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Thursday, April 21, 2011

Trans Trending-Who is Transitioning

Transition: the END of Feminism!

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  1. *swooon* Those some sexy guys.

    Thanks for the weekly eye-candy, Dirt! Much appreciated. ;)

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  2. We both know not a single one of these girls appears remotely male, nice try though.

    dirt

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  3. We both know not a single one of these boys appears to remotely care what you think, nice try though.

    And feminism isn't ending. Feminism can never end.

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  4. It ends with each and every female who blindly ingests the misogyny all females are spoon fed, like these young women here.

    dirt

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  5. You know what's amazing? You make misogyny seem like the worst thing ever, but in reality- feminism wouldn't even exist without misogyny.

    And it doesn't matter how much people explain to you, not every (trans)man hates women. Oh, a (trans)man physically alters their body- that must mean they can't be a feminist and they hate women. Brilliant logic. You should write a book about it all or something.

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  6. Rapist wouldnt exist without rape too, right? You might wanna think before commenting.

    Oh and I am working on a book, have a bright sexy young editor working with me.

    dirt

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  7. Anon,

    There wouldn't be a need for Feminism if there wasn't misogyny, much like how there wouldn't be a need for law enforcement without crime.

    Dirt should appreciate misogynists as much as police officers should be writing thank you letters to criminals.

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  8. "the end of feminism"

    That's kind of a defeatist attitude, isn't it? I would think you'd be a little more resillient than that.

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  9. Truth isnt about "resiliency".

    dirt

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  10. anon 12:38

    Awe geez, I know you mean well, but you went about it the wrong way dude.

    Feminism shouldn't HAVE to exist because in an ideal world, we'd all be equal. This blog speaks volumes to the fact that we're not - and in so many more ways than it intends.

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  11. Dirt,

    no...feminism will be kept alive if you and others KEEP it alive. To suggest that it's coming to an end and that it's completely out of your hands is defeatist - not to mention an insult to the first and second waves.

    Would they have backed down?

    Ariel.

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  12. no one is backing down. hence the existance of this website and others. durrrr

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  13. Feminism has been dying since post modernism birthed queer theory.

    dirt

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  14. Dirt,

    ah, true say. I guess there's nothing we can do. Wanna jump off a bridge with me? You first.

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  15. anon 2:02

    And what exactly do websites such as these actually do for the advancement of feminism?

    I know I'm coming off as brash, but seriously guys. If you want to help feminism go out into the community and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I mean feck, me and my friends work at sexual assault crisis centres, advocate for women only spaces and protest the funding of anti-abortion groups on campus that have been known to commit ambient violence against women.

    I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means, nor do I know anything about you or the owner of this site's personal lives. Hell maybe Dirt is going out there in her community and physically doing something for feminism. But if she is, I've never seen any mention of hint of it here.

    One of her video's says it best "I've bitched and moaned, I've bitched and moaned..." I mean, EXACTLY. Where does bitching and moaning get you?

    Do correct me if I'm wrong. I recognize the very real possibility that you're all active participants in the feminist community. And if so, I'm genuinely curious as to what you do - it would be quite an uplifting thing to hear on an otherwise bleak discourse.

    Ariel.

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  16. I don't understand this conclusion. How does people transitioning threaten feminism? It is extremely apparent you care deeply about women, which I applaud, but what you are saying suggests to me that men are a threat to women, or a threat to women succeeding in this world. But generalizing the entire gender seems only to me to create an "us vs them" mentality and that is not something I find productive in any real-life situation. I'm trying to understand the heart of this matter. I mean, it's not like FtM is something men cheer on, welcoming them into their elite club of patriarchy. So what's this really about?

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  17. Ari,

    This is what I'm doing, whether you bystand while females continue to wallow in self hatred is entirely up to you.

    dirt

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  18. "This is what I'm doing, whether you bystand while females continue to wallow in self hatred is entirely up to you."

