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Tuesday, May 3, 2011

Trans HATE

A regular reader recently suggested I write a little about "trans hate", by trans hate she was referring to the over abundant hateful and hate filled comments I receive so often from female transitioners. She sees this blog's contents instead as being "trans caring", NOT trans hate! I wouldnt exactly categorize my blog as "trans caring" so much so as I would say, trans preventing. Prevention by providing a safe space where the oodles of misinformation, lack of information, excessive exaggerations and flat out lies about female transition can be brought to light and discussed without worry about being attacked, "banned" or silenced. Prevention by providing a space where it is acceptable to expand the narrow notions of what a female can be so that we can all each be our own kind of female, not the "female" we've been taught we have to be. And prevention by instilling some basic pride in just being female.

Interestingly, this community of  female transitioners, these transmen, who claim to "love women" and embrace "feminism" despise and angrily attack any woman who challenges what they arrogate as their "feminist decision", any female who inserts a healthy dose of reality like the T they inject to maintain their ideas of themselves as "men" and any female utilizing the feminism they say they believe in to dismantle the misogyny they've so eagerly bosomed! For those women, women like myself, there is nothing but a pure vile hatred. For us they coil, spitting their hate filled viper venom with name calling the most UNfeminist verbiages like "bitch, cunt, whore, dyke and man hater". For us we receive threats of "rape" and other physical violence's. For us they'll use terrorist tactics like the best of men trying desperately to instill fear by claiming to know where we live or be "watching" us, all in the hope of silencing our voices!

But the hatred they sling at us, like an asylum patient flings shit on a wall, is really a projected hatred, the hatred they feel for themselves. And the voices they want to silence isnt our voices, it is the female voice in their own heads. They drug her, they mutilate her but the thing they can never to do is to silence her! For she IS them, she is in each of the billions of cells that make up their brain and body, she is in every beat of their hearts and every breath taken. They can threaten us, they can attack us, yet her, they will NEVER silence. So when you see transmen regurgitating female hatred, remember it isnt you they truly hate, it is themselves.

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42 comments:

  1. Stop trying to make transmen sound like violent assholes that rape and beat women. All you do is tell lies and twist shit around.

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  2. "All you do is tell lies and twist shit around."

    Look who is talking! Do you guys think you are god or something? Do you think you are perfect and nobody can critizise you? Grow up!

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  3. "Do you think you are perfect and nobody can critizise you?"

    Not wanting to ge generalized as a violent asshole that rapes and beats women when it is not true is not playing God. Anymore than it is playing God when women stand up for who they are or are not.

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  4. If you want to give useful, informative and non-biased information on trans people then that isn't a problem. Your information is often based on myth and is rarely has reliable sources. You generalise trans people making us all sound like women-hating bastards when that really isn't the case. Yes, some trans men may be misogynists or rapists, but that does not apply to everyone. I think potential transitioners would actually listen to your words if they didn't feel like an attack. Not all asylum patients fling shit at walls either.

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  5. " Your information is often based on myth and is rarely has reliable sources."

    What about the Chrissy inicident at McDonald's and the "Stephanie" incident?
    This was based on myths and look how the trans mass was screaming. If it's about playing the victim card nothing can stop you people. But even the tiniest critique makes you rage. Yeah it's really a mental illnes.

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  6. There are always a few bad apples in every group. Not every trans guy reads your posts or has even heard of you. The ones I know don't know who you are or care about what your saying. They are also really amazing guys. You can't generalize every trans guy. Not every person is the same, that's the great thing about individualism. There are some people who say and have said very horrible things to you. But not every person is the same. If that was the case I could say butch lesbians are perverts and cheaters because of experiences with some. I know that there are plenty of butches who are not like that. I still date butch women, along with femmes, ftms. My best relationship happened to be with a ftm but we had to break up because of we got jobs in different states. I would never say though that ftms are the best people to be in relationships with though because it depends on the person. There are horrible ftms, butches, femmes, and etc out there. You just can't generalize people.

