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Sunday, April 3, 2011

Open Discussion Post for Sunday!

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  1. What are the main differences between a transmale and a biomale?

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  2. One is female and one is male.

    dirt

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  3. yes but once the person who is born male has gone through the basic transition package: hormon, chest surgery and maybe working-out.
    What are the main differences?

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  4. sorry I have written 'born male' but I meant born 'female bodied' ;)

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  5. The same differences between any male and any female. Because the female in question has cosmetically changed herself, doesnt put her any closer to being a male than a non trans female.

    dirt

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  6. One has a pussy and the other has a dick.
    One produces sperm, the other not.
    One has memories of being socialised as female, the other as male.
    One may have an history of self-defining as dyke, the other not obviously.
    One has manufactured hormon (T created by a pharmaceutical industry plant/factory) in the blood, the other not.
    One may have an history with the L&G community, the other may not even have a clue about it...

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  7. One may have a shorten life expectancy than the other. One may likely have more chance to develop T induced liver cancer than the other.

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  8. @Dirt

    I honestly respect your opinions, but you don't seem to care about who you have to step on to get your word out that, in layman's terms, (trans)guys are destroying what feminists are working on; that (trans)guys are not in fact guys, but want-to-be guys who are in-denial lesbians (even though many (trans)guys are self-identifying gay men, who aren't attracted to women whatsoever); that no matter what (trans)guys do, (trans)guys are just mutilated women after transitioning.

    Thing is, who are YOU to decide how people identify THEMSELVES? Who are YOU to decide how people want to live THEIR lives?

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  9. I think they're mostly straight women who were too scared to have sex with men while they were still perceived as women due to societal implications.

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  10. Dirt you're blog is going to do nothing to change the fact that more and more emerging science is showing that transwomen have a brain that morphologically female and transmen have a brain that is morphologically male. People who are truly comfortable with their own desires and expressions of gender and sexuality do not have any need to be bothered or concerned by dissimilar expressions and desires in others.

    Get over it dirt, trans is here to stay and there nothing you can do to stop it.

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  11. oops not you're, your.

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  12. I find that people who don't "agree" with transsexualism really just don't want to agree, like no matter how much research is shown to you there will be a way to dismiss it so you wont have to give it much thought. I get it, gender is drilled into us at such an early age as this black and white thing but the truth is that nature doesn't make things in black and white.

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  13. You know the thing is that physical sex isn't binary like most people think... http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency

    also this case where a woman whose chromosomes says she she should be a guy but she has nothing but lady parts gave birth to another female who has XY chromosomes http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/93/1/182

    there's people out there whose chromosomes that are the opposite sex from their genitals or both male and female and they don't even know it.

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  14. http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/6677088.html

    How do you feel about trannies playing internet therapist to figure out how you tick, Dirt?

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  15. okay but seriously I have a question for ya- Although there needs to be much more research transpeople have some scientific evidence on our side that validates the way we've felt about our gender our whole life and you know that... but you just disagree right? So My questions are why do you so passionately disagree when there is at least some evidence in front of your face? There's lots of things in this world that I'm sure you don't agree with but you move on with your life, but with this issue you're stuck- why do you care so much? Aren't there other things that you disagree with in this world that actually affect you that you can spend your energy on instead? Have you asked yourself the question why transpeople (transmen in particular) cause you such strong emotions?

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  16. @Anon April 3, 2011 12:23 PM

    "okay but seriously I have a question for ya- Although there needs to be much more research transpeople have some scientific evidence on our side that validates the way we've felt about our gender our whole life and you know that"

    There has been discussion on this site of the standard 5 or 6 studies that the trans community usually cites and the limitations of those studies.

    Are you prepared to discuss what these studies mean in detail or do you feel that just stated there are studies is enough to butress your arguement and we are just supposed to accept that?

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  17. Oh! Extra questions...

    - Why are transgendered people more hateful toward their own kind than normal people are to them? A trans person I know avoids the rest like the god damn plague because they're just so dramatic. I can't remember everything he said, but apparently MTFs are allowed to treat FTMs like shit and generalize while FTMs can't do anything back without being called "transphobic", and if you're not interested in surgery but still identify as the sex you weren't born as, you'll be asked "are you sure you're transgender and not genderqueer?" or they'll refer to you as the sex you were born as because you haven't gotten surgery, even if they haven't had surgery yet themselves.

    - Why do they bitch about how they just want to be treated like a normal, bio-person and not like a weird tranny, and then tell everyone about how trans they are? Isn't that defeating the purpose? "I'm trans but call me a he, okay?" just seems like TMI to me. Either deal with what I call you or just ask to be called the other pronoun, I've called plenty of guys chicks and vice versa on accident before.

    - Why is misgendering so "triggering"? Everyone gets misgendered. There are plenty of short-haired chicks that get called guys and long-haired guys that get called chicks. With how popular being emo and androgynous is nowadays, a shit load of people are misgendered and it's not a trans-exclusive thing. I don't get how trans people have to overreact about it by having panic attacks or feeling nauseous or whatever bullshit.

    - Why is it *offensive* and not okay to use transman/transwoman but okay to use trans man/trans woman? It's just a fucking space.

    - What's the point of gender neutral pronouns? There's zie, per, hir, all this shit. What's wrong with he, she or they? I see people wanting to be referred to as different ones online and it's just stupid and seems like they're trying to be unique or something.

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  18. @Anon April 3, 2011 12:22 PM


    "there's people out there whose chromosomes that are the opposite sex from their genitals or both male and female and they don't even know it."

    Actually this gives anti trans arguements a boost as it shows the power of socialization over biology. Thanks for the tip.....

    This actually flies in the face of the example that the trans community usually cites about they boy castrated at birth and raised as a girl...but went back to being male.

    In all seriousness, this case has strong biological roots unlike 99% of most trans people.

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  19. "Actually this gives anti trans arguements a boost as it shows the power of socialization over biology."

    youre dumb, science is finding that trans is another from a interex... get over it losers.

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  20. Why do transpeople think the brain is male or female and to what they refer when they think they are male or female? Do they refer to the will of socially and binary conform to gender built society stereotypes (hobbies, job position, sport, dominance) which were the rules back in the 1950's? Can you explain?

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  21. look it up, science has proven there is a brain difference between males and females... and now science is starting to show that transmen have a male brain. no matter how upset it makes you nothing is going to change that.

    everyday transpeople are becoming more accepted, you're fighting a losing battle.

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  22. "look it up, science has proven there is a brain difference between males and females"
    -> references? As a physician, I would be interested to see where you have fished this information.

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  23. @ Anon April 3, 2011 12:52 PM

    "Why do they bitch about how they just want to be treated like a normal, bio-person and not like a weird tranny, and then tell everyone about how trans they are?"

    Honestly, I think it makes them feel special, because they get pitty for being the 'poor little tranny', and because in all honesty, unless your fucking blind, you know they are def not bio males or females. So they might as well admit it so you feel akward and are walking on eggshells all the time to make sure you use the right pronouns (because heaven forbid you get called by your 'real' sex! GAWD! It's just SO horrible!) whereas anyone thats mature would just correct them politely and have a nice day or say nothing and when others hear your voice they will realize their error. No point making a big issue out of it.

    I really don't care what people do with their bodies, but I HATE when people play the 'Gay' or 'Trans' card. We are all oppressed in our own ways. Your not special. Get over it.

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  24. As a transman im not going to be as naive as most the people in here and demand my opinion is the right one, because i simply don’t know, i grew up around female friends, i dressed kinda unisex, i didn’t like sports, i liked art, crafts and textiles, i was attracted to boys (and still am) id say i was a pretty normal girl. But something wasn’t right, and it hadn’t been right for a long time, i cant put my finger on it, it wasn’t about work, or what toys i played with or what clothes i wore, i just never associated with being female, i started posing as male online and played games that were male only characters. I honestly cant put my finger on it, and I’m not going to try to. I cant tell you what being male is, i don’t know, and i cant put how i feel in to words.
    maybe it is mental illness, maybe it was because i had an older brother, or because i found my mother dead when i was 9, maybe our brains are different, i don’t know. But i know, for me, it isn’t a trend, and i find that highly offensive, what. You think i want to be this way?
    i don’t associate with other transgender people online, because i find that I have to be very careful about what i say, the irony for some transmen is their so thin skinned and sensitive about what you call them. Many transmen and dirt and dirts followers are so set on putting names on things, shoving people in to boxes, that just doesn’t interest me.
    im not going to seek out trans people, or gay or straight or butch people, im just going to meet people, the way everyone else does, and i will accept them in to my life for being good, friendly people.