    Frankly, Dirt, you are the one wallowing. I agree with the posters who stated get out and build something positive for Women. I see you as hiding behind your computer whining instead of doing something constructive with your time. I also see you as living life in victim role with all or nothing attitudes.

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  19. A female born into a situation where she hates/rejects her physical appearance as female to the point of suicide. Where this female believes her societal traits or shame make her less of a female sounds like what feminism wishes to prevent but partially of what GID actually is - at least that is the jist of what I believe Dirt is saying.

    Personally, I am more confused on the matter now. It has certainly put me on a crossroads with the subject matter here on the blog. I came here as a trans ally. To my surprise I find that Dirt does have some points. I don't always agree with her but I don't always agree with transguys either.

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  20. Hey Dirt. Been lurking here for the better part of a week just checking things out. I didn't know this conversation was happening on any large scale.

    I'm a 40-something married, vanilla heterosexual female. I have been around transitioning mtf people since I was a teenager, and I thought tans was something I supported as part of my support for g/l rights in general.

    But the older I get, the more questions I have, and I've come to the point where I can't support it and I definitely see where you are coming from. Chromosomes don't change with surgery or hormone treatments, and neither does the conditioning that comes with having been raised as one gender or the other. I also think transitioning is the ultimate expression of male privilege, and a victory for the heteronormative impulse that dominates our culture. It seems absolutely about assigning the "correct" gender to cancel out the "deviance" of gayness.

    Then of course I wonder why is this particular surgical butchery allowed, but not others? There are people who feel the psychological need to cut off limbs, yet they are denied. There are prominent plastic surgeons who think they can give us wings or sonic hearing, but they are not allowed to try due to ethical bans. If I can't take anything else away, or add anything else surgically but my genitals, that really speaks volumes to me about how the whole thing is just a biproduct of our dysfunctional approaches to sexuality and the decadence of surface culture.

    Thanks for having a place I could express this. I've tried to talk to friends about it, and I think I'm very fair in not judging people who have already transitioned, and expressing that all people deserve basic human rights. I don't want to harm any living person, I just want others to really think about it before doing it, and I'm troubled by the "cool" factor involved, too. But people are horrified that I don't automatically support it, and refuse to listen to what I think is some pretty solid reasoning.

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  21. A bunch of youtube FTMs are stopping T now...looks like those ~*~omgz totally male identities~*~ aren't going so well in the real world LOL.

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  22. Wonderful comment anon@2:55pm. I agree.

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  23. "A bunch of youtube FTMs are stopping T now...looks like those ~*~omgz totally male identities~*~ aren't going so well in the real world LOL."

    Some FTM's will sometimes stop T after the desired effect is reached. Some others will cycle on and off of them for various reasons. A friend of mine stops taking his for 3 months every year. It all depends on the person.

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  24. I had to stop T for medical reasons, and I don't know if I'll ever be able to go back on it. Now I'm not sure who or what I am.

    :(

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  25. "We both know not a single one of these girls appears remotely male, nice try though."

    You crack me up Dirt. Keep telling yourself that.

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  26. You gays are so funny too. You see everything through the lens of gayness. Many, many people understand gender to be unrelated to sexuality. I see a little kid who's trans-you define them as gay. Ultimately THEY will choose how they are to live in the world, so it doesn't matter what we think. If you cared about the actual people you are talking about, you would support them as people. But your love is conditional All you want is for them to be gay and female like you. That's not gonna happen. get over it, find a way to move on-you are wasting your life.

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  27. God damn it what did i tell you? STOP POSTING PHOTOS THAT AREN'T YOURS!!!! fuck you are a bitch!@@

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  28. @Anon April 21, 2011 12:38 PM



    "You know what's amazing? You make misogyny seem like the worst thing ever, but in reality- feminism wouldn't even exist without misogyny."

    Say what?????

    So are you going to say that racism and slavery was not so bad because it gave us Martin Luther King?????

