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Monday, March 28, 2011

Trans Silencing and the Voice of Women

As you can see from the time stamp of this screen cap, I received this yesterday from Yahoo where one of my email accounts resides. Looks like once again someone has tried to hack in an account of mine, do we dare to suspect it was someone/s of the ftM persuasion?

Part of the reason for the last two post were due to trans silencing, and now my voice too is being threatened with silencing. Make no bones about it, it isnt a coincidence that the voices the trans community seeks most to silence are womens. Women are the BIGGEST threat and affront to the trans concept/trans ideology. Women remind Mtfs of the women they will NEVER be and women remind ftMs of the females they will ALWAYS be.

If you are a women, a lesbian and see through the queered misogynistic bullshit that IS transition and you wonder what you can do to help dismantle this male medical beast? Use the voice this female hating group is trying to take from you. And use it at the tops of your lungs! Our female youth are worth it! Dont let them down.

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  1. Besides, this blog is typical of something a women would write. dramatic, whiney, bitchy gossip. (see, i can stereotype too!)

    I agree. If this was a truly useful political discussion, Dirt would be able to focus on issues that are important to women. Abortion, violence against women, butch pride, femme visibility, lesbian culture, equality in the workplace, harassment etc. Instead she'd rather talk about FTM bodies and how one of us treated a girlfriend so badly that she stalked him? WTF? If that was an FTM stalker she would have tried to alert all the major newspapers about how violent we are. She can't stay away from the ftm thing for more than two days running. She is way more obsessed with taking us out and silencing us than she is uplifting women. I would suggest that you stay away from the topic, Dirt, because you are doing nothing to foment butch pride. It just makes you and your butchness seem very insecure that you should have to come after us like this. People who are secure in themselves generally don't bother trying to take out other kinds of people or get them to identify differently. You are also providing a forum for gender-questioning butches and others to come into communication with ftm's and see that we can be very fine, happy and healthy humans. When we explain how we feel and why we transitioned, certain people explain that they felt the same way. Some feel superior for having made that choice, but they are not superior, in fact. Others seem to disappear from the conversation. Has it occurred to you that you might be shooting yourself in the foot?

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  2. Transgender is a cult like any other. All questioning must be silenced at any cost.

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  3. Yeah, Dirt, why aren't you out curing AIDS or something? It's your responsibility to take on every possible issue important to women.

    We Anonymous commenters demand that you do something about all those so we can stop wasting our time telling you how healthy and happy women with butchered breasts and miserable relationships are!!!

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  4. K but you're silencing them by bullying and intimidation, what's the difference?

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  5. I have no power or authority to silence anyone, I'm a woman.

    dirt

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  6. If there was something I could to cure any disease or disorder I would, who wouldnt?

    dirt

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  7. People who are secure in themselves do not hate themselves to the point of seeking something so brutal as "transition" which btw NEVER happens.

    dirt

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  8. No, she was clearly stalking him. Women are perpetrators too. I don't believe the victim mentality is good for anyone, and I am an adult. I don't blame anyone else for my struggles the way I see so many people on this list do.

    And, uh, Vin Diesel is not my hero, nor do I want to look like him. I am very happy with my own masculinity. I love my body and the masculinity that has come as result of testosterone's combination with MY body.

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  9. Dirt @5:51pm - 'I have no power or authority to silence anyone, I'm a woman.'

    You think this is empowering your community? You really think this is female pride?

    You're a joke. Drama queen, whine whine whine. Waah waah I'm so oppressed. If you love yourself as the woman you are then tell the world and fight for it. That isn't sexist or femalephobic, that's simply calling out your truths as a human.

    I campaign for the trans community, for FTM and MTF, I raise the issues faced by gay men and also straight men, because I'm proud to identify as trans, gay, and as a man. I've worked alongside women in advocating lesbian pride, because I've had the oppotunity to do so.

    Male privilege over women is wrong, and always has been, but how can I fight it when I couldn't live as female? Make yourself heard as a proud, butch woman. Pride is NOT about attacking other communities. Pride is about living alongside them and fighting for your own.

    Am I not a good enough 'transcult' member for you? Because I don't want you silenced?