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  25. I don’t know why i am the way i am, but i am smart enough to know that as humans, we know very little, and Im happy to admit that i don’t know, but if im sure of one thing, its that all of the theory’s expressed on this blog, anti or pro trans, are probably wrong. How much of a big headed prat would you have to be to believe you know the answer to such a huge question, even professional scientists haven’t figured out yet.
    Lastly, this thing about the medical machine, how more doctors are willing to take on trans surgery, just for the profit, that they don’t REALLY want to help trans people, guess what, thats nothing new.
    working in an industry around animals, vets do it all the time to, do you think mcdonalds really cares if you go hungry? Do you think nike care if your friends laugh at you for not wearing the most stylish shoes? Cmon. Just because someone dosnt give a shit about you dosnt mean you shouldn’t give them your money aslong as they perform the service you are looking for.
    well thats my rant. Buh bye.

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  26. @Anon April 3, 2011 1:00 PM

    Cite the studies to back your contention....

    Can't wait for when you come back with that "white matter" study...

    So tell us all in your own words..how transitioners and intersex people are related..let's have a mature discussion..

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  27. i think it's fun to come here and troll you transphobic bigots, you guys crack me up.

    and i love how more people everyday are gaining to courage to come to terms with being transgender and taking steps to make their lives better even in the face of all this hatred and bigotry.

    trans people are gaining more respect from our culture everyday and there is NOTHING you assholes can do to stop it. Have fun wallowing in your hate losers.

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  28. Dirt
    Do you have a personal life? With at least a girlfriend? Because it doesn't look as if you do, with all the time you seem to have on your hands. And something tells me that if you did have a girlfriend, your caustic approach to dealing with disagreements would soften up. There is something about you that I do like, that shows through all this writing about the trans community, but whatever it is, it's eventually going to get buried beneath all this pseudo-radicalism.

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  29. And since when does radicalism mean "make-myself-as-unapproachable-as-possible"?

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  30. I'm confidant that a gene or physical manifestation of transsexualism will be discovered. It will be removed from the DSM and be seen as a physical, medical, biological (pick your word) condition. The clock is ticking until this entire site is seen as simply archaic.

    The individual posting this blog does not define anyone's personal identity. It is impossible for anyone to do that but themselves. If you are female, nothing this blog says will change that - regardless of what you were assigned at birth. Your life as a lesbian, your life as a woman and who you simply are - are things words on a blog cannot take away. Her words seem threatening because it seems as if she is attempting to convince others to act in a way harmful to your own well-being. Sometimes it can feel as if she's massing an army to attack - that she's attempting to encourage violence and for rights worked so hard for to be taken away.

    At the end of the day, every person who meets a transperson and knows their pain or lives with one or learns from one - puts ten people to every one of this blog's "soldiers."

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  31. I posted a comment listing a few of the studies the physician asked for in the earlier comments... but someone deleted it.

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  32. Here's a UCLA study that isolated differences using MRI technology!

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803

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  34. trasphobes will always find a way to discredit any study you throw at them... it's more fun just to troll these bigots.

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  35. You know what?

    i like being queer. I dont want to be a lesbian, i dont even get along with them, and my sexuality is much more complicated than that. My body doesnt even match how i see myself. I dont want to be judged for my body because i am NOT my body. Im me, im Hayden, im myself. Im neither gender fully im just the being living inside this meat and bones outer shell.

    and if i have to live in here, im going to adjust it to who i am. No blog will differ me or much of anyone else for that matter.

    Cause tell me dirt, who cares if i cut off my breasts, inject testosterone and aim for a more masculine apperance? You can call me female, go ahead but you know what?

    When this body dies, this flesh and bone exterior. Who cares. My body will become nothing more than than the ground under your feet.

    I think you're wasting your time.

    My grave stone will say Hayden
    and no one will no the differnece

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  36. Hayden, don't you think you are a bit too young to even mention a grave?

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  37. @ Hayden,

    It sounds like you probably suffer from depression or some kind of anxiety disorder based on how you wrote that post, no matter how poetical it may seem on the surface.

    I used to sound like you. Lost in the hopelessness of gender constraints. Once I dealt with my underlying problems, though (I almost jumped into transition. I even lived full time as male for a long time.)The trans thing seemed like such a stupid idea. You can be queer without having surgery or having synthetic junk pumped into your body.

    Hopefully you won't have to put yourself and your family through all the grief I caused mine, (and my parents were supportive!)

    Anyway, I could have written that post verbatim in my early 20's.

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  38. Since all you youngins are so eager to throw around brain studies, let's talk about brain maturity!

    Although the brain reaches its full adult weight around the age of 21, it continues to develop for several years. In fact, a study done by the National Institutes of Health found that the region of brain that inhibits risky behavior does not fully form until age 25. This is the final stage of brain development, and because humans all develop at different rates, sometime this brain maturing can take until the person reaches their early to mid thirties.

    This is actually a heavily researched area that you can easily google, unlike the TRANZ BRAIN STUDIEZ. And seeing as how the majority of transitioners are in their teens and twenties...well...

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  39. The acnea is not glitter :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhsj6vIHUw

    and look how she feels better now she had her top surgery...(irony alert)

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  40. "doesnt put her any closer to being a male than a non trans female."

    As if you would know.

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  41. I know this question pisses off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8wX90Zf6Vo transpeople but some people do not like penis, some other do not like pussy so it is normal people ask, it is not like if you were real bio normal males.

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  42. You're a fucking bitch. Fuck you

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  43. I never looked into all the brain studies, though I transitioned 8 years ago. I assumed that being trans needed no justification. I was right.

    I also am wary of looking for the gay gene or the trans gene. Dontcha kinda think that minute they find it, they'll be offering a service to parents that screens for those genes in utero? Maybe this is paranoid, but our beautiful GLBT "diversity" is not widely acknowledged to be a positive thing...

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  44. I'm sorry about your nephew, Dirt.

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  45. I love it when high school drop-off mentions medical studies :D! You transguys are just fraud.

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  46. @Anon April 3, 2011 5:12 PM

    This is actually the study I am referring to. You should have ready further into to this study, because the researchers themselves state the grey matter they are studying does not "mature" until the late twenties at least, and it stands to reason that socialization plays a part.

    The other thing to note here is that this provides further proof that women can have "masculine" characteristics and men can have "feminine" ones. That being so, it does not follow transitioning is the answer, but that relaxing gender contraints and stereotyping is so that people can just be themselves.

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  47. Can anyone post a scientific study that involved transexuals, feminine heterosexual bio women, masculine heterosexual bio men, gays, lesbians, butches, femmes, and effeminate men, etc. and their brains? I do remember years and years ago reading the similarities in the brains of gay men and straight women thus resulting in the same attraction to the male body. Yet the studies with transsexuals do not have this kind of detailed study that I have seen posted.

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  48. @Anon April 3, 2011 8:07 PM

    Has not occurred. Studies done on transexuals have involved very low sample sizes(30 or less). Once larger sample sizes are studied, I suspect most of these differences will disappear.

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  49. Well, the question posted was with regard to the location of the studies. A debate on their validity can't really be had until said individuals are ready to throw up their credentials. And, with this blog's notoriety - I'm doubtful they will want to. I'm confident that journal-published studies, in and of themselves, are from individuals with higher education or credentials than those willing to debate here. Feel free to prove me wrong.

    Transitioning ages vary. Those who traffic this blog are going to be younger people, more prone to feeling the need to be involved in activism.

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  50. @ Anonymous April 3, 2011 6:45 PM

    Exactly. I respect this transguy. Yet I am sorry when you have 90 videos documenting your transition online discussing personal trans topics - someone is going to ask if you have a penis or a vagina since you come off trying to educate them about transsexuality. It is invasive and I am sure it is annoying. But I don’t believe that a person is always trying to be overly insensitive and trying to trigger your bottom dysmorphia. I figure he is just embarrassed to say. "No." due to body dysmorphia, and due to someone using that info to tell him he is less than a man. I only figure he has not had the surgery due to the fact that he did not want to admit it he had surgery. Most go on and on just the same as going on and on about top surgery. And that he documents so much in regards to his transition - he would've obviously put it out there and the doctor's name, hospital, and the date at when it happened, etc.

    With that said, I have seen a transguy answer "Do you have a penis?" with "Well...how do you define a penis?" I mean really!?!?! I always questioned the lack of bottom surgeries in the FTM community. It isn’t common at all. I am starting to believe it has more to do with surgery appearance/results than the actual dysphoria. Bringing me to question whether a person can indeed learn to change how they deal with such body hatred. I doubt it will work for everyone though.

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  51. I can't imagine how this blog is actually helping people. It doesn't seem to be the goal or motivating factor. Looking at it, I see debate. That's healthy. Then, I see some minor name-calling. I see exposure on the internet that would be equivalent to outing someone followed by ridicule. The harshness of this blog seems counterproductive to its message. I believe in transsexualism, obviously. But, when I try to "look from the other side" it simply seems too harsh. It's almost as if, by rejecting the doctrine, the author has elected that the only other choice is violence in the guise of activism.

