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Tuesday, April 5, 2011

THIS is the REAL VIOLENCE being done to Transmen

Thanks to whoever emailed me these. Due to dealing with family matters I do not have time to write a full post to go with these pics, however they very much speak for themselves and the continued violence the male medical machine perpetuates against women.

This is considered "successful" top surgery, but we can see even smaller breasted females are just as butchered as those with larger breast. Destroyed nipples that are misplaced and puckered scars. 
Here, make note of the obvious bruising and flattening of this woman's breast from binding. I have to wonder how much the negative effects of binding have on the overall psyche and breast dysphoria before breast removal.
Another notable problem with breast butchery which adds to the failure of a "realistic" male appearing "chest", is the scarring determines where the pectoral muscles fall.

The rest of the photos are beyond reproach and far beyond medical ethics.
 Note, despite all the T in the world the female shape ALWAYS remains, which only adds to the incongruent appearance from "bottom surgery". The scarring and monstrosity sewn over the pussies of women suffering from the trans disorder is mind boggling, and very often "it" (for lack of a better word) rots from the body. If the mutilative effects of "top surgery" didnt solidify the distorted self image female transitioners possess, surely bottom surgery squarely places female transitioners into the same category as any female suffering from anorexia and other BID's.

Female transition isnt about being "born male" in a female body, it is about the development of a distorted self image based in female self hatred from growing up in a misogynistic society that values male over EVERYTHING female!

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  1. skin tube............ewww

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  2. ooh, she 'went there!'
    awesome.

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  3. I don't get the bottom part of surgery, yeah I understand you want to have a penis but frig it looks so painful and not worth it. They don't even look real! It looks like someone glued a sausage to their crotch and painted it the corresponding colour. Totally not worth it for something that looks fake and too painful to imagine.

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    1. That's really hurtful to say about someone's genitals

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  4. Why judge how other's genitals look? You wouldn't want them to look at your pussy and say hateful things about it would you?

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  5. I heard Garramone "marks" FTMs by putting nipples higher and farther to the sides than real males. You can google it.

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    1. I'm not sure why Garramone would want to "mark" FTMs to begin with, but let's just pretend that he does for the sake of argument.

      Why would he need to place the nipples differently to do it? His patients all already have the telltale "anchor" scars that come only from female breast augmentations and masectomy. If you're looking at the nipple, you will already be see able the scars. How many men do you know who have gotten double masectomies?

      Even when men DO get surgery for 'gynecomastia', the surgery is performed differently and is much less drastic. There's usually minimal to no scarring, and even when not, the incisions and therefore the scarring are in a different place.

      Those anchors are permanent, btw. They'll fade a bit but they'll always be pretty noticeable. So yeah, he doesn't have to do anything weird with the nipple to "mark" FTMs.

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    2. You have a logic there! I completely understand. But i think there are many reason why someone would want to mark ftms. 1) being a man is more valued in society than being a woman. It is much easier to go down a ladder than to go up. Marking ftm makes it easier to differentiate a cis man("real") from a trans man("fake"). For example phalloplasty or whatever is basically a mark on your thigh, whats your story for that one? if donald trump went around, he would be able to tell the difference. That is why i am never cutting my body. Its fishy as fuck. Also, surgeons want to get paid too. When one ftm tells another ftm, i got my surgery from this doctor. he gets paid. getting paid means staying alive and liking the results. But it doesnt mean they are for trans rights. Also, if the doctor is a psycho, he would mark you. Plastic surgeon are like artist, they like to create. An artist always marks his work. Ftm or mtf who choose to transition are basically like human lab rats to some doctors. Sometimes, i think to myself if you do change your name, wont the government keep a record of your former name. Yes they would. Because your name is an essential part of your history! Like the surgery and the ID, its just for show. It is however unfair to insult someones genitals, no it doesn't look real. If someone saw the penis, its a give away. so what was the point. Exposure therapy is the best for conquering dysphoria and less self self self! Which is why there are man trans people who transition and still dont love themselves. For example, i learned i did not like my tits because it was beautiful by society standards. or i dont like my body because even if you dress like a boy, men still treat you like a woman or hit on you. So you start to hate those parts that men like. i absorbed bullshit like my mum and friends telling me to dress girly or put on a bit of make up made me. My brother being treated different made me see gender differently. As young as three, you can tell that boys are different from girl even if no one is telling you. You want that blue bicycle and your grand parents dont say no. but they say "okay, but how about the pink one". People who i see transition dont necessarily have conservative parents are from smaller town or some what conservative cultures that doesnt leave room for a variety of expression. Many people who transition had fucked up childhood or fucked parents. They dont fit in because of social awkwardness and they would learn they dont fit in still even after which is why trans guys stick together. I am going to take low dose testosterone but i am honest with myself that i do want more muscle mass, less hips but im fine now either way(i work out), less soft body, more hard. I do want a more angular jaw and a bit of a deeper voice. I dont like facial hair even on cis men. It makes trans men pass, but my agenda, is more of an andogynous, non gender conforming balance. I also dont want male privilege. Men are assholes, dont joke with me now when you were intimidated by me yesterday. Cis men hoard power because they are insecure. Believe it a not some doctors would mark you because they dont want you looking like them or better.

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    3. Or b/c these doctors are medical fetishists who get off on controlling their "patients" when really they just like cutting up women.

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    4. Sorry for the grammatical errors. My point is i am honest with myself. How trans people are treated to wrong. Its not the fault of the trans person. It their lack of understanding of self. psychologist dont understand that modern day gender dysphoria should really be a part of body dysmorphia. But because they dont want to ask you to change yourself(mind)(like they did gays in the past and that came with backlash). They instead they make you change you body to fit your mind. But you cannot change your view on your body without changing your mind. Someone with anorexia thinks they are fat and starves themselves, you don't ecourage them to starve themselves. You get them to view their body differently. But why is HRT an effective treatment in psychology? because for something to be considered a mental disorder, it has to be deviant (statistically and culturally), the person has to be in distress(they dont like they are like that) or their behaviour is maladaptive(affecting relationship and work). Two of those three criteria have to be met. Trans people are statistically deviant(no, many people who are not trans hate their body)(many women and men do not conform to societal standards whether they look it or not). Trans people are culturally deviant(DING DING DING)patriarchy remains! Is you being trans stopping you from having a good relationship(depends!). Distress!(this is probably connected to the fact that it is culturally deviant!(people would forever think your weird if you dont conform to their expectations). Everybody wants you to be like them because then they dont have to change and it reinforces their securities. Being different is something you have to love,but some people want to fit in and that is what gives them distress. But i say, we are over 7 billion people in the world, we have to be a variation. no two apple, oranges are exactly the same. Having distress, would affect your relationship and your work.

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  6. At anon 11:19


    If Dirt didn't want pic's posted of her pussy she wouldn't put them on the internet in the first place

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  7. Binding permanently crushes the breast tissue, just like foot-binding.
    http://www.myseveralworlds.com/2007/07/11/suffering-for-beauty-graphic-photos-of-chinese-footbinding/

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  8. Google it, smart ass. Garramone "marks" FTMs and real FTMs know it.

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  9. Seriously though most of what comes from this blog is just propaganda so just saying he marks them isn't going to scare me when I can go out and look at the results and see that nipple placement is totally the same as cis-men's nipple placement.

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  10. why you keep coming back then if it's propaganda?

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  11. Frankly, I am straight but I would never let an artifical dick like this in my vagina how sexy can the dick owner be...

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  12. I keep coming back to see what kind of crazy "logic" you are trying to use this week.

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  13. @Anon 11:14am

    As women our gentials are always being judged. Aka, if our vaginas are too big, not even, shaved, not shaved, ect. Hell we even have that vaginal reconstruction surgery now! Lucky Us! So frankly, The vagina is always being looked and critiqued and told that its ugly because it does not fit into what a males vision of what a vagina should be like.

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  14. wow. Too insane for words...I suppose this kind of self-mutilation is akin to breast augmentation or surgical penis enlargement? All of it feeds the male standard somehow? But what about the preference among hetero women for larger penis's - wouldn't this be feeding the hetero female standard?