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  7. No one is speaking about "horrible" people, thats clearly neither here nor there.

    There has been a near (if not outright) systematic silencing by the queer/trans community of any person or group who is not as gung ho about their delusions as they are.

    Your statement alone anon, illustrates THAT delusion. Females arent "amazing guys", they are self hating females being used and abused by a misogynistic male medical machine to maintain strict gender norms.

    That those females who are already well into the development of the trans disorder cannot and do not want to comprehend that is fine by me, but that the queer/trans political agenda is hell bent on silencing anyone (by any means it would seem) from bringing a little reality into play IS both hateful and hate filled.

    There has never been a single case of transition that is actually justified, nor has there ever been a single case that proves trans is nothing more than what we know it to be, a disorder developed due to strict patriarchal gender norms in society, religion and family.

    dirt

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  8. People often resort to cussing and name calling when they feel attacked, frustrated or angry. A juvenile approach, yes, but not everyone is very articulate or eloquent when emotions are high and they're trying to make a point. And I know this is going to be used against them, but a lot of the transmen reading your blog are young, and therefore will more likely to get angry and lash out before they stop, breathe and write out an intelligent response.


    So that being said, when they resort to swearing and name calling, there really isn't anything they could say that you wouldn't consider mysoginistic. I mean if they called you an asshole or a dickhead or a jerk, then you'd probably take offence to the usage of "male" insults. So really NO insult is non-mysoginist in this situation.

    I'm not advocating for the usage of insults or name calling but, given that it's a pretty natural, albeit immature, response for someone who's emotionally distraught, you can't really call them all mysoginists for the words they use.

    Sorry I'm minuting as always.

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  9. they're always on here calling Dirt and her 'followers' bitches, dykes, cunts- not just neutral swears

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  10. but there are no neutral swears. That was my point. Any word would be considered offensive against women.

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  11. In a sense Ariel I cannot argue with you there, because language as we know it, was created by men for men.

    Another topic for another day soon.

    dirt

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  12. Anon@12:24,

    Useful to those not already in the throes of a serious mental disorder.

    dirt

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  13. What is your view on those people that live as androgynous? Neither male nor female, but somewhere in between / outside of either?

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  14. Anon, not sure what that has to do with the subject at hand.

    But unless you were born intersexed, you are either male or female.

    dirt

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  15. "There has never been a single case of transition that is actually justified, nor has there ever been a single case that proves trans is nothing more than what we know it to be, a disorder developed due to strict patriarchal gender norms in society, religion and family."

    Could say the same damn thing about Lesbians and Gays.
    Sounds pretty familiar to me of what you and your generation had to deal with being lesbian/gay and then you spew it right back out at ppl you dont understand. You are a hypocrite.

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  16. "But unless you were born intersexed, you are either male or female."

    You'd be surprised to know that many people are intersexed without knowing it.

    I have one friend who is a gay man, and until his early forties had no reason to think otherwise.

    He'd tiny testicles, and not much body hair to speak of, but otherwise looked "normal.

    He said he'd never really felt "male", but also didn't feel a strong cross gender sense, just that he never really knew what "male" felt like. He would "cross dress" in his teens and twenties, partly to mess with people's expectations, and partly as exploration of his gender identity.

    He started having some health problems, and after a series of hormone tests, then a chromosome screening he learned he was, in fact, intersexed, with XXY chromosomes, and almost no natural testosterone production.

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  17. "So when you see transmen regurgitating female hatred, remember it isnt you they truly hate, it is themselves."

    And when you see Dirt regurgitating the trans-hatred, it isn't the transmen she hates...

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  18. There are actually still sex classifications for those with chromosomal issues. That's why some do not consider themselves intersex but some still do though.

