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Saturday, April 23, 2011

Some basic Facts about Female Transition FTMs dont want you to know

1) Females who transition are NOT feminist.

2) Transition never ends. You will need to take drugs the rest of your life.

3) The drugs you take have no long term studies and have been linked to many different cancers.

3) You will never be male.

4) Dysphoria, body and sexual will return to a greater or lesser extent once the trans high wears off. More often than not, the dysphoria will become worse.

5) If you had depression issues before you began transition, like dysphoria, once the trans high wears off, depression will return.

6) Synthetic testosterone WILL change your personality. You will become a different person.

7) There is a good chance your sexual orientation WILL change.

8) All trans related surgeries will leave mutilative scars.

9) You will never escape your female biology. Your body, no matter the years on drugs, no matter the surgery, your body will continue in essential ways appearing and functioning as female.

10) You will lose your ability to feel deeply, including the ability to cry when needed. You will feel separated from your true self.

If you have other basic facts, leave them in the comments and I will add them.

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  1. ehh, its better than being a women i guess ;p

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  2. Thank you Bliss for the confirmation on number 1.

    dirt

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  3. "3) The drugs you take have no long term studies and have been linked to many different cancers."

    If there have been no long term studies how does anyone know if it has been connected to different cancers or 3/4ths of the other "self opinionated" entries you made, which have no basis or foundation?

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  4. @Anon 11:48, rent or buy the documentary "gendernauts" by Monika Treut. All the effects of T are explained.

    See there: http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/34/gendernauts.phS

    http://www.amazon.com/Gendernauts-Susan-Stryker/dp/B000BVM23Q

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  5. 11/ Transitioning is being conservative not innovative, not different, not underground. It is just a boring reproduction of the most conservative society ever.

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  6. 12/ Transition is not trendy anymore (or maybe still in Arkansas but they discovered tribal tattoo lately so ;)

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  7. I'm not into men and I have been on T for almost 2 years. I have no desire to be with a man. Never have and never will.

    I'm the same person I was pre-T...Loving, kind, generous, passionate, considerate, humorous, compassionate, fun loving, smart, shy, etc...

    I think you are basing this all on what you THINK and not facts.

    You don't have to take testosterone for the rest of your life. Where did you come up with that one???

    How'd you come up with that T causes cancer if there has been no long term studies on it???

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  8. "7) There is a good chance your sexual orientation WILL change."

    I thought sexual orientation was something you were born with, not something that is controlled by chemical make up within the brain, or something that could be "treated?"

    IF this were the case, could you then "cure" lesbianism or being Gay by merely giving someone Testosterone or Estrogen?

    On this point Dirt, I would have to disagree, as it gives credence to those that would like to "cure" us.

    Sexual orientation is not something that can be altered in the way you suggest, but something that you are born to. I have been a lesbian all of my life, I just did not come into it until I was mature enough to realize what it was, and I can not be "cured" or "altered" by anything. It is who I am.

    IF we go with your thoughts on this, then being Gay is a mental disorder, "curable" with drugs which it is not. It can not be changed by altering one's mind with drugs, be that hormones or psychotropic.

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  9. I agree with Lesbian Femme! Right On!!!!!!

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  10. these trenders on youtube are obviously already the look at me look at me type; but when they take T It's even worse. So you gotta add to the list; it makes you feel like you're cooler than cool drug too.
    xo Femmemystique :)

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  11. Lesbian Femme,

    Sexual orientation doesnt change per se, attraction does, based on the sex the brain thinks it is. Hormones change the brain, therefore a female brain on male hormones thinks its male, if that female is lesbian, her brain on male hormones naturally will change to desiring men.

    dirt

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  12. Is this what you resorted to after your "gay" caveman fiasco? Lying about people's lives?

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  13. "Sexual orientation doesnt change per se, attraction does, based on the sex the brain thinks it is. Hormones change the brain, therefore a female brain on male hormones thinks its male, if that female is lesbian, her brain on male hormones naturally will change to desiring men."

    How in the hell did you come up with that? I have never once desired to be with a man nor would I ever! Testosterone does not change your sexual orientation!!! What you are pulling out of your ass is NOT facts but BS!

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  14. You are such a desperate, pathetic wretch. I don't know a single ftm with cancer, but my fiancé, my aunt and grandmother have all had it. Cancer is a risk of living, and when you get, you have nothing to blame it on but your black heart pumping hate through your veins.

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  15. So, what you are saying is is that if you give a dyke some T then it will cure lesbianism????

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  16. "Lesbian Femme,

    Sexual orientation doesnt change per se, attraction does, based on the sex the brain thinks it is. Hormones change the brain, therefore a female brain on male hormones thinks its male, if that female is lesbian, her brain on male hormones naturally will change to desiring men.

    dirt"

    While I understand what you are trying to say, the logic is still faulty. If this were the case, then a Lesbian could take T and be "straight" just as you point out that "if that female is lesbian, her brain on male hormones naturally will change to desiring men." It is essence a "cure" to something that is not a condition.

    Whether the person is a Lesbian or a Trans, the affect would be the same on a female brain. Give a Lesbian Testosterone, and she begins to "desire" males, give a Transman Testosterone and they begin to "desire" males.

    As you have said before, Transmen are still biologically women, and always will be, so the point is still the same. If the biological make-up is the same between Trans and Lesbians, then the affect of Testosterone would be the same.

    Unfortunately there is no getting around that fact and in stating such, I would think that those who hate us as Lesbians, and wish to change us also would be thrilled to know you have found "the cure."

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  17. Who we are attracted to sexually is a very complicated matter. Some people are "born gay" and others choose it. Some people's sexuality is fluid throughout their life or changes later in life (a lot of straight women become bi or lesbian later in life).

    Given that, it would be ridiculous to assert that we know for certain that hormones DON'T affect sexual orientation. And given the data that many people who transition experience a shift in their sexual orientation, it is a completely reasonable assertion to say that transition may cause previously-absent attraction to men.

