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Saturday, April 16, 2011

Female Transition-The Ultimate in Female Self Hatred

Society is responsible for the female self hating mentality behind these images, but the male medical machine is responsible for the helping these women to realize their female self hatred in the flesh.

Note, no matter the years on "T", no matter how butchered the pussy, no matter the abnormal body hair, the female body remains firmly intact, which is why after all the periodic "trans highs", dysphoria ALWAYS returns. Transition isnt a cure for female self hatred, transition IS female self hatred!

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  1. This isn't okay yet boob jobs and cosmetic surgery is okay when females do it? If it makes someone feel better about themselves then so be it.

    I've seen men in porn or at dungeon parties with smaller dicks than these fellas.

    I don't see anything wrong with this. It's to each their own. They aren't hurting you or making you do it so why worry about what others are doing?

    I know 2 women in my life who have had their breasts enlarged and no they aren't straight so you can't say that they did it for their men. They did it to make themselves feel good about themselves.

    Why worry about what others are doing? If having cosmetic surgeries make someone feel better about themselves then so be it.

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  2. ignorancecanbechangedApril 17, 2011 at 12:44 AM

    @ brandon and anonymous apill 16,2011 10:54 pm.... true enough you guys are right. there are people to worried about things that have nothing to do with them like today there was a protest at a funeral because the people protesting did not want gay people in the military... the man that died for his country was straight... trans people want nothing to do with you "dirt" why do you keep pressing the issue when the choice does not belong to you it isnt like you will be sleepingwith them so why does size matter i thought you were lesbian.... that means you want either plastic or fingers not a dick.... i mean unless you are a gay trans man or maybe straight but hmmm that is a brain teaser... if you hate it so much do a protest at the clinic like the people against abortion do... but wait a minute we do have the pursuit to happiness FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS just like you can give your OPINION... sooo you should tell us why you give such a damn if you aint sleeping with a trans person lead alone seeing his dick or his chest... why dont you antagonize the mtf see what they have to say they just want to be females and some may be lesbians you could potintially see and sleep and touch them... you may get farther in your argument or maybe not....

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  3. So incredibly disgusting and woman-hating. Hopefully these surgeons will be protested and stripped of their licenses as the poster @ 12:44 suggested. Gays and Lesbians really should set up pickets outside these doctors offices. Transgenderism is the most homophobic and conservative philosophy- far beyond anything the right wing has ever come up with.

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  4. so sad seeing their female hands in these photos

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  5. Brandon
    Are you in the pornography industry?

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  6. Could anybody find these things arousing? I guess that's why so many just resort to being fucked by men?

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  7. Brandon,

    These females are no different than the self hating females informed by misogyny that seek to change their appearance through cosmetics, I dont recall EVER saying any different.

    And the size of a man's dick has zero to do with the brutalization of a women's body at the hands of men, not sure why you would make such a leap.

    Also there is absolutely no proof that ANY cosmetic surgery makes the patient "happy". True happiness comes from within, it cannot be bought or carved from without.

    dirt

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  8. GB,

    They wind up desiring/getting fucked by men because the testosterone alters their brain.

    dirt

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  9. i think it's a combination of the testosterone making more dick-worshiping brains
    and bodies (& behaviors) that become increasingly unattractive to women

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  10. i proudly hate my female body but i wouldnt show u images of what i hate, if those surgeries make it bareble for me to continue living then id rather have a surgically altered fake dick then live with pussy and tits i dont want

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  11. You proudly hate your female body?
    I wonder if kids like this who clearly don't get a good education also are not being properly taught ethics, logic, values- general life-skills...

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  12. Try as they may, they will never get rid of their female bodies. Somebody above mentioned the female hands. In the pictures I find the slender female hands not just sad, but creepy as well.

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  13. Mouse, you are so right. These kids are being raised by electronic devices, pop culture and their peers. The parents aren't paying any attention- they're too busy, and the schools are woefully inadequate. As a result, we have Brave New World, 1984 and Idiocracy all rolled into one.

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  14. It's just so amazing how what's in these men's pants ISN'T YOUR PLACE TO JUDGE.
    Oh, they posted these pics on the web for everyone to see? Yes, to show that they're HAPPY with the results. Still, not your place to judge and put your two cents.
    To you, it may look like mutilation, to me, an open-minded individual- it looks fucking beautiful.

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    1. It's mutilation. It doesn't look like male genitalia, and these aren't men. Quit playing mind games with yourself.

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  15. "Brandon
    Are you in the pornography industry?"

    Uh no are you??? What because I have watched some porn in my life you are gonna ask me if I'm in the porn industry?

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  16. Anon@11:56,

    The waters of female self hatred run deep.

    Interesting you're "open minded" enough to see the "beautiful" in the absurd, but not open minded enough to see the power and the beauty in expanding the narrow notions of woman so they do not believe they have to drug and carve themselves up to expand what is possible for them. Very sad as well as telling.

    dirt

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  17. I'm open-minded in the sense that I don't care what people do with their bodies because it's their bodies and I was taught not to judge others.
    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

    Also, if posting people's pictures and trashing them is the only way you think you can be a feminist- you may want to learn a thing or two. There are more serious things that you could work on than trying to make (trans)men a bad name.

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    1. @Anonymous April 17, 2011 at 1:18 PM

      If I hated my own body that much, I wouldn't want others to agree that my body is hateful and schedule me for surgery. I would want them to help me develop genuine acceptance for my body. Society doesn't explicitly encourage and enable any other form of physical dysphoria (BIID, disordered eating, etc). Gender dysphoria is no different.

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  18. fuck you bitch stop posting pics that aint yours!!

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  19. I am straight and I do not how those persons "bought" the idea those surgeries results were looking like male genetalia. It does not look like dick or anything close to what we can find in nature. The 2 cm small penis is grotesque and so is the flat dick looking like a dead tyre...The doctor sold those women atrocity because those women have never seen real dick in real life...