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  19. Just because someones reasoning for not transitioning doesnt make sense to you, does not mean that its not a good reason. Declaring somones decision not valid is based off of opinion.
    Honestly when thoughts and feelings get intertwined it is opinion based.
    On another note its weird that you get mad over words you use yourself. If you say dyke it will make other people think that saying the word dyke is not offensive. You use the word pussy alot of to, alot of women hate that word. Some feel that it is disrespectful agianst women.
    In the same sense many could say your disrepecting women everytime you use the word pussy.

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  20. So why do you come here!??

    I DO IT FOR THE LULZ!!!

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  21. Dirt you frequently say bad things about FTMs. How they treat their girlfriends/wifes badly, they are rapist, violent people, and etc. Alot of people would consider people who "fall" under those categories "horrible" people.

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  22. :::clap clap clap::: You all fell for it. Those posting had dropped to next to nothing and Dirt pushes your buttons by resorting to calling Transmen rapists, beaters, and scum of the earth.. She got the result she wanted. YOU are posting again and trying to get through to her. She does not care about transgendered guys. According to one of her online friends from long ago she enjoys arguing and a good fight. AT YOUR EXPENSE.

    You don't need dirt to make this blog successful.. YOU are making her blog a success by allowing her to push your buttons. Without YOU.. TRANSGUYS.. Her blog would be nothing but a handful of whiners.

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  23. I've seen the vile comments come from both sides on your blog Dirt. The ones who support your position are no saints nor are the FtM who sling it as well. You raise some good points but I sincerely doubt that there will ever be a rational discourse on your blog due to the high emotions that are raised here about the topics.

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  24. I don't think we'll ever see a "rational discourse" about this, so don't hold your breath. We have crystal clear logic on one side and the other side (FtM) don't even have a clear defination of what they are. Of course they are over-sensitive, frustrated, over-emotional, etc. Even though I strongly disagree with transitioning, I still keep in the back of my mind that these are people with a disorder, as I think do many here.

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  25. Okay, this is enough. Before i could find your blogg intresting and on some point i agreed with you Dirt.
    But something have happend you and your blogg has just gotten more hateful. And I can't stand reading all this stuff that are ful of hate.

    I dont care anymore that you say that you wanna "help" and "save" transguys, because it's clear that you dont. I dont know what drives you anymore.

    But this is the last thing i will ever write here, and after all these months of reading your blogg I will stop.
    Because there is no care and love here.

    Goodbye from snowy euroupe.

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  26. This is exactly what I emailed you privately about. You delete any rational and respectful responses that differ from your viewpoint. It's easy to paint a group as misogynistic and hate-filled when you silence those who attempt civil discourse.

    Not once have I tried to silence you. In fact, I think every time I have responded to a post I have asked clarifying questions of you. Instead of answering them, you delete the comment or pretend it was never asked.

    So my latest question: Is it possible for you to engage in true dialogue?

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  27. it's the trans'guys' that are
    'pussies'
    (not only because they have them
    but) because they're too weak to live in this world as women

    and their views of stereotypical malehood are as ridiculous as those of mtf's who think they know how women are supposed to behave and overdo it to foolish extremes

    anyway, there's no such thing as changing sex, period
    and there is no reason for transexuals to be grouped with homosexuals, PERIOD!

    it's called common sense people, you can't explain it away with your stupid (and sort of dykey) convoluted gender theories

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  28. Green bean,

    I completely understand your frustration, but make no bones about it, these females would not "think" they are men if our society didnt straight jacket gender. We have be examples of what a female can be and CHANGE society so that this disorder isnt developed by another female.

    dirt

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  29. AN,

    I delete comments that further misogyny.

    As posted plenty O times previously, once the trans communities/forums open their doors to criticism and cease silencing the voices of women, they will get the same treatment here.

    dirt

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  30. Dirt, the comment you deleted yesterday which addressed your "FTM myths" was not furthering misogyny in any way. I spoke only from my experience and asked you to clarify several points.