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  15. "But what about the preference among hetero women for larger penis's - wouldn't this be feeding the hetero female standard?"

    I don't know where you fish your information (don't believe all what you see in porn movies) but as a straight woman I can tell you it is not the size that matters but to find partner whose dick diameter fits.

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  16. lena,
    as a straight woman you do not speak for all hetero woman. As to where I "fish" for my information, look at any medium of popular hetero culture and you will find a preference among most straight woman for a man on the larger, rather than smaller side. And as to you looking for a man according to whether he "fits"...I'm not even going to go there.
    Anyway, if anyone can answer those questions for me, thanks.

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    1. "Popular hetero culture" is largely owned and run by men. Big dicks and muscles are representative of what men have decided women find attractive, not what women actually do find attractive. They value big dicks, so they assume we must or should too. Question answered.

      - signed, another straight woman.

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  17. "Female transition isnt about being "born male" in a female body, it is about the development of a distorted self image based in female self hatred from growing up in a misogynistic society that values male over EVERYTHING female! "

    I agree whole heartedly. After years of thinking about transitioning, out of this uncomfortable body, it became clear to me that "Of course I was born in the wrong body, I'm female!" So, I have embraced my body, as much as I can. I have no problem with people altering their bodies, no problem what soever. I have a problem with the TRANS narrative. The "I was born into the wrong body" talk. No one was "born into the wrong body". We are all born into the body we are born into (The correct body), and it's up to us to negotiate that gracefully. Some of us change our bodies with tatoos or breast implants or breast reductions, or we work out to find a shape we like. I have NO problem with that. Just don't try and get me to believe some magical fantasy that you were born into the wrong body. It's just nonsense.

    Even if you have diff chromosomes or whatever, even if there are a jazzillion studies that show trans people are diff brains, etc... still not the wrong body. It's just your body. Do with it what you want. But, really, born into the wrong body? Such magical thinking!

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  18. Those doctors are Mengeles. They experiment on women the reconstructive techniques they want to test for men. They use those FTM as guinea pigs.

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  19. amen sillyme!

    it's all mental.

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  20. People can judge my pussy all they want. At least it's real and all mine.

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  21. Lol it looks like a sausage instead of a penis.

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    1. wonder what u look like probably like a dickhead stfu

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  22. So is this a blog about feminism... because it looks more like the blog of a self-loathing closeted transman..

    nothing you do is going to stop the trans movement.

    we're here, we're a different kind of queer, get used to it!

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    1. Yep cos anyone who doesn't conform to gender stereotypes must be a "closeted trans". You really have no understanding of how misogynistic this is, do you lol.

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  23. "because it looks more like the blog of a self-loathing closeted transman.."

    That's trans logic. Beyond sanity.

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  24. Well, it's not all mental... it's social, and it's misogyny and it's about gender... gender is a construct. Our bodies are real. If gender is a construct, call yourself whatever you want. Just don't try and make me believe magical thinking... I'm fine with folks transitioning, changing their bodies. But, don't slam me if I call you she because for 30 years I've know you as female. or because, as much as you try, you still look like a she. Remember, gender, the perception of sexual identity, is a construct. It serves the larger society.

    People diet, weight lift, tattoo... not much different. They wear clothes that make them feel more or less comfortable.

    Basically, it's the trans narrative that I have trouble with.

    When I was growing up, I wanted to be a boy. Boy's could be more rough house, they could pee standing up (I really wanted that as a kid) and I saw how boys got to do more things, were not taught to be scared of the night, etc... Of course I wanted to be a boy. I still don't exactly feel like a woman... I feel female. Because I have a pussy. But, I'm not the norm. The way I dress, they way I walk through the world. It can be uncomfortable.

    Anyway, I'm not saying it's all in the head. It surrounds us, this pressure to fit in. I feel bad for these kids jumping into transition so young. I feel even worse hearing someone tell me this trans narrative about how they are in the wrong body.

    Now, I don't have the same understanding about M to F trans folks. I don't really understand that as well. Seems kinda similar, but different. In terms of how misogyny works with that transition.

    But, carry on!

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  25. Anon@1:57,

    You are 100% female, born, raised and existing now, get used to it, cuz no amount of cosmetics can or will ever change that.

    Try actually liking yourself, will take such a terrible load and burden off your shoulders.

    dirt

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  26. "look at any medium of popular hetero culture and you will find a preference among most straight woman for a man on the larger, rather than smaller side."

    As if hetero culture weren't all about what MEN think is best, what they think we want, what they make us believe we should want, etc. When you have a group of straight women feeling comfortable around each other and safe to share their experiences without being judged, you see the cruel truth of het culture.

    Seriosly, women's sexual pleasure depends mostly on clitoral stimuli and most women rarely have pleasure with penetration. Because in het culture penetrative sex is violence, force, big size based.

    The fact is that we can have WAY more pleasure with a finger than with a penis, even because it's articulated. ;)

    I'm not saying penises are inherently unpleasureble, but in our culture the way men use them is not good for us.

    About the pics, I feel sorry for these women and madly angry with this medicine. And yes, I would never let that thing in my vagina.

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    1. Penetrative sex is the form of bdsm that isn't recognized as such. Therefore, since it is considered "normative" sex in this society, women are taught to hide the fact that it causes pain, not pleasure, not orgasm (orgasm comes from the clit, not the vagina), and straight men glorify having big penises and banging women hard because many of them are sadistic.

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    2. That's nuts. You can have a G Spot orgasm from penetration. At least I can. And I like reasonably large penises.

      -Straight woman

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  27. When I get my top surgery, I'm not going to (a) post pictures of it on public websites; (b) go to the beach and take my shirt off; or (c) try to "fool" anyone into thinking that's my real, biological chest. I never wear bathing suits anyway; I already have too many scars (unrelated to transitioning).

    It's not always about what the end result looks like. Not for me anyway. I just want to not have to wear a binder and to look like I don't have breasts when I'm wearing a T-shirt.

    You can look and laugh and be disgusted all you want, but it's petty and not constructive.

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  28. Anon,

    The brualization of females through self hatred and the male medical machine, is no laughing matter. And you wouldnt feel the need to bind or get your healthy breast removed if you worked on your self loathing, which doesnt go away even after your breast are gone.

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  29. okay, I'm a butch lesbian and personally I've always felt comfortable in my female body but it wasn't until a few years ago that I truly appreciated that fact. I've had had one friend who decided to transition three years ago... Over the three years I watched my friend go from a neurotic, depressed, alcoholic to a happy, well adjusted man who can actually have a few drinks instead of going overboard.

    during his journey I've gotten to meet many other transmen and a few transwomen... let me tell you that these are some of the most inspiring people I've ever met. Talk about overcoming the odds, it seems like everybody hates transpeople... but in the face of all this hate and bigotry these brave individuals have the courage to take the steps make their short time on this planet worth it. It takes real guts to do what these people have done, unlike the cowardly acts of dirt, who posts pictures of transmen the way you do, you should be ashamed of yourself.

    I know who I am- I'm a butch, a proud feminist, and I'm a very proud trans ally. Go fuck yourself you dirty transphobe.

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  30. Exchanging one drug addiction for another doesnt a happy person make, and supporting or enabling the self hatred of another female or females isnt feminism, it is perpetuating misogyny. The same misogyny that helped to inform and create the self hatred your friend has of herself.

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  31. wow so grown up of you christa. what with the go fuck yourself comment.

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  32. There's only one surgery that transsexuals have access to that isn't linked as an ideal for reconstruction or correction for non-trans people. Yet majority of the people opting to get these surgeries most of the time are transsexuals. Therefore the doctors will use transsexuals to perfect their surgeries.

    Lena is right. Pop culture is hardly right about what people actually think. It's mostly bad stereotyping. We live in a society with a pop culture where we grow up believing that something is wrong with us or someone else. In our society anyone who harbors stereotypical characteristics of the opposite sex is the opposite sex. Untrue. I do believe transsexualism exists. Yet I believe our pop culture is doing more harm than good.

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  33. "meh, transphobes and homophobes deserve to people to tell them to fuck themselves."