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  18. It's true, I am a different person now that I'm taking testosterone.
    I'm no longer so depressed that I don't want to go out, work, see anybody, speak to anybody or actually, even live.
    Now I have a loving relationship, can hold down a job and am no longer a burden on those I love. I no longer rely on anti-depressants (haven't for two and a half years) and no longer need the disability benefit money I used to get because living as female made me a paranoid, anxious agoraphobic wreck.

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  19. Wow you need to get a life, seriously, you are beyond ignorant and have no respect for diversity or for people who are transitioning. You will never know what it feels like until you are going through the experience so I advise you stick your foot where your mouth is and learn to respect people no matter their differences.

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  20. Guess what? YOU don't get to determine who or what a feminist is. I don't see anything feminist about denying yourself what you need.

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  21. Actually transguys have admitted in their own circles that their sexual desires have changed due to T (according to them). So Dirt didn't just make that mess up. I've seen transguys desire each other or other men something they claim they didn't feel before. Talk to those people rather than Dirt on that issue because that's where Dirt got it from.

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  22. HRT does have a risk of cancer. I thought every trans person knew that and were fully accepting of that risk. T does change the brain as well. I think a trans psych student even pointed that out on here. Being in denial about that risk does not help anyone. I think sometimes focusing too hard on trying to discredit Dirt means missing the ball. Let's not go in over our heads folks.

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  23. (shrugs) most of this is actually true, and I have no problem with anybody knowing it.

    (1) FTMs are not radical feminists, which is the only school of feminism recognized on this blog.
    (2) True. Your body will never produce its own testosterone, so if you want to keep a testosterone-dominated hormone balance, you have to keep taking the synthetic stuff.
    (3) You'll never have XY chromosomes, and barring major innovations in medical technology you'll never have a penis. Your body will never be male.
    (4) False, but whatever.
    (5) Transition may partially ameliorate depression, but it is not a cure. If you have depression, you have depression.
    (6) Limited truth. It does have some effect on personality, but you will not become a different person.
    (7) True. No idea why, definitely not true for me - zero interest in women - but some trans guys experience a shift in sexual orientation.
    (8) True. The value judgment probably isn't necessary, but all surgeries leave scars, and the more extensive the surgery, the worse the scarring.
    (9) Well, yeah, your pelvis isn't going anywhere, for one thing.
    (10) Not true. In fact, one of the reasons trans men are often frustrated by the (temporary) loss of the ability to cry in the few months after starting T is *because* they feel deeply and don't know an effective emotional outlet for those feelings other than crying. But yes, it is true that the way in which you feel and express emotions may change on T.

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  24. K,

    This blog, nor myself espouses anything remotely close to "radical feminism", you might want to brush up on your historical feminist knowledge.

    dirt

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  25. http://dirtywhiteboi67.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-radical-lesbian-feminist-front.html

    I think they are getting this from your own blog Dirt. If you have changed positions on the radical part you may want to update it.

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  26. 1) nope, I am not a feminist and I don't claim to be one. One thing I don't understand Dirt, you bitch and bitch about misogyny, why is it so wrong for others to hate women, when you yourself hate men? Hypocrisy much?

    2) yep, I do need to take testosterone for the rest of my life, because I do not produce testosterone myself, a shot a week is no problem for me. I actually quite like needles.

    3)I would rather be happy now and feel my life is worth living, and die later, then to live a long miserable life. I believe in quality, rather then quantity, because everyone dies sometime.

    4)That is a matter of opinion. My lack of penis, and XX chromosomes may mean that I am female to you, and to other people who only see in black and white, but I see the world as something not so simple. I am a man. I was a man before I took testosterone, I am just trying to make myself look like more of one.

    4) where do you get this information dirt? How can you even speak of dysphoria, you claim to be a proud butch women, so you should know nothing of dysphoria. My dysphoria has gotten much better with taking hormones. I look in the mirror and actually feel confidence, I hear my voice and feel like it actually sounds like me.

    5) Depression is depression, if you have it you have it, transitioning wont get rid of it, and no one claims that, and if they do they are dumb.

    6) Again, how do you know this? because you are obviously close friends with many trans men, and you have noticed first hand their personalities changing? My personality is quite the same, other then more confidence.

    7)Who cares? despite what you think, people dont transition so that they wont be seen as gay. I liked men before I took hormones, and I still like men now. As you are a butch lesbian, I find it hard to understand you saying anything negative about someones orientation. Most FTM's who say they have changed from being straight to gay admit that taking testosterone made them more confident in themselves, and more free to admit that they do like men.

    8) no shit, I deal with the cards I am dealt, I can be unhappy and have breasts, or I can be happy and deal with scars, I choose happiness.

    9) you already mentioned this one #3. Like I said, in number 8, I deal with the cards I am dealt.

    10) Yes, it is harder for me to cry, but I hated crying, it made me feel miserable, I feel much stronger now, being able to cry wasn't my 'true self' my true self is the way I am now. My body needed testosterone, and I am much happier and just running better mentally and emotionally for it.

    There you go, words from someone who actually knows what he is talking about, with experience in the matter. Rather then Dirt, who just says whatever she feels like saying.

    Dirt, if you delete this, it proves to me that you know I am right and cant think of anything witty to say.

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  27. in reference to number 8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-atjANVYKE

    i have no scars.

    -renzo

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  28. I see you have deleted my post. having read though it, and read the warning at the end, stating that if you delete it, then I know that you cant think of anything to say. So you agree that you have nothing witty to say, and you know I am right.

    Point Proven. I win.

    I expect this comment will be deleted within a few minutes as well, right Lynn?

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  29. Dirt, I'd be curious to hear more about your take on radical feminism and why you don't consider yourself one. Perhaps a good topic for a future post?