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  20. sorry, Brandon
    your mention of dungeons, miniature-penis-porn, and multiple female friends getting breast-enlargements made me wonder.
    thanks for the (dirty)window into your life!

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  21. Niina,

    That one's 2 1/2 inches, more than 6 cm. I don't know for sure but I think that's pretty long for a flaccid penis.

    Of course no penis has the range of possibilities the clitoris + vagina + everything else + strap-on cock does.

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    1. That "penis" is not flaccid. That is an erect clitoris. That is the fully erect length.

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  22. ha! no, 2 1/2 inches is well below average size!

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  23. Anon, the picture is from Europe. It is a 2 cm thing. Stop being inches and us metrics centric and use your comon sense: the hands are near to it ;)

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  24. what in the fuck am i even looking at?? gross.

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  25. anon @ 2:53

    ummmm....LMAO! wtf are you talking about? That's the kind of delusional statement only an insecure FTM could come up with.

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  26. Third from the bottom look good to me, and it's the guys actual anatomy, so there is nothing added on and he can become erect and penetrate. I've seen bio-guys smaller than that walking down the nude beach where I live. I posted this before but it got deleted. Why?

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    1. Right. I would be better off penetrating someone with my pinky finger.

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  27. You think we are putting you in a little box labeled "Women" when we transition, but really it's not about you at all. Let go of the notion that we belong to you, or your category, in any way, and the problem will be solved.

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    1. So you're saying class analysis should be discarded?

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    2. Also, "transition" is a pretty benign word for the kind of butchery, pharmaceutical slavery, cognitive dissonance, and internalized misogyny you are promoting.

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  28. Who gives a fuck if there are actual men with ~smaller penises than that~???!

    You are missing the point as usual.

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  29. "Let go of the notion that we belong to you, or your category, in any way, and the problem will be solved."

    Do you mean the 'notion' that you are female?
    That's not a notion; it's fact. Is that our category?

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  30. No, the notion that we are "of" you in any way and must return to the flock and change our understanding of ourselves. The notion that causes you to try and tell us what and who we are. Regardless of how we were born, we certainly cannot accurately be described as "women" now, and it's very unlikely that Dirt or any of you will change our minds about how we want to be in our bodies. Personally I think we are fucking beautiful and hot, and sexy.

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    1. Eww. Sexy? Definitely not. Silicone testicle implants? That is not healthy. I hope you don't end up with an autoimmune disease from siliconosis.

      Being a woman has nothing to do with anything outside of the sex of your body. If you are autistic and have a hyper-linear brain but a female body, you are female. Period. Sorry you were misinformed.

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  31. "Niina,

    I'm pretty sure those are inches. The guy's phallo is at least 2/3 the length of his fingers, and the tape measure divides things into eights, not tenths.

    And no, I'm not FtM."

    What you see is not a phallo but a metoidioplasty hence the 2 1/2 cm...I am pretty sure Dirt can confirm.

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  32. ...Ok, please tell me you all know how to use a measuring tape. That picture shows 2 and a half inches. Two centimeters is less than an inch, and is about the length from the tip of your finger to your first knuckle. Just an FYI.

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  33. Who cares if it's inches or centimeters? The point is the FtM's can save their breath as far as "there are men with smaller dicks, this or that doesn't really matter, etc." Obviously all these things matter a great deal to them, otherwise they wouldn't be going to all the effort to become artifical men.

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  34. can people be made 'hot and sexy' only from magical medicine and surgery? (i guess it's the logic of plastic-surgery devotees)
    i guess this is why many ftm's end up pairing up, because only they find this kind of thing hot and sexy
    (i know some lesbians get with them, but i think they leave after things like those pictured above start to appear on their female bodies)
    (and i know real men sometimes fuck them but that's just for the 'front-hole)
    anyway, keep repeating your affirmations and maybe the illusion of hot and sexy maleness will persist...

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  35. I couldn't see anything "hot and sexy" or even remotely sensual in any of these photos. Who wants to sleep with an art project?

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  36. I'd like to say what everyone is scared to say:
    If you need all these things to stay alive, maybe you shouldn't stay alive...
    It's called 'survival of the fittest,' no?
    Also, this "we're beautiful, hot, and sexy' stuff reminds me of a show I saw on TV once (about modern transexuals) in which a FTM remarked, 'There's a reason this is called a 'hero's journey.'' Who exactly calls it a 'hero's journey?' Only they themselves call it that! Jihadists and other extremists also think they're heroes.

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  37. Well, maybe butch lesbians should kill themselves. After all, you want to look like men, but retain the victim status of women. You want to wear men's clothing, which is not built for female body fat pattern. It looks stupid. You want to go out in the world and have people accept that you are "just as good" as men, but then come back to the safe little haven of sisterhood, where you will be applauded for the masculinity you are co-opting from men. Very few men will actually attack you, because they are raised not to hit women, so you can be loudmouth little barnyard roosters in public, and everyone has to step aside and let you act all dominant, because it's not cool to tell you what they really think of your act. You want the wages of men, but cannot actually perform the physical labor (or intellectual tasks) that men can. You cannot produce sperm. Your very existence is contingent upon the tolerance of society for your "specialness". How fit does all of this make you in Darwin's interpretation?

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  38. Most of the ftm's I know are in long-term relationships with women or men. I know about as many ftm lonely boys as I do lonely dykes. You can continue to assert that we are sad, ugly and lonely, but the opposite is true. We do get lots of sexual attention, and there are many people who actually love us for who we are and/or find that ftm bodies are *exactly* what they desire. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to accept, but it's true regardless.

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    1. It's true, even that guy who had severe facial deformities cuz his mother worked at Dow Chemical found love.