    "And it doesn't matter how much people explain to you, not every (trans)man hates women. Oh, a (trans)man physically alters their body- that must mean they can't be a feminist and they hate women. Brilliant logic. You should write a book about it all or something."

    Trans people are not comfortable as the sex they were born with. If you cannot be comfortable as a women borne in a womens how can you call yourself a feminist?

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  29. I don't want to harm any living person, I just want others to really think about it before doing it, and I'm troubled by the "cool" factor involved, too. But people are horrified that I don't automatically support it, and refuse to listen to what I think is some pretty solid reasoning.

    @anon 2:55 Well said! I agree.

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  30. All I see here is your hate and discomfort with something different to yourself. It's like hardcore religion! Can't give a good reason to believe but you can give many reasons why you'll go to hell if you don't! So sad. No real beliefs except what you've been told is wrong as gospel.

    Give young women positive reasons to be out and proud. Your thinking is clearly 'don't be FTM, you'll become a horrid, mutilated monster!' which hardly does any good; a young woman thinking she might be trans is hardly going to see that as a good enough reason not to transition if they're severely dysphoric.

    Empty threats. Submit or you'll go to hell. The exact reason none of these people you post care what you say...

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  31. wanna hear a joke? feminism

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  32. I agree with quite a few of these posters, Dirt, can you tell us some of the things you do in person to promote feminism? You've never talked about it.

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  33. How would a trans person detransition if they were tall, hairy, and BARITONE?

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  34. Curious: The same way that a transwoman transitions.

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  35. Those women on the pciture are women whon try to masculinise their body but most of the time they don't succeed. For the people who think they are sexy, it is the 3-6 months after T "grace". Now look at 3/4 years transitioners on YouTube, most of them are not sexy: baldness is not sexy, beard is not sexy, acnea is not sexy, and being considered as a non potential partner because you don't have a dick and balls (to give life) is not a life...
    I am sure the person who comment here are those silly queer women who will date those guys at Uni , will encourage them to go fast in the transition because it looks good on their resume as an activist to date a FTM and then will dump them for a biomale...forcing them to a lonely life and living with a grostesque body they will have probably not changed at the first place if not brainwashed by those queer women...

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  36. I agree with Anon 2:55

    Comments on this blog can get so angry and personal, when I really do think that most people who are argue that "trans" is social/cultural constructed body hatred are coming from a place of reasonable argument, love and concern. There is a total backlash from the trans community that if you think this you mean harm to others.

    Personally I just want people to question themselves alot more before they make a decision that they might regret. Alot of trans men have come out and said that their was alot about being female that they took for granted because they were so fixated on the benefits and privileges of being male.

    Transmale communites/discussions/literature analyse "Why people want to appear male" in great depth. What they need to do is include voices and perspectives on "Why people don't want to appear female".

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  37. Lol, i really like how every one assumes what another person wants...

    ok as an FTM im more then disturbed by what i am seeing, young people rushing into a transition that they think they have thought about..

    *presenting hetro male to the world does give you power wether you want it or not.

    *transition means you NEED to move on from the ima date lesbians, cause sorry guys lesbians eat pussy not dick.

    *transition IS a life long commitment, ESPICIALLY FINANCIALLY.

    *a man is NOT what pre hormone ftm's think it is.

    *transition IS a selfish time in your life, you ARE and need to focus on your self.

    *transition can mentally damage people (if not already)

    *transition WILL make you hate your self while you are 'inbetween'

    *transition CANNOT be undone SURGERY IS PERMINENT

    entering transition for my self i decided to remove my self from the LGBTQI community...

    I decided NOT to date before transition, as im still classed as in transition i DONT and WONT date, its unfair to any potential partner, physically, mentally and financially...

    where its safe i DO have to out my self, i am VERY conscious of potential dangers in every situation..
    people die from being trans, being trans ISNT cool, if you cant handle what dirt has to say (like it or not) DONT TRANSITION, cause ive seen worse, im in a 'safe' country but people still get hurt..