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  30. Dirt reallllllyyy shit the bed on this one. Like, really. Sorry, Dirt, but you're gonna get torn up fo'real.
    You just set yourself up for like 10 different little battles. Soooo curious to see how this goes down.

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  31. @Dirt

    "Sexual orientation doesnt change per se, attraction does, based on the sex the brain thinks it is. Hormones change the brain, therefore a female brain on male hormones thinks its male, if that female is lesbian, her brain on male hormones naturally will change to desiring men."

    that just flat-out doesn't make sense.

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  32. i love how all the feminist supporters you have talk very uneducated.

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  33. you all make all these accusations too, where is the proof to back it up, can i get some links?

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  34. lolololololololololApril 24, 2011 at 4:45 AM

    1) Females who transition are NOT feminist.
    -and you know this how?

    2) Transition never ends. You will need to take drugs the rest of your life.
    -you make it sound like every transman is taking illegal drugs. we take MEDICATION(S)

    3) The drugs you take have no long term studies and have been linked to many different cancers.
    -so has smoking, ESTROGEN, just being male or female, should i go on?

    3) You will never be male.
    -dirt, your opinions will never be fact, you cant even cite resources.

    4) Dysphoria, body and sexual will return to a greater or lesser extent once the trans high wears off. More often than not, the dysphoria will become worse.
    -kinda like the high of getting a better job, better car, or just a great burger, the high of it all evetually wears off.

    5) If you had depression issues before you began transition, like dysphoria, once the trans high wears off, depression will return.
    -do you even know what genetic predisposition means? not all depression is related to being trans.

    6) Synthetic testosterone WILL change your personality. You will become a different person.
    -no, just no. still introverted, still anti social, still considerate of others... nope haven't changed, just how people perceive me.

    7) There is a good chance your sexual orientation WILL change.
    -really? so how many ftm's have you polled on this, done any studies lately?

    8) All trans related surgeries will leave mutilative scars.
    -so does knee surgery, or having a tumor removed, ever heard of breast cancer, or ovarian cancer? yeah those can leave scars too.

    9) You will never escape your female biology. Your body no matter the years on drugs, no matter the surgery, your body will continue in essential ways will stay very much female.
    -ok, pay attention, there are ftms out there that accept the female parts. the essential ways can mean different things to many people.

    10) You will lose your ability to feel deeply, including the ability to cry when needed. You will feel separated from your true self.
    -do you know this from experience? plenty of people that can still cry and feel deeply. by transition everyone else can see who that person truly is.

    If you have other basic facts, leave them in the comments and I will add them.

    what you have wrote are not facts, they are OPINIONS. as you have never cited any resources, studies or anything to back up what you say. all i see is misinformation.

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  35. im not a femminest as i believe in equal rights for every one.

    for the most part in all honesty dirts correct some things are debatable due to the conflict in past statements..

    sexual orientation/attraction is a very complex topic, i only say this as a situation close to me was way more complex....

    Testosterone is proven to sometimes worsen things like prostate cancer and the use of "female" synthetic hormones are used to either slow the cancer if not stun its growth all together..
    cancer is not prodictable, some people carry it others don't, BUT elective surgeries on any one who is at risk is an option

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  36. Selah so much I'd like to comment on from your posts..

    So, you are saying being Gay can be cured then? That it is a condition and a choice?

    Then why do we “choose” to be Gay? Why do we choose to be ridiculed, looked down upon, looked over for higher employment, and abused by society? Are we just gluttons for punishment? Really now, why would anyone “choose” to be Gay? Be realistic on this one. That is not the case. No one “chooses” to be gay anymore than they choose to be Black, White or Asian.

    While I will agree with you that there are many who come out late in life, I also have seen academic papers that suggest some, if not most of this comes from Socio-Dynamic and Religious oppression, not a mere “choice” to be Gay or Bi later in life. Being Gay or a Lesbian is NOT a choice. Period. AND Dirt points that out often enough. In fact she even says you can't be “queer.” You are either a Lesbian or Gay... or not and if you are not, then you must be straight or Bi.

    Also, I certainly did not get Testosterone when my mother committed me to a mental institution at 17 because I was a Lesbian and that did not fit her religious views. They told her there was nothing to cure, that I was born the way I am. Wow, who knew I could have taken Testosterone and made her happy, been cured and "straight." Of course that would have meant dealing with Penis and that would have made me puke.

    Another note, I've known many, many Lesbian body builders who unfortunately have taken Testosterone to enhance their bodies, and all of them are still Lesbians.... really big Lesbians, but still dykes.

    You do realize that hormone therapy was tried already along with chemical, LSD, shock and hypnosis therapies as well as religious immersion... ALL to no avail? Look it up, it happened in the mental institutions and doesn't work. When you are truly Gay/Lesbian It does not work. That would be like Dirt taking Testosterone and becoming straight, wouldn't happen. True Gay/Lesbian sexuality is NOT something that can be altered in the manner suggested.

    Read some excerpts from “Psychotherapy with lesbian clients: theory into practice” and you will be sickened at all they tried on people just like me, a Lesbian who's parents insisted be cured. Luckily, I had someone tell them upfront I was “normal” just the way I was.

    What data are you speaking of? Where is the scientific study? As I have pointed out, this was attempted in mental institutions and did not work. Where is your study where it does? I'd love to see the more recent numbers.

    While I will agree with you, that sexuality is fluid for many reasons, I will point out that those with a more fluid sexuality claim to be Bi-sexual, Pansexual and the like, not Lesbian and not Gay. Those that I know who are Lesbians would sooner die than to take a real cock anywhere close to them.

    What I ascertain from reading the posts from both sides here, and also some of the links that Dirt will post from time to time is that the Transmen who seem to "switch" sides when they transition were either Bi-sexual, Pansexual or were actually Lesbian curious and not really a Lesbian.

