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Friday, May 13, 2011

Blogger Issues and a Friday Discussion

Blogger has been down for about 24 hours. It seems many comments, including my own, have disappeared from the last two post. I have no word from Blogger whether they will return. So if your comment/s from the last two post have been removed, it wasnt because they were deleted.

Discussion topic for today: Many females have shared their experiences here of growing up "feeling like a boy", thinking they were supposed to be boys, female body hatred, feeling their body is wrong, or feeling wrong in their bodies or how their female body works etc etc. And each time we have seen these same females, myself included, get attacked either by "trans in denial" statements or having our experiences dismissed outright. Why? Because we chose to work through our female self hatred instead of harming our bodies through the life never ending long process of transition.

If you are a female who has had this experience or similar, how do you feel that your experiences growing up have now become a "trans" narrative? Rather than the experiences of  a female growing up in a hyper feminine/female hating world?

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  1. Personally I feel the same way as my life being a "lesbian" narrative. Like other straight girls I felt an attraction to women. It doesnt mean that I am lesbian or lesbian in denial. When I was younger I wanted to be a guy but that doesn't mean I am trans. But I do believe their are true trans people out their. Whose feelings were not just experimentation.

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  2. Whenever you watch a youtube video where a trans"man" is telling about their chilhood, any tomboy/butch would recognize herself in it. The feelings of not being seen as a "real girl" and the feelings of being an outsider, any female who is not stereotypically feminine knows about them. I believe this videos can make those women start believing they were born in the wrong body because they recognize themselves in the transitioner's story. It's one of the things that misled me to think I was.
    Dirt, I don't know if you saw my comment in the previous post or it got deleted before you could, but in case you didn't see it I just want to tell you again: THANK YOU. What you are doing means so much and even if most female transitioners probably can't stand you, you have and probably will again help some to accept and love their female selfs and that's worth everything.

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  3. It is completely okay and valid to be a proud butch lesbian. You wouldn't be so pathetic if you didn't take other people's pics and post them on your site without permission. What makes you think you can do that?Think about how irresponsible that is. Surely there is a way you can get your point across without doing something as juvenile as that. You are one pathetic asshole. *

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  4. If there were "trans people" out there Anon, they would be born that way, not require the male medical machine to create/maintain them.

    dirt

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  5. KC,

    Thank you for your comment. That a single female learns to love herself is worth all the hate.

    dirt

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  6. Transpeople are born that way, they're not maintained by medical treatment or intervention. It isn't surgery or artificial hormones that 'make' you trans, it's the feelings that lead you to start taking them. If I believed taking hormones or having surgery were miraculously going to 'make me a man', I'd be in serious shit.

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  7. "Transpeople are born that way, they're not maintained by medical treatment or intervention."

    Say that to the gays and lesbians in the iran who are forced to change their sex. They are definitely not born trans they are made.

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  8. nobody is 'born' a transsexual
    perhaps born (or grown-into) a gender-nonconforming person
    it is how this differentness is dealt with that makes someone trans or not
    it is my belief that weaker individuals succumb to transition
    (whilst claiming it takes so much strength)

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  9. Then I suppose people choose to be gay then. I mean if you are saying that people can't be born trans then people can't be born gay either and that it's a choice they make.

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  10. "If there were "trans people" out there Anon, they would be born that way, not require the male medical machine to create/maintain them.

    dirt"

    if there were "diabetic people" out there Dirt, they wouldn't require insulin to create/maintain them.

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  11. It's true. There are plenty of trans people out there who do not have surgery or take hormones. Saying that it's stronger to not physically change is stupid and can only come from the perspective of someone who hasn't and needs to feel extra special about it. It's not a cakewalk either way, but the least you can do is have a little grace regarding your own choices and not assume you know anybody else's truth.

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  12. wait, I want to feel extra-special for NOT transitining?
    so, I am in fact 'trans' because I am not a feminine woman?
    you people are incredibly misguided!
    what makes a non-transitioning person transsexual, pray tell?

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  13. The implication that it is "stronger" to not transition implies a desire to transition. There must be something compelling and desirable about transitioning which must be shouted down and fought back against and shamed out of people. People are always blathering on about how great it is to be whatever they are, or to have made whatever choice they have made. That blathering does not actually make the choice superior, it just makes the blatherer look suspiciously unconvinced.

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  14. it certainly does not imply a desire to transition!
    that would just make me ugly and less of myself
    i just consider transitioning a weakness, a caving to gender norms.

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  15. Well, I suppose if you are ugly now, you'll be ugly after you transition too.