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  39. @Rip,

    Why shouldnt they be alive? Because ftMs have bought into the female self hatred all women buy into to some extent? Were that the case then perhaps we all should be dead according to you.

    dirt

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  40. Anon@2:19,

    Butches do not remotely resemble men, that you would think that only goes to reinforce my entire blog.

    thank you for proving female transition is due to patriarchal conditioning.

    dirt

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  41. Anon@2:25,

    Not sure where you're coming from or if you're commenting in the wrong post, but long term relationships do not equal HEALTHY relationships, which all ftM forums, videos and groups online and off, illustrate isnt few and far between if at all sadly.

    Also explains after many ftMs sexuality changes due to T, most wind up with each other. Gay men will use them as fuck wholes and some young straight women will use them as a temporary fashion accessory, but neither are interested in serious relationships with ftMs.

    dirt

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  42. I was sort of implying that they DO NOT require these things for life
    They are always saying 'if I don't transition I will kill myself'
    which is ridiculous, as is the anti-butch comment above.

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  43. I understand Rip, and it is frustrating, but rather than say "jump", how about asking "why jump"?

    Thats all I'm saying. Until we begin asking why, this female self hatred will continue.

    dirt

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  44. (& I do not consider myself 'butch-' I'm an in-between)

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  45. lolololololololololApril 18, 2011 at 3:15 PM

    fyi, there are female surgeons.

    "They wind up desiring/getting fucked by men because the testosterone alters their brain." Dirt-


    for clarification 'can alter brain chemistry' just like anti-depressants, head trauma, street drugs.

    Anonymous said...

    Try as they may, they will never get rid of their female bodies. Somebody above mentioned the female hands. In the pictures I find the slender female hands not just sad, but creepy as well.

    April 17, 2011 11:04 AM

    I've seen bio guys smaller than me, cant really control genetics too well.

    ahhh my daily lol, dirt, you should try backing up some of your claims with some research cites or something, along with all the anons that decide to post, all i see is ignorance and hatred towards one small section of society, try expanding your mind and experiences. lol and a quote just for you dirt

    "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink"
    -unknown-

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  46. By the way, has it ever occurred to you that ftm's in healthy long-term relationships may not be posting videos about their relationships on YouTube or talking about them in online chat forums? You are not getting a very good cross-section by sitting on your ass in front of a computer and trolling for trannies. I'd like to personally invite you to Chicago, San Francisco, and Portland, Oregon to get to know some of us, and I think you should start tabling at feminist events in these cities. I think if you have any balls at all, you should be able to back up your voice with your physical presence, and also perhaps get to know some ftm's in person. You also may have some important dialogue with other butches who don't agree with you that ftm's are the scourge of the earth.

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    1. @AnonymousApril 18, 2011 at 3:18 PM

      If trans people find it so easy to find partners, why do they have to guilt people into sleeping with them ("cotton ceiling").

      It's funny that you suggest she start doing feminist events in-person. Most of the time, when gender-critical feminists try to do live events, trans activists put pressure on the venue owners to cancel the event, or they "sit in" on the talks and yell at the speakers so that nobody can hear the actual speakers speak. Gender-critical feminists have the guts to speak. It's the trans activists who don't have the guts to listen -- or let anyone else listen either.

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  47. "well that all seems to be about pretending to be special, so y'all can probably do that together..."


    Good comeback. Uh, thanks for the go-ahead, but we've got it covered. Are you afraid there won't be any room left for your specialness?

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  48. my specialness isn't based on my gender/gender presentation
    what a f'ing waste of time building an identity on such superficial crap

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  49. "what a f'ing waste of time building an identity on such superficial crap"

    Oh I think you don't need to worry about wasting your time. You have plenty of it, as far as I can tell, and you use it so well - telling ftm's that they should kill themselves. Nice.

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  50. Anon@3:18,

    Health cannot derive from a fractured self hating mind, and thus far it has never been obtained through the knife no matter the surgery.

    dirt

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  51. @lol

    "for clarification 'can alter brain chemistry' just like anti-depressants, head trauma, street drugs", actually thats DOES alter the brain, no ifs, ands or buts.

    And every transition backs up the facts presented here, every, single, one.

    dirt

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  52. Also Anon@3:18pm,

    Females do not have "balls", we have ovaries.

    dirt

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  53. To the poster that mentioned portland oregon, i lived there as a butch for 10 years- where the trans trend is rampant. I saw it explode and the actual butches disappear.
    I was always questioned/pressured to transition because I was one of the declining in numbers butches there.

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  54. I'm not sure what you are getting at, but yes, there are many transmen in Portland. I can't account for the loss of "butches" when those "butches" in question obviously did not feel like they were "butches" at all. Seems like a semantics issue.

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  55. Seems like a trans trending misogyny issue to me.

    dirt

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  56. Wow! That's fancy. Reminds me of those two little kids in "You, Me and Everyone We Know" by Miranda July.

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  57. That was SUCH a great film!
    :)

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  58. Well, that's one thing you and I can finally agree on, GallusMag. Back and forth, forever and ever.

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  59. every neighborhood that's been invaded by hipster poseurs is loaded with ftm's- it's totally a trend, a more extreme body modification... how many started with tattoos, piercings, stretching their ear-lobes, or whatever is considered 'cool' at the time? (maybe 'cutting' too, or eating
    disorders) i came of age in the early 90's when all this stuff and 'queer culture' was just taking off and it's certainly snowballed into something that just looks and is silly- it's a shame that the creepiest effects of testosterone are irreversable- of course so are these frightening surgeries

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  60. Also a lot of the young FTMs are from the generation of liberally prescribed anti-depressants and the belief that life is supposed to always be made 'comfortable' by medicine

    (The thing in the bottom photo looks like a miniature version of by Boston Terrier's corkscrew tail)

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  61. (7:56 here again, saying I like that film too.)

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  62. To me, the bottom photo looks like the knotted end of a blown-up balloon.