    There is a reason why there is a change in some, and not in others, I will grant you that, but I would venture to hypothesis that it has to do with their orientation BEFORE the change rather than the change itself.

    Just as valid a hypothesis as is the Testosterone does it, maybe even more valid and rational.

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  37. a small comment on something said by 'lololololololololol,' one of my least favorite commenters here:

    "6) Synthetic testosterone WILL change your personality. You will become a different person.
    -no, just no. still introverted, still anti social, still considerate of others... nope haven't changed, just how people perceive me."

    See, to me, this is what it's ALL about. How you are percieved by others. This is why transexualism, while often presented as some kind of ultra-progressive behavior, is primarily just an extreme way of trying to 'fit in' to gender expectations...

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  38. @ dirt
    Lesbian Femme,

    Sexual orientation doesnt change per se, attraction does, based on the sex the brain thinks it is. Hormones change the brain, therefore a female brain on male hormones thinks its male, if that female is lesbian, her brain on male hormones naturally will change to desiring men.

    dirt

    April 23, 2011 1:57 PM


    so what you are saying is homosexuality is a biology matter? and if are to change sex's then that homosexuality will continue from loving dating women, to loving dating men?

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  39. You cannot really present these as facts. 1)You did not put sources to back up your facts 2) You are including every transman. These are more of like possible outcomes of taking testonsterone and being transgender. Outcomes that you can see spoken about on many different FTM forums online. I have never met an FTM that was not willing to share this information with younger, pre-op,and pre-t FTMs.

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  40. "Sexual orientation doesnt change per se, attraction does, based on the sex the brain thinks it is. Hormones change the brain, therefore a female brain on male hormones thinks its male, if that female is lesbian, her brain on male hormones naturally will change to desiring men.



    hahaha, what you are saying dirt is that lesbians must have male brains... which is totally pro tranistion

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  41. Lesbian Femme,

    We need to move beyond the idea that being "born that way" is the only reason that people shouldn't be forced to undergo painful, dangerous, and ineffective "conversion treatment."

    We're at a point where the fact that it doesn't work should be reason enough not to do it. We're at a point where the sexism inherent in homophobia should be reason enough not to do it. We're at a point where basic human decency and the ideas of informed consent should be reason enough not to do it.

    I've never seen proof that there is any ONE "gay gene" that all gay people have and no non-gay people have. Instead, I've seen overwhelming evidence that (just like EVERY other human characteristic you could possibly name) sexual orientation is the result of a combination of factors both genetic and environmental. Just because hormones CAN affect someone's sexual orientation, doesn't mean they ALWAYS DO or that it is ETHICAL to force anyone to undergo that treatment.

    To say that my comment implied this is just plain dishonest.

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  42. @Renzo-
    You may not have scars but your womanly nipples will always show your TRUE sex :)
    Femmemystique

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  43. Ariel@April 24, 2011 12:44 PM

    I don't see the trans side presenting alot of fact based posts.....The science is pretty puny on this issue

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  44. Hmmm. I wonder what the risks of being trans and NOT transitioning are?

    1)Never being able to let it go, despite being a "proud" woman.

    2) Wasting energy making constant negative assertions about transness or trans people.

    3) Constant paranoia that trans people are trying do something to you, such as destroy your category, make you transition, or just plain ole kill you. Very, very sad to witness.

    4)Ignoring your own life while trying to force your perspective onto people that will only ever see it as the perpetuation of ignorance and hatred.


    What else is there? I know these from my own experience. I wasted years trying to talk myself out of transitioning. I told myself ALL the things that Dirt is saying now. And you know what? It didn't me NOT trans. Ever. It just made me miserable...

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  45. of course, everyone who is against transexualism (an absurdity to anybody with a logical brain, and not only people like 'Dirt' with whom I'm sure I'd have very little in common with otherwise) is actually transexual themselves!
    such a silly thing to say.

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  46. are ftm's with overblown reactions to anti-transexual sentiments actually anti-transexual themselves?

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  47. I know where you are. Watch yourself.

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  48. Anonymous 4:59pm.

    But not all trans people transition...so do they continue to suffer with the stuff you listed too? As many transguys do come here and express that not everyone transitions. This point is typically made when non-trans people point out that trans people always transition. Of course, you cannot answer from personal experience. But how do they cope? Do you know anyone? I'm not attacking you. I'm just asking.

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  49. Transition is bullshit. You never cross the other side. You just end up being a short bald thing with small hands, female hips without a dick or with a funny sausage for FTM or a tall squared face artifical boobs for MTF. You stay always in between, you always stay "trans". You never become a male or a female and the people around you who fool you in your delirium do it on purpose: doctors for money, girlfriend because they think it is hype or because they secretly dream of dating biomales but don't have the guts ...
    I have a lot of compassion because you are experimental freaks and you deserve love for what you have done to your poor bodies...

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  50. if you're 'trans' and you don't 'transition' then duh you're not 'trans' just a regular girl with a mental disorder- and if you do transition then you're a 'trans' with a mental disorder + physical deformities

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  51. anon@11:11,

    Interesting, then tell us all the name of the man who I'm currently sharing a house with? He said he could give a fuck if you post his name here.

    dirt

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  52. Lesbian Femme,

    "Then why do we “choose” to be Gay? Why do we choose to be ridiculed, looked down upon, looked over for higher employment, and abused by society? Are we just gluttons for punishment? Really now, why would anyone “choose” to be Gay? Be realistic on this one. That is not the case. No one “chooses” to be gay anymore than they choose to be Black, White or Asian. "

    How come so many "straight" womyn came out as lesbians, then, in the 1970's Women's Liberation movement?

    How come many lesbians now still have histories of dating men before they "realized" their "true" selves? The whole concept of being "gay" didn't come about until fairly recent times. Dating someone of the same sex has meant different things in different times and places.

    Seriously. I encourage you to read gay/lesbian history accounts.