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  10. Dirt @5:51pm - 'I have no power or authority to silence anyone, I'm a woman.'

    I'm pretty sure ol' Dirk was being ironic, but it's a really disempowering form of irony. Ha, ha, women have no power over anything.

    BULLSHIT!! In my community there are practical self-defense and empowerment groups for women, operating on a sliding scale or sometimes free, teaching that sometimes, you just need to take your fucking power back. Complaining endlessly about patriarchy and misogyny only ends up making you wallow in victimhood. There are tons of ways that women DO IN FACT HAVE AGENCY and women need to stand up and fight back.

    This is not to minimize the experiences of actual violence, sexual or otherwise, and disempowerment faced by women. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do. But studies show that just putting up a little bit of a fight, acting defiantly to resist, lowers a woman's chances of being assaulted by a stranger.

    Women, you are not powerless!!

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  11. @March 28, 2011 4:46 PM


    " If this was a truly useful political discussion, Dirt would be able to focus on issues that are important to women. Abortion, violence against women, butch pride, femme visibility, lesbian culture, equality in the workplace, harassment etc."

    She has a pretty good Mask and disguise doesn't she. She knows it that her blog is not for any of the above, the kicker is her follwers know it too, its a haven for them.

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  12. "No, she was clearly stalking him. Women are perpetrators too. I don't believe the victim mentality is good for anyone, and I am an adult. I don't blame anyone else for my struggles the way I see so many people on this list do."

    Anon, what do you know about that? Why are you buying the "stalker" story?
    Don't you see this transguy is a drama king who is bored in his life and seeks whatever means to make it different and is keen to tell any story to feel important? It never crossed your mind he built a case with false materials?

    And if she was "stalking him" as you said, how it happens this Tguy doesn't even have a court decision to show that states "she is a stalker" and she has been convinced?

    Nothing? ;)? Use your brain my dear!

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  13. Again, as I suggested in the hacking attempt last week, Dirt you need to go to the authorities. (I was an annon poster then as I never noticed that the name thing was an option now!)

    It matters not what side of the Trans discussion I am on, hacking into someones space is not acceptable for any reason. No matter how you feel about someone, hacking is wrong, illegal in just about all countries and should not ever be attempted.

    I'm a little surprised that Yahoo did not include the IP that attempted access in that email, as that is pretty standard practice now, but maybe not for Yahoo. This would have at least given you a direction to look in, unless they used a proxy.

    Regardless of who the potential hacker is/was, they are being very basic and sloppy about it, which benefits you as far as catching them. Most hackers do not leave a trace/fingerprint that large, and most have no clue until after it happens. Password recovery is a most ineffective way of hacking in this day and age of instant notice when a log in fails.

    You were online about that time as I noticed a few time stamps from your post before this. Out of curiosity did you notice your PC acting weird around that time?

    Just trying to help because illegal acts are wrong, no matter what the reasoning.

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  14. “Our greatest pleasure will be to see your bald forehead in 3 yrars (i think she means years) from now.”
    im saving this comment... this is simply proof that this group does not care about the well being of trans people. I have heard trans people being compared to people with anorexia. But would these people say “Our greatest pleasure will be to see you starving yourself to death”???
    This is a HATE group, nothing more, nothing less.
    and yes, im going to generalize and group all you followers together, since thats the way things seem to work around here.

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  15. Forensics Girl,

    I have an ongoing file with the authorities that gets updated whenever anything like this happens since I started getting death threats, and yes the IP was included in the recent update.

    dirt

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  16. "Typical of something a woman would write" Hahaha no wander you transitioned, you hate females.

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  17. owned "“Our greatest pleasure will be to see you starving yourself to death”???

    Thank you owned. Transition is like Pro-Ana.

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  18. "Women are the BIGGEST threat and affront to the trans concept/trans ideology. Women remind Mtfs of the women they will NEVER be and women remind ftMs of the females they will ALWAYS be."

    Wouldn't men be a huge threat to the trans comunity too. Since men will remind ftms what the NEVER will be and remind mtfs of what they ALWAYS will be.
    By the way who said trans people hate women.