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  63. Can we chill on adding salt to the obvious wounds please.

    dirt

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  64. I agree with gb- I was in portland from the years 1995-2008 ish with some stints in NYC in those years as well.
    You could just see the trend really grabbing foothold there. I was friends with many earlier self-proclaimed butches, who then transitioned and acted like they were the coolest of the cool.
    Whats interesting is the longer several were on T the more it changed who I knew them to be prior to taking it. (I was very good friends with many)
    I saw many go from being like I said fully proud self-proclaimed butches who dated women only, into 'boi's' who became way more typical gay-sissy-man types who later would date mostly men or others like themselves. It was just odd to stand back and see it happen like that over and over.

    So when a group of my 'friends' kept asking when I was going to come out as trans- I quickly walked away from that whole scene. It's like they could not wrap their heads around the fact that even tho I presented as super masculine, more so than many on T- that I did not want to be male. Or better said- did not want to turn out like I witnessed.

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  65. the thing is
    in nyc back in well i guess 88-95ish
    the kids (us) weren't even labeling ourselves butch or femme or anything, we, it felt, were totally ourselves and free
    so it's sort of distressing to see young people now(not just trans, but that is an extreme example) locking themselves into tight little boxes of identity (and claiming to do the exact opposite!)- i do think the internet has a lot to do with this with the echo-chamber effect feeding the confused narcissism that's almost to be expected in this world that is presented as mostly meaningless and body-centric

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  66. gb & Anonymous @ April 19, 2011 8:51 AM & m have all described the current West Coast queer scene very aptly- full of hipsters & poseurs, navel-gazing narcissists in skinny jeans & Buddy Holly glasses working very hard at being "transgressive", people calling themselves things like "polyamourous kinky pansexual", etc., and the whole trans trip is very much a part of the whole weird scene. Don't they realize that their trans identification totally plays into the "binary gender system" that they are always going on & on about? It's not "transgressive" in the least- it's conservative, misogynistic and a huge step backwards! And there is nothing brave, individualistic, original, or special about following fads.

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  67. well when even straight people are calling themselves 'queer' it almost forces non-straights to push it too far

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  68. AGREED DM & OTHERS.

    I live in Seattle. Same story here of course. All the same priviledged hipster-queers (almost entirely white I add) all travel up and down the west coast, Seattle down to SF and LA- not leaving out the notorious Olympia of course- running the same tired trends.

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  69. Oh, maybe we should wear boot cut jeans and white baseball hats on backwards from our alma mater's rugby team? Or how bout matching outfits, Birkenstocks and fanny packs? Lesbian style is the boil on the ass of gay culture. Just sayin', you don't have much of a leg to stand on with these comments. It just shows how old you are getting. Which is fine! Old and in the way! Embrace it while you still can!

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    1. You hate women.

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    2. If you think "beauty" is the issue here, you've lost the plot. This isn't ugly for aesthetic reasons, it's ugly because it's a form of self-inflicted FGM that reflects a deep well of self-hatred.

      In the bottom pic, you can literally see where the labia was cut up and restitched. No man's scrotal septum looks like that.

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  70. hey Dirt, why don't you post some old lesbian vagina pictures here, and we can see how beautiful they are in comparison.

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  71. How does a LESBIAN vagina differentiate from regular vagina? As so many of us here are/born female bodied and attracted to other female bodied individuals it's quite insulting to tear down our very own attractions no matter if we define it under lesbian, bisexual, or ftm straights. We all were born with vaginas. Don't spread that vagina shame on everyone else.

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  72. 6:18,
    I'm a lesbian and I don't wear those things
    Obviously the other posters mentioning the FTM style struck a chord with you since you keep attacking this way

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  73. anonymous 6:18,

    So basically you're saying that transitioning is just 'what the kids are doing' & being a lesbian is just 'out of date'
    You are proving the point that it is a youth trend.

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  74. So, my feeling as though I would be more comfortable living as a male after living as a butch lesbian for 15 years is actually internalized female hatred adopted from a patriarchal society? I'm not so sure about that, Dirt.

    Honestly, what makes you think that? Even if this may be the case for some young ignorant kids, how can that apply for every ftm ever?

    Not being confrontational, I've just never come across this idea in all my years of living in the queer community.

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  75. genuinely interested in your opinion, btw. Please be nice :)

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  76. @ Shannon

    You have not come across this idea in the queer community because the argument that transitioning is culturally and socially internalised female body hatred is quickly labelled "Transphobic" and dismissed. In the Queer community, critical analysis of transitioning is fine only when it comes from a "Trans perspective". This is why I stopped being involved in the Queer collective at my university - it was dictatorial and mirrored exactly the same conservative rhetoric that I have always fought against.

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  77. "We all were born with vaginas. Don't spread that vagina shame on everyone else."

    My point was that Dirt is re-posting pictures of ftm genitals in a forum where ftms's are hated and judged. The initial pictures were not posted in a hateful forum, they were probably posted for informational purposes FOR OTHER FTM's. Not for a bunch of hateful lesbians judge and to be grossed out by. Dirt went in and retrieve these for you to be horrified by. So if you turn the tables and posted pictures of your vaginas, I bet the result would not be that much prettier or that well-received by the ftm commenters here. I've seen alot of vaginas and some of them weren't all that pretty (but I liked or even loved the owners) so some of you need to grow the fuck up and be less catty.

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    1. Vaginas would not be well-received by FtMs? What a surprise! Who would've guessed they hate their own anatomy?

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  78. I kinda get that. I'm still pre-t pre-op and don't pass most of the time. My biggest fear with this whole transition this is being ostracized from the lesbian community. I love lesbians, I want to date them, and I want them to look at me and still have that "hey you ur in my club" kinda moment.

    Despite that, why do I still feel the need to sport facial hair and feel like a chivalrous, feminist, queer, female loving man?

    Please discuss...looking for other ideas here. Still not sold on the whole "man in a woman's body" idea. That would require acceptance of the binary...which we (I?) all know is a bunch of ideological bullshit.

    In it's consequence, anyways.