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  52. I had believed that this was open discussion. Why are my comments on the debate about the trans neural studies being deleted?

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  53. Apparently you guys actually know me, thats a party foul........

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  54. Anon@April 3, 2011 8:45 PM

    "I see some minor name-calling. I see exposure on the internet that would be equivalent to outing someone followed by ridicule."

    The people in question have already posted material on the net(some cases numerous times). They have outed themselves already

    "It's almost as if, by rejecting the doctrine, the author has elected that the only other choice is violence in the guise of activism."

    Nice insinuation there. Can you point out anywhere on this blog where dirt or others who agree with her have either advocated or implied a violent solution to this issue. Pro trans posters on the other hand hand have made various violent threats...

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  55. @ Canadian:


    The other thing to note here is that this provides further proof that women can have "masculine" characteristics and men can have "feminine" ones. That being so, it does not follow transitioning is the answer, but that relaxing gender contraints and stereotyping is so that people can just be themselves."

    I don't think anyone is arguing that society doesn't need to relax its gender constraints. For me, at least, transition is not about being scared to be a butch woman (I was one for 35 years). It's about the incredibly strong desire that I have to possess male secondary sex characteristics. When I shave my face, I feel so great - like my face was always meant to have a beard on it. So anyway, this conversation for me is not about whether gender roles and expectations and the degree to which they are expected to correspond with one's biological sex. It's about always having felt a physical need for (insert male secondary sex characteristic here) and making that dream finally come true.

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  56. @Anon April 3, 2011 8:37 PM

    "Well, the question posted was with regard to the location of the studies. A debate on their validity can't really be had until said individuals are ready to throw up their credentials. And, with this blog's notoriety - I'm doubtful they will want to. I'm confident that journal-published studies, in and of themselves, are from individuals with higher education or credentials than those willing to debate here. Feel free to prove me wrong."

    Whoa!! You need to have "credetials" to read the studies and question them, while pro transitioners can cite the same studies as "proof" without even reading or understanding them.
    According to your logic, maybe they should cite their "credentials" too.

    "I'm confident that journal-published studies"

    Oh? Uncritically? That seems to be the antithesis of science. Journal based studies have been very wrong in the past and subsequently disproven. Some examples are:
    1)The Journal Lancet withdrew and renounced the article linking autism and vaccines

    2)Thalidimide was cleared for use on pregnant women on the basis of journal published studies assuring it's safety and we all know what happened there

    3)Vioxx-withdrawn from the market in 2004 after being cleared for use on the basis of journal studies.

    Just because something is published in a peer reviewed journal does not make it beyond reproach. The findings have to be duplicated and studies with large sample groups need to be done to confirm findings.

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  57. Anon@April 3, 2011 10:28 PM



    "It's about always having felt a physical need for (insert male secondary sex characteristic here) and making that dream finally come true."

    Have you ever looked at that critically? Alot of girls growing up have these desires because they get the strong message that masulinity is valued and they want to ape the superficial aspects of that(ie the trappings) to feel valued by extension.

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  58. ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON ANON

    SERIOUSLY ITS NOT HARD TO TYPE A NAME

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  59. @Canadian
    "Have you ever looked at that critically? Alot of girls growing up have these desires because they get the strong message that masulinity is valued and they want to ape the superficial aspects of that(ie the trappings) to feel valued by extension."

    That's a really good point. It'd be interesting to hear critical trans views on that point i.e. How do you know the origin of your "need to be male" isn't just a subconscious desire to benefit from the privileges of that sex?

    When I was a young girl all my friends were boys and I used to imitate them - I would refer to my groin as my "nuts" etc. As a teenager I used to joke with friends about how I wished I had a goatee to stroke while I was thinking. Self determination and self ambition and activities that aren't traditionally "female interests" are still shrouded with male symbolism.

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  60. If anyone needs a good belly laugh, take a look at some queer centric tumblrs. Some of the most unintentionally hilarious bullshit I've read in years.

    http://nimself.tumblr.com/

    http://skylark11.tumblr.com/

    http://innerfatgirl.tumblr.com/

    http://hairyqueerkid.tumblr.com/page/1

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  61. Seeing beautiful females turn into disgusting hideous drug pumped mutilated monsters is never a good look.

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  62. All I know is that there's nothing better than the real thing. As a polyamourous bisexual woman, I need 100% natural born sexiness, no exceptions. Fuck needles, creams and cosmetic surgery!

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  63. Are there other blogs like you out in the webverse? I'm not looking to troll, I'm genuinely interested. I only ever seem to find links back to you. I enjoy reading your opinions on most things, even if you do speak out against a community with which I strongly identify. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as far as I'm concerned. You work for your cause, I work for mine.

    Anyway, do you know of any other butch (or non-butch) bloggers whose opinions are similar to your own? I'd love to read them.

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  64. Dirt has, and continues to silence the toxic trans voices polluting so many young womens minds. Half the youtube FTM posterboys have run off with their tails between their legs (not like anything else is there) and are now living their lives in silent misery, as they should.

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  65. @Kai, a lot of women lesbian or straight (orbi) do read and comment everyday. Feel free to visit more often.

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  66. a few days ago someone posted the funniest comment that dirt deleted
    it said 'you seem to think men can't have vaginas'
    that pretty much sums up the entire trans delusion and makes me realize there's no getting through to people who think like this

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  67. @ Canadian:

    I said:
    "It's about always having felt a physical need for (insert male secondary sex characteristic here) and making that dream finally come true."

    You said:
    Have you ever looked at that critically? Alot of girls growing up have these desires because they get the strong message that masulinity is valued and they want to ape the superficial aspects of that(ie the trappings) to feel valued by extension.

    I have spent long hours in deep exploration of these matters, both alone, with books, with friends, and especially with my best friend who is a sociology professor and feminist. I am willing to admit that you might be right, and that it's something I have worried about a lot. I don't think that's why I'm transitioning, but to be intellectually honest it's something I have worried about.

    One thing that contravenes your suggestion that I might just be seeking male privilege or seeking to be "more valued" as male is that I never felt "unvalued" by virtue of my femaleness. I've felt unvalued for all kinds or reasons (who hasn't?) but I've never specifically experienced many of the kinds of discrimination that women talk about facing. I've always been pretty successful, educated, excelled in a male dominated profession, all this despite my gender nonconformity.

    The other argument I have is that it's possible that a person is trans for all kinds of reasons. We can worry about whether it's caused by childhood abuse, by misogyny, by early childhood attachment to some unknown thing, by genes, etc. Given that we are not sure and that we can't change the past, I'm going with what makes me happy now. That might make me a little selfish... but I've thought out the risks and benefits, I'm not a young person anymore, and this is just the path I'm on now.

    So yes, I've given these things a great deal of critical thought. You might be right; I'm not sure, and I'm happier this way, and that's the bottom line for me.

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  68. Third verse same as the first....and so and and so on....

    How does this blog have anything to do with butch pride in any way, shape, or form? It's all about transmen!!! I don't see anything on here about butch pride at all. If your so proud about being butch the write about it and leave transmen alone.

    I mean as many hours that you are on line looking up stuff about them and all you could be using your time to write about butch pride and all. You don't seem genuine to me and you seem to have you priorities somewhere else. You spend way too much time obsessing over trans relating stuff than things you claim to be so proud of. It makes me kind of wonder about you and where your priorities are.

    Butch pride? I think not!
    Discrimination? YES, without a doubt!

    I'm a butch lesbian and am appalled by the things you write about. If you cared for these young FTM's then you would not be exploiting them as you do. You would embrace them not exploit them! They are children for Christ's sake! Yet you post their pictures on your blog just so people can ridicule them and put them down. you should be ashamed of yourself for exploiting children. Yeah, their pics are fair game as they are on youtube but who is the adult here? You are a 40 some year old adult and yet you are exploiting children. You are no better than a pedophile using their pictures for your own gain. I can't even believe that an adult would do this to these young kids. Yeah, they maybe need to be talked to and all but to exploit them? That is just wrong!

    I am just glad that I am not one of the few that puts these kids down and exploits them the way you do. If you want to help them, why do you exploit them and put their pics up just so people can ridicule them, pick them apart because of their appearance (skinny, overweight, etc..), make fun of them, tear them down, and so on? It makes no sense. Unless you don't have a conscience then it would make sense to you.

    All I know is that I would never exploit anyone let alone a child. That just makes me sick to my stomach.