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  19. From many of the statements above it's very clear that many of these FTM commenters do not in fact read your blog on the regular, or read/follow the comments of your readers.

    anon @ 4:46:
    "When we explain how we feel and why we transitioned, certain people explain that they felt the same way. Some feel superior for having made that choice, but they are not superior, in fact. Others seem to disappear from the conversation. "

    "AND Owned @ 7:36:
    "This is a HATE group, nothing more, nothing less.
    and yes, im going to generalize and group all you followers together, since thats the way things seem to work around here."

    I am one of those certain people that have said time and time again that I too share many of these "feelings" that the trans guys have written about having. I have seen countless stories that sound all too familiar to my exact experience and feelings growing up. Many times throughout my life I have considered transition. Yet once I explain that it took many years of hard work- therapy, maturity, learning to think outside of my own misery and body dysphoria, coming to terms/understanding my own internalized woman hate, finding complete love and acceptance with my partner- and finally being ok being the natural woman I was born to be- albeit very masculine- then suddenly I don't understand FTM's at all.

    How is that? Really? I attempted suicide several times in my youth because of all of my "gender issues"- so I'm not gonna fall for the- obviously I wasn't 'trans' because I just didn't feel male enough, or wrong enough in my girl's body. Cause I really did, let me assure you.

    It's that when someone like me, choose a different path, one that holds my feet firmly planted in living in reality on reality's terms- acceptance of the now- the as-is, somehow to you my experience is invalid?

    I continue to come here- (as I think Dirt does) and tell my story in hopes that it will help one person going through the same will maybe give this all a second thought before going through surgeries and T, as I really did at one point think those options were the only way I could be happy in my body.

    Sure Dirt is a bit abrasive. And not all of us agree with her tactics 100% of the time. But this space is needed. It is needed because even many older FTM's also recognize, that there is a problem with just how many very young people are gaining easy access to transition in record numbers. It is needed because it is also recognized that- that same generations 'butches' have almost completely disappeared. Coincidence? We think not.

    I think what would actually be more beneficial to this whole ongoing discussion would be that all comments that name-call, and put-down maliciously be removed. As it's just silly and immature and I'm just sick of seeing it from both sides, and feel that it hinders the seriousness of the topics at hand. Just a suggestion.

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  20. Dirt-
    I agree with JJ. I think some serious editing is in order in these comment streams to keep the discussions inoffensive and on topic, much like respected online news publications.

    Dissenting voices should be welcomed of course but maliciousness and name calling just muddies the waters and serves no purpose other than to fuel hatred.

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  21. Anon, it is clear who some of the problem commenters are, their comments have been removed.

    Feel free to point out others you feel are just trouble making, regardless of their position and I will also remove those.

    dirt

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  22. "I agree. If this was a truly useful political discussion, Dirt would be able to focus on issues that are important to women. Abortion, violence against women, butch pride, femme visibility, lesbian culture, equality in the workplace, harassment etc."

    Dirt is chosing to focus on an issue she feels is important to women. Who are you to tell her what is and is not important? What gives you the right to define the boundaries of discussion on blogs that are not yours.

    "She is way more obsessed with taking us out and silencing us than she is uplifting women."

    How is Dirt "silencing" you? As far as I know Dirt has not contacted ISP's, Blogger or started FB pages to get transitioning sites banned. However, the trans community has tried all of these tactics to get Dirt off the net. Who is silencing who here?

    "People who are secure in themselves generally don't bother trying to take out other kinds of people or get them to identify differently. You are also providing a forum for gender-questioning butches and others to come into communication with ftm's and see that we can be very fine, happy and healthy humans. When we explain how we feel and why we transitioned, certain people explain that they felt the same way."