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    1. What does it mean for you to be a man? Most people definitions of manhood are some combination of male biology and having a gender presentation (appearance, behavior, hobbies) that we have decided is "masculine".

      But you can decide to look & act in ways that are masculine without actually trying to "become a man". It's OK to be a GNC woman.

      If you want to become a male person biologically, first off that's not currently possible. You can do surgery/hormones/etc to make yourself seem more like a biological male. But as lesbians are attracted to female bodies, I think you will find that the further you go down the road of transition (trying to erase your femaleness), the less attractive lesbians will find you.

      Also, in pro-gender circles, the idea of a lesbian who dates FTM is actually considered pretty offensive, since it implies that female attraction towards an FTM is same-sex attraction. It is, but it's an offensive idea, so even lesbians who might otherwise be open to dating an FTM may squash down those feelings to avoid being "problematic" or forcibly relabelled as bi/pan.

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  79. I will say from personal experience that I believe the Queer community demonizes people who assert that ftm transitioning is informed by socially internalised female body hatred. There is literally NO healthy debate on this, that I have seen, outside of this blog.

    I liken the silencing of trans sceptics to Climate change skeptics. I happen to be a climate change believer, in that I believe humans contribute to it to a degree, however, skeptics of climate change are absolutely demonized in the media and real life for their different opinion and are rarely given a fair hearing. Instead they incite a highly emotional, irrational and dismissive reaction from the general populous. Sound familiar?

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  80. "the argument that transitioning is culturally and socially internalised female body hatred is quickly labelled "Transphobic" and dismissed."

    As it should be dismissed. Just like arguments that lesbians are only gay because they have been hurt by men. Lesbians don't say that to lesbians, only people who have no idea what its like to be gay attempt to attribute homosexuality to something negative and reversible. Something that must be healed. The argument that the social sphere can fully account for your identity and desires and your relationship to your own body is wrong. Not only that, but people who are predisposed to filtering every single phenomena or reality through the lens of whatever theory they are indoctrinated in are unable to step back and realize that they might not actually know everything about all people's life, identity, or experience. It really gives you this terrible, overreaching license to talk out of your ass without having to know anything, learn anything new, or question yourself.

    I trust you to know yourself Shannon. Good luck.

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  81. "Please discuss...looking for other ideas here. Still not sold on the whole "man in a woman's body" idea. That would require acceptance of the binary...which we (I?) all know is a bunch of ideological bullshit. "

    I'm not convinced that even most ftm's buy into that binary shit, but there are gatekeepers for getting T and surgery. What's wrong with,"I'm me, in my body, and I would feel more like me with no boobs and a beard?" It's really hard to argue with the constant desire for a physicality.

    Good luck with this crowd, though. They believe you *are* your vagina and breasts.

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  82. @ Shannon

    "Despite that, why do I still feel the need to sport facial hair and feel like a chivalrous, feminist, queer, female loving man?"

    I think it's interesting that you mentioned "chivalry"- an outdated gender code, as part of your desire to become a man. Chivalry was originally developed as a medieval knightly system. It is unfair to BOTH sexes: unfair to men because it forces them to protect women, and unfair to women because traditional ideas of what brings "honor" and "shame" to women are often highly sexist. To quote Amanda Hess:
    "Chivalry works to encourage women to internalize misogyny in order to preempt shame from befalling men."

    I encourage you to read this article on why Chivalry is misogynistic and unfair to women AND men:

    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2010/05/18/on-chivalry-and-internalized-misogyny/

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  83. Shannon- you might want to take a look at a website called Natural Butch-it's at http://naturalbutch.blogspot.com/
    It addresses some of the issues you're bringing up. Best wishes.

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  84. i don't think posting these pictures can be compared with posting pictures of regular female anatomy
    it's good for people to know what happens down there and what kind of delusional thinking is involved in doing that to oneself
    i also don't think that a 'lesbian' wants to date a bearded woman who thinks she's a queer chivalrous 'man' but there seems to be plenty of troubled 'queer' females who would tolerate it for a time
    you should know/notice that testosterone will change your personality and probably the type of people you are attracted to
    which is convenient since it seems to shift right when most lesbians (& most women) will lose interest anyway as the body and mind move away from their natural state

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  85. I agree with anon above. It is the secret lie that ftms share but do not talk about much. The fact that the T does really change who you are. It really does change your personality in a way that feels uncomfortable to who you are. I'm speaking for myself, who was on T for a little more than 2 years.
    It's a real tragedy that the community does not warn prospective others about these changes. Once the T really sets in, you experience changes so slow that sometimes it hard to notice and other times hard to ignore. Like the sexual appetite increase. Which actually does make you feel like a man in that it makes you want to have sex a lot, and it drives you to not care so much as before as to where the sex is coming from.
    It also seems to totally diminish your emotional side- your ability to cry and feel compassion for others. Which many ftms like, because it makes them feel more manly or whatever- but for me it made me feel really out of touch with myself.
    We were all raised as women and socialized that way so when these changes start to occur it really can confuse yourself and suddenly you feel lost- as if the old you that you knew has gone. Many embrace these new person like feelings- but they really felt totally bizarre to me- and not like me at all.
    But all of these really important parts are for the most part overlooked in the trans community. Why is that? It's like the dark truth that no one wants to talk about, because just maybe they could be wrong about what they've done to themselves.

    I'm not saying it's wrong for all. But for many I know- they have had and still do have my exact thoughts on this. But it's really only talked about as a secret between 'brothers'.

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  86. Nate,

    If you dont mind sharing, why did you go on T and why did you stop taking it?

    dirt

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  87. I went on T because I never felt comfortable in my woman's body. As a child I saw how the boys had it easier, and I wanted to be one of them. I did not want to be seen as a sexual object. I hated the female parts of my body and still do. I looked up to men as I thought they were the stronger sex and I never wanted to be seen as weak.
    I admired men's bodies and had a lot of envy- I wanted those abs, not the hips. I wanted those muscles and not the breasts. I envisioned myself in my head as more attractive, strong male person, not the girl I was. I wanted to be able to go topless in the sun without being sexualized. I wanted to look better in men's clothes. I wanted the attention that transition brings. I was obsessed with making this happen.
    I was able to obtain T at age 24.