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  53. thanks for deleting my comment....again poltroon

    -renzo

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  54. Selah,

    Nothing I have said in reply to you has been dishonest about anything you have posted. You said some people choose to be Gay, you also said that it would be ridiculous to say hormones can't change sexual orientation, I replied to that and gave you proof that it has already been attempted to change us and failed. You said there was data to back you up. I asked for that.

    Nothing dishonest about any of it. Don't place an opinion out and not expect someone to disagree and then cry dishonesty. It is all out for people to see, so nothing I have replied to is wrong. You made assertions, I asked for back up to them, asked some questions, and then went on to give my opinion.

    The point is, when people tend to lump something into one box, and then make blanket statements about that, it is nothing but giving erroneous information that could potentially do more harm than good. It not only affects those you wish to stop, but others that may be in a situation not related to transitioning. Just because you want to stop one group does not mean erroneous information will help and it may be a detriment to others not in this fight.

    I do not think you understand the potential danger your/Dirt's assertion that Testosterone can alter one's sexual preference. You do realize that Testosterone is used in women every day for NON transition medical use with great affect on their conditions? It is used for the correction of Osteoporosis, Infertility, Bone Marrow growth, some Cancer treatments, AIDS, Anemia and also as a last ditch effort for Alzheimer's... it is not just for transition. It has it's medical uses, and if more people think like you/Dirt, that it changes sexual orientation, then that medical help goes away for women because most straight women I know, do not want to be a Lesbian.

    There has to be another way to do what you wish without unsubstantiated information. The medical side of the assumptions is what frightens me, because I am in Medicine. I work with women everyday that need the boost the Testosterone gives them to LIVE, to SURVIVE, to have the energy and strength to hug their children.

    If Dirt had said “There is a chance your sexual orientation may change due to various factors.” I would have had no issues with it, because that does seem to be the case in some Transmen, as I have read the information they put out on the net. In the same respect, they never seem to say how they identified before the transition began. The assumption is always that they identified as Butch Lesbian, and that is not the case. From reading and finding things that Dirt herself has posted, Transmen's sexuality seems as diverse as anyone else.

    The way it was put seems much more definitive and that is my issue. It seems less a possibility and more a probability. I do not agree this is the case because it is faulty logic, there is no PROOF that it is the Testosterone because of all the studies I have seen, hormone therapy has been tried within the LGBT community with no results in changing the sexual preference.

    Fear breeds hate and misunderstanding, not help and the drive to want to know why/how.

    womononajourney, so you also agree that being Gay is a condition and a choice? Wanna be cured then? Choose to be Straight? If it is not something that is within you to begin with then you will have little to no desire to be with someone of the same sex in a sexual nature.

    I encourage you to read the book I posted, and understand what my parents wanted to do to me to "cure" me and force me to "choose" to be straight.

    While I agree throughout history, the relationship between same sex meant different things, I also know I am living in this day and age with the religious reich and male medical machine wanting me to be "normal."

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  55. Wow I was deleted to. I'll just give it to someone else and let them put it up. Not sure why I was, but I guess you didn't like something I said. Now I see what the Transmen are saying. Never really believed you were deleting their posts, but I guess if you don't agree with it, then you delete it.

    Sad, very very sad.

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  56. she deletes both pro- and anti-trans posts
    i guess it's her right
    though i'd like to hear everything
    i'm thinking of starting a totally open version but hell! i don't want to think about creepy transmen so much
    i see enough of them on the streets every day...

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  57. there is no such fucking thing as being 'born into the wrong body' - i said it before & i'll say it again- it sounds like a medieval belief, absolutely absurd!!!

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  58. Wow! My post in which I link to scientific studies proving the existence of transsexuality got deleted 10 minutes after I posted it. In my article I also talked about how I've been on T for 6 years,have greatly decreased body dysphoria, am not going bald, did not turn gay, and am dating a heterosexual woman. I also wrote how I know someone who transitioned in the 60s and has been married to a straight woman for 30 years and has been leading a full life as a man. I guess I won't waste my time on this BS anymore

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  59. leading a full life pretending to be a man you mean...

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  60. They don't want to hear the truth! They are set in their ways and can't handle the truth.
    Some people are just bigots and you can't change their opinions about people who are different then them.

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  61. the thing is
    transexualism is not The Truth
    it's the biggest Lie
    made incarnate
    i am in no way a 'bigot'

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  62. the notion of being born into the wrong body is bizarre
    are there male and female baby-spirits floating around in the ether waiting for embryos to pop into?
    'whoops, i popped into the wrong body! i hope she changes it to match me!'
    ?

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  63. You are a bunch of disgusting, vile sacks of human shit. I hope that every ounce of judgment and hatred you have put forth here comes back on you threefold. In fact, I know it will.

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  64. reality is a drag hun?!April 25, 2011 at 1:50 PM

    it's all really laughable really. how they all say it's not a trend, that there are not tons of new young girls suddenly transitioning. yet every week we can see a whole slew of new ones ready for the slaughter!

    and how quick they are to say that they are not butch lesbians. look silly girls- many of them are butch lesbians. if any ole regular het person who is not involved in the queer world whatsoever sees you walking down the street- GUESS WHAT?!- THEY THINK YOU ARE A BUTCH DYKE! and guess what else---- even after you transition, the only people who really think you are a man at first glance are those same people. everyone else in the 'queer' community will still see you a tranz- not as a man. Hell even your own see that. Just check out all the FTM craigslist personals... they don't advertise that they are men, many say over and over that they are ftms- "looks like a guy, but I have a pussy for you to pound". This of course after they have been on T and it has changed them into girls that suddenly want to be pounded away at.

    stop being in denial. just because being a butch dyke isn't all trendy and hipster-ie like being tranz is... doesn't mean that- that is actually what YOU ARE presenting to the world. The world still sees you as BUTCH DYKES. what fools.
    and you only demand all this special treatment from women- from what i can tell. The lesbian community are the ones coddling all these baby dykes, providing the healthcare (women's health centers) and education (women's colleges/women's studies).

    this will all pass like all fads do in time. and you will see that we were right in the long run.