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  16. good one, that!
    (I've seen many attractive girls turn unattractive quickly after testosterone and lose a great deal of individuality)
    but i'm sure (like most ftm posters here claim) you're the one exception...

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  17. (and interesting how you didn't reply to the 'caving yo gender norms' part)

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  18. 'to' not 'yo,' yo
    (typing on phone, waiting for bus)

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  19. Unattractive to who? Lesbians? Why would I want to attract lesbians? I can tell you that I have been described as very handsome by random strangers, but my looks are hardly the point.



    I didn't respond to the gender norms idea because I'm wondering how many times I have to state that being a transsexual is hardly normative. Duh.

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  20. I'm also wondering what it is that you think is so incredibly individual about being a non-gender conforming woman. I mean, from what I can see, there is a certain look, at least amongst the younger lesbians. A certain way of dressing, a certain kind of hairstyle. If you think you can judge someone's actual individuality just by looking at them, well, I just don't believe in that. I prefer to get to know someone and then judge whether they have individuality.

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  21. "...being a transsexual is hardly normative."

    I disagree with this; I think it is a type of regressive conformity.

    (& unattractive to most women I'd say)

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  22. (I don't like any conforming 'sub-culture' style, never have)
    ok, good night!

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  23. ok last one
    I've spoken with ftm's before
    both before and after testosterone
    and witnessed a change in mentality and seen them all become creepily similar...

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  24. Keepin' My DistanceMay 14, 2011 at 10:24 PM

    I was trans way before I decided to transition. Hell, I was diagnosed at 18 with GID and then again on Dec. 21, 2007 and am 39 now. It's not something I chose. Hell, I didn't go on testosterone at 18 because I didn't have any idea about it. I chose to do my own research for years and then went back into therapy at 32 years old. I fought it for years but then accepted who I am and started living full time as a man as of Sept. 30, 2007. It is who and what I am. Is it a trend to me? Hell no. I was trans before this whole everyone is doing it thing. I agree that maybe some of these people are not trans and only think they are as I have had several young butches ask me if they could buy T from me. I told them hell no of course. They told me that they are trans because they like to wear mens clothes and wanted deeper voices. I told them that that does not make you trans by any means. Needless to say not one of them talk to me anymore and have called me a traitor. One of them told me that I am a traitor because I wouldn't help a fellow trans guy out. NO I'M NOT GOING TO JAIL by selling testosterone to you! Call me what you want but I'm not providing a young person with testosterone no matter how much they like to wear mens clothes. Oh well...

    Just my rant! Sorry I went on about it Dirt but I just had a 19 year old ask me last night ask me if I would sell her a vial of T. No way in hell am I gonna sell my T!!!! Not only because I could go to jail but because it would be irresponsible of me to do. I wouldn't even sell a vial to a guy who was diagnosed with GID. I'm not going to jail for no one. If that makes me an asshole or a traitor than so be it....

    ..Again, just my rant!

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  25. "ok last one
    I've spoken with ftm's before
    both before and after testosterone
    and witnessed a change in mentality and seen them all become creepily similar...""

    Butch Lesbians are creepily similar.. So whats your point?

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  26. (i'm not a butch lesbian)
    i agree anyone who dresses and acts the same as a group is pretty silly
    it goes well beyond silly when the uniform changes in behavior and appearance are caused by drugs plus man-worship

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  27. I do worship men. I worship women too. I worship people who are smart and who make music and art, and who contribute to a smarter, kinder world in ingenious ways. I worship people who push their own vision until other people start seeing it.
    People kind of like Dirt, but a little smarter and who can see beyond their own egos.

    I'm sorry that we creep you out. It's quite possible you would creep me out too.

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  28. What kinds of behavior are you seeing that are uniform? If you saw a bunch of masculine females behaving like this, would you feel the same about them?

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  29. i would feel yucky if i saw 'masculine females' acting in stereotypicaly macho ways, yes
    but at least those behaviors can be turned off, not chemically mandated
    and they don't all have that same jockey-like voice, hairy faces and all that stuff

    (and i am a musician)

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  30. (to me transsexualism is anti-art
    built around the mundane and the physical
    hardly trans-cendent)

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  31. That's interesting. I don't feel that transsexualism is a way of life or a religion, but can be a part of a person's history. So if it were "built" on something mundane, many other aspects of life that don't involve art or faith or imagination, or mystery, or wordless knowledge are also built on the mundane. There is nothing inherently transcendent or fascinating about anyone's gender to me.