    I took it for a little over 2 years and I quit it for the reasons mentioned above in my previous post. It changed who I was to the core. It changed how I viewed the world and how the world viewed me- and not just on a physical/sight way. But in a emotional way as well.

    I found that the T did make me feel and act out in typical male ways that I did not like. It made me more promiscious, and then easy to make excuses for my behaviours. It made me feel way less compassion for people, and I had a real problem just being able to cry. Once the joy wore off from getting more of a body shape that I had wanted, and was able to get bigger muscles, etc, I missed a lot of stuff that I guess I took for granted before. I was not considered a lesbian anymore on looks alone. I was just viewed as a young, short male- but felt inside that no matter what I would never be more than that- that I could never measure up to a real male. I missed being recognized by other lesbians on the street, little things like that.

    But most of all, I just missed my old self. The old self that I grew up with, that felt like the real me.

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    1. Nate, did you ever feel like you got back to your old self? It sounds like the experience of going on/off T would have changed you permanently in the sense that it opened your eyes to a lot of things. But other than that, do you feel like "your old self" again, or an older wiser version? Or were there things that changed that you couldn't get back?

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  88. Nate,

    First thanks for answering, second can I ask a few other questions?

    dirt

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  89. lesbianplusfeministApril 20, 2011 at 9:52 AM

    "What's wrong with,"I'm me, in my body, and I would feel more like me with no boobs and a beard?""

    What's wrong with it is that a person's body is a part of them, so it makes no sense to talk about "me" and "my body" as two separate things. Those thoughts and feelings come from a BODY part called a brain that is affected by other BODY parts via hormones, blood flow, etc.

    It also makes no sense for a person to say that she feels more like herself by changing herself.

    "As it should be dismissed. Just like arguments that lesbians are only gay because they have been hurt by men."

    How many times do we have to go through this? People here questioning the motives for identifying as trans and transitioning are not questioning being a lesbian BECAUSE PHYSICALLY TRANSITIONING ENDANGERS YOUR HEALTH AND BEING A LESBIAN DOES NOT. BEING MISERABLE AND SUICIDAL OVER A RELATIVELY HEALTHY BODY IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY ABNORMAL AND DESTRUCTIVE, AND BEING A LESBIAN IS NOT. THE ENTIRE PHILOSOPHY AROUND BEING TRANS, ACCORDING TO TRANS PEOPLE THEMSELVES, IS THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH OR MISSING FROM TRANS PEOPLE, WHILE LESBIANS ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE FINE AS WE ARE. SOMETHING IS WRONG FOR TRANS PEOPLE, THEREFORE PEOPLE DISCUSS WHAT THE CAUSE MIGHT BE. THERE IS NOTHING HARMFUL IN BEING A LESBIAN, THEREFORE THERE IS NO NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT THE CAUSE OF LESBIANISM MIGHT BE, OR TO EVEN THINK THAT THERE IS A SPECIFIC CAUSE.

    "Not only that, but people who are predisposed to filtering every single phenomena or reality through the lens of whatever theory they are indoctrinated in are unable to step back and realize that they might not actually know everything about all people's life, identity, or experience."

    We're not relying solely on theory. Have you not noticed the trans people and their transitioning-supporting allies who comment here all the time and make comments that prove Dirt's points? How about Ryan James Dawson's comment a few posts back about how she was trans because she wanted to live in a man's gender role? How about all of the "women are just as bad!" or "stop whining!" comments when anyone mentions how males oppress females? Have you not read through the blogs written by trans people that say ridiculous things such as, "I preferred to play with trucks/dolls when I was a kid, and that proves that I'm really a man/woman"?

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  90. I can't argue with Nate's experience here, although I did transition much later in life. I knew about the potential sexual libido increase and difference in emotions. After my second puberty, those thing did settle down. My libido is just about where it was before I started T, which is good.

    Emotions are a different story. Before I transitioned, it was almost as if my feelings *were* the facts I went on to guide me through the world. I felt that they *were* reality. Since I transitioned, more concrete, quantifiable things seem like better and more sensible guideposts. It seems that I now have room to take in information about a much larger world around me and all the forces in it, rather than just my emotions. It actually seems LESS self-involved. That being said, I can't live without either side, so I have to work harder at figuring out my emotions and honoring them. I do that work.

    Also, I could NEVER get on board with the irrational emotions of PMS and the hijacking of my body for two weeks out of the month. I'm sorry but there is nothing powerful, mysterious, or valuable in starting fights with friends and partners, being overly sensitive, being depressed and useless and destroying relationships only to come to my senses two weeks later and have to apologize and rebuild. PMS is a cruel, cruel hostile takeover and it made me want to die. And, no, I tried it and the fucking raspberry tea doesn't help, hippie.

    I appreciate Nate's input and I support people's decisions about their bodies/emotions. I have always told anyone who asked about the changes in my emotions. It seems to me now that there is bullshit involved with being male, female, or trans. I chose this bullshit over that bullshit and I'm okay with it. It's not the miracle cure for all the ills of being human, though, that's for sure.

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    1. Sounds like you had severe endocrine dysregulation...not that you're a dude, cuz you're not.

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  91. to 2:50pm

    well that's a good reason to transition, to avoid pms!
    (i've actually heard 'transmen' say that they still get pms though... i guess your bodies will be constantly trying to resume female behaviors for the rest of your lives, as you're constantly trying to beat it down)

    to lololololololololol

    you're a TOTAL idiot

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  92. Ahhh, PMS, the lynchpin of misogyny.

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  93. Unbelievable! Thank you for letting us all know that misogyny clearly informs ftm transition!