    Well fuck yourself.

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  34. Of course transsexualism exist, so does plastic, but neither are natural and both are man made.

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  35. Dirt,

    If you really think "the brualization of females through self hatred and the male medical machine, is no laughing matter," then have the courage of your convictions and delete the comments that are derisive. And stop putting images of transpeople's bodies on display to become targets for your derisive little fan club.

    If you don't do those things, then you're allowing other people to look and laugh and by virtue of your non-monitoring of those comments, condoning them.

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  36. Anon27,

    The proof (the brualization of female transitioners) is in the pudding (images of that brualization).

    And if you do not like how this blog operates, try reading blogs that you do.

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  37. Dirt,

    Nice little dodge there.

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  38. I dont dodge or weave, I say it plain.

    dirt

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  39. I find your blog interesting. Its somewhat frustrating and tantalising knowing that other people have managed to overcome a psychological split between mind and body. I don't know if I ever will. I have been happier since I stopped hating myself for having these feelings, thats all I know. It doesnt mean my mind and body have to match in fact I've got to the point where it doesnt matter if they dont. Maybe this is a compromise?

    I still think about having a breast reduction and dont understand why people are freaking out about scarring? The risk of death under anaesthesia or post op seems to be the main case against non essential surgery!? Fixating on aesthetics is just what people accuse transitioners of doing.

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    1. Hard to take photos of anaesthesia, but yes, I agree it should be your #1 reason NOT to do it. You can recover from internalized misogyny and body hate. You can even learn to live with your surgically altered self if you decide you're not trans later. But nobody can recover from or learn to live with dying on an operating table.

      I think the purpose of these photos isn't to claim that the questionable end result is the primary reason not to do it. It's to refute the common trans assertion that transition will make a person look just like their target sex. There are a lot of people who have really unrealistically-optimistic ideas about the extent you can transform your body through surgery and hormones, and not a lot of people stepping up to refute that. At the end of the day, you can't reassign your sex, period. So what's the point of these surgeries??

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  40. "Female transition isnt about being "born male" in a female body, it is about the development of a distorted self image based in female self hatred from growing up in a misogynistic society that values male over EVERYTHING female!"

    Ok, wait. What does that make male to female transition then? They grew up in the same misogynistic society after all, and there are as many transwomen out there as there are transmen, albeit more shy to be "out on proud" on the internet.

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  41. interesting moive

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP8oMq2Ft1o

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  42. ^the full movie, for those who seek to actually understand this phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/user/AllSortsOfStuff101#p/c/DB0AD06F550E4B01/0/Y3s8nsu_E1s

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  43. here's part one... people should watch it all the way through to get some perceptive

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  44. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBtCyYPp1Bg

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  45. "Female transition isnt about being "born male" in a female body, it is about the development of a distorted self image based in female self hatred from growing up in a misogynistic society that values male over EVERYTHING female! "

    I so agree with THAT. I hated being a girl when I was a kid, cuz girls did boring things like play house or dressup in feminine clothes and such, and I preferred androgynous/boys clothes, sports, climbing trees, fighting, taking up my space, exploring, bike riding, ice hockey, baseball and karate....I was NEVER feminine, ever since I rejected dolls at age 7, the idea of marrying a man or having a baby at age 12(yuck), ect. ect. ect., a tomboy who grew up and came out in a vibrant Lesbian culture with other Butches who were PROUD FEMALES and we were gonna have the Women's Revolution, and all be able to be strong Amazons and strong women, like Dirt, and TAKE UP OUR POWER AND SPACE. We were gonna create our women's lands and be completely and totally FREE.

    To me wearing a breast binder is just as oppressive as wearing a bra. I have large sized breasts, as a Butch it has been hard for me to accept them, and I always wanted smaller ones...but I let them fly free and close to my body, unbound by either bra or binder which would never fit at my size anyway!

    It's so easy to hate the female body, we've been TAUGHT that, and then many are victimized in the female body, while acceptable roles in outside society even to this day are so limiting and Butches are STILL so invisible in most areas of work, they're either made to femme up to keep a job, or to transition to male to be more acceptable. There is very little in between to be FULLY BUTCH, FULLY Employed, and FULLY ACCEPTED. Even gay men, and effeminate gay men have more power than Butch Dykes, are far more on T.V., have their cutesy shows on Logo, and cater to feminine mostly straight women in many fields where they make good money: hairdressers, interior design, the fashion industry, hollywood, and even high tech....though there are Butch Dykes in construction, we are the last hired and first laid off...and the eye candy, even if we are hard workers, is kept on.....even though we were the first to break into construction and other male dominated field, after our ground breaking, when more feminine women come in, we are pushed to the back yet AGAIN!
    Same in sports, and in other programs. Expected to be in the closet, to conform, to feminize, or to 'pass' as male.

    Thusly so many are open to transition just because they weary of the struggle, and because there is no strong powerful Lesbian Feminist movement saying 'you can be ANYTHING you want, in your female body, however you express your femaleness' supporting us, all our bookstores and many of our lesbian spaces and places, sadly gone...for the great queerification.....
    -MasterAmazon
    No wonder they transition...but like the film Dirt showed of the actual process, it is nothing short of genital mutilation, which is being done to women all over the world....for the patriarchy!

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  46. "^the full movie, for those who seek to actually understand this phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/user/AllSortsOfStuff101#p/c/DB0AD06F550E4B01/0/Y3s8nsu_E1s"

    Thanks. That was very interesting.

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  47. these guys look great! congrats to all of them!

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  48. Anonymous said...
    The weird thing is that this blog continues to perpetuate the idea that transpeople are unhappy people. Sure, they have extra stressors in their lives due to hate, discrimination... this blog, etc. GID is uncomfortable, sure.

    Happiness comes from within. Transpeople have chest reconstructions or bottom surgery for form and function- not happiness. If a person, and we're going to use person since you feminists are so insistent in your hypocrisy that gender doesn't exist (while simultaneously insisting transwomen are men), wants to not have breasts or wants smaller breasts or wants huge breasts... it's a personal decision. It's not mutilation for a transwoman to get breast augmentation anymore than it would be for any other woman.

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    Feminists aren't the only ones who insist gender doesn't exist. I first heard it from transsexuals. Ironically they were the ones transitioning over this made up social construct. It made me confused.

    I thought the form and function of surgeries would make a transperson happy with themselves. That's what most tell the doctor. So it won't because nothing can eliminate extreme body self-hatred one suffers from except for oneself rather than one's hormones/surgeries?

    Well, I try to understand but I'm lost.

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    1. "It's not mutilation for a transwoman to get breast augmentation anymore than it would be for any other woman."

      A transwoman isn't a woman, but I agree with you otherwise. Anyone who gets cosmetic breast augmentation is mutilating themselves.

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  49. sillyme stop being a closeted trans man and dirt you are a dumb fuck you are so stupid. your arguments are ridicules thats like me saying you are only a lesbian because you want to be more like a man. why is it that children who are free to act, and dress however they want not forced into a female gender role still are FTMs? why is it that there aere trans people in societies where there are no distinct gender roles? if your right wouldnt these things not be true? you might be one of the most ignorant people on the planet, you are fueling hate, and you should check me out on youtube "anibioman". try hating on me, i can take it and i will school you with my intellect every time.
    -Parker

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  50. I really want to punch you in the face right now.

    Maybe you should go be born again with a dick and see how it feels.

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  51. Anon - 8:27.

    You know the exact reason why it is different. I do agree that we aren't drugged by our ovaries or balls. But female bodies taking levels of estrogen that are ideal to fit her female body by standards of other females isn't the same. Plus having medically necessary surgery for something as painful as endometriosis is different from optional surgeries of transsexuals (I say optional as some do not wish to have surgeries or even hormones).

    Parker - Can you illustrate where there are trans people in areas where there aren't any distinct gender roles? As transgender sole existence derives from gender. Sounds contradictory. Plus there's nowhere in our society today where a child (sadly) cannot freely act as themselves without gender influence. We gender our children even before they are born. Why else do we constantly have gender conversations and discussions about confusion and lack of acceptance. We don't even have to get into transsexualism, GID, or BID.