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  69. A lot of transguys here say they felt males when kids because they wanted to play this sport and not another.
    I live in Europe where soccer is quit popular and is usually defined as a sport played by males. So I have found some transguys here who told me: "I felt males when a kid because I wanted to play soccer like any of the other boys". Ok, why not? Now imagine the same female bodied person growing up in US surburbia where a lot of girls are encouraged to play soccer? Will this person have transitioned?

    You see the point?...

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  70. "Have you ever looked at that critically? Alot of girls growing up have these desires because they get the strong message that masulinity is valued and they want to ape the superficial aspects of that(ie the trappings) to feel valued by extension."

    Personally, I spent years critically looking at my desire for male secondary sex characteristics. This did nothing but waste my time and the process of talking myself out of transitioning became nothing but self-hatred. I already knew that males are more valued in the culture. But if privilege were the main determining factor, why do so many women feel comfortable being women? And presenting as female? Why do women I talk to report having no gender dysphoria whatsoever? How come I'm surrounded by strong, beautiful women who live their lives fiercely every day and still manage to respect my transition as something outside their experience?
    I can see that I get male privilege now. It also seems clear that male privilege can not be the single focal point of transitioning, given the risks and stress of being transsexual in society. It also seems clear that anyone who suggests that it is, is disclosing more about themselves than they are about anyone else.

    It seems like most of you are arguing for the room and space to be non-gender conforming females. I look at women like you and I feel like the world is bigger because of your existence. I'm truly sorry that you look at me and feel that the world is smaller because of mine. You are wrong.

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  71. "Now imagine the same female bodied person growing up in US surburbia where a lot of girls are encouraged to play soccer? Will this person have transitioned?

    You see the point?..."

    Um, no I don't. I played soccer as a girl for years. I was raised by my parents as though there was absolutely NOTHING I could not achieve as a woman. I was taught carpentry, auto repair, and taught to hunt. I came of age as a radical feminist. None of that changed the fact that I am trans.

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  72. "Personally, I spent years critically looking at my desire for male secondary sex characteristics."

    You shouldn't have: I do think that "desire for male secondary sex characteristics" is the only valid and obvious reason for transitioning, a reason that can be understood by anyone (even people far from the GLBT community like my grandma ;) and I will never understand why some trans give reason to transition like "male brain" or "feeling male inside"...I suspect they are sort of intellectual queer scholars to give reason like that.
    Any idea why?
    I don't question the transition desire, I question the reason for transition presented.

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  73. I think they do that to explain why they have the desire for male secondary sex characteristics, or because they feel the need to prove themselves, to prove that they are authentic, etc.

    Also some people that transition are not even transexuals. They seem to want to be androgynous more than anything and in that case I think are misdiagnosed/overdiagnosed.

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  74. anon 12:51

    how horrible. You bully.

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  75. Not saying trans people should follow strict gender stereotypes but I've seen countless videos where the person will state they don't feel quite male or want e.g. lower voice, masculinized face, more muscles but not facial hair, or THAT MUCH body hair, or changes to their genitals. I don't know why they transition or why they are allowed to. Not only you can't pick and choose the effects of T, but there are alternative ways of achieving the level of androgynous they seek, i.e. working out, voice coaching, etc

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  76. I wanted to post something attempting to answer Canadian’s question of how transitioners and intersex are related but it would probably be a waste. My explanation became long because it digressed into: an example of ftm transition always having existed in my culture (without the medical part as that science wasn’t available then and still isn’t there now); my opinion on why there’s an increase in young ftms; the DSM issue, etc. I felt like it was all related but maybe it’s just my writing style that I have difficulty making my point succinct. Either way, I’m not sure what use it would be to post it.
    For one, I’ll probably be accused of giving “long mansplanations in order to confuse/silence/oppress female-at-birth people”, as I have been accused before when posting as Anon – all assumed without me ever stating my gender, though basing that on my gender would probably be sexist anyway.
    Also, I’m not sure this blog is interested in dialogue or bridging the gap between butch/other non conforming women and ftms so my ‘contribution’ or personal experience would not be very welcomed to say the least, and will probably be trashed because it’s personal and has no scientific proof, and the whole trans people have no physical proof which is true so far I suppose.
    Instead, for now, I will share/recommend a book I am planning to read that will HOPEFULLY clear some of this stuff up: http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520260122

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  77. Dirt, publish my post, please. Or at least just the link of that book I wanted to share. I haven't read it yet but it may be good. It's called 'Evolution's Rainbow'.

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  78. Just because I'm being honest and saying you censor stuff here unfairly, e.g. me mentioning that i was accused of giving 'long mansplanations to confuse/silence/opress female at birth people' when i posted as Anon before - all based on assumptions when i am in fact female-at-birth... just because of this you have to remove my comment? What does that violate?

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  79. Sorry to hear about your nephew. I just saw it. Condolences.

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  80. I have a question, I'm FTM and attracted to men, so I've never been part of the lesbian community and don't understand a lot of your own specific terms, what is a 'stone' butch?

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  81. The http://www.youtube.com/user/AYDENandKYLIE break-up is a model of digital natives marketing.

    Some quotes:

    "Guys it is what it is right now. The last thing I need is a guilt trip. I feel like an absolutly fucking horrible person for having to do this but when it comes to me constantly thinking about self harm and suicide I have to give. Every...one close in my life (including my family) knows I have to cut them out eventually but its never forever. I need to be alone to get myself back on track. I dont know whats gonna happen with me and ayden but no matter what he is one of my best friends, I love him very much and I always will. Those things will never change. But right now I am not mentally healthy or stable enough to be in a relationship and he needs to work on his independence because he became very co-dependent on me and thats not okay. Im sorry if no one understands or if no one agrees with my choices, i really dont care. Were still here for everyone if they need....but I need to work on getting healthy and give any ounce of energy I have to my dad and making sure he is okay."

    Question: was he so co-dependent he has transitioned for her?

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  82. @Anon 9:36, in his previous video, Ayden explains he was his mother Barbie doll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAL3xNKl43I
    And so, he just became Kylie Ken doll.
    Ayden has probably developped a pattern of co-dependence when a kid, first with his mother, and now he is repeating it with all women he fells in love with. He should go for therapy otherwise he may damages/changes his body in a way that may not be desirable for him when he will get older.

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  83. Sharon H., I think I love you. :)

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  84. I would just like to say... Some anon who posted wayyyyyy up yonder said that the brain reaches its adult weight at 21. This fact is false. The brain reaches its adult weight at age six. Because that person began their argument with a false statement (which no one else cared to point out).. I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the entire post.

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  85. It often turns out to be that the people who hate a group the hardest are actually jealous of or a secret member of that group.

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  86. "It often turns out to be that the people who hate a group the hardest are actually jealous of or a secret member of that group."

    like white dominant male of the KKK of poor black people?

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  87. like politicians who are extremely homophobic and publicly anti-gay but in the end are caught soliciting gay sex online or in airport bathrooms.

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  88. Some gender questioning people step up and transition because they find the resources they need. Some don't find resources on their first try so they slink back and feel they will never get what they want, so they hate on everyone that does get what they want.

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  89. (I don't consider that 'stepping up' but rather stepping (way) down...)

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  90. it takes a lot of courage to change what society views you as so that you may feel more comfortable with how you view yourself.

    I have a question as to what those here would do if a coworker begin to transition? How about a family member?

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  91. how would you react is what I mean.

    Previous anon.

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  92. Why do people care so much what others do to their own bodies?

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  93. May I suggest joining the Westboro Baptist Church?

    But on second thought...don't, because Evangelical Christians are generally more accepting of trans people than they are of queers.

    They'd make you choose between picketing some fag's funeral over a trans person's-Truly Sophie's Choice for you, I'm sure.

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  94. "like politicians who are extremely homophobic and publicly anti-gay but in the end are caught soliciting gay sex online or in airport bathrooms."

    sweetie, I am perfectly happy who I am and I don't need to mutilate my beautiful body to access males privileges: I have already all. A high paying job, plane piloting, power...I am so sorry for you if, as a woman bodied, you need a sort of approval but silicone balls are will not give you the balls you will never have my sissy friend...

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  95. people who are truly comfortable with their own desires and expressions of gender and sexuality do not have any need to be bothered or concerned by dissimilar expressions and desires in others.

    Dirt is either a self loathing transman who preemptively burned his bridges so he'd never have to transition...

    or dirt is truly is fine with being a lady but fell in love with someone who decided to transition and it broke her heart because she couldn't be in a straight relationship.

    whatever it is that has lead her to making this anti-transman blog it's pathetic.

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  96. Actually what I am, is a feminist, practicing feminism.

    dirt

    And thanksto those who gave condolences, I and my family thank you.

    dirt

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  97. @April 4, 2011 3:08 PM
    I'm in total agreement-my insane ex-gf went on a total fucking RAMPAGE (which is what this is-an internet rampage) against trans people when she couldn't handle my transition.
    And then told me that she, TOO wanted to transition.