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  65. Life's too short to be worrying about what the peanut gallery thinks or has to say! It's their opinions. Nothing more nothing less. Their opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one!!!

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  66. life is too short to spend it trying to be something you are not.

    to quote a tranny from above- but doesn't seem to actually practice it: play the cards you were dealt.

    be the person/human that god/goddess/nature made you to be.

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  67. Dirt, you live with a MAN? I think that's disgusting. I can't believe you share your house and home with a being who supports the MONSTER that is the MALE MEDICAL MACHINE and the terrors and cruelty done to womankind, a being who enjoys MALE PRIVELAGE simply by virtue of his sex? I think it's devious and deceptive of you not to have mentioned this to us before and to have hidden this from your sisters; how very anti-woman of you. I hope you enjoy the privelage you get from living with a MAN you anti-feminist woman-hater. You preach one thing and do another. You are a snake.

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  68. @ TF

    [because living as female made me a paranoid, anxious agoraphobic wreck.]

    THIS is exactly WHY Dirt talks about misogyny. THIS is the EXACT reason female transition is the end of feminism.

    HOLY. FUCK.

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  69. Instead of doing real work to love and accept yourself and body while changing society for the better, JUST SWITCH TEAMS! and all of my problems just fall away! It's that easy I guess.

    The unattainable desire for easy power and privilege is the number one reason for female transition. And that's just sad and pathetic.

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  70. What's going to pass is the judgment of the gay community upon transsexuals. You will see that we have been here all along, and that we may have been among your ranks. Sorry! What will pass is the idea that you can tell other people what they are or how they should feel based on your own thoughts or feelings. What will pass is the idea that there is anything more natural about being gay than being trans. What will pass is the idea that gender identity is a part of sexuality. What will pass is the idea that it's acceptable to dismiss
    people from the need for liberation because they are different from you. What will pass is the hilarious idea that butch is special, unique, different, powerful, or anything other than just a thing. What will pass is the idea that change for the better can come in the form of hatred.

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  71. I'm sure people of color wish they had the same luxury of beinga ble to ~transition~ to be white in order to make their lives easier

    ~*~"Oh no believe me, I was supposed to have been born white! This has nothing to do with the fact that my people are oppressed and that sucks, there was just a mistake in the womb!!!11"~*~

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  72. Anon @ 4:41pm

    I KNOW!!

    Isn't it frustrating how over and over responses from FTM's on here actually prove what Dirt is trying to say about transitioning? I can't understand how this 'connection; or whatever, just seems lost!

    I'm sure Dirt felt anxious and paranoid as a woman too, but she went through this struggle and emerged a stronger and proud woman. All she is saying is "girls, there is another way to deal with these feelings ... a stronger, healthier, more respectful way" .... and she gets accused of being a hate instigator. It's really absurd.

    Now she's being accused of betraying feminism for living with a man! What the fuck??

    Far out, people need to read a little more. Sometimes the comments on here can only be described as nonsense.

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  73. 1) Females who transition are NOT feminist.

    Not all certainly, but perhaps some.

    2) Transition never ends. You will need to take drugs the rest of your life.

    My father has diabetes. He needs to take insulin for the rest of his life. Does that mean he shouldn't?

    3) You will never be male.

    Biologically, perhaps not. But mentally and emotionally? Hard to say for anyone but the person.


    3) The drugs you take have no long term studies and have been linked to many different cancers.

    Ever think it might be hard to have long term studies? How are you going to do it? And regardless, that doesn't dismiss any benefit it might have.
    Everything from cats to the sun is linked to cancer. Unless there's a HUGE risk, I don't really see a problem.

    4) Dysphoria, body and sexual will return to a greater or lesser extent once the trans high wears off. More often than not, the dysphoria will become worse.

    It will always be there to some extant. But it can get better. However, it does not get worse after coming out or surgery for any internal reasons, (if at all, it's because of discrimination) and there is no such thing as a "trans high".


    5) If you had depression issues before you began transition, like dysphoria, once the trans high wears off, depression will return.

    True besides the trans high part, but treating the root cause of that depression, if it is indeed being trans, will help. It's not a magic fix anything pill, but it can help and be used along therapy and other medication.

    6) Synthetic testosterone WILL change your personality. You will become a different person.

    To a point yes. You may be more aggressive. But completely changing your personality? No. You will retain the base part of your personality, with perhaps little details changing, which might be attributed to bringing your body closing to your mind, as big changes tend to change people anyway.

    7) There is a good chance your sexual orientation WILL change.

    If that were true, it would mean sexual orientation is not independent of gender. I don't think you believe that. Perhaps it happens to some people, but in some ways it might be hard to tell. People who are comfortable enough to come out as trans are more likely to also come out as gay or bi.

    8) All trans related surgeries will leave mutilative scars.

    Completely true, but to a point irrelevant. Scars are worth not having to bind.


    9) You will never escape your female biology. Your body no matter the years on drugs, no matter the surgery, your body will continue in essential ways will stay very much female.

    True, in some ways. People are aware of that, and accept it. They just want to get as close as they can.

    10) You will lose your ability to feel deeply, including the ability to cry when needed. You will feel separated from your true self.

    Feel deeply? No. Cry? To a point yes. But whether that is related to a happier life or T is impossible to determine by us, now. And feeling separated? No. I feel closer to myself then I've ever been, and happier because of it.


    And for everyone, gender is not like race. Please stop comparing the two. I find it incredibly insulting. Think it, whatever, but it doesn't seem to be any sort of credible argument.