    Dirt ill say it again, i dont agree with some of your methods, at times the things you say urk me to the core and make me question ALOT that should have been addressed before surgery (still wouldnt have changed my mind, ive made the right decision for me, but now have the power to advocate against transition in many cases)
    BUT you are doing what you feel is right and in many areas ill 100% support you, i acknowledge i am still female chromeasonaly, but medically, hormonely, and chemically a male.
    THANK YOU

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  38. If you do to transition, do it to the extreme end. Do the bottom surgery. Otherwise you wil always have dysphoria and you will always be seen as "in between" or "disabled" by potential partners and so you will attract only certain type of partners: nurse type, shrink type, gay fucker...

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  39. @2:42
    [i acknowledge i am still female chromeasonaly, but medically, hormonely, and chemically a male.
    THANK YOU]


    the testosterone you take is synthetic, and your body will always be female though.

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  40. anon @ 4:27


    even with those horrible, vomit inducing bottom surgeries, they'll always have dysphoria. They pay to be mutilated, doctors get their $$$$$$$

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  41. @ anons who dont have the guts to even put in a name..

    "the testosterone you take is synthetic, and your body will always be female though."


    was that supposed to offend me? becuse clearly you didnt read what i said...

    my body is the way it is due to chromosomes im not denying that, im also not denying or in denial that they will never change.

    i also know full well that the hormones i take are synthetic, always will be.

    I bare ALL financial responsibilities for my transition, i will never expect or ask for someone else to pay any of it not even insurance or government, I made this choice no one else

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  42. At :D

    I am sorry for you but in some countries transpeople have their transition paid by tax payers. There is even one country in the world where transpeople insisted to:
    1/ have GID removed from the mental illnesses list
    2/ but still to have surgeries and hormon paid by tax payers

    So transpeople do use OUR money for cosmetic and for transition that will never solve the issues they have in the first place. in a NHS system in economi crisis and at the expense of people who have deadly disease like cancer, aids, or disabilities...

    I am sorry but, as a tax payer, I prefer to have my money going to ASPERGER patient or gay males with AIDS than trendsetters.
    I don't expect you to understand!

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  43. "I am sorry but, as a tax payer, I prefer to have my money going to ASPERGER patient or gay males with AIDS than trendsetters.
    I don't expect you to understand!"

    Excuse me, trans people pay taxes too, we are taxpayers just like you and we deserve medical treatment, just like you.

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  44. "Comments on this blog can get so angry and personal, when I really do think that most people who are argue that "trans" is social/cultural constructed body hatred are coming from a place of reasonable argument, love and concern. There is a total backlash from the trans community that if you think this you mean harm to others."

    Well these concerned and loving people have a nice way of showing it, alright. Demeaning, insulting and offensive comments about trans people apearances, and identities, very supportive.


    "Transmale communites/discussions/literature analyse "Why people want to appear male" in great depth. What they need to do is include voices and perspectives on "Why people don't want to appear female".

    Transpeople question themselves dasy in and day out for years whether this is the right choice. sometimes there is no right answer, it just is what it is.

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  45. Wait, I'm confused. Are you a boy or a girl?

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  46. @anon 8:39.. you DO deserve medical treatment like everyone else for health reasons, NOT for cosmetic reasons, stop pretending you dont know what she meant. Would you want your tax payer money going to breast implants, nose jobs, face lifts etc...

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  47. "wanna hear a joke? feminism"
    hahahaha

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  48. Trans people are not comfortable as the sex they were born with. If you cannot be comfortable as a women borne in a womens how can you call yourself a feminist?

    The same way a person born in a "male body" (since Dirt said people can't put cis, I'll just put the male body bit in quotations because no one is born male or female, it's just another way of separating society by saying if you're born with this, you're this and if you're born with that, you're that)can call themselves a feminist. "Male born" people wouldn't be comfortable in a "woman's body", but that wouldn't mean they hate women whatsoever.

