so lovely"- etc. Then I witness a gay male coworker offer the little girl a teddy bear, saying "I am the toy guy at work, sorry this is the only girl toy I have, I mostly have only boy toys"- and everyone laughs it off. EXCEPT me. Here lies the problem with the world as we know it. That I am the only one that doesn't laugh.

    In fact, I then said outloud to all hearing "And just what is a boy toy? What makes it different than a girl toy?"

    The answer I got from the mother was: (akwardly) "Um, were not gonna talk about that here." (like it was a taboo subject or dirty word)

    The answer I got from the gay male coworker was:
    "well my other toys are kinda scary, this stuffed bear is not scary..."

    And I sit here amazed by all again. And again. And again.
    This is the problem.

    And as I sit here, I get to be known as the weirdo dyke with gender issues?! WTF.

    This is how people grow up "feeling" like they were "born in the wrong body". And society encourages this, when and if you happen to not fall within those limited confines of female/male.
    The solution is not to correct the body.

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  21. You're awesome JJ. If I was there I would have given you a high five and whipped out my tonka truck. :)

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  22. JJ,

    It is sickening how from birth the female world and what is possible in her world is so diminutive, and limited, while the male world is borderless with no frontiers to their possibilities.

    But until we begin challenging our female limitations in mans world, we will continue living limited lives.

    dirt

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  23. "I meant most of the time, transition is not neutral for the transguy friends, family...People have to cope with it. They have to cope with someone who bragg/claim he is a male etc...insist on pronoums...So if this person wants to revert the transition, asking everybody around to call her "she" again, I am sure some relatives will be pissed off or be annoyed by thise person narcissim..."

    OK, now I understand, thanks for the clarification.

    I don't accept it as a reason against transition though.

    Would it be acceptable to say to a young lesbian, "don't come out, your relatives won't like it, and one day if you start to sleep with men your relatives will be even more pissed off"?

    Many women's sexuality does shift and sway over time, and it's not uncommon for women that have identified as lesbian to change that identity to bisexual as they age.

    JJ, I entirely agree that *that* is how gender roles are reinforced, but body dysphoria is an intrinsic issue. Discomfort with gender roles can highlight dysphoria for an individual.

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  24. "the male world is borderless with no frontiers to their possibilities. "

    It's not, sadly. Sexism negatively affects men and women alike.

    How many little boys are told not to cry, to man up, not to be a sissy? That's training to restrict emotional literacy, and curtail the freedom of men.

    Men may currently hold much of the power, but that's at the expense of both women, and those men that aren't stereotypically masculine.

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  25. Johnny,

    Males created that sexism, if they so choose by utilizing their male privilege, they can choose to eradicate it.

    Females have not such power privileges.

    dirt

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  26. John,

    You said:
    JJ, I entirely agree that *that* is how gender roles are reinforced, but body dysphoria is an intrinsic issue. Discomfort with gender roles can highlight dysphoria for an individual.


    lets start with a definition of intrinsic:
    –adjective
    1. belonging to a thing by its very nature: the intrinsic value of a gold ring.
    2. Anatomy . (of certain muscles, nerves, etc.) belonging to or lying within a given part.

    That being said- are you saying that people are born with dysphoria? I certainly don't believe that.
    I do however believe that my above example at work today can and does attribute to dysphoria.
    What if that little girl walked away from that experience feeling, 'ok so this man at mommy's work has a bunch of cool toys on his desk that I cannot play with because they are boy toys. I only get to play with the teddy bear, because it's a girl toy. So since I don't want the teddy bear, and I do want the legos, I am a boy.'

    This is how it happens. And it starts way before age 3.

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  27. @ Jane

    I'd love to play with Tonka trucks with you. I guess we would be then "dude-bro-ing".

    ;)

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  28. Sexism isnt a one way street. Both men and women are effected by sexism. Women do tend to see it more.

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  29. "tend to see it more"

    the understatement of the century!

    LOL

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  30. What I meant by tend was when there is sexism against women it is obviously more blunt. When it is against men it is more discreet.
    There are way more major issues with sexism agianst women. Still the fact still remains that sexism isnt a one way street.
    A lot of sexism of women, come from women. The feminist backlash, the main supporters of that...women.
    Nothing is going to change unless women stop oppressing themselves and stop supporting sexism.
    Addressing the trans community though is not exactly the way either to fight sexism or oppression of women. First you have to reach people who identify as women, and show them they are just as good as any man, if not better. You also cannot segergate anyone from the feminist movement. In the civil rights movement it took blacks and whites working together. It will take women, men, and maybe transgender people to help stop the oppression of women.