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  74. @anon April 25, 11:33:
    True. Nobody was "born in the wrong body." This is the only one I got, it's the one my brain grew in, so clearly it's the "right" one for me. There's not some other guy wandering around out there with "my" body.

    On the other hand, there's some stuff "wrong" with it. Most notably that it likes to produce hormones that make me agitated and suicidal. Or perhaps the problem is that my brain reacts wrong to the hormones the body's supposed to be producing (and to their artificial analogues).

    Either way, there's a problem, and there seem to be exactly two things that resolve it: (a) heavy doses of trazodone and benzos that basically turn me into a vegetable, and (b) testosterone, therapy, and some decidedly less nasty meds that allow me to function like a human being.

    So no, there's no such thing as being born in the wrong body or any of that weird metaphysical mumbo-jumbo. But there's definitely such a thing as being born in a body that has some stuff wrong with it.

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  75. Lesbian Femme,

    I am really sorry for what happened to you, I genuinely am. And trust me, I am aware of religious fundamental "conversion therapy" proponents but these days they have almost no cultural currency except in extremely fundamentalist enclaves (and that is one of MANY MANY problems facing everyone but the white men in such enclaves). The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical association, and every other credible association for doctors, psychologists, and counselors has renounced "conversion therapy."

    When and where it DOES happen, it is a HUGE problem, I completely grant you that. But the medical model has moved away from that and toward "sexual reassignment" medicines and surgeries as a "cure" for homosexuality.

    Where's my "data" that some people who originally are straight eventually choose same-sex relationships? How about that I personally know women who have chosen to become lesbians for political reasons and if/when I can figure out how to get rid of my nigel and not be homeless I'll be one of them. I also personally know at least two trans folks whose sexual orientation was affected/changed during their transition.

    But if that's not enough "data" for you, just look at what these sites are saying--straight from the source!

    http://www.ftmguide.org/myths.html#6

    http://female-to-male-transition.blogspot.com/2010/08/truth-about-female-to-male-transition.html

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC0QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jotto.info%2Fpresentations%2FAllAboutT15.pdf&rct=j&q=side%20effects%20of%20testosterone%20ftm%20sexual%20orientation&ei=9fm1TeXpDoi4sQOe68GkDQ&usg=AFQjCNEA2o02r8MZuToZiTfcQlCbGJ6Beg&sig2=bbDJUiBC2lePqPMbqlmmYw&cad=rja (note this is a PDF file)

    http://webspace.webring.com/people/bf/fasterthanlife_2000/FAQ/FAQftmhormonestop.html

    Your concerns are relevant, but please don't use them to attempt to silence people who are speaking truth about this. FEAR of what the patriarchy may do with the truth is no reason to stop talking about what that TRUTH is.

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  76. "All she is saying is "girls, there is another way to deal with these feelings ... a stronger, healthier, more respectful way" ...."

    No that's actually NOT all she's saying. She's lying about our lives, disrespecting our identities, and trying to ruin our credibility as people. Projecting her own motivations upon marginalized people she does not even know. Claiming that we will die mutilated and alone. Claiming that we are unworthy of love and unable to love because of of our trans status. I can't think of anything more shameful than her behavior. Her lying words condemn her to a living hell and I feel sorry for her in that. She does not speak for liberation in any way, and she is the most trapped, miserable and powerless coward I have ever witnessed.

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  77. Sadly the only "cowards" are self hating females too afraid to buck convention.

    dirt

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  78. many many many many ftm's turn into 'gay men' after testosterone
    i seen it with mine own eyes

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  79. It takes a stronger person to face being trans than it does to spread hatred for an already marginalized people. You are not only a coward, you are an armchair theorist, a quasi-intellectual, a shitty poet, and a blowhard. And you resemble Sloth from the Goonies, but that's not your fault. Plus, he had a heart and soul so you are different.

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  80. Dirt, I agree with some of what you are saying, and I understand some of your concerns. I agree that women can be masculine and that men can certainly be feminine. Transitioning is not inherently radical or feminist but neither is lesbianism or being butch. The concept that transsexuality stems from misogyny is completely off base. There are more MTFs than FTMs according to every statistic that I've seen. Furthermore, I felt myself to be male and felt the need to physically be a boy since pre-school before I knew anything about society, feminism, the history of women's rights and oppression. I knew this before I knew that I acted just like a boy. I did have positive female role models in my life. My mom always told me that girls could do anything that boys could such as play sports, be assertive etc. but none of this changed my intense feelings of body dysphoria once female puberty started. Trust me I never had a "trans high" in fact as a late teen (ten years ago) I wished with all my heart that I wasn't a transsexual and that I was just a lesbian. My parents also would have much rather for me to simply be a lesbian. Being trans is incredibly difficult. Just because some people are broadcasting their transitions on youtube doesn't mean that there are a ton of us out there and that we are trying to be trendy. Estrogen felt horribly wrong to me and when I began to transition 6 years ago my body dysphoria slowly began to dissipate and I began to recognize myself and feel a much greater connection between mind and body. When I looked at my chest after surgery, it simply looked normal to me. I think if you devoted a blog to the promotion of a butch identity and tried to be a butch role model, rather than tear down trans people you would be much more successful at encouraging butch pride and feminism. Right now it just seems like the point of your blog is to mock and ridicule our bodies and demonize FTMs as misogynists.

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  81. I'd also like to add that if there were no such thing as society, if the only two people on earth were me and a doctor capable of performing surgery and prescribing hormones, I would've transitioned and would have done so much sooner than I did because I wouldn't have had to deal with the rest of the world's perception of me as a transsexual. If there were something I could've done at the age of 3, I would've done so. Transsexuality has absolutely nothing to do with society and "gender roles." My body is not a social construct.

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  82. Speaking as an FtM who agrees with a number of things you write on here, Dirt, I have to say that the idea that there are some trans individuals out there who would actively hide this information from people is appalling.
    If someone is seriously considering transition - they need to know all of the pros and cons before they go ahead with it.