    I'd almost excuse this rhetoric if this were coming from a religious POV. Instead, it's someone else who, whether they like it or not, is on the fucking TRANSMASCULINE SPECTRUM.

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  98. "whatever it is that has lead her to making this anti-transman blog it's pathetic."
    I don't find any of those reasons pathetic. She is doing a great job helping young women to make wise choice. Her message is to question your choices and not go for a massec or T like you will do a tattoo or a piercing. She is not a hater. Sh questions a trend. It is very childish not to even understand people may have a different opinion on a topic.
    And for the 2nd reason, I don't know but the first one, Dirt seems to love her female body otherwise do you think she is the kind of woman to be too sissy to do something? Read line after line of this blog and you will see, nobody can stop her.

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  99. Just when you thought you had understood everything about trans and butch, then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpzY8amxoyk

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  100. "it takes a lot of courage to change what society views you as so that you may feel more comfortable with how you view yourself. "

    Changing how society views females is not accomplished by disguising oneself as a male.

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  101. "Evangelical Christians are generally more accepting of trans people than they are of queers."

    Of course they are. Transsexuality is the cure for homosexuality. Just ask Iran.

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  102. Dirt- Sorry for your loss. May your nephew rest in peace.

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  103. I am trans, hear me roar
    In numbers too big to ignore
    And I know too much to go back an' pretend
    'Cause I've heard it all before
    And I've been down there on the floor
    No one's ever gonna keep me down again

    Oh yes, I am wise
    But it's wisdom born of pain
    Yes, I've paid the price
    But look how much I gained
    If I have to
    I can do anything
    I am strong (strong)
    I am invincible (invincible)
    I am transman

    You can bend but never break me
    'Cause it only serves to make me
    More determined to achieve my final goal
    And I come back even stronger
    Not a novice any longer
    'Cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul

    Oh, yes, I am wise
    But it's wisdom born of pain
    Yes, I've paid the price
    But look how much I gained
    If I have to
    I can face anything
    I am strong (strong)
    I am invincible (invincible)
    I am transman

    I am transman watch me grow
    See me standing toe to toe
    As I spread my lovin' arms across the land
    But I'm still an embryo
    With a long, long way to go
    Until I make my sister understand

    Oh, yes, I am wise
    But it's wisdom born of pain
    Yes, I've paid the price
    But look how much I gained
    If I have to
    I can face anything
    I am strong (strong)
    I am invincible (invincible)
    I am transman

    Oh, I am transman
    I am invincible
    I am strong

    I am transman
    I am invincible
    I am strong
    I am transman

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  104. Dirt,

    I too am sorry for your loss. I know losing relatives is painful at best.

    I will keep you and your family in my prayers..

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  105. glad your nephew is dead so he won't know the craziness that is his aunt(?)

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  106. "Changing how society views females is not accomplished by disguising oneself as a male."

    Not trying to change how society views females but rather how society sees me personally. I want them to see me as I see myself and that is as male.

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  107. I doubt that everyone who has issues with how the medical world deals with gender confusion is secretly a transsexual. It's very narrow thinking. I think claiming such falls right into the opposing sides argument = Any time a child doesn't conform to societal gender stereotypes of their sex than there is something "wrong." Either their body is wrong or their brain is wrong, etc. Very few will admit to society being wrong! Personally, I believe everyone is trying to cope with strict gender roles in our society. I don't believe we should handle it by being rude to each other whether you attack some trans teen or Dirt.

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  108. Anonymous said...
    glad your nephew is dead so he won't know the craziness that is his aunt(?)

    April 4, 2011 5:59 PM

    You are truly pathetic troll! And you do not help the plight of the Trans community. Are you a child? And ya wonder why some people feel that young trans people are not mature enough to understand transition. You fail! No wonder dirt kept comments on lock.

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  109. Anon 5:59 you wrote "glad your nephew is dead so he won't know the craziness that is his aunt(?)"

    How disturbed are you to enjoy the death of Dirt nephew? I don't know if you are trans. I suspect you are a childish troll because I don't imagine a transmale, a brother, writing such a shame.

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  110. Anonymous said...

    glad your nephew is dead so he won't know the craziness that is his aunt(?)

    April 4, 2011 5:59 PM


    That's just wrong!!!


    May your nephew rest in peace Dirt!

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  112. Yeah it is wrong for that person to express their hate for Dirt by saying they are glad he is dead but it is not very mature of Dirt to spend all her days trawling the internet so that she can spew hate against those who have done nothing more than take steps needed to feel comfortable and happy within themselves.

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  113. Something new and disturbing has come upon my radar: trans hippies. I've seen them at the bar. Transmen with Guatemalan print shirts and dreadlocks. This must be stopped. If there's anything worse than someone expressing their gender, it's someone doing that AND THEN expressing a personal style. I've also seen trans-goth, trans-bear, trans-straight lumberjacks, trans nerds, trans biker-types, trans executives, regular old trans guys...the list goes on and on. Looking at the wide array, you'd almost have to conclude that these trans people are actually just that- PEOPLE.

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  114. I would be unsurprised if Dirt made that comment herself. The majority of her viewers have little interest in her personal life- only the political and social convictions she makes. I'm wary of attaching this to the trans community. It seems like a ploy. It's far too cliche.

    I have sympathy for anyone who loses a relative. That doesn't mean I consider them good people or human beings - that is based on their actions.

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  115. it is required that transexuals maintain their life of illusion through constant coddling and reassurance, this is why a blog like this will never have any impact on them really, were the folly of their choices to be made clear their entire worlds would crumble, so it's generally a sort of 'does not compute' reaction it seems to anti-transexual thinking, or else plain insults

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  116. No. The concern for this blog has nothing to do with self-image. The concern is that it will encourage hate against the transsexual community that might later affect their ability to say... retain a job, access medical care (even non-transition related care) or even walk down the street without having a bottle thrown. This blog is catering and coddling the kind of people who would perpetuate violence against transpeople. Transpeople speak against it to identify it as hate.

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  117. It doesn't say her nephew died. It says:

    For my Nephew
    RIP R.C.
    June 4th 1987-April 2nd 2011
    You will be missed Ricky.

    It could be that Ricky was her nephew's dog. We don't know.

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  118. @Anon April 4, 2011 8:46 PM

    "This blog is catering and coddling the kind of people who would perpetuate violence against transpeople. Transpeople speak against it to identify it as hate."

    On what do you base that? Can you point to any specific threats, because Dirt can point to serveral threats made against her.

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  119. @9:04 I think it would be quite unusual indeed for a dog to live 23 years.

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  120. Dirt doesn't walk down the street and look over her shoulder. She doesn't worry about being able to find a doctor who would perform a basic physical or provide antibiotics for say... a bronchial infection. On the other hand, Dirt's blog is the kind of fodder used to arm those who would throw bottles, it arms EMTs and justifies them for not performing emergency care, it encourages hate. Dirt may not have pulled the trigger but don't tell me she isn't liable for loading the gun. I hope, for her sake, none of the minors are injured in 3D. Because that's where words end up - they make an impact in 3D.

    I can't verify the authenticity of a threat posted on an anon board. I can verify the names of the transpeople you've exposed and find out if their lives have been impacted. I can see the very real, very violent and hateful way these words affect real, living people. Regardless of your opinion, your intention is violence.

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  121. " Regardless of your opinion, your intention is violence."

    BWahahahaHA. What in bloody hell? You don't like the fact that feminists believe gender is a fiction. So you think their belief is killing you? GROW THE FUCK UP.

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  122. You don't speak for "all" feminists and I choose to keep my reactions to the situation as impersonal as possible. I'm referring more to those whose lives have been impacted by this blog. If you look at the cause and effect of the perpetuation of belief, regardless of the belief, you see that it causes impact to a group of people. I won't use examples of homosexuality or other minorities - we're all well aware of those correlations.

    Instead, I am saying exactly what I said in the previous comment. If you're curious about violence against transgendered people, I suggest google.

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  123. @Anon April 4, 2011 9:22 PM


    "t doesn't walk down the street and look over her shoulder. She doesn't worry about being able to find a doctor who would perform a basic physical or provide antibiotics for say... a bronchial infection."

    Oh? Have you not heard of homophobia??? What makes you think her and other lesbians are not subjected to prejudice?


    "On the other hand, Dirt's blog is the kind of fodder used to arm those who would throw bottles, it arms EMTs and justifies them for not performing emergency care, it encourages hate"

    This is just absurd. Can you point to a single case where this has happened because of this blog??

    "Dirt may not have pulled the trigger but don't tell me she isn't liable for loading the gun."

    Big assumption to make about someone you have not met..and potentially libalous.


    "I can't verify the authenticity of a threat posted on an anon board"

    But you can make assumptions about dirt and others "violent" intent with not one iota of evidence.