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  49. wanna hear a joke?
    "... no one is born male or female, it's just another way of separating society by saying if you're born with this, you're this and if you're born with that, you're that"
    now that's a larf!

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  50. are other animals (and plants!) not born male or female, or does this just apply to humans?

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  51. As humans, we find it necessary to tag every little thing, and "male" and "female" are just another tag.

    Because a large group of people have genitals that look similar, they must be a certain sex, with a certain gender, and nothing can change that.

    My genitals may make people think I'm female- well, I'm not. Society just makes people think I'm female. I'm just me. Oh, sure, I sound like every other transguy? That's like saying a feminist sounds like every other feminist by wanting equality and whatnot.

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  52. no, male and female is biological reality
    in all animals (people included) and many other types of life
    you have no idea how silly you sound!
    (yes, like most other transpeople and assorted 'queers')

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  53. Yes, we sound silly to a bunch of lesbians whose very existence relies upon that division between the sexes. And you sound silly to us.

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  54. my existence doesn't rely on anything, unlike trans which requires
    medications
    surgeries
    deception (self- and otherwise)
    people who will agree to humor you, as you pretend to be that you are something you are not

    are you saying that there is no such things as biological males or females of any species? please answer.

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  55. @gb
    lol fail
    you don’t have to transition at all to identify as the opposite sex.
    If you don’t know what you’re talking about why do you even bother?

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  56. Are you saying that there are no males or females of any species in the world?
    You come across as a child.

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  57. Anon @April 22, 2011 1:05 PM



    "The same way a person born in a "male body" (since Dirt said people can't put cis, I'll just put the male body bit in quotations because no one is born male or female, it's just another way of separating society by saying if you're born with this, you're this and if you're born with that, you're that)can call themselves a feminist. "Male born" people wouldn't be comfortable in a "woman's body", but that wouldn't mean they hate women whatsoever."

    Yes, but men that are comfortable in their own bodies and express the whole range of their true selves and allow women do do like wise are feminist. The crux of it is that you are comfortable expressing the whole range of your being in your own body and that you feel that your body does not restrict you from doing so.

    I set that up..i knew someone would try to use that line of reasoning.

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  58. Anon 8:53 AM

    Some of the trans responses here are JUST as bad picking on women, lesbians, gays, and butches. I think we ALL need to take a chill pill sometimes!

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  59. @ ]:D April 22, 2011 6:06 AM

    i do understand i am a tax payer also as i said i do and will bare all costs and feel that it is my responsibility and mine alone HOW EVER like lesbians transgender people are being refused the most basic of medical care in many countries which i DONT agree with WE ALL should be allowed basic health care....

    ok i just watched a video and im HIGHLY disturbed by it, i would like to see dirt maybe talk some more about it http://www.bilerico.com/2011/04/transwoman_severely_beaten_at_baltimore_mcdonalds.php

    not only was this violent act occur by females, the ACTUAL gender (trans or not) has NOT been released, so people are going under the assumption she is a transwomen when in fact she may not be

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  60. "Anonymous said...
    You gays are so funny too. You see everything through the lens of gayness. Many, many people understand gender to be unrelated to sexuality. I see a little kid who's trans-you define them as gay. Ultimately THEY will choose how they are to live in the world, so it doesn't matter what we think. If you cared about the actual people you are talking about, you would support them as people. But your love is conditional All you want is for them to be gay and female like you. That's not gonna happen. get over it, find a way to move on-you are wasting your life.
    April 21, 2011 8:16 PM"

    I say don't define the child as either. Don't look at a child as being trans or being gay. It sounds like recruitment/rejecting for "teams." IMO, that is the huge bulk of the problem in our society. We see a child being a certain way and we instantly want to label them. Let the child just do what they want like you said at the end of your post.

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  61. I do have to say, i subscibe to everyone you put up here, add them on facebook and add them to transmen world wide that holds over 800 Transmales so they can get better support.

    Thankyou Dirt!
    You aid in helping these young men find a home!

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