    I'm actually not trying to get anyone to join the trans team, but the implication that we are somehow less imaginative, or that imagination can be erased by transitioning offends my soul. I know this not to be true for myself.

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  32. It IS killing a part of yourself. The hormones, the surgeries, eliminating that part of yourself that has existed since birth....it's the falseness, the fakeness, the self denial, the hiding of backgrounds that make the trans movement completely inorganic, MANmade and abnormal. Gender fluidity is an entirely different thing,and I know MANY Butches, each is unique, and in the outside world, rare, and yet we have a commonality. Butches have many different styles, many different tones to their various voices, some high, some low, some typical female, some more masculine, but not stereotypically the same as all the trans dudes, that fake hormone induced voice, same with the MTF's. The FTM's all dress and act the same, most of them, are not unique at all most of them, and follow whatever is the most trendoid and 'dudish' to them...the little sideburns, 'staches or beards, the self absorption, the narcissism. Only a few step out of the crowd or are unique, and not afraid to leave the women's community to pursue who they really are AS DUDES...but the rest hang on to Lesbian coattails and DEMAND our acceptance while rejecting us at the same time! How consistent! SHEESH! But now they got all the young boyish/butchy types convinced they gotta grow sideburns, little staches, wear a binder and pack constantly....and reject all of their femaleness which makes 'em unique...totally giving into the patriarchy, whether it be the hetero or gay male patriarchy!

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  33. It IS killing a part of yourself. The hormones, the surgeries, eliminating that part of yourself that has existed since birth....it's the falseness, the fakeness, the self denial, the hiding of backgrounds that make the trans movement completely inorganic, MANmade and abnormal. Gender fluidity is an entirely different thing,and I know MANY Butches, each is unique, and in the outside world, rare, and yet we have a commonality. Butches have many different styles, many different tones to their various voices, some high, some low, some typical female, some more masculine, but not stereotypically the same as all the trans dudes, that fake hormone induced voice, same with the MTF's. The FTM's all dress and act the same, most of them, are not unique at all most of them, and follow whatever is the most trendoid and 'dudish' to them...the little sideburns, 'staches or beards, the self absorption, the narcissism. Only a few step out of the crowd or are unique, and not afraid to leave the women's community to pursue who they really are AS DUDES...but the rest hang on to Lesbian coattails and DEMAND our acceptance while rejecting us at the same time! How consistent! SHEESH! But now they got all the young boyish/butchy types convinced they gotta grow sideburns, little staches, wear a binder and pack constantly....and reject all of their femaleness which makes 'em unique...totally giving into the patriarchy, whether it be the hetero or gay male patriarchy!

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  34. Hi Dirt,
    I saw your post on The Magazine Project for Lesbians and it directed me to this blog.
    With regard to trans (FTM), I'm completely against it but I also feel that it is hard to stop people from doing what they do. After all, as a lesbian who never considered altering my body in any way, I admit that it is hard for me to know what FTM are thinking, I mean really.

    But what gets me is their anger towards lesbians and lesbian separatists. Lesbian politics is already dwindling and I find it sad that by being inclusive, we're compromising our real focus, which is fighting against misogyny and essentially everything that is wrong with how we were taught to view the world.

    Trans perpetuates patriarchal society. There's nothing revolutionary about it, aside from the science.

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  35. I don't particularly feel my life is a "trans" narrative. I feel like I "transitioned" already, I went from being a boy with no penis (at least in the way I viewed the world and how the world reacted to me) to being female, at about puberty. It was frightening, and upsetting, and I never really got into the whole role of being a female. I try sometimes, but I'm a screwup at it.

    But being cushioned by my sexuality (Im straight as straight) meant I never felt the need to transition again, because I understand that I would not get my childhood experiences back. I would not be a man-person.

    So I'm a tomboy (I'd never call myself a butch - butches have it tougher by far, and I don't want to appropriate their history or identity) and yeah, I call myself genderqueer and I don't care what pronouns you use for me except on some days, and that's my problem, not yours. And some days I'll dress in typical female dress and love it, and some days I'll dress in typical male dress and love it.

    But I'm still a woman, I'll always be a woman, and I'm getting more and more okay with both that, and my gender presentation differences, the further I sink into it.

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  36. "because I understand that I would not get my childhood experiences back. I would not be a man-person."

    That's an interesting story and I wish you well. It sounds like you know yourself.


    I feel like I do get to be a man-person and that's exactly why I did transition and I'm so glad. I never hated being a woman, because I never felt I was one. There might be woman-person and man- person and I have had the chance to be both.

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  37. 10:01, what are you going to be next?

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