    And why do you want Dirt to visit your youtube page if you think she's so stupid????

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  52. It's not mutilation for a transwoman to get breast augmentation anymore than it would be for any other woman.

    This is called begging the question. Or putting the cart before the horse. It assumes that "maleTOtranz is female" is a true statement without ever proving it to be true.

    Hmmm, just think about that phrase for a moment and let the non-logic sink in: "maleTOtranz is female". Logically, male cannot ever be female, male can only approximate female -- and what can be derived from that is quite interesting, such as:

    No matter how large or small or beautiful or misshapen a body part happens to be which is located on a female, as long as the original body was female then any protuding limb or interior organ is still female. By the same token, no matter the shape of the body part on a male, no matter how closely it has been altered to approximate that of a female, it is still male.

    oh crap I'm sorta rambling Dirt! But at least half the problem regarding transgenderism if not all of it, is this wacky non-logical idea that the body sex MUST MATCH this brain sex.

    Why the fuck does it have to match? Come on folks, explain it to me, we have a discreptancy here! Even IF (and that's a big IF) brain sex existed it still would not "have to" match the biological sex of the body. Who told you it has to match? Old-fashioned patriarchal sexism told you it had to match, nobody else.

    A female can feel like expressing traditional boyish traits, and that still doesn't mean she's male (or a man). It means she is uncomfortable with conforming to the gender role which was imposed on her by society. Be strong, resist conformity!

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  53. It's a fabrication to assume feminists are saying that male and female bodied people at birth must stay within their assigned gender role. Feminists believe that people can express themselves however they want, without having to stay within restrictive boundaries.

    The only distinction is that feminists also say that you don't have to declare yourself male just because you prefer doing traditional boyish things. You are simply another one of the six billion females on this planet who likes to do tradionally boyish stuff. There's no need to mutilate your body in order to conform to old-fashioned sexist gender expectations.

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  54. You're calling it mutilation because you believe trans people are doing this because you think we think we HAVE to present and live as male in order to make society happy when we are doing it to make ourselves happy. I've lived in a female positive community my entire life and that didn't stop me from having GID.

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    1. Why were you unhappy in your healthy female body? Do you think that we should tell other women unhappy in their healthy bodies to change their bodies instead of changing their minds? Liposuction for anorexics, limb amputation for BIID, that kind of thing?

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  55. Can you imagine what havoc that must wreak internally? Holy crap! And it doesn't even function or do anything!

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  56. ButchandHappyNoneedtotransitionApril 6, 2011 at 2:52 AM

    We all wish most transgenders (spacially the trendsetters posting hateful comments on this blog) would be as respectful and open minded and keen to understand Butches as Carson:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQWocAQYStE

    The video is called: "Butches are The Shit". Thanks Carson for putting back Butches and their braveness upfront.

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  57. "The only distinction is that feminists also say that you don't have to declare yourself male just because you prefer doing traditional boyish things."

    So, what if you're a transman that isn't really interested in "traditional boyish things"?

    It's not about interests. To try to boil gender down to a ticklist of interests and hobbies is simplistic and unhelpful.

    Being trans is not about what your hobbies are, it's about feelings, and feeling wrong in your body. And I appreciate that *lots* of people have feelings of wrongness in their bodies, for lots of reasons. Some can be sorted with good therapy, some can't.

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  58. Tell a woman who has been beaten and/or raped, against her will, that a surgery that someone CHOSE is violence against women. I'm sure she'd agree wholeheartedly.

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  59. @LM,

    There are whole groups of women who fight against FGM the world over, so whats your point?

    dirt

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  60. No to mention, it has LONG been concluded that the knife is nothing more than a phallic replacement used when the penis cannot be. Think about it. It isnt a MALE medical machine for nothing.

    dirt

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  61. I think someone in the last open post asked why so many FTM don't get lower surgery, and said something about the fact that many don't proves that they're faking or something... Well, this is why. The options out there for lower surgery simply aren't good. You either have this.. thing, which doesn't even look like a penis and doesn't function, or you get something that works but is usually barely 3 inches long. It's not that FTM who don't get lower surgery aren't serious about transition, some are just willing to hold out until better options are available.

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  62. I am female bodied and since I was born my body has always had a hard time producing estrogen. So, when I was younger I had to take estrogen pills. Now I no longer take them for various reasons. Naturally my body produces low amounts of estrogen and high amounts of T. Is the Male Medical Machine wrong for ever putting me on estrogen in the first place?

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  63. @LM
    You are assuming things. My feminist teacher who is a survivor of both disagrees with you.

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  64. ButchandHappyNoneedtotransition said...
    "We all wish most transgenders (spacially the trendsetters posting hateful comments on this blog) would be as respectful and open minded and keen to understand Butches as Carson:"


    Carson Rader is the most fucked up trannys in the transtrending world.

    She's bipolar and a compulsive liar yet says everyone else has mental issues.

    She stalks her ex transboyfriends and then says they are the ones stalking her. She even gets her friends to believe her and then they make videos. Pathetic videos at that.

    She accuses her ex of horrible mental abuse. Funny how 4 of them say she was the abusive person. That she lied all the time, loved to play head games, would fucked anything with a dick, fake or real, that got near her. How they saw the real reason why her family feels she needs to be hospitalized.

    Bloated & fake, gossiper & drama starter. "Carson's" fake boyfriend now is his fiance. No one is buying it.

    She screws over near everyone who comes into contact with her in the past few years online. Next victim, Mainely Butch, but she's so messed up herself, saying how she doesn't love her girlfriend and continues to pine for her Utah slut, that maybe those 2 are meant for each other.

    Carson is a disgusting person inside and out. She likes butches and lesbians? Only if they can do something for her like fight her online battles and believe in her fake boyfriend Sean and post some videos about her ex's. Shes only concerned with who she can trap into her sick world. When she's used them for all that is needed "see ya later" or she'll find something you didn't say perfectly and then call you every name in the book, tell a butch of lies about you and stalk your videos and blogs being cruel.

    If anyone watches her public videos and think something seems off or odd, you should see her private ones. "Carson" is everything that is wrong with the FTM community.

    No matter what name SHE goes by, Carson Rader, Cyborgmanifesto, duplicatekeys, since making her first video in June 2008, she's hurt, stalked, abused more people than the average nutjob online.

    Try not to believe everything that you see and hear on there. She's full of shit. Ask around the community.

    Dirt, it might be a good idea to take note of the serious mental health issues that are rampant in the FTM community. They are the scariest, most violent, posing group of people. Bipolar is one disorder seen over and over in their videos.

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  65. Anon@9:57,

    If you body functioned perfect normal and you had no healthy issues and you were put on E (which is known to cause cancer), then YES.

    dirt

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  66. Anonymous April 6, 2011 9:07 AM

    No. I didn't imply that FTMs were faking in transition just confusing. I wondered if the lack of bottom surgeries had to do with appearance. It's just confusing when coming from individuals who insist that they need hormones and top surgery to even live, "But I don't need a penis to me a man." That's confusing to people. Sounds optional vs. necessary. But you're saying there's a lack of medical appealing bottom surgeries not a lack of bottom dysphoria so trans people are just coping and waiting for something better. Gotcha. And from the looks of the surgeries I can see why it isn't common practice yet.

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  67. ButchandHappyNoneedtotransitionApril 6, 2011 at 11:46 AM

    @Rachelle.
    Thanks for this new perspective. In the meantime, I have seen she tries to position herself as the "anti-Dirt" which is stupid but could be seen as a desesperate attempt to find new crusades and so a positioning on the crowed LGBTQI market...
    PS: I suspected "Sean" was not real as she has no photo to show.

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  68. @Dirt, do you have meta results to show us?

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  69. "Tell a woman who has been beaten and/or raped, against her will, that a surgery that someone CHOSE is violence against women." I'm sure she'd agree wholeheartedly.

    Using a theoretical experience that doesn't even belong to you to predict a woman's judgment upon ftm surgery is asinine. In fact I do know many victims of rape and violence and they do not liken that experience to ftm surgery at all. Not even in the slightest. You are being inflammatory and you must be an idiot to make this kind of statement.