    Every time I hear or read a transman talk about how they hated being a woman, I get this hollow feeling in my gut (and don't you dare blame it on pms). Don't they know how infuriating it it is to talk about female experiences in such a negative way? That they are not only talking about themselves but ALL women?

    This "hijacking of the body for two weeks out of the month" can be a powerful force of self reflection and compassion in the world which is not available to men. Many Indigenous cultures around the world new this, respected it and instituted rituals around it. But instead of staying, bleeding and understanding the distinctly female power in the menstrual cycle, you chose to cowardly slink away and join the cry of misogynists everywhere. Sorry, there is absolutely no "power" in that.

    Oh and some advice, next time you want to call a woman "useless", just go for a walk to cool off honey, we don't need you getting all "irrational" on us.

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    1. No, healthy traditional cultures doubtfully experience two weeks of PMS...I experience about 4 days. This woman is very sick. The industrial world will do that to you.

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  94. "Wow. No, I'm not a total idiot, but you are a fucking total bitch. And pms is not a "powerful, reflective " time or anything. Never did I say it's the only reason I transitioned. You are not indigenous, nor can you co-opt any kind of special relationship with the earth from native peoples. Go fuck yourselves!"

    You are replying to two different commentors here. I was Anon 8:47. The menstrual cycle is a natural bodily function which is part of and informs the female experience. My reference to Indigenous cultures was to point out the disparity between how other cultures have respected this distinctly female experience and how western culture demonises it. This demonising leads women to hate and disrespect their bodies. The fact that you read this as cultural appropriation reveals just how uninformed you are.

    I am not an earth mother, you will not find me howling at the moon or cradling baby marsupials while I'm on my rags, fuck no. PMS is my least favourite part of being a woman, but it IS a part of it and I have learnt to respect that. Or more importantly, I have UNlearnt the disrespect of it.

    For me, this process involved learning about how other cultures understood the menstrual cycle which taught me about my own culture and body hatred. It taught me that western concepts of "Strength" and "power" are entirely male-centric and that this has not always been the case. Once I really understood this, I stopped hating myself for being female. Disliking the negative impacts of the menstrual cycle and disrespecting it are two entirely different things.

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    1. The comment is deleted now, but I think I get the gist from the quotes. She thinks unique female experiences are somehow less real or valuable than ones that can be shared with males, and that you're a "bitch" if you disagree. But she is definitely not motivated by misogyny in any way.

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  95. "You know you make a real fool of yourself when you say it's misogyny and woman hating and making people believe this bs. You talk about trans guys when u should be more focused on the women that have no need to transition that hate themselves due to the fact they think they're fat. I know if you were to focus more on that maybe things would be better but focusing on trans guys is silly. It's who they are."

    Being fat is not a reason for a woman to hate herself, I know fat women who love themselves, as they should. I do not "focus on trans guys" I focus on systematic oppression, this effects everyone. A small part of that is analysis of the possible social and cultural conditioning behind transitioning.

    "There's nothing misogynistic about transitioning. If trans guys hated women don't you think there would be more murdered women?"

    You are entitled to your view, however, as shown by this comment you do not seem to understand what misogyny actually means.

    "I hope you do know you hurt a lot of people when you post such hateful crap. And since you see trans men as women then what does that make you? Misogynist?"

    The only person who has posted hateful comments here is you. If a trans person is hurt by a social and cultural analysis of transitioning, then they should not read it. I have many dear trans friends who readily discuss this topic with me, they are interested and respectful of my views because they are content with who they are and know the difference between a conversation and a personal attack. They do not have to visit blogs and write slanderous and disrespectful diatribes against women.

    "There's nothing wrong with being happy. It would be like telling you to be with a man instead of a woman. It wouldn't make you happy, so them staying physically female wouldn't make them happy."

    I actually am with a man, and he makes me very happy :) You do not have to be a lesbian to care about what happens to women. I do wish you that same happiness in return.

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  96. "I am not an earth mother, you will not find me howling at the moon or cradling baby marsupials while I'm on my rags, fuck no. PMS is my least favourite part of being a woman, but it IS a part of it and I have learnt to respect that. Or more importantly, I have UNlearnt the disrespect of it."

    I really do appreciate what you are saying and the process you underwent to respect PMS more. To me it seemed especially difficult -maybe because I am trans, I dunno. Regardless, I do not appreciate being called a TOTAL idiot because I spoke my truth about my experience with MY body. I know you are not the one who said this. But it seems that when I tell the most honest, hard to say things about my experience in my body, people get the most offended. Exactly how much power should someone else's truth have over you?

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  97. Anon @8:26,

    I think that part of their comment (@lololol(etc.)) might have been directed at someone else's deleted comment.

    And I hear ya about the periods. Ugh. Cutting meat and soy out of my diet has helped a great deal with the moodiness and some of the physical complaints, but there are still a couple of days out of every cycle where I feel so bloated, ill and disoriented that I can barely function.

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  98. ^oops, nevermind... the comment wasn't deleted.

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  99. um try to find one woman that enjoys her period.
    what a joke.
    every single butch identified woman i know including myself- absolutely detest their periods. know what? there are things in life that are not awesome! struggle is a huge part of life.

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    1. I enjoy parts of my period. I love my cute cloth menstrual pads, love my menstrual cup, love cuddling up with a hot drink and a good book. (Yeah I can do that when not menstruating but I'm usually not in as much of a mood for it.) Sometimes the endorphins overshoot the pain to the point where I am just getting high off my own body, and I go into this quasi-meditative, quasi-spiritual state where I start feeling really good about all the sisterhood and Earth mother type stuff. It is an experience that, in a way, connects me with (nearly) every other woman who was or will be. (I know there are actual women who've never had a period for various reasons, I don't mean this in a way to exclude them from my mental kumbaya circle. All women are welcome in the kumbaya circle.)