    Sigh: This "you must be insecure if you question us" non arguement is really boring and does not address alot of the core issues brought up here...but then again there are issues the trans community never wants discussed and the "insecure" tactic is just a way to shut down debate.
    In regards to the suggestion that dirt is somehow doing the trans community a favour through this blog, I would say this: The picture presented here by various trans supporters is far from a convincing arguement for their cause. Time after time various posters have displayed their anti lesbian bias and their hatred of women. They have shown their tendency towards group think and the inability to mount a rational arguement for transitioning beyond "I just feel this way". When their emotional blackmail fails they resort to personal attacks and hacking, a sure sign that their intellectual capital has run out.
    "Some feel superior for having made that choice, but they are not superior, in fact"
    Ah yes I love the insinuation of "superiority" that I have seen from some transitioners who imply that because lesbians are oppressed they alone with other oppressed groups their views are irrational and easily dismissed. They go on to assert that those who transitioned are "superior" because of their experiences...

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  23. I don't see any reason why Dirt should be expected to offer an open unedited forum for trans viewpoints when such places are already all over the internet. And as for important issues, well, I visited some of these "trans support sites" that my teen was viewing, and they were talking about how much they hated their "moobs" and "chesticles", that their Ace bandage around their chest was causing them trouble breathing, that their "packer" in their pants was smelly and how should they wash it, what hairstyles work best for "passing" as a boy or to look like a particular pop star or Anime character, and what jeans to wear so their butt doesn't make them look like a girl. Obviously this must have been a very young group of posters, but that is part of our concern- the age of the girls & young women that are being attracted to the trans trend.

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  24. "They go on to assert that those who transitioned are "superior" because of their experiences..."

    It's funny that my comments seem to be the most irksome to you, Canadian. What I was trying say, and maybe I wasn't clear, is that people who struggle through their gender issues and don't transition assert that theirs was a superior choice and should have been considered by ftm's before destroying ourselves. The ftm's on this site assert that their decision was correct for them, but generally seem not to be too invested in whether others transition. I personally only want people to do what makes them happy, because that makes me happy.

    Hands down, I'm going to trust the people who have go their own shit under control enough to not try and tell other people what to do.

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  25. WHY SO ANON- ANON?

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  26. "What gives you the right to define the boundaries of discussion on blogs that are not yours."

    I'm not defining the boundaries here, just pointing out that Dirt is insincere. I believe that even Dirt thinks she has the best interests of young women in mind. But she is talking about ftm's-
    not women. Even if she believes we don't exist, we certainly do and will continue to. Judging by the various angles of attacks she launches against ftm's and our partners, she is motivated by a much less dignified compulsion and hatred than she purports to be.
    My point is that I believe feminist
    issues are better served by ideas put forth in a less personally motivated forum. Flat out, I believe that Dirt undermines her own purpose by trying to make ftm's look bad as people. I think her agenda would be better served by focusing on gender nonconformity and uplifting butches.




    I do find it interesting that you become incensed by the idea that I am trying to control you by stating my point.

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  27. Oh, i just click anon because it's quicker, but here is my screen name and my e-mail, if you want to contact me.

    morelight.9@gmail.com

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  28. "It's funny that my comments seem to be the most irksome to you, Canadian. What I was trying say, and maybe I wasn't clear, is that people who struggle through their gender issues and don't transition assert that theirs was a superior choice and should have been considered by ftm's before destroying ourselves. The ftm's on this site assert that their decision was correct for them, but generally seem not to be too invested in whether others transition. I personally only want people to do what makes them happy, because that makes me happy."
    You clearly are not a follower of this blog. Several Transitioners have contended that they are superior to lesbians on serveral occasions.

    Yes, I understood what you said and my response is based on the obvious inaccuracies in your statement. Did you understand my response or were you more comfortable manufacturing a false arguement based on what you assumed as my "emotional state"

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  29. Anon @ 1:21

    "I'm not defining the boundaries here, just pointing out that Dirt is insincere. I believe that even Dirt thinks she has the best interests of young women in mind. But she is talking about ftm's-
    not women. Even if she believes we don't exist, we certainly do and will continue to. Judging by the various angles of attacks she launches against ftm's and our partners, she is motivated by a much less dignified compulsion and hatred than she purports to be.
    My point is that I believe feminist
    issues are better served by ideas put forth in a less personally motivated forum. Flat out, I believe that Dirt undermines her own purpose by trying to make ftm's look bad as people. I think her agenda would be better served by focusing on gender nonconformity and uplifting butches. "