    "Regardless of your opinion, your intention is violence."

    Ridiculous. Having a debate about transgendered issues is not violence and the fact that you think so is very telling.

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  124. @Anon
    "Instead, I am saying exactly what I said in the previous comment. If you're curious about violence against transgendered people, I suggest google."

    You made a very specific allegation that this blog caused violence so the burden is on you to provide evidence.

    "I'm referring more to those whose lives have been impacted by this blog. If you look at the cause and effect of the perpetuation of belief, regardless of the belief, you see that it causes impact to a group of people."

    Yes the propogation of beliefs does affect people, that is why people express opinions they seek influence people. I am not sure what you are getting at here...

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  125. Yes, I think this blog perpetuates violence. You use big words like "libel." I use big words like "harassment" and "endangering the well-being of a minor." So, we'll call that a draw. Legally, at this point, neither of us can make a move in criminal or civil court.

    Let's have an experiment. Let's go back through this blog and contact every trans person she's spoken to, exposed or ridiculed. We can do so in anyway you choose. Let's ask them anonymously and find out what the damage is. Let's find out how the posts impacted self-esteem, working conditions, friends, visibility on the internet and in real-life. Let's find out if they've been the victims of violence and then let's talk to the perpetrators and find out why they committed the action. Then, let's compare their justifications to those found on this blog. Then, let's ask ourselves, "Where did it originate?" "Where did it come from?"

    If Dirt has experienced homophobia, then I hope she would have more sympathy for another minority group that is experiencing the same type of discrimination at her hands. The anti-homosexual pamphlets distributed to college students in the 60's and 70's were, if I remember, shockingly similar in their justifications of hate.

    But, people have compared the homosexual movement to the transsexual movement. People have held up this blog to homophobia and said "Compare these." The result has been naught.

    Hate is difficult to see when it's being seen in a mirror.

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  126. @Anon April 4, 2011 9:41 PM



    "Let's have an experiment. Let's go back through this blog and contact every trans person she's spoken to, exposed or ridiculed. We can do so in anyway you choose. Let's ask them anonymously and find out what the damage is. Let's find out how the posts impacted self-esteem, working conditions, friends, visibility on the internet and in real-life. Let's find out if they've been the victims of violence and then let's talk to the perpetrators and find out why they committed the action. Then, let's compare their justifications to those found on this blog. Then, let's ask ourselves, "Where did it originate?" "Where did it come from?"


    Be my guest...you are the one that made the charge, now get the evidence.

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  127. I find it incredibly hard to have a debate when someone continues to delete my comments. I would appreciate it, since this is an "open discussion post," if you would stop deleted my posts.

    Canadian, I must apologize. We will be unable to have a debate. My posts are being deleted for some reason. Would you like to take our words to another forum or have you no interest in what I have to say?

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  128. Canadian - someone keeps deleting my posts. It's saddening to me because they were quite good.

    Would you like to take this discussion elsewhere? We will be unable to have a quality debate. It would appear that, for some reason, someone is ensuring that my posts don't appear. Are you having this same problem?

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  129. Canadian, I'd like to have a serious debate with you. What forum is your preference? Livejournal? Some sort of chat room? We can't have a censored conversation but I'm okay with having a private one. Let's talk.

    I want to know why it's so important for this movement to isolate and expose minors - possibly exposing them to horrible things. I want to know how that's "helping" lesbians.

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  130. asd

    "Burden of proof" is necessary in the forum of common sense? It's common sense that if you ridicule, expose and harass an individual, the result is viol ence. That is simple ethics. Sink yourself into memories of a time when you were discri minated against. You remember what it looked like? Was it name-calling? Was it rejection? Was it ridicule? Did it open up less opportunities?

    Use your own personal evidence to identify what this blog is doing to others.

    This blog is harmful to people. Morally and ethically it is bad. This is no clean debate that identifies a problem and provides a solution. This is blatant name-calling.

    By identifying people, making them more visible, Dirt is opening the door to viole nce.

    There's a simple way to make this blog a serious, dedicated attempt at addressing issues in the lesbian community - stop exposing specific individuals. You're hurting real, living people.

    This viol ence is impacting people's real lives. Dest roying them in the same way that others' lives have been destr oyed by hate.

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  131. "Burden of proof" is necessary in the forum of common sense? It's common sense that if you ridicule, expose and harass an individual, the result is violence. That is simple ethics. Sink yourself into memories of a time when you were discriminated against. You remember what it looked like? Was it name-calling? Was it rejection? Was it ridicule? Did it open up less opportunities?

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  132. Use your own personal evidence to identify what this blog is doing to others.

    This blog is harmful to people. Morally and ethically it is bad. This is no clean debate that identifies a problem and provides a solution. This is blatant name-calling.

    By identifying people, making them more visible, Dirt is opening the door to violence.

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  133. There's a simple way to make this blog a serious, dedicated attempt at addressing issues in the lesbian community - stop exposing specific individuals. You're hurting real, living people.

    This violence is impacting people's real lives. Destroying them in the same way that others' lives have been destroyed by hate.

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  134. I just don't get it. I don't get what the reason is why people would do this to other people. It doesn't help them. It only hurts them. Am I ignorant in that I believe that people want to do what's best for one another? How could one think that this type of endangering exposure... this type of justificati on for violence... is anything but counterproductive?

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  135. "But, people have compared the homosexual movement to the transsexual movement. People have held up this blog to homophobia and said "Compare these." The result has been naught.

    Hate is difficult to see when it's being seen in a mirror."
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    What does that even mean? Seriously, are you high???

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  136. The sentence is referring to the parallels between this blog and homophobia. They keys being: exposure, ridicule, and endangerment.

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  137. Gays believe in exposure. It's called being out and proud. It's what the gay rights movement was built on. Trans are the opposite. They believe in being closeted. Gays are against pretending to be straight. FTMs want to pretend to be male. Total opposites.

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  138. "You don't like the fact that feminists believe gender is a fiction. "

    if that were true there wouldn't be feminists.

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  139. Well, look at a few examples I could present. Recently, gays were protected by "don't ask, don't tell" which granted them protections in the military because exposure could lead to negative repercussions. Let me know if you need more examples. Being "out" is dangerous in accordance to acceptance and tolerance.

    This blog is merely inciting and vindicating hate crimes.

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  140. "if that were true there wouldn't be feminists."

    this doesn't even make any sense. you're high.

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  141. "Recently, gays were protected by "don't ask, don't tell" which granted them protections in the military because exposure could lead to negative repercussions.
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    Are you daft? DADT harmed gays, it didn't protect them. More lesbians and gays were discharged under DADT than at any other time in the history of the military. You really are deeply confused.

    "Let me know if you need more examples. Being "out" is dangerous in accordance to acceptance and tolerance."
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    So you're saying gays and lesbians should go back in the closet? Because being out is dangerous? My god we'd still be living back in the dark ages if it were up to homophobes and haters and closet cases like you.

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  142. Feminists strive for equality between men and women. Saying gender is fictions implies that the stereotypes we know as men and women do not exist and thus there is no need for equality.

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  143. "This blog is merely inciting and vindicating hate crimes."

    The only hate crime is whatever you've done to your poor brain.

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  144. LOL at you calling them a hater when you are doing just that hating, but instead of on gays you are hating on trans people.

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  145. Anonymous said...
    Feminists strive for equality between men and women. Saying gender is fictions implies that the stereotypes we know as men and women do not exist and thus there is no need for equality.

    April 4, 2011 10:43 PM

    Saying gender is a fiction implies that the stereotypes we impose on men and women are fictional and thus there is a need for equality.

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  146. If stereotypes are fictional there would be no difference between men and women and no need for equality.

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  147. "Anonymous said...
    If stereotypes are fictional there would be no difference between men and women and no need for equality.

    April 4, 2011 10:54 PM"

    There is a difference between men and women. Biological sex.

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  148. So, how do you feel about males who transition to female? I bet you like that, dont you? Since your argument against FTM is so geared by "misogyny"....

    People need to be who they need to be, and you are disgusting.

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  149. People do need to be who they are. On that we agree. There is no such thing as a sex change.

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  150. "..and you are disgusting."

    I know you are but what am I ?

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  151. @Anon
    "I want to know why it's so important for this movement to isolate and expose minors - possibly exposing them to horrible things. I want to know how that's "helping" lesbians"

    These minors have already exposed themselves to the widest audiance on youtube, in contrast to this blog which as an audiance of 100 people at most.

    The fact of people coming to harm from exposure here is extremely small when compared to their audience on youtube, and that was their choice.

    They choose to expose themselves to that wide of an audience and they run the risk that someone who knows them will recognize them via that youtube exposure and that has nothing to do with Dirt.