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  70. You know what's amazing? These people in these photos you've decided to post. They're proud enough of their transition to post photos of their top surgeries and bottom surgeries, and no amount of your blogging, or in better terms, shit-talking with the use of a great vocabulary with some feminist talk thrown in to try to make your point, will take away their pride.

    Their chests may not look "male enough" for you, but they're happy and quite frankly, their results are wicked rad.

    Their penis' may not look "normal" but there are many men born with penis' that don't look "normal" and that doesn't take away from their, possibly, great personality and anyone who is disgusted by them doesn't have to have sex with them because there ARE people who don't care about physical appearance and will still love them for them.

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  71. Ryan James DawsonApril 7, 2011 at 11:11 AM

    Dirt @ 2:01pm

    We do like ourselves. We like ourselves as men and choose to have society see us as men so they respond to us the way we expect them to. I for one (and I'm sure many others) suffer from social anxiety because every single person I've ever received me as female and therefore treated me accordingly. I don't say this to insinuate women are treated worse and I transitioned to avoid that. I view myself in a certain way, and when the world reacts to me differently it feels wrong and makes me uncomfortable. Dressing, acting, talking, and being received by others as a female person is like wearing a mask because I'm not being my true self and not being seen as such. Life makes a hell of a lot more sense to me when I dress, act, and feel like a man. And "man" does not have to mean "genetically male." The same goes for the word "woman". A male person has every right to view herself as exactly that: "HERself". "She" "Him" "Man" "Women" are all identities, and do not reflect the sexual anatomy and physiology of a person.

    And transitioning has nothing to do with male privilege or misogyny. Males who transition to women obviously have no problem giving up this "privilege" and I for one, as a male-identified person, love women. I fight for women's liberation in this country and every country. I read feminist blogs like this one. Not because I hate you or anyone who supports you but because I'm interested in your views. Interested because the idea of feminism is about -equality-, not privilege. It's not about hating men or anyone who wants to be a man.

    I agree with feminism. Women should be paid equally, you should be given as much opportunity for ANY job as men, you should not be subjected to rape or domestic abuse, and you should be allowed as much a role in society as men, in any country on this earth. And I proudly participate in awareness events that promote such rights.

    But I don't agree that a female-born person can't feel a strong sense of maleness and decide to reflect that feeling by altering his body. I identified as butch since I came out as sexually attracted to women. But I was never completely fulfilled even though I was as strong-willed and proud as you are. Something was missing.

    And here I am today, living fully as a man and I've never been happier. My anxiety has improved, I'm confident and completely able to interact fully in society. I have no intention of having any alterations of my genitalia, I consider having chest surgery (although my breasts are small and it isn't totally necessary). I will take hormones at least for a few years to masculinize my body, grow facial hair, deepen my voice. It's something I've wanted since before I even knew my condition had a name. And none of this makes me a misogynist. It doesn't make anyone a misogynist no matter how much you insist it does.

    Lastly, I just want to say I respect you. I respect you because you're intelligent, you're strong, and you stand by your convictions. I disagree with you on a lot of your opinions but that sure as hell doesn't make me any better or correct than you.

    That said, I take my leave. Sorry for writing a small novella. I just wanted to express my ideas the same way you've expressed yours. I'll probably stop commenting but I'll keep reading.

    Regards,
    Ryan.

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    1. Ryan, what does it mean to dress, act, talk like a female person? Do you think there are modes of expression that should be restricted to people with male biology?

      'A male person has every right to view herself as exactly that: "HERself". "She" "Him" "Man" "Women" are all identities, and do not reflect the sexual anatomy and physiology of a person.'

      No, I didn't "identify" into being female and I can't "identify" back out of it. I also can't identify out of being a human or a mammal. You can't identify out of biology, and there is no meaning of the word "woman", aside from "adult female human", which doesn't rest on pseudoscience and gender stereotyping.

      'Interested because the idea of feminism is about -equality-, not privilege.'

      Where does inequality come from? If there is an inequality between two groups, where one unjustly has more benefits than the other, what do you refer to the "extra benefits" that are received by one group and not the other?

      "But I don't agree that a female-born person can't feel a strong sense of maleness and decide to reflect that feeling by altering his body."

      What does it mean to have a "strong sense of maleness"? Did you feel as though your body was truly male? If so, what did you "transition" from and why did you need to?

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  72. lesbianplusfeministApril 7, 2011 at 1:25 PM

    Ryan, you are confirming what Dirt and other feminists are saying about why females-assiged-at-birth transition. That difference in the way people treat you when you are perceived as male vs. female? It's the result of gender roles. Besides run-of-the-mill things (like medical care) that have to do with anatomy, gender roles and the gender expectations that go with them are the only reason why people treat males differently than females. There is no other reason to treat males and females differently. There is no "way to treat/perceive males" vs. a "way to treat/perceive females" outside of patriarchy, and the way people treat and perceive males is almost always better than the way females are treated and percieved.

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  73. exactly to post above!

    And Ryan- sorry but you really just confirmed exactly what most of us that post on this site already suspected- and what many of us feel.

    the real fight is getting society to treat you how you want to be treated without YOU ALTERING ANYTHING. you should be treated the way you are wanting AS IS. changing yourself to then be treated how you want and what feels all comfy to you is THE WHOLE ISSUE. if all butches fought hard for this together united- maybe we would get closer to this.

    but alas- some opt out.

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  74. Being trans is not about what your hobbies are, it's about feelings, and feeling wrong in your body.

    Well, some trans say they "feel like" the opposite sex (and it is actually OPPOSITE, there's only two biological sexes) while others appear to be focused on the body part itself in the same way the amputee folks fixate on certain body parts. Still other trans seem to be aroused at the thought of themselves as the opposite sex. So while the exact reason will differ depending on the individual, none of the reasons ever make any sense or most importantly, prove that they really ARE the opposite sex.

    But I came in to wonder why the faux penis is always a lighter color in all these pictures. It should be the same color as the rest of the body. Is it because the skin is already in the process of dying? Not getting enough oxygen through the capillaries would cause that.

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  75. I googled before I asked that last question but couldn't find anything. And was also wondering about the tissue inside the faux penis -- where does that come from? Google says it's just rolled up skin.

    Er, it's rolled up skin! Not even regular flesh-type tissue (the kind that's underneath the skin), just a big patch of skin taken from somewhere else and rolled up, and then yet another layer of skin on top. No wonder the thing rots off frequently. It's bound to get an interior infection.

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  76. Skin is designed (or evolved) to remain on the OUTSIDE of the body. Skin has pores, remember, and just think about what would happen to skin with permanently sealed pores. But if the tissue inside the faux penis is to remain viable, then it has to be oxyogenated by the capallaries. So it's "healthy" skin tissue which is rolled into a tube shape and then sealed up in a dark moist place and finally trapped under yet another layer of skin.

    I don't see how ANY faux penis wouldnt' rot off. Yes, I am now fascinated, sorry. :)

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  77. "the real fight is getting society to treat you how you want to be treated without YOU ALTERING ANYTHING. "

    I actually don't think you can isolate this from the physical experience of transitioning. I mean, Christ, if it were all about social stuff then what you are saying makes sense. But there is a much more visceral and physical experience in transitioning. It was the physical changes I wanted! If I just wanted social power, I'd have gone off to womyn-land long ago, where I would have been applauded for dominant behavior and simultaneously supported by my sisters in my constant victimhood!

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  78. lesbianplusfeministApril 8, 2011 at 4:51 AM

    But there is a much more visceral and physical experience in transitioning. It was the physical changes I wanted!

    THE SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT YOU ARE IN/GREW UP IN AFFECTS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR BODY, INCLUDING WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR BODY AND WHAT YOU INTERPRET AS FEELING PHYSICALLY GOOD/BAD, WRONG/RIGHT.