    This blog is for Butch pride and raising Butch awareness. If you pay attention, you will conclude that many of us (butches) agree that one of the reasons why there are suddenly so many young FTM's is partly due to the disappearance of butches. That the would be butches, are now denying their femaleness, and becoming the more hip to this younger generation- trans. And as much as you deny it, this is indeed a feminist issue.
    I am not alone, in being one of many here that have seen not only the people that are on full display all over the internet, but also I have expereince with close friends, who have completely changed not only physically but personality wise after transition.
    I have seen friends of mine- good friends at one point, who started out as butch lesbians- not attracted to males in the least- take T, and transition to trans 'guys' looking for sex and relationships with men. This is a lesbian feminist issue, which is kinda what this blog is all about.

    so all in all- if you are not a woman, a butch, a feminist, etc, etc--- go elsewhere. if you are really happy and feel complete being FTM then why are you here?
    If you are a MAN and want to be treated as such- stay out of women's forums!
    oh that's right- in your being a man you get to come here and tell us how much better we could be doing things.... figures.

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  30. "I'm not defining the boundaries here, just pointing out that Dirt is insincere. I believe that even Dirt thinks she has the best interests of young women in mind. But she is talking about ftm's-
    not women."

    By stating that "If this was a truly useful political discussion, Dirt would be able to focus on issues that are important to women"
    and going on to list what are the "important" issues you are attempting to control and define the permissible bounderies of discussion.

    Dirt discusses transitionings impact on women which she feels is negative both on the women involved and women as a whole, hence making it a "womens" issue.

    There are many issues not about women per se like the economy, war,religion etc. Should we not discuss these broader issues in terms of how they impact women even if they are not about women specifically?

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  31. Trans period will only exist until the male medical machine realizes its ignorance regarding both how the disorder is created and currently treated. Like Freemans "ice pick" lobotomies, it will, in out lifetime become a thing of the past.

    Regarding what this blog is about, as the sole creator and blogger, it has been about from day one dismantling the misogyny that creates shame and self hatred in females within (primarily) lesbian borders.

    And several years later it continues with those goals as it is needed now more than ever.

    dirt

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  32. Anon@1:43pm.

    Exactly, if transition was so "successful" trans people wouldnt spend whole portions of their days on this blog or working to finds ways to shut it down. That alone belies every single "I'm trans and happy now" comment ever posted here or anywhere for that matter.

    dirt

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  33. Canadiann,

    Those who cannot see the forest for the trees, cant comprehend the magnitude of just how much transition is THE womens issue.

    dirt

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  34. @Dirt
    "Those who cannot see the forest for the trees, cant comprehend the magnitude of just how much transition is THE womens issue."

    It seems so. I find it difficult to understand why though. I find it difficult to believe how blinded by some are by the constant women hating propaganda that society puts out. I used to think that straight women where the ones that bought it to the greatest extent, but since posting and reading this blog, I see it is widespread amongst lesbians too.

    I think the last 25 to 30 years of backlash against feminism and women has really taken its toll and the whole trans issue has really illuminated that for me. I see how everything is contected now. The fashion industry, anorexia, anti feminist sentiment, transitioning the barriers women face in the workplace and everywhere really.

    I always knew that who can be "feminine" and who can be "masculine" has always been rigidly enforced. It seemed thoughh that in the '70s things opened up a bit and people had more room to be who they were. Now though, I see a clampdown" on that and if one does not conform you are punished socially and economically.

    I realize that this is off topic, but maybe another new topic is in order, talking about how the backlash is informing the transitioning trend and affecting all women whether they realize it or not.

    I am wondering if I am the only one noticing this or if others feel the same way. I had this discussion with a straight women friend and she feels that there is a backlash.

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  35. "I believe that even Dirt thinks she has the best interests of young women in mind. But she is talking about ftm's-
    not women. "

    The definition of woman is adult female. FTMs are adult females who wish to be treated as male in a world where males and females are treated very differently based on their genetic sex. FTMs are women.

    "Sex change" is a colloquialism. No one can actually change sex. FTMs are adult females. Thus, women.

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  36. It's extremely odd that they keep focusing all their wrath on radical feminists, especially since we're not the ones who have any power to discriminate against them.