    You say that "once the trans communities/forums open their doors to criticism and cease silencing the voices of women, they will get the same treatment here."

    Who are you expecting to have a conversation with? There is no one trans community and no one person who can speak for us all. If you are unwilling to engage in dialogue with individuals who approach you respectfully, how are these conversations ever supposed to occur?

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  31. "This is exactly what I emailed you privately about. You delete any rational and respectful responses that differ from your viewpoint. It's easy to paint a group as misogynistic and hate-filled when you silence those who attempt civil discourse.

    Not once have I tried to silence you. In fact, I think every time I have responded to a post I have asked clarifying questions of you. Instead of answering them, you delete the comment or pretend it was never asked.

    So my latest question: Is it possible for you to engage in true dialogue?"

    Oh, that's interesting because that's been my experience also.

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  32. AN,

    That "conversation" has occurred many times and each time, common sense is silenced.

    dirt

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  33. "That "conversation" has occurred many times and each time, common sense is silenced."

    Maybe that's because "common sense" isn't solid enough to form a foundation for the kind of position you're taking!

    People fall back on "common sense" when they can't justify what they're saying. I've heard it used to justify racism, homophobia, sexism.

    "common sense" also varies wildly from culture to culture - your "common sense" isn't likely to be mine.

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  34. sure
    being 'born into the wrong body'
    makes perfect sense! totally logical, that.
    it's dumb to argue this point with people whose very identities rely on utter nonsense
    (and this same belief does not apply to homosexuality, there is no deceit involved in being gay)

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  35. "being 'born into the wrong body'
    makes perfect sense! totally logical, that."

    If I've ever used that phrase, it's been as an analogy to try and explain the deeply bizarre feeling of not being at home in my body.

    I don't think I've ever used that phrase here though, it's not one I find particularly useful. I tend to explain that my brain *probably* has a more typically male neurology, but my chromosomal sex is (to the best of my knowledge, though it's never been tested) XX.

    We don't have adequate language to describe many things, and gender dysphoria is one of those things. Gender is one of those things! We only have our own emotional & physical experience to draw on, we've never lived inside someone else's mind and can't experience first-hand what anyone else experiences.

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  36. john your exactly right when you say:

    "We don't have adequate language to describe many things, and gender dysphoria is one of those things. Gender is one of those things! We only have our own emotional & physical experience to draw on, we've never lived inside someone else's mind and can't experience first-hand what anyone else experiences."

    so why is that we see and hear the same regurgitated tag lines spewed over and over from these young ftms? and why is that we continue to hear about butch lesbians being pressured to transition? and why is it that many start out as butch appearing lesbians, who clearly have obvious issues with that identity like being a lesbian is the worse one could imagine- when in REALITY they are WOMEN attracted to other WOMEN?!
    (please notice that i use 'MANY' and not ALL.)

    human beings behave in very similar ways thats why. your experience and mine are really not so unique. but when we are young we tend to think that we are so unique and individual, that our path is a road never taken before our precious little feet took those steps.

    as a adult with the insight of hindsight- these things become clearer.

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  37. I'd like to point out that there have also been scientific studies that back up the idea that our brain wiring matches our opposite biological sex.

    Here's the title of one such study "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study" and here's the conclusion:

    Our results show that the white matter microstructure pattern in untreated FtM transsexuals is closer to the pattern of subjects who share their gender identity (males) than those who share their biological sex (females). Our results provide evidence for an inherent difference in the brain structure of FtM transsexuals.

    I'm sure there will be even more evidence proving a nueorological basis for transsexualism in the future. Just sayin'

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  38. here we go again with the white matter study that really fails to prove anything.

    1st too few people were studied.
    2nd no other variations of masculine presenting females were included.

    i mean really- and was this done on brains that had already been dosed up on synthetic T- and for how long, etc, etc, etc.

    Many people have found many flaws in that study.