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  31. The LGBT community is a trend of itself.

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  32. Anon@11:57

    I couldnt agree more!

    dirt

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  33. Men historically have and continue to profit from sexism, which is why it continues in full force against females of all ages.

    dirt

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  34. Agreed JJ, body dysphoria IS created and maintain because we continue to enforce strict gender codes for males/females.

    Butch Shame which includes body dysphoria is created when young Butches are othered, then when puberty hits and the othering we hid in gets uncovered and we ourselves have to admit that we're not some kind of faux boy, but fully female we freak out and hate our bodies in a whole different way. One that takes most of us another 20 or so years to begin feeling comfortable in.

    Dismantle gender codes and you unravel body dysphoria.

    dirt

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  35. Dirt-

    Yes! It's that struggle that is the bigger picture of this thing called life. All butches go through it and yes it does take a long, long time. But the clarity of self- acheived in the end is all worth it.

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  36. I will cop to complete hatred and utter disrespect for the victimhood mentality that informs people's outrage and indignation as feminists. It's that same victimhood whitewash that makes white privileged lesbians in the States feel like they are the most oppressed people on the planet. It's that mentality that makes certain women believe they need no substantiation for their feminist opinions, or any need to engage in discourse that threatens their notions. "Oh, what? Men created everything? In that case I have free license to take no responsibility for my actions or words, because all of my personal faults are caused by men." It's that same victimhood mentality that makes Dirt think transpeople couldn't possibly know ourselves and be correct in our assessment that the measures we take are appropriate for us. Dirt literally cannot conceive of us as having agency, because the victimhood mentality shapes her entire view and she projects it onto everything she sees. I have to say that I find it fascinating to watch.

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  37. You are so full of shit, as usual.

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  38. I am ftm and I NEVER wore a giant baseball hat sideways on my head to prove I was a guy. Plus, I am not named Aiden, Cayden, Layden, Jayden, Ryan, or Seabreeze. Clearly these kids are just misguided ;)

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  39. Truth hurts, huh "Dirt"?? That's why you have to delete comments.

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  40. Considering I just got home from work Anon, no comments have been deleted. Might wanna refresh your knowledge of bloggers spam folder, you'll look a tad less ignorant.

    dirt

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  41. Anon 4:37

    Being a feminist is about being a vehicle for change. It is about understanding the injustices around you and accepting nothing less than fair treatment for everybody. It is a giant umbrella encompassing many things as well as women's rights.

    People were also shouting "victim mentality" during the civil rights movement in the sixties. "Those blacks have jobs, houses of their own, what are they complaining about?" These people didn't understand the injustice on their doorstep, just as many in society today don't understand the misogyny. Now they say "women have all the same rights and freedoms as men" and point to a few women with public jobs (as if that's proof) and then say "so what are they complaining about?".

    Just as a person of colour has every reason to be angry about racist slurs, so do women about sexism in all it's guises. The true victims are not the outraged feminists, it is the people who stay silent and misplace that rage onto themselves.

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  42. @Anon may 5,4;37pm
    KUDOS!! Your 100% correct.

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  43. "Just as a person of colour has every reason to be angry about racist slurs, so do women about sexism in all it's guises."

    Yes, I understand this, but where are the checks and balances? Where is the personal accountability on behalf of feminists? WHY is the personal ALWAYS political? Why does it seem like being a feminist allows people the license to decide when an issue is solely about sexism rather than a more complex set of circumstances? Why is declaring "sexism" on something always the hammer that leaves no recourse for those of us who even care? Do you not wonder why even very *good* men reject certain feminist critique? It's because often the interpretation leaves no room for men to have feelings, dignity, or a voice in the discourse. You will never really change things by negating someone's feelings, identity or worth. All you succeed in doing is polarizing a situation further. No human should be asked to consider their own experience as invalid. I think what's truly radical is relating to people and inviting them to their own critique of sexism and racism without denying them humanity.