      I think part of that woman's problem was that the menstrual cycle she was describing was really not healthy at all. If you have terrible period pain and periods lasting two weeks, there are options in between "raspberry tea" and having your genitals completely remodeled.

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  100. Anon 8:26
    Thanks for your response. I wouldn't say I or anybody "respects" PMS. PMS can be a drag. The issue is that society convinces women that the menstrual cycle is a disgusting and totally negative thing that we should all be ashamed of. We are taught to see it as a weakness. We are not taught to understand the unique powers and benefits PMS can provide us because in our society the male experience is championed over the female.

    For me, in the week before my period, I've learnt to pay attention to my heightened emotional reactions and use them as a tool to locate the areas in my life that need work. I don't enjoy it, but I can harness the value in it. PMS can be a constructive force though you really have to wade through alot of societal bullshit to find that out.

    This is a mostly foreign idea because we are told that PMS is negative and makes us irrational and "useless". Women are not taught to see any value in the menstrual system outside of it's role in reproduction. Why? Because we are a society run by men.

    (Also, that "Total Idiot" comment was not directed towards you, it was in response to another commentor threatening legal action against Dirt.)

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  101. Found this site by accident. I feel like an asshole that to be living on the same planet as most of you. who cares what anyone is as long as it is not affecting you

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  102. Anon@5:37

    Living in a world the creates the kinda of hatred and self hatred of females DOES affect EVERY female!

    dirt

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  103. I-love-all-beingsAugust 3, 2011 at 9:35 PM

    I am disturbed at what many people have written on this blog thing. Some people are born in the body that does not express their personality, they themselves in whole.

    to simplify this, picture this. You know yourself, you identify yourself as either male or female, right?

    now, you go to bed, you wake up the next day, and bam, you are the opposite sex. What do you do with yourself. I have no clue what it would feel like being in the wrong body... AND YOU HAVE NO CLUE EITHER. Imagine being stuck like that for 20 years. it would suck. you wouldn't be you.

    My partner is a wonderful person, picks up garbage virtually everywhere, opens doors for everyone, rescues insured wild animals, and LITTERALLY will not kill a fly, yet opts to catch them with a butterfly net and release them outside. If you want to HATE on something, hate the polluters, the wife beating sons of bitches, the husband abusing wife neglecting their offspring. Hate on someone who actually deserves it, not people who are just trying to become what they feel they were meant to be. isnt that what life is about anyways... finding yourself?

    My partner is my lover, my best friend, takes very very very good care of me, and is the most sexy person alive to me. My partner is someone who has transitioned, and its not because of hatred of the type of sex they are, its because they don't feel the body they are in is right.

    Its silly how everyone jumps to conclusions about why a trans person transitions.

    My friend developed only one breast, so she had another one installed to balance it out...
    some people are born with huge ugly noses or a 6th toe that they have corrected... and some people just don't get the body parts that suit them..

    jeese, lighten up. Trans people are friggen normal.


    Oh, and " DIRT".. its dirt right? thats your clever little nick name. just one thing..

    if transitioning female surgery is hate on the female body, then braces, hair dye, electrolysis, breast implants, laser eye surgery, imunization shots, and birth control must be hate on the Human body. right. hu?

    stop being so silly, get up off the computer, and pick up some garbage, you dont mind garbage right? your name is dirt after all..

    PEASE, LOVE, AND CLEAN UP OUR EARTH BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

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    1. Bodies do not express personality. Only people can express a personality.

      I do not "identify" as either female or male. I am a female, because we are a sexually dimorphic species and I have the physical biological construction typical to the females of our species. As a female, I have been raised from birth to fill the expected social role of a female. That social role is not intrinsic to my personal biology. If I had been born with a male body, I would be a very different person today, because I would have been raised from birth to fill the expected social role of a male.

      The argument of comparing trans people (who believe that the body they were born in is wrong) with someone suddenly waking up with a completely different body is flawed. People would be upset about any major physical change that just happened overnight. I would be real upset to wake up tomorrow as a person of a different race. That doesn't mean that the concept of race can be reduced simply to an "identity".

      All of the painful and cosmetically-motivated things we (mostly women) do to our bodies come from self-hate or as a survival mechanism for a society that hates us the way we are. So "yes" to most of your list. Actual medicine (like immunizations) is not at all the same thing. Having small breasts, having hair on your body, these are not diseases that we need to "cure" to be healthy.

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  104. Egads, how can someone be born in a body that doesn't represent their personality if a body has NOTHING to do with their personality? So you mean a woman that dislikes feminine things is automatically trans? I don't think Dirt is trans. Can't you please divide sex and gender? Gender is a harmful social construct. Yeah, that thing you believe in - It's a harmful. Social. Construct. It should be deleted from existence. Wouldn't it be better if a man could use skirts and makeup and not be judged, and a woman could use short hair and baggy clothing and not be judged? Instead of "look, you gotta be a WOMAN before you start doing WOMANLY THINGS, but thats easy, you just need to identify as a woman so we'll think you're a woman, even if no woman in the world is like you because your view on feminility is flawed and you can never be a woman"?

    IN A PERFECT WORLD WITHOUT GENDER, WITHOUT HARMFUL SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS PRESSURING PEOPLE, THERE WOULD BE NO TRANSPEOPLE.

    C'mon people it's so simple.

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  105. Nobody said trans people weren't wonderful people, and nobody was hating on them. I think women who have such bad PMS usually have health problems like copper toxicity, which is extremely common. It's unfair to equate being a woman with miserable periods and PMS. I usually have like 1-3 days a month that are bothersome, with 1 day being where I'll start arguments, and I think a lot of that has to do with treating multiple heavy metal toxicities, because frankly my whole life used to be miserable, not just my periods.

    Also, most women do wake up feeling like they are in the wrong bodies...too fat, too skinny, too old, wrong hair color, too much body hair, acne, stretch marks, and usually a combination of these. That is also internalized misogyny.

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