    Clearly you don't follow this blog, or are new to it and didn't do much back reading where this 'study' has been talked about time and time again.
    Drank the koolaid of faux science telling you what you want to hear.

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  39. Once again you fail and so do your "followers". Seriously everyone calls everyone else a bitch. Even women call men bitches. I hate how you post such crap about trans men. They're nothing like that. Just because the ones you meet on the internet give you shit it's only because your starting shit with them by posting this crap. When you say rude and hurtful things people will sometimes do it back. Stop being a damn misandrist not all men are the same. Trans men especially aren't rapist whores and testosterone doesn't make them different. Things will change but it's not like they become some rapist. Some trans men do love women and are feminist, but I guess that's to hard to believe. Though I'm sure they'd know since they were basically forced to live as a female. And another thing, changing the gender of a person isn't "playing God" because we don't see it as "playing God" when women get bigger breasts, face lifts, ect. Those things would count as "playing God" if you think about it because if your breasts are suppose to be a b cup and you want them bigger that's what you and others would say defying nature and basically "playing God". We don't call it "playing God" when someone gets a surgery to save their life either when it would fall under that too. Though I don't consider any of these as "playing God" because this is life anything will and can happen so it's pretty dumb to call out on what's "playing God". Though if there is a God don't you think he'd put EVERYONE of us here for a reason whether they be black, white, straight, gay, lesbian, transgender, ect. You and others need to realize God put people here for a reason so there's no need to bash, lie, and slander someone for being "different".

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  40. Anon@9:09,

    I've never said there arent nice, well meaning female transitioners, but they arent feminist and cannot true love another female. The very causes of their disorder and how the choose to deal with their disorder preclude any form of feminism, which obviously precludes a love of women.

    dirt

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  41. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and though there are some statements on here I do approve of, I have found it hard to not take others on a somewhat personal level.. But, for me that's not because of who posted it, or how it was worded. It has a whole lot more to do with the fact that some of it is true, and embarrassing for those of us who aren't like that, and have tried to inform people without being verbally abusive, or throwing a tantrum.

    As unfortunate as it is, every group has a sub-group of some type that makes the 'collective' so to speak, face palm (Or beat their face on the desk, depending on just how hard it hits them), because some of us see that and understand exactly why so many people think about TG's, IS (Inter sexed, for those who may not be familiar with the term), Cross dressers, etc. the way that they do.

    These much smaller groups are unfortunately the loudest in so many cases, so in quite a few ways, they're out there 'representing' a community that feels, in some ways at least, the same way about them as everyone else does. Debate, or even civilized disputes can be great, it can open peoples eyes to something they may not have cared an ounce about before (Or flat out hated for one reason or another), but flaming makes them not -care- to know more, or re-enforces that hatred.

    I'm hoping it's reasonably obvious, despite my current lack of caffeine, that I'm not advocating hate in any form, I think it's a waste of time that gets us nowhere. And by us I mean Human Beings, not one gender or the other. Just voicing how I personally feel about what I've read here as well as other places (TG forums included, yes).

    This is "Dirt's" blog, so again, in my personal opinion, she's entitled to write anything she wants, no matter how others may feel about it. Just as anyone else could make a blog and being yelled at, basically, for doing so, whether it's just them posting things about their own lives, or about something they feel a great amount of passion for. Why do that? There's no real sense in it. And by behaving that way, you're not going to change anyone's mind. In most cases all you're doing is adding fuel to a fire that didn't need to exist in the first place.

    In the end, I suppose my point is "Chill". Doing what is basically trolling someone's blog, no matter your feelings on the matter, isn't going to move things forward. If anything, it will move them backwards.

    Just my opinion, and in the end that's all I can really offer.

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  42. I also find it very hard to be a feminist when I'm a man. I can root for them, sure, but that doesn't make me one.

    I would have added that to my previous post, but it was one of those things I skillfully missed. ;)

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