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  44. Oh, enforcement of gender roles starts as soon as a baby is born - I've seen the studies that show if you label a 3 month-old "female", and give it to an adult to play with, that adult will treat the kid more softly, be more talkative, use gentle language, allow it to cry longer than a 3-month old labelled "male".

    I know this continues, and I despair, because it does non-conforming kids no good at all.

    Maybe gender-neutral daycare is the way forward.

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  45. anon at 2:47

    "I think what's truly radical is relating to people and inviting them to their own critique of sexism and racism without denying them humanity."

    no one is denying anyone 'humanity'. actually no one can ever take that away from you. talk about playing the victim.

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  46. Why is "Female transition... the ABSENCE of feminism"?

    Feminism (as definied by merriam-webster):
    1. the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
    2. organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests.

    Most transmen I know are actively organizing on behalf of women's rights and interests, and actively working towards equality of the sexes.

    Do you exclude anyone that doesn't identify as a female from your feminism?

    If yes, you are sexist, and antifeminist.

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  47. If females define who is feminist and what feminism is...they are sexist and anti-feminist?
    HAHAHAHA
    Gee thanks Evan for your bril takedown of feminism. Now go work on those "racist" people of color.

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  48. DIRT: SOoner or later you'll be prosecuted for your bullying. Sadly, it probably won't happen until someone gets hurt.

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  49. Clearly Anon you havent been paying attention, because these girls ARE being hurt! Hurt by the gender straight jacket people like you are hell bent on keeping in place and hurt by a misogynistic male medical machine hard up to use their medical powers to further destroy females.

    The only blood on hands, is on yours and the medical communities.

    dirt

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  50. How is this "gender straight jacket" any different from your "special snowflake syndrome"? Either way you attempt to enforce through bullying behavior gender roles and harmful assumptions about people and their identities. You can't have your cake and eat it too, hon.

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  51. SSS is a product of the gender straight jacket, of which this blog clearly works to undue.

    dirt

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  52. to Dirt private message : see this FB profile.
    https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/profile.php?id=100002369903178
    Some FTM have already reported it. It is incredible how they shut voices of people without respecting freedom of speech and so different opinion.

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  53. @3:56 why are lesbians always such nasty people?

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  54. First you say it's anti-feminism now you says is absence of it. Which is it? And you and your "followers", because I heard through the grape vine that it's just you posting on your own blog anonymously, need to get that they aren't doing crap wrong. They aren't defying you or anyone. They are simply being themselves. People like the boys listed in those pictures you post were put here for a reason. They're put here so straight/bi women can have a real boyfriend that isn't chasing after sex 24/7. That's why I believe there are transgender MEN here.

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  55. Anti-feminism is the backlash (think queer theory), absence of feminism is the result of that backlash (think female transition).

    dirt

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  56. "because I heard through the grape vine that it's just you posting on your own blog anonymously"

    I can say that my posts are not dirts....

    Dirt, maybe a unique vistor counter would help dispel this myth.

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  57. The vast majority of these comments are Dirt just puffing up her blog and baiting the few people that are here.

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  58. Listen up tranny's! I really am not into FTM's but I HATE when people rip other people off!! Beckrosatolewis on youtube has a channel that is "supposed" to help FTM's with surgeries, binders, stp's, name change, etc, yada yada yada........BUT I garantee that she is keeping that money! Do not trust her! she is just doing it to get her own top surgery paid for!
    xo!!

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  59. I can't believe you could call yourself a Feminist. Feminists want equal rights for women, for the rights to be equal they can't be against men. But you don't seem to want men to have their rights, the right to transition into the body that they believe they should've been born into. or if you want to class trans[men] as women then you're not allowing them to be the gender they should/ want to be.

    and all i see is a group of people, i can't judge them, i don't know them, i don't know if they are feminist, i don't know what music they like or what they like to do on the weekends. Neither do you. so what if they're trans, good for them, best of luck to them.

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  60. This BLOG will be shutdown and it is DISGUSTING! You should go and educate yourself on what being transgendered is about before pt such crap online and you can be taken to court, i have reported this to the FBI!!!

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  61. "i have reported this to the FBI!!!"

    For?

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  62. " i have reported this to the FBI!!!"
    HHahahahahahahahahahalolololololololololOMG
    lololololololololololdamn, lolol
    Thanks I needed a laugh, oh my.

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