    Take tattoos and piercings. They hurt, and sometimes endanger one's health, so why do people get them? People who are socialized in a environment where that type of personal expression is prized, where not caring about small or moderate amounts of physical pain is considered positive because it means you are tough or strong, where tattoos and piercings are considered cool...they don't care so much about the pain. The physical feeling of the pain may be a rush to them, whereas it's just pain to someone who doesn't share their psychological/sociological perspective on body mods. In the U.S., before tattoos became mainstream, they were prized by sailors, prison inmates, and bikers - ALL communities in which being tough and able to withstand pain are valuable attributes. Ever watch documentaries about those small, isolated tribes where people have bones throught their nose or whatever as fashion and wonder how the hell they can stand to do that? Their tribe socialized them to THINK AND FEEL that the pain is no big deal. Your state of mind can affect how you interpret your bodily experiences.

    I grew up in the U.S., so that's the only society I can really speak much about. Physical transition here developed in an environment where cosmetic surgery has become more and more mainstream. Celebrities and the media project a perspective that it's ok to surgically alter your body just because you want to. The more people do it, the more other people feel comfortable doing it. The more it's considered shameful, hideous, etc., the less people are going to do it, and those who go through it anyways may not enjoy it as much because the shame or other negative feelings color their experience. If someone watches 100 transguys' youtube videos in which they say that physical transition feels great, or that the pain is worth it, that can affect how someone interprets their experience of physical transition.

    continued...

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  79. lesbianplusfeministApril 8, 2011 at 4:52 AM

    They physical changes experienced during transition come with cultural interpretations of those changes. A flat chest is not just a flat chest, it's a body part that many societies say is ok to show in public, whereas breasts are automatically something sexual, and therefore ought to be hidden. If one hates the idea of having a body that is automatically considered an object of lust, it's not a far cry from the decision to get rid of those breasts, and it's quite easy not to realize that an internalized societal perspective was part of the decision. Nobody goes around explicitly informing people of what society wants and commanding that they do it. Parents pass them along to their children because their parents passed it along to them. Television and movies reflect it. Peers reflect it, or bully and attack those who don't buy into it. One gets so accustomed to it that they no longer realize that there is another way to think about things, and take it as The Truth. If a person doesn't know these basic things about sociology, they are also not likely to realize what is going on. Look at other cultures, especially very different cultures, and it's easy to see that there are very different perspectives about the body than the ones that inform physical transition in the U.S., Western Europe, Thailand, etc.

    Some trans people attempt to increase understanding of being trans with the idea that "trans people have always existed, everywhere," but just how likely is it that there are Kalahari Bushmen or Australian Aboriginals who would jump at the chance to physically transition if they could? Should we take their word that Joan of Arc was trans, when it's WAY more likely that no one would listen to or respect her if she was recognizably female, and that riding into battle is a pain in the ass when you're wearing a dress? Who is pushing this idea that transness is universal? Is it white American transpeople, who have a HISTORY of disrespecting and misunderstanding cultural differences and pushing their cultural perspectives as The Right Way?

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  80. lesbianplusfeminist-

    i <3 you.

    ;)

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  81. L+F, you should post more!

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  82. @Ryan.

    Hun, I agree with some of the other commentators, you really have basically written the feminist argument here. Can you really not see that? I'm not being patronising here, because I really am interested in your answer.

    I don't understand you're thinking babe? Because what you wrote is exactly what the women's liberation movement is built on. The struggle and fight to free ourselves from our female bodies. But it's not our bodies that are the problem!!!!! (Can it be yelled any louder??) It's the way society views, treats and disrespects the female bodied that has been the scurge of human existance since time began. That is the valuing and privilleging of those who are male bodied over those who are female bodied. This is called patriarchy. It is the society in which we have lived and still live, (although fortunately, women are valued more highly than in the past - though transitioning is a threat to this, hence this blog.) And of course you should feel angry about being undervalued because of your female body! Damn right angry! Pissed off! Why wouldn't it make you feel uncomfortable? Why should you as a person be undervalued in the world you live simply because you were 'unlucky' enough to be born femal? Lets' face it women are made to feel from the earliest of ages that we were not the 'lucky' chosen ones in this world. Fuck! Why wouldn't you want to be male?

    There is no denying that being in a male body will allow you to be treated and valued in society to a greater extent then in a female body. This is the imbalance between the genders, the basis for equal rights movements - ie. that everyone, regradless of gender should be equally as important as one another. The woman's movement is borne from the struggle to make this a reality in our society.

    This is why transitioning is a feminist issue. When a young woman transitions she gives up this struggle, she says to the world, "I do not want to fight to be treated equally, I do not want to demand that I am valued as highly as men, .... in fact rather than change society, I will change for it. I will put my body through the most horrific surgeries and chemical poisoning to do so. I will allow doctors to try make me into one of the 'chosen ones'." And so they become like Ryan. Which is sad, I bet you would have made a fantastic fighter against the undervaluing of women in our world! That's what this blog is here to warn. Not to hate. It's factual it's logical and it reminds me of the old adage 'the truth hurts'.

    Ryan, feminism isn't just about equal pay and getting the vote. It's about the treatment of the female form on the whole. I mean do you ever think abou why things are the way they are? Why are women undervalued? Or other things like, why do we live in nations? Why were countries created? Why do we have the economic system we do? Why are some countries rich, why are some so poor? My point is there are underlying reasons for why things are the way they are. Layers and layers of underlying reasons. Including the hatred of your female body. And that is misogyny hun, you can look up the definition in the dictionary.

    Seriously, why do FTM's not get what this blog is about? This is another serious question, I am interested in genuine replies.

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    1. "This is why transitioning is a feminist issue. When a young woman transitions she gives up this struggle, she says to the world, "I do not want to fight to be treated equally, I do not want to demand that I am valued as highly as men, .... in fact rather than change society, I will change for it. I will put my body through the most horrific surgeries and chemical poisoning to do so. I will allow doctors to try make me into one of the 'chosen ones'."

      +1. I feel like FTM and female genderspecials are the "I'm not like the other girls!"" of the modern day.

      I'm not like the other girls because I like to do traditionally-masculine things, because I don't want to wear makeup and dresses and pants without pockets. Because I don't like shopping, because most of my friends are men. Because I think I deserve to be treated with respect and to express myself the way I want regardless of gender roles. Because I think of myself as a full human being instead of "a girl".

      Not like those other girls.

      The ending to this speech used to be "I'm just one of the guys". Now it's, "That's how I know I'm a guy". They want to pull themselves up because they know the way they are being treated is wrong, but instead of working to help pull up all the women being treated the same way, they just do it for themselves and try to pretend there's no overarching problem.

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  83. I totally agree with L+F .... I would also add that it is also the social acceptance of both recreation and prescription drug-taking that informs the transitioning notion.

    There is little stigma today attached to recreational drug-taking in Western culture. And if you are sick, whether physically or mentally, it is common placethinking that the remdey is to take a pill for it ....

    Feeling sad? Blue? Irritable? Here, take a pill.

    Not eating correctly? Have a poor diet? Here have a vitamin.

    It is easy to see how young women today in western societies would see the remedies that transitioning offers to their way of thining and feeling

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  84. @Clare April 9, 2011 3:20 AM



    "Feeling sad? Blue? Irritable? Here, take a pill.

    Not eating correctly? Have a poor diet? Here have a vitamin.

    It is easy to see how young women today in western societies would see the remedies that transitioning offers to their way of thining and feeling"


    This is a really excellent point.
    Transitioning could another manifestation of the trend not to deal with any negative emotions or discomfort, but to medicate and/or cut the source of the discomfort out.

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  85. canadian & clair-

    yay! totally agree. i myself am 95% vegan and put a lot of effort on eating healthy, organic as much as i can afford, etc. i find it incredibly ironic that many of the ftms that i know also are on the whole 'green living, organic' life kick. like wtf!? how can you feel this way and still transition?
    really hard for me to understand.
    be natural!!!!

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  86. I disagree with bottom surgery too.

    I also think you need to seek some serious help. You are not doing shit other than bitching online about FTMs. Instead of being a hate monger, why not try and do something proactive besides spew terrible ideas that are only in your head and your fake followers. Closet case, much?

    Not just that, get a life. Seriously. You must take a hell of a lot of time to search for all these images, taking time to screencap, then crop, then upload.