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  83. Transition proves that there's an aspect of transsexuality embedded in gender norms and social construct. I do believe FTMs transition for themselves but to make anyone believe that it has absolutely nothing to do with society/gender norms/gender roles is false. We all make choices due to those things.

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  84. Anon@12:04am

    Actually anon, I do not remotely believe women can be "masculine" and men can be "feminine". There is a vast wilderness of male and female that social gender norms convince most of us doesnt exist,

    I believe in exploring that vastness to find out and live as just the kind of female you are or male you are, thereby expanding male and female within male and female.

    Because some women and men carry their femininity and masculinity differently than the majority, in no way negates their/our female femininity or male masculinity.

    It is often assumed that Butch women are "masculine", because Butch women carry their feminine bodies differently than the majority. If in doubt, ask any Femme lover of a Butch, she'll confirm the Butch body is 100% feminine.

    dirt

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  85. I want to take T so I test the sexuality switch theory, because I gaurantee NO amount of hormones would make me attracted to a man. I'm convinced it could never happen. Ever. Ever, ever, ever lol

    I know female bodybuilders on huge amounts of androgens though and their personalities/sexuality didn't change. Well, tiny bits, but so tiny that you can't say for sure it's the hormones and not life in general etc. They're on way more powerful stuff than just your average T dose too.

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  86. everyone bases their own opinions on their own experiences in life. i for one, have seen at least 4 close friends transition into really different people. and they seemed to do it as a like contest with each other- as in, who could be more dude-bro appearing, etc. which of course is really juvenile, but mimics what i see all over youtube. of the 4 i have known- all started out as lesbians- only dating other women, and 2 are now dating men.
    so this is what im basing my opinions on.

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  87. It's my experience that transitioning from female to male was very much like a second puberty caused by testosterone. Acting like a dudebro when you are going through puberty is par for the course, and I've seen it in all kinds of males and transmales. Some of it is about a fragile masculinity and some of it is for the safety of passing and some of it is straight-up wackiness of puberty. I would not argue that this behavior is palatable for non-transitioners, but I would ask for a bit of leeway in this process. It usually settles down later. If I had my way, I'd give every ftm a place to transition away from the watchful eyes and judgment of society and haters alike.

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  88. Actually there is no proof, synthetic versions of testosterone injected at high doses in a biological female body would be the same or even similar to that of natural biological males at puberty or any other time in a natural male life/body.

    Trans minded female in their desperate desire to not be female presume they "know" what "males feel like", without having ever been male. That logically isnt something they can or will ever know. They will always remain females taking a drug to mimic male, not actually ever "being" male.

    dirt

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  89. irondeciple,

    No one is saying that EVERY lesbian who uses hormones to transition will become attracted to men. Even if you transition and don't experience a shift in who you are sexually attracted to, it wouldn't prove us wrong. Logic 101, it's your friend.

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  90. Sadly everything you post is just your simple minded and very boxed in opinions that have no merit. What studies have you done to pass judgment? What interviews have you done with ftms? The number of followers you have do not substantiate your opinions. Besides looking male yourself, with a crew cut, and putting "boi" in your name, maybe you should think about how you come across publicly, you are coming across as a rabid and angry fool that needs a better hobby than bullying individuals you don't know. And just and FYI, someone can take you to court for posting pictures of men you have no affiliation with you, it's term "bullying". Abreast yourself on the resent case of Tyler Clementi.

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  91. Most of those "facts" are opinion, not fact, and those that aren't entirely subjective are spurious at best.

    1) There is no single defined, adhered to by all, distinction of who can and can't be a feminist. Statement 1 is opinion.

    2) Testosterone does indeed need to be taken to maintain health. Just as women that have early menopause may need to take HRT to prevent osteoporosis. Does that make those women any less female? Spurious statement.

    3) Opinion.

    4) Show me peer reviewed research that backs this statement up. It looks like opinion pulled out of a hat to me.

    5) As point 4.

    6) Time changes everyone's personality. It is impossible to prove this statement one way or the other. It's nothing but opinion. And you certainly don't "become a different person". Does a woman with PCOS suddenly "become a different person" because her hormone profile shifts?

    7) Sexual orientation in many people is very fluid, it isn't uncommon for people's orientation to shift post-transition. I am yet to see good research on it though, probably because research into non-heteronormative sexualities is thin on the ground, and fraught with religious and cultural biases. Your statement 7 is opinion, but is plausible.

    8) Surgery leaves scars. Mutilation is a subjective term and statement 8 is very much opinion.

    9) How do you define a "female" body? Even if you go by XX chromosomes, many people do not have a simple chromosomal sex. Opinion.

    10) Absolute opinion. This is based on what evidence? Since transition I have been *more* connected to my self, *more* open to empathise with others, *more* willing to be vulnerable.

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  92. Unless one is in the throws of the trans disorder, they most certainly are facts. Feel free to check each fact with any ftM website or forum across the net, they verify each.

    dirt

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  93. "they most certainly are facts"

    Sorry Dirt, you might believe them to be true, but they are your subjective opinion, and not facts.

    A fact, defined by the Oxford English Dictionary:

    "noun

    a thing that is known or proved to be true:"

    1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10 are all subjective statements that are impossible to prove to be true or false. They are opinion.

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  94. There is no reason for me to doubt a few decades of consistent statements made by female transitioners experience with transition. Statements that coincide with basic common sense about both biology, sociology and psychology.

    If you have an issue with my presenting truths coming directly from the ftM community, I suggest you take it up with them.

    dirt

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  95. Keep hitting that delete button Dirt.

    You can run from criticism, but every time you delete a rational, calm critical point what do you feel?

    Does a part of you panic as you read something that you don’t like, you don’t want to read, but is more accurate than the heavily biased propaganda you present?

    Listen to that feeling - what does it tell you?

    The truth hurts.

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