    Since you are wringing your hands over such exposure on the net which is just pictures and not personal ID's such as email and place of residence are you prepared to condemn an "anti dirt" site and serveral posters for revealing Dirts full name, place of residence and email address for all to see?

    As a final aside, I am not prepared to exchange my email with any trans activists and risk having my personal info spread all over the net either.

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  152. I think I realized what's going on here. I found a perfect video representation of the conflict:
    http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2011/03/29

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  153. "This blog is merely inciting and vindicating hate crimes."

    Totally wrong: the only feeling this blog inspired me toward those mutilated chemically altered woman is "compassion".

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  154. @:D , Do you really ask Dirt to remove 80% of the contributions of her readers? Are you an idiot? Do you think she is stupid and will not get you ask her to censor her own blog? Do you think it is an open forum just for you the way you like it? Dirt does what she wants in her blog including keeping anonymous comments if she feels they are relevant. If you want your own blog and forum, create yours but I bet you will never get the exposure she gets through her hard work and dedication.
    Nice try moron.

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  155. "glad your nephew is dead so he won't know the craziness that is his aunt"

    trans trolling at it's best. You guys are sick.

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  156. I'm reposting this comment from another thread because clearly the people who are accusing dirt and followers of this blog of hate and violence just don't seem to get it.

    Most of the butch identified women that follow this blog & regularly comment- thought at one point in their lives that they were "born in the wrong body".
    Most of the commenters also never ever perpetuate violence in any way, shape or form, let alone hate of any kind.

    Is it hard to grasp that we have maybe "been there, felt that"- that humans in general are really not all that unique.

    We are here to share our stories and life experience to those who have also questioned their gender/how their sex is displayed to society- and show that hey, I too, felt like I was born to be a boy, but as I aged and matured and accepted the fact that society has pressured me to feel like the only validation I can get with how I feel internally is to transition- WE GET IT. We have felt it.

    We are here to show that there can be another option besides actually forcing our bodies medically to be something they were not naturally made to be. We are here to show that with WORK- (both physically and most importantly mentally)- that GID and body dsyphoria can be overcome without permanently changing our bodies, but changing our perceptions.

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  157. I agree with jj entirely
    I do sometimes get a little wilded-up over the topic
    it does cause something of a visceral reaction
    But it's not one of hate or violence
    It's more of a terrible frustration in the lack of logic and good sense in the trans/'queer' movements of today

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  158. beautiful comment jj.

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  159. Dirt,
    Sorry that they even brought your family into this conversation........sick people...........xo femme mystique

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  160. "I too, felt like I was born to be a boy, but as I aged and matured and accepted the fact that society has pressured me to feel like the only validation I can get with how I feel internally is to transition- WE GET IT. We have felt it."

    This is a very impassioned plea, but in a very simple sense-you don't get it. Because you isolated the single causation behind transitioning as being society's validation, you don't get it and that is very clear. When you imagine something without experiencing it, it is abstract. You may have felt the value that society places on males, but you did not feel that you are actually male. There are others factors that you don't understand, or you would not have been successful at talking yourself out of transitioning. You *discovered* that you are a female who was almost swayed by society's pressure to do something to your body that would not have worked for you. Understanding gendered power dynamics does not eliminate the desire for the physical experience of testosterone. It never can. People have a very personal experience with their bodies outside of the social sphere. Don't you? At least for me, there has been a very profound, irrefutable experience in the physicality of testosterone. I appreciate that you are reaching out to those who would be confused, but you cannot reduce causality to a single factor. I do hope you reach people who may be swayed for the wrong reasons. It's in my best interest to have fewer women projecting their power complexes onto transmen. 90% of the posts on this blog would not exist if the women here dealt with accepting their own gender rather than attacking ftm's for ours.

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  161. anon @ 2:31

    "You may have felt the value that society places on males, but you did not feel that you are actually male."

    Did you not read above where I said that I too felt like I was born as a boy? Not sure your getting what I'm saying at all.
    How can you tell me that I didn't actually feel male. I did in fact for many, many years. So you don't get to tell me what I did or didn't feel. I spent many years hating my body and being severely depressed about it, even attempted suicide twice as a young person.
    I know there are others like me out there. So my story is for them- not you.

    I was also pressured by the trans community to come out as trans many times, especially when younger.

    So tell me what's your issue with me sharing my experiences and journey- as I thought that was just what this forum was for. Oh wait, let me guess I was never "trans" because in the end I didn't decide to transition?! Surely I have no idea what it's like to hate ones female body, to feel stuck in it, to want to appear more masculine, etc, etc, etc...

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  162. she just likes the feeling of the power of testosterone
    it's sort of being forced into a lifetime of drug addiction

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  163. "So tell me what's your issue with me sharing my experiences and journey- as I thought that was just what this forum was for. Oh wait, let me guess I was never "trans" because in the end I didn't decide to transition?! Surely I have no idea what it's like to hate ones female body, to feel stuck in it, to want to appear more masculine, etc, etc, etc..."

    I have no issue with you sharing your experience here. I'm not trying to take away the truth of your experience. Are you trying to take away mine? Are you trying to say that you made a superior choice by working through your stuff with therapy? Are you trying to say that you are trans and that I shouldn't tell you you aren't?

    I experienced alot of pressure not to transition from my butch friends. They took it personally-as if we had shared an existence up to that point. I don't happen to believe that anyone actually shares existences or experiences as much as they believe they do based on shared demographics. In fact I believe that that particular kind of projection causes alot of strife and confusion. I also thinks that it blocks the process of differentiation and access to compassion for others whose experience has been different than one's own. I think that is the main reason for so much of the anger towards trans people found here.

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  164. Even if one doesn't believe in what Dirt preaches, she's still human and it still fucking hurts to lose someone. I don't agree with most of what Dirt says, but she's entitled to her opinion, as we all are. Don't like it? Stop reading. It's her blog.
    Shame on the person who feels joy at the loss of a life.
    As another human being, I offer my biggest condolences to Dirt.

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  165. I don't deny that trans exists. However- not nearly to the degree that we are seeing it in our youth nowadays. I'm assuming in your ability to have a civil conversation without namecalling etc, that you are a adult who has the luxury of hindsight of your own youth.
    I'm not here to say what anyones experience is or to minimize it in any way.
    But I can say and stick by my growing belief that as I age, I see more and more how when we are young, we do tend to act out in the same ways as human beings. I can say that having worked with youth for many years, their actions- across many demographics- are quite predictable. It was surprising at first, but I'm sure if you talk to anyone who has had experience working with the youth- that they would agree. Sure there is the occasional 'black sheep'- but for the most part youth are very much influenced by peer pressure let alone societal pressure. And they do act on those pressures without much thought of consequence much more frequently than a person who is older does.
    We can all see this displayed both in real life and on the internet.

    So I guess you could say that my issue with this whole thing is the vast numbers of youth, who are able to gain easy access to permanent alterations to their bodies/psyche.

    It's a super hard road to go down either way, I agree. And I'm not convinced that GID goes away for either the butch or the ftm- transition or no transition.

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  166. JJ, thanks for a respectful response. I'm torn, because I do feel that some young people are transitioning for what might be a passing fancy. I'm not sure I can understand trans regret very well, because I have not been able to talk to anyone or even find anyone who can describe it. I feel that I there were alot of things I did not know about life when I was young, but my gender was not one of them. Had I transitioned earlier, the effects on my body would have been even more profound. So I wouldn't want to deny that to someone else by regulating the age of starting T....so I'm torn. I also don't believe that being trans is a tragedy and I think that the tragic paradigm will eventually give way to a healthier view on transsexuality.

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  167. Also, I do think you make good points about youth and peer pressure. I can't relate to that story because I was so much older when I transitioned. In some ways I feel jealous of those who transitioned at a younger age because testosterone affects a younger female body so profoundly, and the female hips tend to widen at age 27 or so. Plus younger ftm's tend to have larger, uh, privates. Don't get me wrong-I look good ;). I have to convince people I'm trans when I decide to come out, but still...
    Additionally, I think there might be mental differences between someone who experiences a second puberty much closer to the first. At least, their pubescent behavior may be excused! Puberty at 30 is inconvenient for everyone involved!

    In transitioning, I felt very, very, *very* alone. Like stepping- off-a-cliff-into-the-abyss alone. I had felt a really strong pressure to transition previously and kind of had a paranoid freak-out. I really felt that trans people were coming for me to tell me who I really was or make me identify. I searched my conversations with transmen for any remote clue that they were pressuring me to transition. They weren't. No matter how I tried to paint it. It was and is *extremely* taboo to do that in the circles I run in. I eventually had to be honest that the pressure was coming from me. That *I* was the one who could never let it go. Nobody else actually gave a crap except my butch friends. Of course I understood, because who wants to lose compadres in their struggle to exist as butch, even if a friend's transition means they can be more present for you as a person? Was it more important that I remain "butch" but longing for transition or accept my desire and be a good friend to myself and to others? All I know is that my desire did not go away, despite barraging myself with guilt and fear. I was convinced my biological family would disown me if I transitioned. That was scary, but a fear which held so much more power over me was the rejection of my chosen queer family.