    Have you ever really thought about how this "personal" blog is nothing more than your insane obsessive interest or closet case problem being seen in the most violent of ways?

    Get help. Seriously. I only check-up on here once in a while to satisfy your stalker needs; but boy oh boy you get just more and more ridiculous each time.

    Thank god I have a sense of humor. /point /laugh.

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  87. I'm sorry but I utterly disagree that there is no such thing as being born in the wrong body and that the desire to transition comes from social factors.

    I hate traditional femininity and I hate being told I'm a nurturer whether I want to be one or not. But I am still a *cisgender female*. I don't have the desire to remove my sexual organs, I have the desire to remove the stupid stereotypes.

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    1. "I hate traditional femininity and I hate being told I'm a nurturer whether I want to be one or not. But I am still a *cisgender female*. I don't have the desire to remove my sexual organs, I have the desire to remove the stupid stereotypes."

      By the current trans community standards, you don't need to want to physically transition to be trans. You can be trans while having no physical dysphoria, just discomfort with your social role. If you look through the different labels, you may find that you are "actually" agender or transmasculine or a demigirl or a demiguy or neutrois...

      This is why I have started to reject the cis label. It means "not trans", but now trans can mean absolutely anything and everything beside 100% conformance to the stereotypes of your birth sex. I do not conform 100% to the stereotypes of my birth sex, and I object strongly to the idea of assuming that everyone not involved in "the trans community" does.

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  88. Jessica, can I ask how you know where the desire to transition comes from if you have never wanted to?

    Theres no doubt social pressure and gender roles cause a lot of unhappiness. What we don't know is:

    Does social pressure cause GID?

    or

    Does it cause depression which mimics some of the symptoms of GID?

    To use BIID as an example, society's obsession with appearance may be exacerbating the disorder but it would still exist without any social pressure because its origins are neurological. GID does *not* rely on 'male' brains and 'female' brains (just as BIID sufferers don't have 'amputee' brains) but possibly a malfunction in the normal working of the brain.

    Jus' throwing it out there.

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  89. @ lena
    "I don't know where you fish your information"
    Lena, look at the evolution of the human. humans have the largest Penis of all the apes, it is beleived that females chose males with larger penisis than smaller ones, so due to this "natural selection" humans now have much larger penisis than any other ape.
    There isnt currently any other explination for the humans unusually large penis.

    as for this post...
    "Female transition isnt about being "born male" in a female body, it is about the development of a distorted self image based in female self hatred from growing up in a misogynistic society that values male over EVERYTHING female!"
    yet we have MTFs... obviously misogyny isnt the case if both males AND females are doing it.

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    1. "There isnt currently any other explination for the humans unusually large penis."

      Not true. The shape of the human penis serves to scoop the sperm of other men away from the cervix. A bigger penis serves as a better scoop, so men with larger penises would naturally have better reproductive success. This might also explain why *men* are largely the ones who obsess over dick size, not women.

      http://evp.sagepub.com/content/2/1/147470490400200105.full

      This alternate just-so story of "women picked it" is pretty confusing. Why would women women pick a longer penis when nearly all of the pleasurable nerve endings in the female genitalia are in the clit and the first few inches of the vaginal canal? The only effect of a too-long penis, on the woman, is that she might get her cervix hammered on, which is not fun.

      (Why is this even a discussion on a lesbian blog though, IDFK.)

      "yet we have MTFs... obviously misogyny isnt the case if both males AND females are doing it."

      Uhhhh says who? You can find both men and women who support FGM, is that not rooted in misogyny now, because both men and women are for it? Or because male circumcision exists?

      People are transitioning because they feel their "personality" or "presentation" doesn't match their biological sex. That can only happen if you have a deep ingrained belief that there is an intrinsic link between personality/presentation and biological sex. Deciding that certain non-biological qualities are intrinsically male or female is called "sexism".

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  90. MTF's only ever transition to hyper-feminine versions of women.

    It is their desire to want wear dresses, make up, feel curvaceous, smooth, don high heels, stockings, pretty jewellery and clothes.

    And there is damn well nothing wrong with that!

    But it does not make them a woman.

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  91. lesbianplusfeministApril 10, 2011 at 3:02 PM

    "yet we have MTFs... obviously misogyny isnt the case if both males AND females are doing it."

    Just because males and females both seek to physically transition doesn't mean that they do it for the exact same reasons. Anything that is tied up with misogyny is going to affect males differently than females because MISOGYNY IS DIRECTED AT FEMALES, NOT AT MALES.

    Both males and females seek other cosmetic surgeries, too, but males don't have nearly as much propaganda directed at them about how they should look. If we were to apply the same sort of argument you are making here, the conclusion would be, "but men get nose jobs and facelifts too, so there's no way that misogyny is a reason for so many womyn getting plastic surgery!" Hopefully, you will recognize that argument would be ridiculous.

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  92. Misogyny informs ALL points of transition.

    dirt

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  93. "MTF's only ever transition to hyper-feminine versions of women."

    Actually, I know several andro and butch MtFs. Likewise, I know a lot of very fem FtMs. It's a spectrum, just like anything else.

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  94. Anon @2:23

    Well, I have never met one. I work in a place that has alot of Transgendered clients and all MTF's I have come in contact (hundreds) are hyper-feminine.

    Until I meet one who is not, I stand by my comment.

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  95. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LDivPOQ2M4

    HIPS DON'T LIE

    And I'm on tonight
    You know my hips don't lie
    And I'm starting to feel it's right
    All the attraction, the tension
    Don't you see baby, this is perfection

    The hips are a dead give-away, every time.

    Can't they just sew a vac-u-loc stump to their crotch? Seems it would be more versatile, they could attach any number of assorted goodies on it. They would have the same sense of feeling --- which is, none. Those skin graft doodadds don't have any sensation for the owner either.

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  96. Hello dirtywhiteboi, I thought you were an ftm because of your appearance and your mail-addy. I'm really astonished that you post to identify as a proud woman. Why then this mail-addy? Why your extreme hair-cut? I am really sorry to say, but as someone you loves women, I think this is a poor performance for a really proud woman.

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    1. "Hello dirtywhiteboi, I thought you were an ftm because of your appearance and your mail-addy. I'm really astonished that you post to identify as a proud woman. Why then this mail-addy? Why your extreme hair-cut? I am really sorry to say, but as someone you loves women, I think this is a poor performance for a really proud woman."

      Fuck you. Hairstyles don't have a sex, and neither does any other part of her "appearance" that you've decided to take issue with. There's nothing "extreme" about the way she looks. Stop drinking the gender kool-aid, it came out of the exact same vat as the rest of the misogyny.

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  97. Anon@3:13,

    Interesting how you completely subscribe to the spoon fed non sensed gender straight jacket of what a woman is, let alone a proud woman, interesting and pathetic, but not surprising.

    dirt

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  98. Clare said...
    "MTF's only ever transition to hyper-feminine versions of women.

    It is their desire to want wear dresses, make up, feel curvaceous, smooth, don high heels, stockings, pretty jewellery and clothes."

    Do you actually believe that? I mean, I know MTFs that prove you wrong right off the bat. Yes, some people treat it as a fetish indulgence and yet others are followers of the TG community nonsense that femininity = femaleness -- but not all. You should not be making generalizations of the entire crowd.

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  99. You phobic fuck.

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  100. I just found this blog and, woe, well, shit, don't really know what to say. I am a lifetime card-carrying member of the butch persuasion. These pics have to be laughed at. If we don't start laughing at this shit a lot of women are going to put a bullet through their brains thinking penis transplant surgery is what they are "supposed" to do. If this weren't so tragic it would be hilarious. I'm finally getting to where I can see it that way, fucking hysterical! Yay! A bunch of years ago the Bangals recorded the song, "Walk Like an Egyptian." Then they spoofed the song and recorded, "Walk With an Erection." This is what they must've been referring to. All due respect, Dirt, this isn't violence against transmen (whatever the fuck a transman is...), this is what irredeemably stupid dorks do to be macho. Wow. Yikes. Think I'd just rather be butch.