    Love the Canadian's comments. Yeah, I think it's all tied together; twanz is part and parcel of the backlash. They're eunuchs, here to enforce gender compliance on us all.

    They believe firstly that a typical girl brain does exists and secondly that one's girl body must match one's "girl brain" lest their brainz implode. But reasonable people understand that your birth body can express whatever it wants without body modification. Somebody might "feel better" with bigger boobs than they had already, but it's not this strange debilitating omg NEEEEEEED that's gonna woo woo result in instant death if they don't get bigger boobs then they had already. It's only the transgendered who "are gonna DIE" if they aren't accepted by other people as a girl.

    Dirt honey, are you gonna omg DIE if I don't believe that you want to fuck women? Surely not. So what the fuck is up with twanz? Why do they need other people to reinforce their fantasy so badly? Why is their very existence under attack if other people use the "wrong" pronouns?

    Been thinking lately that it must be caused by sexual arousal at the thought of themselves as a woman (though for ftT it's probably internalized sexism). Anybody can express literally anything they want in the body they were born with, so the act of EXPRESSING traits or whatever can't be the reason. The only potential answer which is left which could possibly explain their EXTREME need for transitioning has to be a fetish over the body parts or orgasmic delight at the thought of themselves inside a girly skin.

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  37. FactCheckMe continously makes the point that many men can't enjoy themselves sexually unless they're causing pain to women.

    And twanz are orgasming all the time at the thought of themselves as a woman.

    They get off on hurting women; the thought of being the enuch in charge of the master's harem while pretending to be a concubine themselves. It's just one big orgasm for 'em.

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  38. In most of your posts you refer to transmen as "just lesbians". There are many transmen that are not attracted to woman. This doesnt mean they hate women they are just attracted to men. And just because you won't ever see them as men doesn't make them lesbians just because you see them as "butch". The way they feel about their body has little to do with how they feel about their attraction to others. You can call them "women" all you'd like, which may hurt many transmen, but you probably should keep the "lesbian" term away when speaking about transmen as a whole. Just because some is butch doesn't make them a lesbian. Just my 2 cents that'll probably get thrown out.

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  39. the majority start out as lesbians. i've seen many go to men only after being on T for awhile.

    if your ftm who likes men, then your basically straight. and most real men i know - the gay ones anyway, kinda think it's a big deal if their partners have functioning penis's or not.

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  40. Most transmen pre-transition think they are lesbians because many people in the world (mostly butch lesbians) believe because they are butch they must be lesbians. It's like telling a femme lesbian she isn't really a lesbian because she doesn't fit the "lesbian stereotype".

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  41. I've never been a lesbian. I've never thought I was a lesbian. I spent most of my adolescence thinking I ought to be attracted to women, feeling guilty and ashamed of my attraction to men for reasons I couldn't explain at the time but now understand as homophobia, but I was never able to convince myself I actually was attracted to women.

    As for what gay men think: (shrugs) I haven't had any trouble. The guys who have trouble are mostly the ones who dated and lived among women pre-transition and don't know how to or don't want to socialize with non-trans men.

    (This is where I actually agree with Dirt and various other commenters here on a trans issue: lesbians who transition and become attracted to men don't seem to integrate well into the gay community. They seem to hang around lesbian spaces, mostly date each other because they're still weirded out by real penises, and do obnoxious things like label themselves as "fags" in a non-ironic way. I have trouble believing a lot of them are actually men, much less gay men; I think there really are lesbians transitioning because of internalized misogyny and lesbophobia. It's just not all of us.)

    And of course trans guys (regardless of backround) who are fem, or overweight, or older, or black, or not conventionally-attractive have a harder road to walk. But that's true for all gay men...heck, it's true for straight women too.

    The lack of penis is an issue, obviously, but in my personal experience a 30-ish trans twink bottom (me) is more likely to hook up successfully than a 40-ish non-trans effeminate top (my clubbing buddy).

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  42. yes obviously it's easier for a 'bottom' with 2 fuckable holes! men, the real kind with penises, like to stick it into holes as I understand. lovely!

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