    So I see your point about young kids being pressured. To be sure, there is some laddish behavior amongst young ftm's. Those teenagers are about as lost as any other teenager. Why should I expect more from them? I guess what I'm confused about is this: what is actually being lost and who is losing it? I can see being proud of getting to the end of your life and feeling like you stuck it to the man by remaining female. That seems worthy and I will never know how that feels. I can't be sure that I ever would have, given my absolute desire for male physicality, which has been present from such a tender and innocent age.

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  168. I too am really glad we are able to have this honest and respectful conversation. I really do respect your story and your decision- as it seems very thought out and sincere.
    I'm with you on being torn. I am really torn- and the more reading and research I do, the more torn I get. And the older I get the more torn I get. I'm glad you were only pressured by yourself to transition. I had just the opposite- In my queer circles during my twenties- (I'm 37 now, but of course can still pass as a early 20's male)- many of my friends were butches who then transitioned. I witnessed that it started with the most outgoing popular one, and spread like wildfire. All of my butch friends were suddenly doing T and having like little parties with youtube and t injections at their houses. I saw my butch community divided and a new "boi's club" type of thing was the result.
    There was this underlying competition of appearing masculine. I have always appeared very masculine without having to bind, etc. But I even found myself falling prey to trying to prove myself- by upping the anti- and putting up even more of a masculine front. I was asked again and again by both the ftm's and the femmes when I too was going to transition. It was like, just because I was naturally very boy looking that I must be going to transition.
    Don't get me wrong- internally I went back and forth with the idea for many years. I've always had extream lower body dsyphoria. I could of been considered a stone butch for most of my adult life. To this day I've never had a pap smear!
    But to counter the ongoing discomfort with my body I do other things. I eat very healthy, and I exercise target areas to keep my hips slim and my upper body bigger- creating more of a triangle look.
    But I honestly do feel that all the years (even as a child) that I felt like I had to be male- that I was internally male- that really in retrospect it was female hate. That I hated the female inside me. And I hated my female body, still do many days. I like that because I look the way I do, most men look right past me. It's a constant struggle.
    But being steadfast in my butchness- resolute in being female, I'm slowly finding great strength in it. I used to be so flattered when people called me sir- because It was like- I'm able to fool them- that I really do present as male. But that has faded into when people 'sir' me now- I am proud to correct them, and watch their expression change, and almost see how it's making them view their own idea of 'woman' a bit differently. I see this especially in kids- which of course I think we need more of. Showing kids that it's ok to be a woman- and look like I do. It's empowering for me, way more than me feeling just a ego boost by feeling like I'm fooling the world.

    (this is just my experience- I'm not saying my choices are better than others.)

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  169. Did you not read above where I said that I too felt like I was born as a boy? Not sure your getting what I'm saying at all.
    How can you tell me that I didn't actually feel male.


    It is true that no one else can decide for you how you are supposed to feel. But at the same, it is entirely possible for someone else to mention that how you choose to interpret those feelings, is indeed non-rational.

    It's obvious that trans folk feel unhappy -- notice that I am not deciding for them how they "should" feel. Yet I can say with absolute certainty that "feeling like a squirrel therefore I must be a squirrel" is utilizing a logically invalid sentence structure. You must must must define what you mean by squirrel.

    Must. It's mandatory. And as soon as you do, "feeling like a squirrel" becomes more accurately "I feel like how I assume a born squirrel SHOULD feel".

    Do you notice what you just did? You did the very thing that YOU INSISTED other people aren't allowed to do -- decide for someone else how they "should" feel. Welcome to hypocrisy.

    But there's more! Your interpretation hinges upon an assumption for which you have neither proof nor evidence and and even IF you had a shred of evidence cannot be applied to ALL squirrels (which automatically infers that no essential essence of a squirrel exists). Which means it's nothing more than your opinion.

    Civil rights are not based upon your opinion. Mental illness, however, is the only category for which your opinion stands.

    My objection, as always, is this nefarious intention to apply an essential essence to the female body. That's the very foundation of sexism.

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  170. JJ, I am sorry that so many people pressured you to transition. That is FUCKED. Where I live, people would be shunned from the queer community for doing that. I mean, I guess there is a gray area if you were vocally processing stuff for a number of years and your friends felt they had to...forcefully show their support should you decide to transition... I dunno. I guess I've had that shit-or-get-off-the-pot feeling about some other friends in terrible relationships or other long struggles. But there isn't a good excuse and it doesn't sound very mature or loving to pressure someone. Maybe your consolation could be that those ftm friends of yours will have to deal with being male in the world and it is not the tea party that some would think...I swear to you that men have a burden too...

    My retrospective feeling is that I was simultaneously resentful of any perceived pressure to transition (which wasn't actually happening), and also feeling left out by the whole trans thing and secretly wanting to be invited in. Actually, I was kind of outraged that these people had been able to do what I always wanted to do. I was so critical of their bodies and ability to pass-whereas I was pretty tall and muscular already. I felt that I had always been a boy in the body I had, and here come these people making the shit all *specific*. Like there was only one way to be a real boy. That really pissed me off. Their identifying made me feel as if I had to identify, and that felt like encroachment. My butch friends were negative, but so was I. We egged each other on. But my protests and condemnation of transmen started ringing so false after years, whereas I believe my truly butch friends felt a resonating truth being spoken during those hate sessions. I got tired of my own broken record. One thing I *cannot* stand is bullshitting myself.
    I changed my name and my pronoun ad stayed in my female body for 4 years or so. I know I did alot of good thinking, but I do regret those years in some way. I needed time to process and I wanted a boyhood before I had a manhood, but fear and self-hatred mostly kept me from transitioning. I had major feminist qualms about male privilege, but then I also had no idea what a bitch it can be to be perceived as male. You don't know until you try it (and can't reveal yourself to be anything else). I was also very concerned about the future of the butches. On this question I'm still stuck...is it my responsibility to maintain the membership of a group which I never really fit in anyway?
    Well, I've gone on and on about myself but not addressed your points. I think it's rad that you have a strong feeling when you reveal your female self to people who take you for male. I only get anything close to that when I reveal my transness to someone who hits on me. I do want them to know that we are real, that we are attractive, and that we are human.
    I get what you say about fooling the world. Sometimes I do feel that I've pulled a fast one. But one thing I am sure of is that the paradigm of transness involves alot of shame. I'm not sure this is a permanent condition in terms of public perception but people hear "transsexual" and they immediately assume that we all hated ourselves before we transitioned. I consider that I loved myself enough to transition. But I do not want to physically represent self-hatred to people, so I don't come out too much. If I trusted that trans did not equal special, unique, different, sad, tragic, or pathetic, I'd be much more open to being out.
    Re: lower body dysphoria. That's a tough one. I never had it. Maybe I'm just too much of a slut, but I like to use what I got. I mean, I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to have a big dick, but I don't. I really, really wish you would go and have a pap smear. It can save your life. Believe me, it's no party to go to Planned Parenthood or some other free clinic and hafta be the male vagina of the day, but fuck that...your life is more important.

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  171. "Civil rights are not based upon your opinion."

    No, but my opinion of transness has never been that high either. That won't change the fact that I am trans.

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  172. m Andrea:

    "It is true that no one else can decide for you how you are supposed to feel. But at the same, it is entirely possible for someone else to mention that how you choose to interpret those feelings, is indeed non-rational."

    exactly- i agree that in my youth when i "felt like a boy" was not rational. it's a elementary way of feeling, which is fitting because i was very young. it's also the way i chose to say it, as it was also the way i heard everyone else say it.

    "But there's more! Your interpretation hinges upon an assumption for which you have neither proof nor evidence and and even IF you had a shred of evidence cannot be applied to ALL squirrels (which automatically infers that no essential essence of a squirrel exists). Which means it's nothing more than your opinion."

    again your correct. i was explaining my singular experience in life with my own personal gender struggle. nothing more than my own opinion.

    i've never claimed that anything i'm saying is anything beyond my own opinion.

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  173. Inquiring Minds Want to knowApril 10, 2011 at 12:26 PM

    Sometimes I wonder if this blog was made by a Gay Male/Man saying the same things that Dirt is would the responses be different...would the lightbulb go off in every Tranguys head and make them say "I think he has a point here"

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  174. IMTK - maybe it would make a difference. However the reality is that no man would care enough to write this blog. It's definitely a women's issue.

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  175. It's too bad

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