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  101. Your an ass hole feminist trans hating lesbian...that's ok cause I am trans and think baby killing lesbian feminist are a bunch of assholes and nuns...it's my body I will adjust it to anyway I see fit...that's why it is MY BODY...SO GO FUCK YOURSELF HATER!!!!!I f you want to be a girl again that can be done too..ya know. Idiot.

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    1. "baby killing lesbian feminist"

      I don't think I can even begin to understand the mind of someone who thinks that a "baby killing lesbian feminist" is a thing that exists. Even if you have confused babies with fetuses, you do understand that lesbian sex cannot result in pregnancy, right? How can you abort a pregnancy that was never conceived?

      Or are you saying there is some trend of lesbian feminists going out and literally killing infant children? Because I've yet to hear of it.

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  102. Funny how you post all the fucked up surgery result idiot....you lesbians suck

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  103. Nazi u only want people to read the negative things you have to say fucking cunt

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  104. It's already been said, but you are a fucking disgrace. A disgrace to the lesbian community, to feminists, to women and to humans at large. You are no better (actually worse) than a homophobic dickhead ranting about "carpet munchers".
    Obviously, your self-loathing and insecurity have reached such a critical level that the only way you can ignore the confusion and pain inside is to spew venom on beautiful transmen who have made the brave decision to transition.
    As a lesbian myself, I'm appalled that you even exist. Hopefully you grow up one day, learn to love yourself and learn to SHUT THE FUCK UP.
    Cheers.

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  105. I'm a woman born woman and I grew up not liking my body either, except when I had my first self motivated orgasm!

    No man can give me what I can give myself and for all the dislike of my body and curiosity of what a male body would 'feel like' I didn't feel the need to lay on an operating table like a side of pork to be diced and sliced to fit some mental image.


    I don't care if ppl modify their bodies but the problem is, well, you just described the problem by posting these photos.

    My girlfriend had breast reduction surgery due to back problems. She's angry now because her scars look like these pics you posted.

    She's now even more unhappy.

    Watching and understanding her through her pain I've learned a valuable lesson: DO NOT CHANGE things unless you have no other option.

    The medical community around this kind of body modding is irresponsible and that's a fact.

    No way would I allow my female child to undergo this. It's a long term solution to what may be, and usually is, a temporary problem.

    I think there's a sort of narcissism involved here with the intense focus on changing the body because you 'feel' something is in the wrong place or something needs replacing with something else.

    Plastic surgery shows are a perfect example of how people get so fixated on one part and their entire lives revolve around it as if it's the most important thing EVER.

    One surgery leads to another and the surgeons get rich.

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  106. Its interesting that the dysphoric angst of absent parts that is trans theorized as a hardwired brain blue print, never includes testicles .

    Balls are synonymous with maleness. Males constantly refer to them, even more often than their penises. and in a broad spectrum of contexts.

    Yet their inclusion in genital dysphoria and surgical fashioning seems only a minor finishing touch.

    What about the missing balls?

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  107. I am so glad now I listened to everything in me never to get surgery. I would do anything to save other young women from this wretched, terrible lie that mutilation and self loathing are just dandy. These men are fucking mad scientists just thrilled to chop up female bodies and shove T into us to fix our persistent case of living while female. It's the same old femicidal shit with shiny new marketing. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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  108. I agree with you on this 100% Dirt

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  109. While I truly do respect everyone's right to their view and opinion, for me, being a FTM transgender is simply a deep want to look like a man. There isn't any fancy idea of being treated like one, or differently than I have been treated my whole life, but feeling more at home or comfortable with my own body. And before it's suggested, I don't mean that in any reflection or backlash or anything really having to do with societal constructs, but I mean it in the most simplest physical terms. For me, being female-bodied feels awkward physically. Not socially. In fact, I have been told I used to be a knock-out and had many social interactions throughout my life that might be perceived as priveledged. Where in the work force some might be passed over for job promotions, I was quickly hired/promoted/sought-after. People in most of my social interactions responded kindly to me, were more forgiving, and personally vulnerable. After I began HRT, and more masculine physical changes started to become apparent, a lot of that went away. There was a small phase where those around me were intensely curious; so there was a lot of new, unexpected attention there. And then there were several cases where longtime friends, 18plus years, stopped speaking to me abruptly and painfully. Of my 3 younger sisters, only 1 has spoken to me in the last 8 months. The 2 others have found it easier somehow to hold past unrelated grievances against me now that I've come out fully and started transitioning. Yet, curiously, through all this, my personality and the way I live my life has hardly changed. The only exception being that I actually care more about taking care of myself in healthier ways than I have in the past. Watching what I eat, working out, sleeping better, so forth.
    Yes, there is the obvious argument against this, the 'why couldn't I love my female body as it was and accept it and be healthier that way, etc' and honestly, I don't have a concrete answer for that. It really wasn't because I felt undervalued or objectified or pigeonholed or anything else while presenting as female. It wasn't a response to a lopsided gender role of a society. I happen to think all people are beautiful and wonderful in their own ways.
    And yet.....my body feels more physically MINE somehow. My breast weigh me down and jiggle when I walk and it makes me feel so Alien in a way I can't describe. So I do bind them. I can run faster and move around easier and I feel more at ease. No more slouching (which I guess I did subconsciously) when I stand, for example.
    I cant speak for anyone but myself, not the trans community or any other community for that matter, and I wouldn't want to disrespect anyone by trying either. In fact, I regularly enjoy and find interest in blogs such as this and other platforms because I value diverse opinions.
    My goal in responding isn't to call anyone out or create any sort of conflict, merely because I endeavor that if everyone who speaks loudly for equality amongst genders or groups would themselves first practice such, perhaps all of the strife would be easily eradicated. I am aware that this comment might employ exactly the opposite of my endeavor, but it is more an observation and not a judgement.
    I don't know if I will pursue any surgeries in the future. I do agree on some levels that some surgeries are harmful or pose risks. MY persuit isn't at all to be treated like a man, in fact, if anything, I am finding that I'm being disregarded now entirely by some and treated the same as always by others. This is for me, a personal journey of self that yes, admittedly does Affect others around me, but as it makes me happy, I can't imagine, in the long run, how that is so wrong.
    If the goal is to constantly grow and evolve and love ourselves for who we all are, why is it a bad thing to learn to love myself as however I interpret a man to be?
    Thank you for all the enjoyable reading. Wishing everyone well,

    Micah

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  110. In any case, there's many ways to be true to your own self that doesn't stop other people from the right or journey to find themselves as well. I don't know if you'll post these comments, but I wanted to add a few more statements, if that's alright. I don't need to adopt a label or join a community or specific movement to love myself. Though I stated earlier I identify as a ftm transgender man, so it might seem contradictory. I was simply choosing the closest identifiable description afforded me. It seems a bit much, I can admit, in the news, media, within the LGBT community - the proclaimation of Trans. It seems to be everywhere nowadays and I can admit to being periodically exasperated by it all. To me, it doesn't seem very dissimilar to the gay rights movement or any past progression towards seeking acceptance that has occurred over the years. The hype will die down and it should. It's merely a struggle and effort to be recognized and accepted like all the significant others and for that reason, it is important.
    You are allowed and should be respected for looking a certain way and being treated as the woman you know yourself to be. Who you are - who anybody is - is something to be celebrated, not exploited, dismantled or analyzed.
    This strange effort put forth to do as such intrigues me, but it doesn't dissuade me in my own personal transition goals. Nor am I offended, as I have come to read of many across the web. Moreso, you remind me of my friends I mentioned who no longer speak to me, Dirt. Propaganda aside, what do you stand for as a person on this planet, amongst so many millions of souls? What profound, if any, impact do you wish to leave imprinted upon people?
    It's clear you are intelligent and a good force to be reckoned with, when it comes to your beliefs (an admirable quality, steadfastness is quality stuff),and by no means am I suggesting to alter your views. I suppose I wish to understand them. And maybe it's for selfish reasons, because of my lost companions. I suspect that's part of it.
    Part of it, too, I think, is just all you. Why dedicate yourself so entirely to something so extreme? I understand your agenda but not so completely your execution, if I may.
    Sorry if I overstepped.

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